Seriously - Is this allowed?

We have a cantidate - Trebor Daehdoow Spamming everyone in EVE.

It appears he is using a bot that scrapes player names from the forums.

Here is JUST ONE EXAMPLE.

http://i.imgur.com/A6q8m.png

Should the CSM / CSM cantidates be allowed to do this?

Who else has gotten this mail? If you have, you should petition it probably.

He spammed me and Vile Rat both, too. :cripes:

He spammed me and Vile Rat both, too. :cripes:

If you push for me, I will keep on pushing for you.

I can confirm that me and my alliance received the same spam. I would really like to CCP to act on this, as this is setting a really bad precedence. I thought that an important part of being allowed to run for CSM is that you adhere to the EULA. I am pretty sure the EULA prohibits sending spam.

Also:

I got one. I click the flashy button, and the flashy went away. Then I went about my business.
My ~space privacy~ has been violated.

Shuttup Powers

He spammed me and Vile Rat both, too. :cripes:

I too received this message, and I'm running for CSM. Poorly exercised, Trebor. I expected better from you.

If you push for me, I will keep on pushing for you. I will say that I love you, I will call your name. If you push for me those moans will be real, no drop of sweat will go unlicked.

Please disqualify this candidate. If this is not done, the next CSM elections will see spamming of biblical proportions. Trust me. I'm in TEST.

I have checked with Lead GM Grimmi regarding this

On the condition that the same users aren't being spammed repeatedly (receiving the same message several times on the same character), sending messages like this for the purpose of campaigning is considered legitimate. Any other candidates that wish to campaign by sending messages, as long as those messages themselves abide by the EULA/ToS, are free to do so.

I have checked with Lead GM Grimmi regarding this

On the condition that the same users aren't being spammed repeatedly (receiving the same message several times on the same character), sending messages like this for the purpose of campaigning is considered legitimate. Any other candidates that wish to campaign by sending messages, as long as those messages themselves abide by the EULA/ToS, are free to do so.

I have checked with Lead GM Grimmi regarding this

On the condition that the same users aren't being spammed repeatedly (receiving the same message several times on the same character), sending messages like this for the purpose of campaigning is considered legitimate. Any other candidates that wish to campaign by sending messages, as long as those messages themselves abide by the EULA/ToS, are free to do so.

I have checked with Lead GM Grimmi regarding this

On the condition that the same users aren't being spammed repeatedly (receiving the same message several times on the same character), sending messages like this for the purpose of campaigning is considered legitimate. Any other candidates that wish to campaign by sending messages, as long as those messages themselves abide by the EULA/ToS, are free to do so.

Trebor's going to have his message sent repeatedly from anonymous spam alts, until he's banned.

You are stupid. Theses messages will come from the spam alts, not from trebor, thus the spam alts are going to be banned, not Trebor, because he can't be banned for you spamming his message.

En-masse mailing of electoral messages may only be performed by the candidate themselves. For any queries of other types of messages I'd advise contacting the GM team via the petition system.

So now sending of messages from one character to another expressing support for a candidate requires GM permission?

If you're not running, if you're sharing it with your friends/your own corporation, that's one thing and that's allowed. Mass mailing to everyone you see is quite another. The GM's will use their discretion when dealing with reported cases of spamming as you mention.

So what's the limit? Every second person you see? One person per system? Every character you see that has a stupid name?

And why are CSM candidates allowed to do something that the average eve player isn't? Aren't they supposed to be representative of the general eve population?

He spammed me and Vile Rat both, too. :cripes:

Soooooo

evemail spamming is legit?

Waiting for the first Scams to get massmailed to everyone. Its not that much of tech (evewho + webscript) this will be amusing.

Such things certainly can't be changed during the middle of an election.

But this is the first time somebody has ever tried this?

When Test Alliance Please Ignore TCU'd unclaimed systems in delve during an extended downtime the GMs removed them even though using extended downtime was an accepting and oft used tactic to online structures without resistance. That rule change was made after many years of precedent.

Surely GMs could change the rules after one such incident?

And wouldn't it be unfair for candidates in future elections to be denied what has been done in this election? The candidate in question has spread his name far and wide and will be recognised by many in the next election even if this practice is banned.

