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Sroasa
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
27
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:43:00 -
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CCP Diagoras wrote: If you're not running, if you're sharing it with your friends/your own corporation, that's one thing and that's allowed. Mass mailing to everyone you see is quite another. The GM's will use their discretion when dealing with reported cases of spamming as you mention.
So what's the limit? Every second person you see? One person per system? Every character you see that has a stupid name?
And why are CSM candidates allowed to do something that the average eve player isn't? Aren't they supposed to be representative of the general eve population? |

Yiole Gionglao
25
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:46:00 -
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CCP Diagoras, are you telling us that it's OK with CCP that your customers get as much as 120 spam messages (40 per character, 3 chars per account) from the 40 candidates? SERIOUSLY? 
I'm gonna check the EULA, as i never imagined that I was supposed to be paying for being spammed... |
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CCP Diagoras
C C P C C P Alliance
778

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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:50:00 -
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Sroasa wrote:So what's the limit? Every second person you see? One person per system? Every character you see that has a stupid name?
And why are CSM candidates allowed to do something that the average eve player isn't? Aren't they supposed to be representative of the general eve population?
If you're contacting people just because you see them and you're not running, then you're just spamming. If you're contacting people you know/your corp & alliance, that's a different matter. Please don't try to overcomplicate it, my dear sir. 
CSM candidates are given this right in the same light those running for office in many real world systems are provided with advertising space. If you have an issue with it, please feel free to raise the matter as a CSM issue in the assembly hall to be looked at for the next electoral period. Such things certainly can't be changed during the middle of an election. CCP Diagoras - Like EVE stats? Follow me on twitter! |
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Ovidia Rhianon
Wolves and Knights The Irukandji
3
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:57:00 -
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You shouldn't be allowing a candidate to spam your customers, much less be encouraging the other candidates to do so as well. It's almost as if you are telling us that the people that run our dear internet spaceship simulation couldn't think of a more eloquent way of providing the candidates an place to advertise.
I'll be looking forward to Mintrolio sending a mail out though, at least that would be comical. |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
297
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:59:00 -
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How did he got the names? He sent the same spam both to me and my main, who is cancelled. Now CSM runners are allowed to steal user names?  EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
973
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:01:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:He spammed me and Vile Rat both, too. :cripes: Almost everyone from Brick got the spam too. I think he looks at final blows from killmails. That would explain why so many Bricks got mail.... Looking kinda desperate. I still endorse him though, shame on me CCP and even the CSM have a lot of hardworking men and women who are very intelligent, working on making New Eden a better place-it is CCP management that I fear the most. D3 for CSM7 Direct link-á http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=480 |

testobjekt
Goonswarm Federation Human Resources Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:02:00 -
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Soooooo
evemail spamming is legit?
Waiting for the first Scams to get massmailed to everyone. Its not that much of tech (evewho + webscript) this will be amusing. |

Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
229
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:07:00 -
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testobjekt wrote:Soooooo
evemail spamming is legit?
Waiting for the first Scams to get massmailed to everyone. Its not that much of tech (evewho + webscript) this will be amusing.
Well, from what I'm reading in this thread it's only legit if you're running the scam yourself. You can't mass mail on behalf of someone else running a scam. |

testobjekt
Goonswarm Federation Human Resources Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:10:00 -
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Another issue i have with this is the fact that it gives candidates who know how to bot and script an unfair advantage!
But hey, how fair was T20 giving the T2 BPOs, who are still in the game, to his bob friends? |

Sroasa
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:13:00 -
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CCP Diagoras wrote:Such things certainly can't be changed during the middle of an election.
But this is the first time somebody has ever tried this?
When Test Alliance Please Ignore TCU'd unclaimed systems in delve during an extended downtime the GMs removed them even though using extended downtime was an accepting and oft used tactic to online structures without resistance. That rule change was made after many years of precedent.
Surely GMs could change the rules after one such incident?
And wouldn't it be unfair for candidates in future elections to be denied what has been done in this election? The candidate in question has spread his name far and wide and will be recognised by many in the next election even if this practice is banned.
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testobjekt
Goonswarm Federation Human Resources Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:17:00 -
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Sroasa wrote:CCP Diagoras wrote:Such things certainly can't be changed during the middle of an election. But this is the first time somebody has ever tried this? When Test Alliance Please Ignore TCU'd unclaimed systems in delve during an extended downtime the GMs removed them even though using extended downtime was an accepting and oft used tactic to online structures without resistance. That rule change was made after many years of precedent. Surely GMs could change the rules after one such incident? And wouldn't it be unfair for candidates in future elections to be denied what has been done in this election? The candidate in question has spread his name far and wide and will be recognised by many in the next election even if this practice is banned.
It was only allowed after one of the CSM they like (and know, met at a bar whatever) did it. They did not want to remove him, thats why they start to make rules up as they go, this is basicly a Lex Trebor.
Its a big disadvantage for less techsavy CSM candidates and an slap in the face of everyplayer who got spammed. I recieved this EvEmail over 10 times! THIS IS SPAM!
Dont let this be the next t20 CCP. ACT NOW! |
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CCP Diagoras
C C P C C P Alliance
782

