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Mysteriaxe	Posted - 2008.05.28 11:28:00 - [301] Edited by: Mysteriaxe on 28/05/2008 11:29:03 Wrong char
Mysteriax Scoopex	Posted - 2008.05.28 11:29:00 - [302] About ransom. The thing is if Ivy would pay the ransom even if Privateers would back down other grief corpses would try to do the same thing to Ivy. Even if Hooch says he would do it under the table eventually it would leak out to CAOD. Which means they will get wardecced over and over again. Simply paying the ransom is so option for Ivy. I am sure Priv will keep deccing Ivy, even when they are losing badly they cant afford to lose face to Ivy (again) So basicly they are going around into circles now. Ivy wont pay the ransom and Priv wont stop the wardec. So 1 party is trying to break the stalemate with use of an ingame mechanic which is there planned or not.
Zeimanov Kalzumaan Haruspex Industries	Posted - 2008.05.28 11:29:00 - [303] Originally by: Sani Ka and who invited all the empire carebears and advanced carebears in here? sriously gtfo k Is there some sort of forum access restriction for yarrrr types only? I would have thought commom interest is the thing that's pulling in the carebears - it is after all carebears that get wardecced by merciless pirates who feast on their tears and dance on their wrecks and shattered dreams!
Ernst Schafer The Nakano Seafood Concern	Posted - 2008.05.28 11:36:00 - [304] Originally by: Stevens Edited by: Stevens on 28/05/2008 02:02:18 Originally by: Leto Becken Everyone should remember that currently this is not a exploit. Consider it on the same level as empire suiciding, but until CCP says that it's a exploit, it's a perfectly valid tactic. I applaud the Uni for discovering this and using it to financially strike back at your aggressors, this is war and you pulled out all the weapons. Hate to tell you it has been declared an exploit. Try to keep up. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned Please wait for the official announcement by the GMs, the process has already started to review the matter, posting multiple threads about the subject and highlighting alleged inconsistencies between CCP employees and ISD volunteers detracts from the message you're attempting to make. Please link to something if you have information more recent. It is misinformation about what is and what is not an exploit that causes a lot of ****.
Raffael Ramirez Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.28 11:38:00 - [305] Originally by: Zeimanov Kalzumaan Originally by: Sani Ka and who invited all the empire carebears and advanced carebears in here? sriously gtfo k Is there some sort of forum access restriction for yarrrr types only? I would have thought commom interest is the thing that's pulling in the carebears - it is after all carebears that get wardecced by merciless pirates who feast on their tears and dance on their wrecks and shattered dreams! What the man said. I mean come on , getting actually rid of the one alliance who makes empire dangerous every now and then is the definition of the carebears dream. What most of the ppl in this game have yet to learn is that PvP actually is fun and when you try it outside of the blob you might even get good at it and enjoy it even more. And yes i know there are other aspects of this game .. bla bla ... And we all know that if you don¦t want to fight there are millions of ways to avoid it in empire. So why all the hard feelings and mud throwing ?