But this is the first time somebody has ever tried this?

When Test Alliance Please Ignore TCU'd unclaimed systems in delve during an extended downtime the GMs removed them even though using extended downtime was an accepting and oft used tactic to online structures without resistance. That rule change was made after many years of precedent.

Surely GMs could change the rules after one such incident?

And wouldn't it be unfair for candidates in future elections to be denied what has been done in this election? The candidate in question has spread his name far and wide and will be recognised by many in the next election even if this practice is banned.

Changing the rules on the types of advertising that are allowed mid election would give an unfair advantage to those who have already advertised in that way. I can certainly see why people would be unhappy with large amounts of mails being received but it would be against the democratic process to disallow it now.

This wasn't the first time mass mailing of characters has been done in a CSM election. This has taken place as part of every election so far, at times as much as this (in the case of some of the early elections). I'm absolutely open to and would be happy to see a discussion on if this should be allowed for the next election.

And how did he got the names from cancelled accounts? Magic?

Almost everyone from Brick got the spam too. I think he looks at final blows from killmails. That would explain why so many Bricks got mail.... Looking kinda desperate. I still endorse him though, shame on me

When did mass mailing become spam? Just show me on the doll where trebor touched you. ITT people are the dumb.

When did mass mailing become spam? Just show me on the doll where trebor touched you. ITT people are the dumb.

An electronic message is "spam" if (A) the recipient's personal identity and context are irrelevant because the message is equally applicable to many other potential recipients; AND (B) the recipient has not verifiably granted deliberate, explicit, and still-revocable permission for it to be sent.

Spam is an issue about consent, not content. Whether the Unsolicited Bulk Email ("UBE") message is an advert, a scam, ****, a begging letter or an offer of a free lunch, the content is irrelevant - if the message was sent unsolicited and in bulk then the message is spam.

I have checked with Lead GM Grimmi regarding this

On the condition that the same users aren't being spammed repeatedly (receiving the same message several times on the same character), sending messages like this for the purpose of campaigning is considered legitimate. Any other candidates that wish to campaign by sending messages, as long as those messages themselves abide by the EULA/ToS, are free to do so.

I have made a blog posting explaining what I did and why. I hope it helps clarify matters.

I am enjoying some of the speculation as to my methods, but really guys, you're overthinking it. All that is required is some planning and elbow grease.

yeah, right, you put in several thousand of names manually.

I hate spam as much as the next guy (in fact I am most definitely NOT voting for anyone who resorts to spam to gain attention), but it is quite easy to copy+pasta. Especially if you have a bit of scripting knowledge which can assemble the names into a comma delimited format. Then all you have to do is copy+pasta by hand twice for each mass mail.

i dont think it accepts a few thousand addresses in one copy+paste ;)

To: Aisha Kropotkin, Alexila Quant, Anakin Pubcrawler, Andrew DuLac, Aria Jenneth, Aris Tarchos, Beltze Sorgin, Casper Deeson, Charlotte The Harlot, Chesrie, Col Entreri, Cord Binchiette, darkos legion, Delkana Fox, Drachen Guard, Duke Neutem, Firekarm, Hazel Starr, herbal longtoke, Jagan Matri, Jonas Kyramir, Joseph Juneau, Khurt DeLandcourt, Kitsune Tsuki, Leitharos Rosselem, Maedeline Thiesant, Mallikanth, Mensche, Mona Dire, Ninja kReX kyle, Pampari, Pious XII, Primal Cause, Raceleader, Raisam, Rattus Norwegius, RazorKat, Riapsed Alvilla, Sesshru, Spawne32, Sragir, T'noa, Taedrin, Tyr Aeron, Utremi Fasolasi, Vestri Nex, Vinfandel, Yua Tamulin,

I have checked with Lead GM Grimmi regarding this

On the condition that the same users aren't being spammed repeatedly (receiving the same message several times on the same character), sending messages like this for the purpose of campaigning is considered legitimate. Any other candidates that wish to campaign by sending messages, as long as those messages themselves abide by the EULA/ToS, are free to do so.

