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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: The Hooch on 25/05/2008 02:02:58 I have played this game for a very long time, I thought I have seen it all... until today.
This is so un-believable I don't know if anyone will even think it is true.
Ivy League has created 20, one-man corps and had them all dec themselves.
10.5 BILLION Hell, for 2 billion under the table we would have called it off and told nobody about it.
Since we now know you have the isk to waste, the price is now 4 billion for peace.
To quote a member, you may now consider us to be a case of Herpes. We will now never go away, there will be un-expected flare-ups, painful with a great deal of discharge. Your only cure will be 4 billion isk or your final destruction.
Peace, Love, and all that rubbish
Hooch
ps
and people say I am crazy?
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
VoYvod
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:00:00 -
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1st, the war decs cost 10.5 bill? sounds stupid to do this
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:06:00 -
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saved for future comment
Thanks,
PB
Siggys and Banners by: Kalen Vox |
Dez Affinity
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:06:00 -
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Ubercado
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:18:00 -
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NOTICE Combat - Ivy League perfectly strikes Privateer's Wallet wrecking for 10.5 Billion ISK
I love this corp.
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RaV1N
The Older Gamers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ubercado NOTICE Combat - Ivy League perfectly strikes Privateer's Wallet wrecking for 10.5 Billion ISK
I love this corp.
Um wasn't your wallet?
Blue on blue, blue on blue......knock it off, knock it off, knock it off!
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Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:22:00 -
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NOTICE Combat - Ivy League perfectly strikes Eve-University's neutrality wrecking for 4.000.000.000 ISK.
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Crimsonjade
B.D.S.M. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ubercado NOTICE Combat - Ivy League perfectly strikes Privateer's Wallet wrecking for 10.5 Billion ISK
I love this corp.
your alliance paid approx 10.5 so we would have to pay 1 bil to continue. wonder how you guys will be able to pay for week 4-5 cause i got our side covered
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Shinori
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:28:00 -
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Privateers, congratulations if this is true.
You've driven them mad.
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kublai
Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:31:00 -
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I knew ivy league were using an alt corp or two to drive the price up but.....my my
I speak on behalf of my corporation Even when smacking |
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Frayen
Band of the Damned Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:34:00 -
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10.5 bil?
So for 5 and a half times more than it would cost for us to be done with the war, you go and spend a war budget that makes small 0.0 alliances choke.
I wonder how many mercs you could have actually hired, but for your lack of brains you went and did the most moronic thing available. And now you finally show what you are training new members of Eve.
Eve Uni: Idiots Guide to Bleeding Isk
Originally by: Zealota FrayenÆs insults infuriate me, players should not be allowed to get away with this grotesque language. I am calmed by the fact you have an impending ban.
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Profhet
Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:36:00 -
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If this is true and I am a GM this, I am thinking exploit.
nerf Eve University tbh. ____________________________
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Frayen
Band of the Damned Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:39:00 -
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wow.....im still stunned.
so seriously.....hook a brotha up and spread the isk wealth.
And can we get the limited API keys pls to make sure no illegal isk activites were used? Just saying is all.......
Originally by: Zealota FrayenÆs insults infuriate me, players should not be allowed to get away with this grotesque language. I am calmed by the fact you have an impending ban.
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The Jackhammer
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:39:00 -
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I think i just crapped myself laughing
Thank-You,
The Jackhammer
Banners and Signatures by: Kalen Vox
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Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 25/05/2008 02:44:40 Haha getting banned in an Eve University public channel for spouting propaganda about them is so much fun. Kelduum Revaan says he can keep the dec up for six more years, up for the challenge Privvies?
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[02:42:45] Kalamaar > so how does the math work for all these decs? [02:43:02] Kelduum Revaan > 2 million isk per war [02:43:15] Kelduum Revaan > corp-to-corp [02:43:22] Exodus Alpha > 2mil ISK seems pretty small [02:43:34] Kalamaar > ahhh.. and you did 20 simultaneous? [02:43:45] Kalamaar > so basically 40 million a week? [02:43:48] Kelduum Revaan > basically, Devs say its supposed to work like that, so.... *shrug* [02:44:02] Kelduum Revaan > its pretty complex, and i cant get into it [02:44:09] Kelduum Revaan > its nearly 4am here, too
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ubercado NOTICE Combat - Ivy League perfectly strikes Privateer's Wallet wrecking for 10.5 Billion ISK
I love this corp.