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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:18:00 -
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Sroasa wrote:CCP Diagoras wrote:Such things certainly can't be changed during the middle of an election. But this is the first time somebody has ever tried this? When Test Alliance Please Ignore TCU'd unclaimed systems in delve during an extended downtime the GMs removed them even though using extended downtime was an accepting and oft used tactic to online structures without resistance. That rule change was made after many years of precedent. Surely GMs could change the rules after one such incident? And wouldn't it be unfair for candidates in future elections to be denied what has been done in this election? The candidate in question has spread his name far and wide and will be recognised by many in the next election even if this practice is banned.
Changing the rules on the types of advertising that are allowed mid election would give an unfair advantage to those who have already advertised in that way. I can certainly see why people would be unhappy with large amounts of mails being received but it would be against the democratic process to disallow it now.
This wasn't the first time mass mailing of characters has been done in a CSM election. This has taken place as part of every election so far, at times as much as this (in the case of some of the early elections). I'm absolutely open to and would be happy to see a discussion on if this should be allowed for the next election. CCP Diagoras - Like EVE stats? Follow me on twitter! |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
297
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:21:00 -
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And how did he got the names from cancelled accounts? Magic? EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |

testobjekt
Goonswarm Federation Human Resources Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:23:00 -
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CCP Diagoras wrote:Sroasa wrote:CCP Diagoras wrote:Such things certainly can't be changed during the middle of an election. But this is the first time somebody has ever tried this? When Test Alliance Please Ignore TCU'd unclaimed systems in delve during an extended downtime the GMs removed them even though using extended downtime was an accepting and oft used tactic to online structures without resistance. That rule change was made after many years of precedent. Surely GMs could change the rules after one such incident? And wouldn't it be unfair for candidates in future elections to be denied what has been done in this election? The candidate in question has spread his name far and wide and will be recognised by many in the next election even if this practice is banned. Changing the rules on the types of advertising that are allowed mid election would give an unfair advantage to those who have already advertised in that way. I can certainly see why people would be unhappy with large amounts of mails being received but it would be against the democratic process to disallow it now. This wasn't the first time mass mailing of characters has been done in a CSM election. This has taken place as part of every election so far, at times as much as this (in the case of some of the early elections). I'm absolutely open to and would be happy to see a discussion on if this should be allowed for the next election.
Solution: Ban the violator of ToS (Trebor) Make crystall clear that its not allowed to send automated spams. Be no new t20 |
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CCP Diagoras
C C P C C P Alliance
782

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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:24:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:And how did he got the names from cancelled accounts? Magic?
I imagine there's various routes. If your character was ever killed, it's likely on a killboard somewhere. Did it ever post on a forum? If it did, it's going to show up on search engines and the like.
There's no magic involved. Nobody has been given any special access to character names. CCP Diagoras - Like EVE stats? Follow me on twitter! |
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Ender Black
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
81
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:25:00 -
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When did mass mailing become spam? Just show me on the doll where trebor touched you. ITT people are the dumb. The Pod Goo Podcast http://www.podgoo.com
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Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
826
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:28:00 -
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Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:He spammed me and Vile Rat both, too. :cripes: Almost everyone from Brick got the spam too. I think he looks at final blows from killmails. That would explain why so many Bricks got mail.... Looking kinda desperate. I still endorse him though, shame on me
m8 incursion rats don't generate killmails |

Yiole Gionglao
25
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:32:00 -
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Ender Black wrote:When did mass mailing become spam? Just show me on the doll where trebor touched you. ITT people are the dumb.
I didn't sent him my address and i didn't ask him to mail me, thus it's spam. |

Dervinus
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
38
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:49:00 -
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Confirming I recieved this on all 3 of my accounts and I have never seen this guy before today. Its not like I know him, interact with him, or am in any way related to him in game whatsoever. I think this should be instant grounds for termination from the CSM race, and possibly grounds for account banning due to EULA infractioins. If CCP let this stand, then they should also let EVERY other CSM candidate do this exact same thing. In fact they should be considered complicit in voter fraud if they do not take such action. THE DOVITANI FOR CSM |

Ovidia Rhianon
Wolves and Knights The Irukandji
4
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:54:00 -
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Ender Black wrote:When did mass mailing become spam? Just show me on the doll where trebor touched you. ITT people are the dumb.
Take a look at the definition of spam.
Quote:An electronic message is "spam" if (A) the recipient's personal identity and context are irrelevant because the message is equally applicable to many other potential recipients; AND (B) the recipient has not verifiably granted deliberate, explicit, and still-revocable permission for it to be sent.
Spam is an issue about consent, not content. Whether the Unsolicited Bulk Email ("UBE") message is an advert, a scam, ****, a begging letter or an offer of a free lunch, the content is irrelevant - if the message was sent unsolicited and in bulk then the message is spam. |
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Peter Powers
FinFleet Raiden.
73
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:01:00 -
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CCP Diagoras wrote:I have checked with Lead GM Grimmi regarding this
On the condition that the same users aren't being spammed repeatedly (receiving the same message several times on the same character), sending messages like this for the purpose of campaigning is considered legitimate. Any other candidates that wish to campaign by sending messages, as long as those messages themselves abide by the EULA/ToS, are free to do so.
so actually you are saying it is allowed to automate the usage of evegate by a script to send evemail?
or do you just look the other way on how someone can evemail a few thousand users, and claim you think its done manually? |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2566
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:18:00 -
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hello, can of worms
i love cans of worms
munch munch munch |

Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1912
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:19:00 -
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I have made a blog posting explaining what I did and why. I hope it helps clarify matters.
I am enjoying some of the speculation as to my methods, but really guys, you're overthinking it. All that is required is some planning and elbow grease. The Polls are open! Click here to vote for Trebor *-áMy Election Thread * Voter's Guide |

Peter Powers
FinFleet Raiden.
73
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:23:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I have made a blog posting explaining what I did and why. I hope it helps clarify matters. I am enjoying some of the speculation as to my methods, but really guys, you're overthinking it. All that is required is some planning and elbow grease.
yeah, right, you put in several thousand of names manually. |

Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
365
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:37:00 -
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Peter Powers wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I have made a blog posting explaining what I did and why. I hope it helps clarify matters. I am enjoying some of the speculation as to my methods, but really guys, you're overthinking it. All that is required is some planning and elbow grease. yeah, right, you put in several thousand of names manually.
I hate spam as much as the next guy (in fact I am most definitely NOT voting for anyone who resorts to spam to gain attention), but it is quite easy to copy+pasta. Especially if you have a bit of scripting knowledge which can assemble the names into a comma delimited format. Then all you have to do is copy+pasta by hand twice for each mass mail.
What MAY be against the rules though is somehow evading "block unknown characters" as some people are reporting. |

Kusanagi Kasuga
Ferocious Felines
17
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:41:00 -
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For anyone who's unaware - Trebor gets this list not from some underhanded nefarious trick - but rather from people who showed they're interested in EVE's politics. If you voted in one of the Crowdsourcing prioritisation threads, he'll evemail you. (He mentioned it in one of his earlier mails)
I'm sure that if you ask him, he will remove your name permanently from his mailing list. |

Peter Powers
FinFleet Raiden.
73
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:42:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:I hate spam as much as the next guy (in fact I am most definitely NOT voting for anyone who resorts to spam to gain attention), but it is quite easy to copy+pasta. Especially if you have a bit of scripting knowledge which can assemble the names into a comma delimited format. Then all you have to do is copy+pasta by hand twice for each mass mail.
i dont think it accepts a few thousand addresses in one copy+paste ;) |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:47:00 -
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Then how the feck did he get my name? I just troll the afk cloak haters and space barbie carebears, never undocked once. |

Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
365
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:48:00 -
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Peter Powers wrote:Taedrin wrote:I hate spam as much as the next guy (in fact I am most definitely NOT voting for anyone who resorts to spam to gain attention), but it is quite easy to copy+pasta. Especially if you have a bit of scripting knowledge which can assemble the names into a comma delimited format. Then all you have to do is copy+pasta by hand twice for each mass mail.
i dont think it accepts a few thousand addresses in one copy+paste ;)
He isn't mailing a few thousand people at once, though. Realize that EVE does not have a bcc mailing feature, so you can see exactly who he sends the mail to. Example, my alt was on this mailing list:
Quote: To: Aisha Kropotkin, Alexila Quant, Anakin Pubcrawler, Andrew DuLac, Aria Jenneth, Aris Tarchos, Beltze Sorgin, Casper Deeson, Charlotte The Harlot, Chesrie, Col Entreri, Cord Binchiette, darkos legion, Delkana Fox, Drachen Guard, Duke Neutem, Firekarm, Hazel Starr, herbal longtoke, Jagan Matri, Jonas Kyramir, Joseph Juneau, Khurt DeLandcourt, Kitsune Tsuki, Leitharos Rosselem, Maedeline Thiesant, Mallikanth, Mensche, Mona Dire, Ninja kReX kyle, Pampari, Pious XII, Primal Cause, Raceleader, Raisam, Rattus Norwegius, RazorKat, Riapsed Alvilla, Sesshru, Spawne32, Sragir, T'noa, Taedrin, Tyr Aeron, Utremi Fasolasi, Vestri Nex, Vinfandel, Yua Tamulin,
That's about 50 recipients in one copy+pasta. He *might* be using a bot to do this, but he very well may just have been a very dedicated CSM nominee who statyed up all night copy+pasting spam messages. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
467
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:58:00 -
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CCP Diagoras wrote:I have checked with Lead GM Grimmi regarding this
On the condition that the same users aren't being spammed repeatedly (receiving the same message several times on the same character), sending messages like this for the purpose of campaigning is considered legitimate. Any other candidates that wish to campaign by sending messages, as long as those messages themselves abide by the EULA/ToS, are free to do so.
Spam is automatically deleted and were I going to vote for anyone, spammers would lose my vote. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
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