For anyone who's unaware - Trebor gets this list not from some underhanded nefarious trick - but rather from people who showed they're interested in EVE's politics.
If you voted in one of the Crowdsourcing prioritisation threads, he'll evemail you. (He mentioned it in one of his earlier mails)

I'm sure that if you ask him, he will remove your name permanently from his mailing list.

While he may harvest names from his crowdsourcing threads, this is most definitely NOT his only source of names as he hit several of my alts - who have never been on any kill mails and have only posted on the forums 3 times (by accident, back when the default character for posting on the forums would randomly change).

However he did not hit any of my alts who had not posted on the forums. This makes me think that he is scraping names off of the forums - either directly, or through eve-search. These other alts are on EVE-WHO, though, so it seems he is NOT scraping the names from there (which makes sense, EVE-WHO limits you to 10 requests every 30 seconds)

EVE-WHO limits you to 10 requests every 30 seconds)

The sad thing is that ... a pvp video for ... his CSM campaign,

PVP video? So what? How does that show the ability to communicate clearly and arbitrate with unbiased opinion?

Seriously - Is this allowed?

We have a cantidate - Trebor Daehdoow Spamming everyone in EVE.

It appears he is using a bot that scrapes player names from the forums.

T20.

En-masse mailing of electoral messages may only be performed by the candidate themselves. For any queries of other types of messages I'd advise contacting the GM team via the petition system.

I have made a blog posting explaining what I did and why. I hope it helps clarify matters.

Such things certainly can't be changed during the middle of an election.

Easy solution!
Receive spam
Change the link to vote for another candidate
Re-send mail!

While he may harvest names from his crowdsourcing threads, this is most definitely NOT his only source of names as he hit several of my alts - who have never been on any kill mails and have only posted on the forums 3 times (by accident, back when the default character for posting on the forums would randomly change).

However he did not hit any of my alts who had not posted on the forums. This makes me think that he is scraping names off of the forums - either directly, or through eve-search. These other alts are on EVE-WHO, though, so it seems he is NOT scraping the names from there (which makes sense, EVE-WHO limits you to 10 requests every 30 seconds)

And how did he got the names from cancelled accounts? Magic?

I got it too, all the names seemed to be people in my corp too.

Why does his name seem familiar?

I see only a few things here:

1) People who are ...

One thing I would like to clarify is that the mails to the Goons (and some other nullsec blocs) were accidental.

After I had compiled my list, I filtered it by estimated priority, and obviously people in Goonswarm aren't going to vote for me, so they and others ended up at the bottom of the list. But somehow they didn't get deleted.

If it's any consolation, this caused me to (a) waste several hours and (b) receive quite a large number of EVEmails from aggrieved goons. Some of them were quite eloquent and enlarged my vocabulary.

One thing I would like to clarify is that the mails to the Goons (and some other nullsec blocs) were accidental.

After I had compiled my list, I filtered it by estimated priority, and obviously people in Goonswarm aren't going to vote for me, so they and others ended up at the bottom of the list. But somehow they didn't get deleted.

If it's any consolation, this caused me to (a) waste several hours and (b) receive quite a large number of EVEmails from aggrieved goons. Some of them were quite eloquent and enlarged my vocabulary.

If you really want to get back at Trebor vote for Mittens.

I like you Trebor, I think you're one of the few guys I'd actually want on the CSM. I just don't like mass mails, or the possibility of this becoming an actual and widespread campaign tactic. I'm protesting against the method, not the person. Unfortunately, you happened to be the first one to do it.

If I were dumb enough to take you seriously, I wouldn't deserve your vote. :)

However, I do believe that Darius III is once again offering PLEX for votes.

best
Trebor

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Re: Please vote for Trebor Daehdoow in the CSM elections
From: Elijah Bry'an Baudoin
Sent: 2012.03.07 11:16
To: Trebor Daehdoow

How much ISK per vote we talking here?

so actually you are saying it is allowed to automate the usage of evegate by a script to send evemail

or do you just look the other way on how someone can evemail a few thousand users, and claim you think its done manually?

How many of you got Alliance or Corporation eve-mails telling you to vote for candidate X? And then came here to cry about getting one mail from a candidate not in your alliance or corp?