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.05.28 12:19:00 - [306] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 28/05/2008 12:23:16 Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 28/05/2008 12:21:13 Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 28/05/2008 12:20:27 Originally by: Kyle Frost As another poster pointed out û the stupidity and ignorance in this thread is reaching a staggering amount. ôThe Uni plays an integral part in the EVE Universe.ö Bull**** ! The game tutorial is so extensive it explains nearly every aspect of the game. There are numerous help channels where you can ask questions, not to mention there is tons of useful information on the forums û all you have to do is read. Also , for me at least , it was great fun to explore and discover different parts of EVE on my own. After you learn the basics you can apply for a 0.0 corp , a pirate corp , an industrial one or whatever it is you enjoy and want to be part of. There are many corps and alliances who accept new players. Why will anyone stick with E-Uni for more than 1 or 2 months is beyond me. It appears that now itÆs being run by a bunch of egocentrics who are busy acting superior and showing off in front of the young players. I donÆt think they have time to teach them anything except maybe how to cheat. Those last words are not mine btw û they come from a few E-Uni students ( and ex-students ). Oh and 1 more thing û being in the NPC starting corp is a safer then being in the Uni right now ;) P.S. IVY brought this on themselves. I donÆt know how else to explain it to youà would it be more clear if I draw it or something ? P.P.S. If IVY pays up we will stop attacking them û honest ! And of course you have a guarantee , I swear in the boobs of my 17 exotic dancers Alright, that is a decent response. As the 1st line stated, in my 1st post, I had really no clue of what is going on and I posted with some idealistic thoughts of what EVE Uni provides to the game. So since I have no idea what is truley going on I bow and leave COAD since me thinks leadership would slap me for posting in the 1st place. O_\ Slade
Exodus Alpha	Posted - 2008.05.28 18:25:00 - [307] Originally by: Kyle Frost Bull** ! The game tutorial is so extensive it explains nearly every aspect of the game. Even though this is sure to be removed, I just want to call you out on one thing since I've been following this monkey show. I would bet that its a pretty safe assumption that you haven't been anywhere near the tutorials in quite a while. As someone who has, you're full of ** yourself if you think the tutorials are in any way comprehensive to someone new to Eve. Certainly with prior experience the tuts may seem "extensive" to you if you bothered to look at them again before pulling this out of your ass, but that's only your own experience filling in the gaps. Now go on again with your silly ways, CAOD people. This is pretty damn entertaining.
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.28 18:59:00 - [308] Originally by: Exodus Alpha Originally by: Kyle Frost Bull** ! The game tutorial is so extensive it explains nearly every aspect of the game. Even though this is sure to be removed, I just want to call you out on one thing since I've been following this monkey show. I would bet that its a pretty safe assumption that you haven't been anywhere near the tutorials in quite a while. As someone who has, you're full of ** yourself if you think the tutorials are in any way comprehensive to someone new to Eve. Certainly with prior experience the tuts may seem "extensive" to you if you bothered to look at them again before pulling this out of your ass, but that's only your own experience filling in the gaps. Now go on again with your silly ways, CAOD people. This is pretty damn entertaining. Hey douche bag ... OBVIOUSLY CCP feels feels that the tutorials ARE comprehensive ENOUGH to someone new to eve ... OR ELSE they would have created something to fill the void by now to keep noobs safe while they adjust to the game ... OH WAIT they did ... ITS CALLED A NPC corp Thanks, PB Siggys and Banners by: Kalen Vox
Exodus Alpha	Posted - 2008.05.28 19:21:00 - [309] Edited by: Exodus Alpha on 28/05/2008 19:22:46 Edited by: Exodus Alpha on 28/05/2008 19:21:40 Originally by: The PitBoss Hey douche bag ... OBVIOUSLY CCP feels feels that the tutorials ARE comprehensive ENOUGH to someone new to eve ... OR ELSE they would have created something to fill the void by now to keep noobs safe while they adjust to the game ... OH WAIT they did ... ITS CALLED A NPC corp Just like they've fixed the obviously awesome UI of its faults that have been there for years, nyeh? **The PitBoss's logical troll attempt hits post quality for OVER NINE THOUSAND!! If you had put any though into that rather than just trying to refute what I was saying, you would have realized that things don't get fixed quickly without widespread community uproar or other pressing reasons. Noobs inherently aren't going to create community uproar because they wouldn't know how to if they wanted to, they just live with it. And I didn't claim noobs needed to be kept safe anywhere. If anything, they need to die more rather than being carebear coddled so much that they're shell-shocked when they actually start playing the game instead of fiddling around. THEN they have to run away to such and such NPC corp to avoid big, bad wardeccing alliance #913293. But all that is irrelevant to the thread anyway.