Umm, you might want to re-think this mate. Oh hell, let me explain it to you. We have not spent 10.5 billion, you have. If we want to we can spend 1 billion isk to re-new the dec.
Ok, so you hired Dead Parrots, that I can respect (really) But, with that much isk you could have hired every thug alliance in the game almost to come after us or at least a another 2 or 3 merc corps.
To spend that kind of isk on this kind of tactic is just plain stupid. Whoever hatched this idea did you no favors at all.
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 25/05/2008 02:44:40 Haha getting banned in an Eve University public channel for spouting propaganda about them is so much fun. Kelduum Revaan says he can keep the dec up for six more years, up for the challenge Privvies?
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REVEALED:
[02:42:45] Kalamaar > so how does the math work for all these decs? [02:43:02] Kelduum Revaan > 2 million isk per war [02:43:15] Kelduum Revaan > corp-to-corp [02:43:22] Exodus Alpha > 2mil ISK seems pretty small [02:43:34] Kalamaar > ahhh.. and you did 20 simultaneous? [02:43:45] Kalamaar > so basically 40 million a week? [02:43:48] Kelduum Revaan > basically, Devs say its supposed to work like that, so.... *shrug* [02:44:02] Kelduum Revaan > its pretty complex, and i cant get into it [02:44:09] Kelduum Revaan > its nearly 4am here, too
Heh, well we do this for a living and that ain't what it costs...
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Kelduum Revaan
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:56:00 -
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Meh, I was going to post in the morning, as its nearly 4am here, but still, this is amusing me...
/me hands The Hooch a calculator, as he clearly cant find the one in the client.
You may also want to check how your war fees are calculated. It may give you an idea why it didnt cost 10.5 billion ISK in war fees, and why it doesnt currently cost you 250 million for each of your wars.
Hooch, you may want to stop trying to 'install' your own implants with a hammer...
Oh, and hello again, Grarr. How is the recruiting going?
-- Kelduum Revaan |
Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:57:00 -
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It's going good, good, how about with your corporation?
Oh wait.
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jarack
Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:57:00 -
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Quite clever on IVY League's part imo, I would imagine if they made it mutual it could go on forever?
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Meh, I was going to post in the morning, as its nearly 4am here, but still, this is amusing me...
/me hands The Hooch a calculator, as he clearly cant find the one in the client.
You may also want to check how your war fees are calculated. It may give you an idea why it didnt cost 10.5 billion ISK in war fees, and why it doesnt currently cost you 250 million for each of your wars.
Hooch, you may want to stop trying to 'install' your own implants with a hammer...
Oh, and hello again, Grarr. How is the recruiting going?
-- Kelduum Revaan
My recruiting is just fine, hows yours? I am up about 150, and last time I checked you were down around 400 give or take.
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:03:00 -
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Yes it's very nice, a newbie-teaching corporation having to shut down recruitment!
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:06:00 -
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ASCN did something similar back when wardec fee was based on the number of members in your corp. Stuff like this is hardly earth shattering. _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/ |
Succubu5
Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 25/05/2008 02:44:40 Haha getting banned in an Eve University public channel for spouting propaganda about them is so much fun. Kelduum Revaan says he can keep the dec up for six more years, up for the challenge Privvies?
EDIT:
REVEALED:
[02:42:45] Kalamaar > so how does the math work for all these decs? [02:43:02] Kelduum Revaan > 2 million isk per war [02:43:15] Kelduum Revaan > corp-to-corp [02:43:22] Exodus Alpha > 2mil ISK seems pretty small [02:43:34] Kalamaar > ahhh.. and you did 20 simultaneous? [02:43:45] Kalamaar > so basically 40 million a week? [02:43:48] Kelduum Revaan > basically, Devs say its supposed to work like that, so.... *shrug* [02:44:02] Kelduum Revaan > its pretty complex, and i cant get into it [02:44:09] Kelduum Revaan > its nearly 4am here, too
lol @ ivy noobs the 1s alliance wardec costs 50 mil, so 1st 50. sum =50 2nd 100. sum = 50+100= 150 3rd 150. sum = 150+150=300 4th 200. sum = 300+200=500 .... get a calculator .... 20th 1000. sum = 10.500 bil
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Tormenta Noche
Tormenta Noche Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: The Hooch 10.5 BILLION ...and people say I am crazy?
Not really crazy, Hooch, just really bad at the maths. Try the C/E clear on the lower left corner a couple of times to make sure your bar bill for tonight has been removed from the calculator's memory.