After I had compiled my list, I filtered it by estimated priority, and obviously people in Goonswarm aren't going to vote for me, so they and others ended up at the bottom of the list. But somehow they didn't get deleted.

Trebor, at least now I see you hold a special (and desperate) interest in clawing yourself to your current CSM post, at all cost. I'll find the reason.

There's no way I'd vote Trebor but just sending one mail for everyone isn't really spam. (in this case since it's CSM election advert)

I confirm there was a good bunch of bitches spamming response button for no good reason though. Most of them probably goons or goon alts. So go figure who's spamming.

Spam is the use of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately. While the most widely recognized form of spam is e-mail spam, the term is applied to similar abuses in other media: instant messaging spam, Usenet newsgroup spam, Web search engine spam, spam in blogs, wiki spam, online classified ads spam, mobile phone messaging spam, Internet forum spam, junk fax transmissions, social networking spam, television advertising and file sharing network spam. It is named for Spam, a luncheon meat, by way of a Monty Python sketch in which Spam is included in almost every dish.

well the post is exemplary for the kind of "news" your website stands for, made up stuff that fits the interest of the inventor. I have not forgotten your speech about "implied evidence" about russians botting, and then publishing an article on what bots are and how to keep bot save on your website.
Even if the article has been removed meanwhile, the internet does not forget, everyone who googles its title (not mentioning it here, since you have done enough damage to the game allready) is still able to find your guide.

If you ask me, you should never have been allowed as a candidate.

You attacking Trebor in this light looks alot more desperate - than what Trebor did - to me.

I'm perfectly fine with that -- and btw, direct outreach via evemail has been used in prior elections.

It is no secret that I think there are serious flaws in the CSM voting mechanic, and that discussions about changing it will be a priority for me if I get re-elected. If a reasonably fair election environment can be worked out that permits some sort of balanced direct outreach, then I'd have no problems with additional restrictions on evemailing by candidates.

BTW, Ender Black totally put the issue in the right perspective in this blog post.

When did mass mailing become spam? Just show me on the doll where trebor touched you. ITT people are the dumb.

Is there any way to report you for spamming, linking to third party sites telling one to log in with all ones accounts to vote for you etc. You look like a scammer, why would anyone want you as CSM when you try to steal our accounts.

You will never ever have my vote, you have prooven yourself to be worthless thrash politican that only care bout PR.

One thing I would like to clarify is that the mails to the Goons (and some other nullsec blocs) were accidental.

After I had compiled my list, I filtered it by estimated priority, and obviously people in Goonswarm aren't going to vote for me, so they and others ended up at the bottom of the list. But somehow they didn't get deleted.

If it's any consolation, this caused me to (a) waste several hours and (b) receive quite a large number of EVEmails from aggrieved goons. Some of them were quite eloquent and enlarged my vocabulary.

"The bloc candidates, of course, have their blocs to vote for them, and the other strong candidates either had mini-blocs or "functional" constituencies (such as Two step with wormholes and Hans with Factional Warfare). But I have always been a general candidate, attempting to represent the broader interests of the entire community, so I needed a way to reach my more diffuse constituency."

Peter you have always struck me as a angst filled resented person and I find a world of solace in the fact that my existence and Eve News24 existence is something that has always grind your gears.

I have mentioned more than once the correlation of the readership of Eve News24 as a byproduct of increasing the Eve Online population, which I don't find conflicting with CCP Games. Eve-Kill, which is an organization closer to you will benefit for this just as many other third party outfits.

I know your extreme lack of computer knowledge might give you a hard time differentiating a an article on how to setup a VPN with a botting article. A communication channel was open to CCP, they advised us not to publish it and we complied. We made a lot of noise, raised the awareness on the issue and we don't regret on never putting out the actual guides, given the CCP's work on bot control.

I was allowed to run and many Raiden. members have chivalrously expressed their support and send an "3 votes for you" evemail, what ever the result of the election; they have my never ending gratitude.

Again, you aversion means a world to me, I have created a long lasting impression on you, whether you feel good or bad about it.

I'll try to solve this Trebor puzzle. I do agree with you on the suspicions that an automated method might be used. But I think we'll never know.