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.28 19:32:00 - [310] Originally by: Exodus Alpha Edited by: Exodus Alpha on 28/05/2008 19:22:46 Edited by: Exodus Alpha on 28/05/2008 19:21:40 What was your point again ? You lost me before AND the 2 times after you edited your response Thanks, PB Siggys and Banners by: Kalen Vox

Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.28 19:34:00 - [311] I think PrivateRears are just whining cuz they are being beaten in the Economic Warfare version of Eve and just want to play the Griefer Warfare version of Eve. Like the CareBear response to Goons Empire Jihad, they are completely playing within the rules. Should CCP decide to change the rules, then there is cause to end Uni's actions. But for now, its as legal as: - Suicide Ganking in Empire - Logoffski - Can Flipping - Gang Baiting - Complex Farming - Complex Blocking - Plutonium Trade Routes - Spying - Corp Theft Face it, PrivateRears: You've been beaten by Economic Power. Haha.
Exodus Alpha	Posted - 2008.05.28 19:47:00 - [312] Originally by: The PitBoss What was your point again ? You lost me before AND the 2 times after you edited your response I'm sorry, do you not speak English? That would certainly explain a lot, I suppose. Oh, and two minor edits don't equal completely post rewrites, though the way most people here seem to treat edits you may as well be talking about the person's mother. If you're really that editphobic, here's the original version for you so you can make up a witty non-reply again: Quote: Just like they've fixed the obviously awesome UI of its faults that have been after for years, nyeh? *The PitBoss's logical troll attempt hits post quality for OVER NINE THOUSAND!! If you had put any though into that rather than just trying to refute what I was saying, you would have realized that things don't get fixed quickly without widespread community uproar or other pressing reasons. Noobs inherently aren't going to create community uproar because they wouldn't know how to if they wanted to, they just live with it. And I didn't claim noobs needed to be kept safe anywhere. If anything, they need to die more rather than being carebear coddled so much that they're shell-shocked when they actually start playing the game instead of fiddling around and have to run away to such and such NPC corp to avoid big, bad wardeccing alliance #913293. But all that is irrelevant to the thread anyway. I underlined the edits for you, so you wouldn't get too confused finding them given its the exact same post.* I'm not going to dumb down my posts just so you can understand what I'm saying, though, so my initial point still stands. Eve Uni definitely is not "integral to Eve", but they do fill a gap left wide open between going through the tuts and actually getting into anything. Kyle Frost's claim that the in-game tutorials are "extensive" and "explain nearly every aspect of the game" is just pure bull****. Which is about par for CAOD.
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.05.28 19:47:00 - [313] Edited by: Nexa Necis on 28/05/2008 19:48:45 I love how people seem to think that Ivy League paying a ransom to Privateers would generate multiple war decs against them for ransom. You obviously have zero clue about Ivy League and how they fight. They can put together massive gangs and kick booty like nobody's business. You might get some cheap, crappy frig kills or hauler kills when the n00bs fail to heed the elders warnings, but you will have to earn your kills. It's not like you're decing some mission pharming corp flying CNR's with officer gear at 3 weeks old. Personally, I think it's a complete crap move on Ivy League's part. First they start harboring corps who whimp out of a completely fair fight when that corp gets war dec'd. Hi LOLS! Now they are pushing game mechanics to the limit. I am guessing at the moment that tactic is legal, but I will venture a guess that CCP never intended it to be utilized in such a fashion. People say it's funny Privateers are complaining about the war situation when in the past, they caused a huge uproar with their "dec every single corp in Eve" campaign. The difference is, Privateers paid the price for the wars and put themselves at a fairly decent risk I'd say considering they had a few hundred active wars at once. In this case Ivy League is incurring a small fraction of the cost per week and they are basically making themselves near immune to a war dec unless someone can pay whatever it cost's which, obviously is way above the normal realm of dec costs. Between the corpjumpers making alt corps to avoid war and Ivy League making 20+ alt corps to reduce the chance of them being dec'd to near 0%, I think CCP will definitely be looking into changing the mechanics. It's a weak move by a strong alliance. Ivy League has the funds and the manpower to maintain long wars I would think. So does Privateers. Instead of duking it out or arranging a settlement, they took the cheap, easy and near-exploitive way out. I don't view it as a creative solution. It will just make alliances that much harder to dec since it will cost the agressor 20x more than what the other side has to pay. I salute Privateers for keeping the war active, even though there is no profit in it for them, they are fighting based on principle alone. I wish I had enough money to fund Privateers to keep Ivy League permadec'd. It's going to be really fun to see what changes CCP makes in the future to curtail this, and it will be fun to see Privateers bring it back to Ivy League and make them pay. I said it back when Ivy League harbored our war targets who didn't even try to fight and I will say it again and agree with previous posters. Ivy League has ceased to be a neutral training alliance.