Tormenta Noche
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Crimsonjade
B.D.S.M. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Meh, I was going to post in the morning, as its nearly 4am here, but still, this is amusing me...
/me hands The Hooch a calculator, as he clearly cant find the one in the client.
You may also want to check how your war fees are calculated. It may give you an idea why it didnt cost 10.5 billion ISK in war fees, and why it doesnt currently cost you 250 million for each of your wars.
Hooch, you may want to stop trying to 'install' your own implants with a hammer...
Oh, and hello again, Grarr. How is the recruiting going?
-- Kelduum Revaan
to war dec you now cost 1 bil and change. for a corp or an alliance . major fail tactic but tbh typical
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx Yes it's very nice, a newbie-teaching corporation having to shut down recruitment!
Not for long it seems. It would be stupid of Privateers to pay 1b for a war they're LOSING(Ivy Killboard). I dunno how they've done this but gratz to them for this trick. Im sure they havent paid 10.5b regardless of what Mr Hoochie says cos that just sounds absurd.
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BC Hastings
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Succubu5
Originally by: Grarr Dexx Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 25/05/2008 02:44:40 Haha getting banned in an Eve University public channel for spouting propaganda about them is so much fun. Kelduum Revaan says he can keep the dec up for six more years, up for the challenge Privvies?
EDIT:
REVEALED:
[02:42:45] Kalamaar > so how does the math work for all these decs? [02:43:02] Kelduum Revaan > 2 million isk per war [02:43:15] Kelduum Revaan > corp-to-corp [02:43:22] Exodus Alpha > 2mil ISK seems pretty small [02:43:34] Kalamaar > ahhh.. and you did 20 simultaneous? [02:43:45] Kalamaar > so basically 40 million a week? [02:43:48] Kelduum Revaan > basically, Devs say its supposed to work like that, so.... *shrug* [02:44:02] Kelduum Revaan > its pretty complex, and i cant get into it [02:44:09] Kelduum Revaan > its nearly 4am here, too
lol @ ivy noobs the 1s alliance wardec costs 50 mil, so 1st 50. sum =50 2nd 100. sum = 50+100= 150 3rd 150. sum = 150+150=300 4th 200. sum = 300+200=500 .... get a calculator .... 20th 1000. sum = 10.500 bil
Finally someone familiar with Eve math. This is very good. Noob Teaching corp teaching noobs to cheat. This is not good at all.
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isAzmodeus
The Seven
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: BC Hastings
Finally someone familiar with Eve math. This is very good. Noob Teaching corp teaching noobs to cheat. This is not good at all.
I don't know what game you're playing, but aren't alts and pushing mechanics to the limit a part of eve? Sounds like they're getting a quality education.
You're just upset that you made the trick public. Now all your war targets can do it....
--------------------------------- The Seven- Blowing up someone near you. |
BC Hastings
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:42:00 -
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I wish I knew what trick it is you guys are referring to because I pay 50 mil for the first dec. 100 mil for the second, 150 for the third and so on. I don't know anything of this new math that you may be referring to.
If I dec an alliance with 2 wars already on them then my war costs me 150 million. If there is some kind of new math I need to know of please let me see it. This counts also for corps deccing an alliance just in case you think for some reason that makes a difference. Once the alliance is thrown into the mix it is all in 50 million increments.
But like I said if there is a new math that I should be using please let me know cause I really could get more decs is what you are saying. I love that idea. Show me the way.
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:44:00 -
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OH MY GAWD!!!
Ive just realised how they did it. Google helped. Its just barely listed on this site, I wonder how they figured it out.
I wont give it away, because its clear that the uni wants to keep it quiet. But by my calculation for 18 wars it should cost them 342M per week. Wow!
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Sally Bestonge
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:52:00 -
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are not mutual wars free?
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Crimsonjade
B.D.S.M. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:55:00 -
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Edited by: Crimsonjade on 25/05/2008 03:54:51
Originally by: Sally Bestonge are not mutual wars free?
correct. seriously a sad day when people do this **** to avoid pvp in a pvp game
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Sally Bestonge
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Crimsonjade Edited by: Crimsonjade on 25/05/2008 03:54:51
Originally by: Sally Bestonge are not mutual wars free?
correct. seriously a sad day when people do this **** to avoid pvp in a pvp game
i'm sure if you reported this to devs the would and should decided the mutal war aren't counted to the number of "active" wars but they might change the limit in due corse to go along with it.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:02:00 -
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I said on day one of CCPs amateur, idiotic and horrific bodge on wardecs that CCP was putting EVEN MORE power into the hands of the rich.