Am also obliged to agree with your definition of spam. And at least to us we couldn't shake a sense of favoritism in the way the GM acted. I do understand the fact that the damage is done, a lack of an admonition is what troubles me.

i'm friends with the guys of eve-kill, to which you came for help when you got ddosed,
and thats the second thing that helped make my mind about you - you came there claiming the russians would ddos you,
after a while you said you traced the ddos to somewhere in the united stats, but you still stuck with 'the russians are responsible'

and the 'benefit' you claim for 'third party outfits' - i don't "benefit", and i can remember when you said you don't want adverts on evenews24 - today i see 6 when i got to the front page.

your statement about my extreme lack of computer knowledge is a direct lie. but that kinda fits the style that i wrote about before, doesn't it?

Your article clearly stated the botting intention in the title. and even the subtitles give it away as it contained links to tools to create bots - the vpn section was the smallest part.

Claiming Raiden. members "supporting" you is a lie - and you know it.
we internally discussed on what candidates we would want to vote for,
and not one did mention you as a serious option to vote for.

Supporting someone in an election is something you do public,
if you want to see who Raiden. supports you just have to read this forum,
there is a post from our Leadership that endorses Elise Randolph - who to my knowledge
is not anything close to you.

CONFRIMIGN APARENT IS ALLOW

I ALSO HAFIGN MANY CCCP ON MINE LIST. PREAPARE TO HAFIGN EVEMAILS.

ALSO ACORD TO EULA 1 PER DAY, PER PERSON IS RESONABEL. I START TO SEND TOMORRWO - IN MINE ONW LANAGAGE.

1 PER DAY EV DAY. YOU SAY IT IS OK.

ALSO THENK YOU.

KEEP UP GOOD SPAMMIGN!

looks like I am setting my CSPA charge to some nice large sum comming next CSM. And since I have a nice start of alphabet name, I hope I rake in some isk :-)

***NEWSFLASH***

*Goons and pets
*Goons and pets
*Goons and pets

I'm not fussed about a CSM member sending me an email. I mean, the Goons are rabidly spamming the threads of other candidates like Issler with their usual crap and it seems to be tolerated.

You are a terrible poster.

Comming from a Goon that's actually a compliment.

PVP video? So what? How does that show the ability to communicate clearly and arbitrate with unbiased opinion?

CCP respond
What a surprise, at a glance, Test Alliance x2 , Noir, Volition Cult, AAA, Goons x2, Pandemic x2, xxDeath, Razor, Darkside - another year to look forward to with null sec dominance of CSM.

Well, my blue list isn't as extensive as that from the big blocks in null sec.

And the few random crybabies from Finfleet are just that. Random crybabies.

I am gonna bet that next CSM elections we will see a lot more socalled spam mail from people running for a chair. And guess what. If you are so annoyed by it there is this trash mail function. You aren't required to read all mails you receive, just as you aren't required to read all adds that get dropped into your mailbox.

A simple ignore on Trebor would have fixed your annoyance, but a Goon who can't cry about something he didn't come up with in the first place is unheard of.

If you're contacting people just because you see them and you're not running, then you're just spamming. If you're contacting people you know/your corp & alliance, that's a different matter. Please don't try to overcomplicate it, my dear sir.

CSM candidates are given this right in the same light those running for office in many real world systems are provided with advertising space. If you have an issue with it, please feel free to raise the matter as a CSM issue in the assembly hall to be looked at for the next electoral period. Such things certainly can't be changed during the middle of an election.

Maybe if you post that goons are crying about this or that often enough, it will come true. Maybe you can manufacture that reality. But it's more likely that you'll still be the only one crying. And you do cry, and cry, and cry. You can't stop crying about goons. If you wish hard enough, those bad goons might know how you feel and cry too. Keep trying. Keep crying. You sad little thing.

Killer is just mad about alleged Goon recruitment scams.

GM permission? If you're running in the election yourself, you are free to contact as many people as you wish, as long as you aren't contacting the same people several times.

If you're not running, if you're sharing it with your friends/your own corporation, that's one thing and that's allowed. Mass mailing to everyone you see is quite another. The GM's will use their discretion when dealing with reported cases of spamming as you mention.