Boom ChickaBoom Friendly Pod Poppers	Posted - 2008.05.28 20:00:00 - [314] Hooch, use an alt make a dummy 1 man corp scam Ivy league to set up that perma war dec thingy then bring that alt corp into the Privateers. Then you will have a perma war dec with them and free pew pew forever.
The Hooch Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.28 20:15:00 - [315] I wish to thank all posters in this thread, good and bad, pro and con. I do think we have beaten the horse enough now. It is in the hands of CCP and they are dealing with it. That is enough for me. Hooch Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
Grarr Dexx Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.05.28 20:30:00 - [316] Originally by: Sodred So the analogy that 1st came to mind was that a professional boxer shows up to St. Mary Elementry School's 3rd period PE class to beat down some 5th graders, only to find out he has to pay an admission fee. Then cry about it. And yeah... it did come across like crying. No analogy here, just fallacies, let me put it right: You're forgetting the fact that these fifth-graders have already absorbed NCAA wrestling students (LOLS) in their posse to gang up on other fifth-graders (TRAPS), and now they were wardecced by a professional boxer (privateers).
The Jackhammer Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.28 20:33:00 - [317] Originally by: The Hooch I wish to thank all posters in this thread, good and bad, pro and con. I do think we have beaten the horse enough now. It is in the hands of CCP and they are dealing with it. That is enough for me. Hooch Boo ... I've reported you for being old and tired Thank-You, The Jackhammer Banners and Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.28 21:11:00 - [318] No.. I wanna beat the dead horse some more. Since its dead, we've moved beyond any Animal Cruelty issues and moved into something more heroic like Rocky punching slabs of meat to get into better shape. Plus, I wanna taste some more sweet, sweet Privatears Tears.
The Hooch Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.28 21:18:00 - [319] Plus, I wanna taste some more sweet, sweet Privatears Tears. Yawn, now you are just boring... Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
Kyle Frost Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.28 22:32:00 - [320] Originally by: Exodus Alpha Even though this is sure to be removed, I just want to call you out on one thing since I've been following this monkey show. I would bet that its a pretty safe assumption that you haven't been anywhere near the tutorials in quite a while. As someone who has, you're full of **** yourself if you think the tutorials are in any way comprehensive to someone new to Eve. Certainly with prior experience the tuts may seem "extensive" to you if you bothered to look at them again before pulling this out of your ass, but that's only your own experience filling in the gaps. Now go on again with your silly ways, CAOD people. This is pretty damn entertaining. Actually, I have seen the tutorials û both the old and the present ones. And I believe that a normal person will have no trouble understanding them as long as he reads carefully and follows the instructions. Obviously , the tutorial canÆt cover absolutely EVERYTHING, but as I mentioned there are also various help channels and tons of helpful info posted on the forums. If you have problems with the tutorials I feel sorry for you. But you see, when I wrote my previous post I assumed that the new players interested in EvE would be at least of average intelligence . I guess you donÆt fall in that category . ------ Let the gun do the talking...