I prophesised that people would wardec them selves with alt corps, to push the expense so high that no other corp would be able to do it
Nobody believed me.
The one thing I take heart from in this debacle, is that my fans have been vindicated in their belief in me.
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:04:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/05/2008 04:04:02
Originally by: Sally Bestonge
Originally by: Crimsonjade Edited by: Crimsonjade on 25/05/2008 03:54:51
Originally by: Sally Bestonge are not mutual wars free?
correct. seriously a sad day when people do this **** to avoid pvp in a pvp game
i'm sure if you reported this to devs the would and should decided the mutal war aren't counted to the number of "active" wars but they might change the limit in due corse to go along with it.
They are not mutual - look it up - Unless they have foudn a workaround, they really are spending 5 bill isk a week to immunise themselves.
SKUNK
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Kyguard
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:04:00 -
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Hoochkins, give insrg another round -
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BC Hastings
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: BC Hastings on 25/05/2008 04:05:34 Wow I just figured out what you guys did. That is not going to look good on you guys. I wouldn't be attached to IVY right now . It's not going to be pretty.
Insurj wait your turn we will be getting back to you...good fun.
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:08:00 -
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Edited by: X3k5 on 25/05/2008 04:07:58
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
[02:43:48] Kelduum Revaan > basically, Devs say its supposed to work like that, so....
Dont think so Mr Hastings. Kelduum seems like a person who would check it out fully before doing something.
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Tormenta Noche
Tormenta Noche Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Crimsonjade seriously a sad day when people do this *** to avoid pvp in a pvp game
More Priva-tears!
And I thought the carebear flavor was the sweetest... Go figure.
Tormenta Noche "It's all just a bad dream..." |
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BC Hastings
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: BC Hastings on 25/05/2008 04:13:13
Originally by: X3k5 Edited by: X3k5 on 25/05/2008 04:07:58
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
[02:43:48] Kelduum Revaan > basically, Devs say its supposed to work like that, so....
Dont think so Mr Hastings. Kelduum seems like a person who would check it out fully before doing something.
We'll see they reacted pretty quickly to the filing so this is my last words on the subject till the ruling.
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Profhet
Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:30:00 -
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I think the other Devs might want to have a word about this shenanigans. ____________________________
SIG GOES HERE |
Kurt Adams
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:42:00 -
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The response to the petition was so fast that I get the impression that the Devs knew it was coming. They obviously can not let this stand or everyone will use this tactic to make their corp wardec-proof.
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Orree
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 25/05/2008 03:02:47 I have played this game for a very long time, I thought I have seen it all... until today.
This is so un-believable I don't know if anyone will even think it is true.
Ivy League has created 20, one-man corps and had them all dec themselves.
BILLIONS Hell, for 2 billion under the table we would have called it off and told nobody about it.
Since we now know you have the isk to waste, the price is now 4 billion for peace.
To quote a member, you may now consider us to be a case of Herpes. We will now never go away, there will be un-expected flare-ups, painful with a great deal of discharge. Your only cure will be 4 billion isk or your final destruction.
Peace, Love, and all that rubbish
Hooch
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and people say I am crazy?
Herpes? That's apt.
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
Antithysis
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:51:00 -
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Disgusting exploit of game mechanics, E-Uni. Your neutrality is now a pile of shattered glass on the floor. I hope whoever put this idea in motion gets banned or expelled from EVE-Uni.
Disgraceful.
-Anti
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Halkin
Locus Solus
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk The one thing I take heart from in this debacle, is that my fans have been vindicated in their belief in me,
lol, praised be skunk
Originally by: Elise Randolph Everybody wins when trolls get trolled.
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Newsflash
NorthUnited
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Posted - 2008.05.25 05:19:00 -
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haha. i hope ccp does nothing. nice move ivy league. privateers..
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Kalmanaka
Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.25 05:27:00 -
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Priva-tears crying about someone using wardecs to their advantage? Now I've seen everything. 4 bil for peace. lolz. If you couldn't collect on your 2bil demand now you think you'll get 4 bil? ROFL
Yes, you are crazy.
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Danari
Viper Squad Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 05:34:00 -
[49]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist ASCN did something similar back when wardec fee was based on the number of members in your corp. Stuff like this is hardly earth shattering.