benzy Aetas Inculta	Posted - 2008.05.28 22:49:00 - [321] Originally by: The Hooch BTW, stop being a ****, Ivy I respect, you on the other hand are convincing me you're about 15 with a squeaky voice, head of the AV club at school and wearing a "Kirk kicks Picards ass" T-Shirt. 1. There's no AV club since that video of the sheep incident got you-tubed. 2. Any self respecting 15 year old knows that 7 of 9 (did I get that right?) kicks Picards ass. Anyone over 28 who was at one time head of the AV club knows Spock>everyone, including Vader in cross universe scenarios. 3. Any 15 year old will be convinced Kirk is the guy on Boston Legal instead, anyway, and thus, out of the running. I hope you fight better than you flame. Because... wow. benzy
Kyle Frost Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.28 23:02:00 - [322] Benzy, perhaps itÆs time for your medication. I donÆt think that HoochÆs purpose here is to flame. He just got fed up with your stupidity. I mean û you are not funny , you are not original , you areà pathetic. Your only reasons to post in this thread is to boost your ego and flame people you dislike. I can understand why you do it, seeing that this is the only way you can show us how much you hate us, without being blown up. But remember û if mommy finds out that you have been screwing around with the PC instead of doing your homework, you are gonna be in BBBIIIGGG trouble :) ------ Let the gun do the talking...
ManufacturerAYE	Posted - 2008.05.28 23:39:00 - [323] Originally by: benzy Originally by: The Hooch BTW, stop being a ****, Ivy I respect, you on the other hand are convincing me you're about 15 with a squeaky voice, head of the AV club at school and wearing a "Kirk kicks Picards ass" T-Shirt. 1. There's no AV club since that video of the sheep incident got you-tubed. 2. Any self respecting 15 year old knows that 7 of 9 (did I get that right?) kicks Picards ass. Anyone over 28 who was at one time head of the AV club knows Spock>everyone, including Vader in cross universe scenarios. 3. Any 15 year old will be convinced Kirk is the guy on Boston Legal instead, anyway, and thus, out of the running. I hope you fight better than you flame. Because... wow. benzy Nobody. NOBODY. is better than Picard. PERIOD.
Zeutheir Caenn Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2008.05.29 07:22:00 - [324] Aside from concurring with the pro-Picard sentiments which preceded this reply, I just wanted to make a short post from a new player's perspective. I got into EVE about 2 and a half or 3 weeks ago. I've played loads of MMOs in my life (started with the browser-based Planetarion at its launch, wrote an alliance-building advice column for their original portal as J-Kast if you remember at all, oh em gee old). But anyway, I was drawn to EVE looking for something new and decided to try it out partly because of the free trial and also after reading about Eve Uni. A previous poster talked about the possible game-wide effects of the war as far as inhibitting new players from coming into the game. I'm still around, but I probably wouldn't be if I hadn't been playing similar games for years. I can see how anyone coming into EVE as their first MMO could be overwhelmed. And if they were looking forward to EU, they'll be out of luck. I obviously don't have any server subscription numbers, but I think it's easy for all sides - PRIVS and EU - to forget about the new player demographic which is being affected, and I hope that is kept in mind. The uni may be offering some new public lectures or trying to appear to do normal things, but the kind of new player help which existed pre-war obviously isn't there, and I hear people talking every day about leaving EU or losing faith, giving up, and moving on to something else. I recently went through the tutorials and can honestly tell you that I didn't learn 1/6 enough to actually get involved in "real" EVE gameplay. Regardless of any causes of this wardec, reasons for it being prolonged, and the inability of it to end, I sincerely hope that new player aid can take some new form soon. Anyway, I just wanted to offer a 3-week-old perspective since I imagine many recently new players either leave before their trial is over or simply don't read the forums and, thus, don't have their voices heard. in b4 delicious carebear tears
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.29 07:34:00 - [325] I keep seing idiots posting: "I love sweet privateer tears" not realising the fact that if GoonSwarm had done this, they would be yelling 'sploits at their monitor, banging their hands on the keyboard and throw their rig out of the window in nerd rage. we are recruiting!