Completely erroneous, but back to the topic.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.25 05:56:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Le Skunk I said on day one of CCPs amateur, idiotic and horrific bodge on wardecs that CCP was putting EVEN MORE power into the hands of the rich.
I prophesised that people would wardec them selves with alt corps, to push the expense so high that no other corp would be able to do it
Nobody believed me.
The one thing I take heart from in this debacle, is that my fans have been vindicated in their belief in me.
SKUNK
I thought it was pretty obvious that this could happen
or did they dec another alt corp and then join said alt corp into the alliance and transfer all the wars to the alliance
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R1ck James
Acme Demolition
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Posted - 2008.05.25 06:37:00 -
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Pretty obvious that Ivy is not teaching anything worthwhile. ECM frig blobs are not "fleet warfare", and this is just ridiculous. Leave the training to the tutorial and other corps that cater to new players. The so-called instructors seem better suited to wtfbbqpwning NPC's and aweing new players in lvl 4's with their maxed Nighthawk/Golem/CNR's. SP and time in game mean nothing if you're an idiot, but apparently you can go teach at Eve Uni.
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Lisa Ikura
New World Disorders
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Posted - 2008.05.25 06:44:00 -
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loool at the sad little privateers in here crying when someone outsmart them
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Commander Thrawn
the united
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Posted - 2008.05.25 06:46:00 -
[53]
so what is said exploit?
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Lord WarATron
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.25 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 25/05/2008 06:50:16 1. Create lots of noob alt corps with your spare alts 2. Have them wardec each other via a few mil per wardec 3. Make the noobalt corps they are decing join your alliance, thus dragging free wars into the alliance 4. Make wars mutual
This is how any alliance can stop people wardecing them by making it soo expensive.
The wardec bills are almost nothing. They are not paying anything if they do this right and the setp fee for all the alts is less than the cost of a ship.
Possible fix - Have mutal war corps not count towards the wardec fee total. But that wont work either because then all that will happen is noobalt corps leave the alliance, get redeced and rejoin the alliance. --
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Commander Thrawn
the united
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Posted - 2008.05.25 06:52:00 -
[55]
lol that's a pretty desperate stunt
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area51
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.25 06:58:00 -
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you have to give them credit for that, lol
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Gnulpie
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.05.25 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Antithysis Disgusting exploit of game mechanics, E-Uni. Your neutrality is now a pile of shattered glass on the floor. I hope whoever put this idea in motion gets banned or expelled from EVE-Uni.
Disgraceful.
-Anti
Oh no!! They are using game mechanics to their favour!! Cheaters!! Cry to the devs!! Whine on the forums!!
What about for example abusing insurance payout for suicide killing freighters? Isn't that an abuse also? Oh wait .. that is legite game mechanics - because it works in your favour?
LOL
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Kera Delacour
Evenstar Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 07:06:00 -
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I have to say it's rather entertaining to see Privateers, of all people, complaining about another alliance taking advantage of wardec mechanics. Am I the only one that see's the incredible irony here? ----------- EVNS, bringing quality carebearing to a solar system near you! |
Lord WarATron
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.25 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 25/05/2008 07:08:33
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Antithysis Disgusting exploit of game mechanics, E-Uni. Your neutrality is now a pile of shattered glass on the floor. I hope whoever put this idea in motion gets banned or expelled from EVE-Uni.
Disgraceful.
-Anti
Oh no!! They are using game mechanics to their favour!! Cheaters!! Cry to the devs!! Whine on the forums!!
What about for example abusing insurance payout for suicide killing freighters? Isn't that an abuse also? Oh wait .. that is legite game mechanics - because it works in your favour?
LOL
There is a extreamly low cost way that any alliance can effectivly make itself immune to wardecs for a few dozen mil and a bunch of disposible freshly made noobalts as shown in post 56. Even if its not privateers today, it will be some isk farmer alliance tommorow who does it. And lets be honest here, ignoring priviateers, only the wardecee pays billions while the people protecting themselves by using this wardec mechanic pay basically nothing.
It is a exploit though not a declared one. --
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Gnulpie
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.05.25 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
There is a extreamly low cost way that any alliance can effectivly make itself immune to wardecs for a few dozen mil and a bunch of disposible freshly made noobalts as shown in post 56. Even if its not privateers today, it will be some isk farmer alliance tommorow who does it. And lets be honest here, ignoring priviateers, only the wardecee pays billions while the people protecting themselves by using this wardec mechanic pay basically nothing.
It is a exploit though not a declared one.