Exodus Alpha	Posted - 2008.05.29 08:27:00 - [326] Originally by: Inertial I keep seing idiots posting: "I love sweet privateer tears" not realising the fact that if GoonSwarm had done this, they would be yelling 'sploits at their monitor, banging their hands on the keyboard and throw their rig out of the window in nerd rage. I seriously doubt people would care about GoonSwarm if GoonSwarm was in Ivy's position rather than a major 0.0 alliance. In before more failed logic.
Kyrie Elaison GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.05.29 08:28:00 - [327] Originally by: Exodus Alpha Originally by: Inertial I keep seing idiots posting: "I love sweet privateer tears" not realising the fact that if GoonSwarm had done this, they would be yelling 'sploits at their monitor, banging their hands on the keyboard and throw their rig out of the window in nerd rage. I seriously doubt people would care about GoonSwarm if GoonSwarm was in Ivy's position rather than a major 0.0 alliance. In before more failed logic. Nice ticker.
Kelduum Revaan Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.05.29 09:41:00 - [328] Originally by: The Hooch I wish to thank all posters in this thread, good and bad, pro and con. I do think we have beaten the horse enough now. It is in the hands of CCP and they are dealing with it. That is enough for me. I have to say I am personally in agreement with Hooch regarding this. I think it is safe to say that everything relevant has been covered now, and this thread is rapidly turning into repeats of posts from a few pages back. As Hooch said, its now up to CCP. I am sure there will be a forum post or news article once the result has been decided. -- Kelduum Revaan Still not the Diplomatic Director, and the only person behind this. Eve University <IVY>
Exodus Alpha	Posted - 2008.05.29 09:51:00 - [329] Originally by: Kyrie Elaison Originally by: Exodus Alpha Originally by: Inertial I keep seing idiots posting: "I love sweet privateer tears" not realising the fact that if GoonSwarm had done this, they would be yelling 'sploits at their monitor, banging their hands on the keyboard and throw their rig out of the window in nerd rage. I seriously doubt people would care about GoonSwarm if GoonSwarm was in Ivy's position rather than a major 0.0 alliance. In before more failed logic. Nice ticker. I know! Its great, right?
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:19:00 - [330] Originally by: Zeutheir Caenn Aside from concurring with the pro-Picard sentiments which preceded this reply, I just wanted to make a short post from a new player's perspective. I got into EVE about 2 and a half or 3 weeks ago. I've played loads of MMOs in my life (started with the browser-based Planetarion at its launch, wrote an alliance-building advice column for their original portal as J-Kast if you remember at all, oh em gee old). But anyway, I was drawn to EVE looking for something new and decided to try it out partly because of the free trial and also after reading about Eve Uni. A previous poster talked about the possible game-wide effects of the war as far as inhibitting new players from coming into the game. I'm still around, but I probably wouldn't be if I hadn't been playing similar games for years. I can see how anyone coming into EVE as their first MMO could be overwhelmed. And if they were looking forward to EU, they'll be out of luck. I obviously don't have any server subscription numbers, but I think it's easy for all sides - PRIVS and EU - to forget about the new player demographic which is being affected, and I hope that is kept in mind. The uni may be offering some new public lectures or trying to appear to do normal things, but the kind of new player help which existed pre-war obviously isn't there, and I hear people talking every day about leaving EU or losing faith, giving up, and moving on to something else. I recently went through the tutorials and can honestly tell you that I didn't learn 1/6 enough to actually get involved in "real" EVE gameplay. Regardless of any causes of this wardec, reasons for it being prolonged, and the inability of it to end, I sincerely hope that new player aid can take some new form soon. Anyway, I just wanted to offer a 3-week-old perspective since I imagine many recently new players either leave before their trial is over or simply don't read the forums and, thus, don't have their voices heard. in b4 delicious carebear tears BUT yet somehow you survived AND after your 2-3 weeks in-game you've made it to a nice little corp: Hadean Drive Yards ... AND to a nice little Alliance: Archean Cooperative ... Your point? ... Ah yes .. your point is that it is a big universe out there and THERE IS other options out there for the NOOB players besides Eve University Thanks, PB Siggys and Banners by: Kalen Vox



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