That is getting funnier and funnier. Now BoB is also complaining about using game mechanics to their full extend? Pos bowling for example, anyone? 'It is possible and unless it is not declared an exploit we will use it'.
So, either CCP says using wardecs this way is an exploit and then no one can use it. Or CCP says nothing (but changes it in the next patch) and then everyone should shut up.
The ONLY way to improve the game is to use these mechanics so that the devs can think over it if they wanted it this way or not and then act.
Again I say: bravo!
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.25 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ki An on 25/05/2008 07:20:39
Originally by: Gnulpie
That is getting funnier and funnier. Now BoB is also complaining about using game mechanics to their full extend? Pos bowling for example, anyone? 'It is possible and unless it is not declared an exploit we will use it'.
So, either CCP says using wardecs this way is an exploit and then no one can use it. Or CCP says nothing (but changes it in the next patch) and then everyone should shut up.
The ONLY way to improve the game is to use these mechanics so that the devs can think over it if they wanted it this way or not and then act.
Again I say: bravo!
Shut up, Gnulpie.
This should be an exploit no matter who does it to whom. Stupidity like yours is ruining the game.
It is also a pretty desperate tactic from someone claiming to be 'winning' the war.
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Moe Sczyzlak
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.25 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 25/05/2008 07:08:33
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Antithysis Disgusting exploit of game mechanics, E-Uni. Your neutrality is now a pile of shattered glass on the floor. I hope whoever put this idea in motion gets banned or expelled from EVE-Uni.
Disgraceful.
-Anti
Oh no!! They are using game mechanics to their favour!! Cheaters!! Cry to the devs!! Whine on the forums!!
What about for example abusing insurance payout for suicide killing freighters? Isn't that an abuse also? Oh wait .. that is legite game mechanics - because it works in your favour?
LOL
There is a extreamly low cost way that any alliance can effectivly make itself immune to wardecs for a few dozen mil and a bunch of disposible freshly made noobalts as shown in post 56. Even if its not privateers today, it will be some isk farmer alliance tommorow who does it. And lets be honest here, ignoring priviateers, only the wardecee pays billions while the people protecting themselves by using this wardec mechanic pay basically nothing.
It is a exploit though not a declared one.
Did you see waratron complaining? Looks to me like he was just EXplaining.
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Fofalus
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.05.25 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Fofalus on 25/05/2008 07:37:30 wrong char
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Stevens
Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.25 07:40:00 -
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Privateers were never really abusing the system either. They were just declaring a lot of wars. Now IVY is using it to protect themselves from wars which is clearly not the intent of it.
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Hawlin Formony
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Posted - 2008.05.25 07:50:00 -
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All the nerd rage flying around is this topic is pretty funny IMO.
OH NOES Abuse of Game Mechanics !!!11111Elventeen!!!! Completely Dishonorable Behavior!!!!!!
Internet spaceships are serious business LMAO
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.25 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hawlin Formony All the nerd rage flying around is this topic is pretty funny IMO.
OH NOES Abuse of Game Mechanics !!!11111Elventeen!!!! Completely Dishonorable Behavior!!!!!!
Internet spaceships are serious business LMAO
Nerd spotted raging ITT.
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Hawlin Formony
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Posted - 2008.05.25 08:22:00 -
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Hold on gimme a sec. I wanna RP...
Yarrr, Ima dirty pirate and I wanna board yer mizzenmast.
Aw hell it don't work for me.
Lemme try this...
I R HARDCORE PVP'ER /me waves e-peen around
PVP IS SRS BIZNESS
CAREBEARS GTFO
i am mighty in a spaceship MMO!!!!!
lol
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 08:27:00 -
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Edited by: X3k5 on 25/05/2008 08:28:35 As much as I support the University, this tactic eventually has to be exclaimed an exploit. What is an exploit? Its basically playing the game the way it was not intended. When CCP invented the war declaration system, they did not intend for this to happen. If people stop thinking from their emotions, perhaps they will realise the truth.
And Ki An, your "Shut up ..", "Stupidity like yours is ruining the game." isnt helping so perhaps if you could keep that to a low?
Originally by: Ki An It is also a pretty desperate tactic from someone claiming to be 'winning' the war.
I think the killboard speaks for itself as to who's winning the war. I know its a desperate tactic but I think they are doing it for the good of the people. If you have forgotten, Eve Uni is a selfless corp that helps newer pilots. And as of right now they are not learning much and I imagine by now they are probably tired of war too. And the other newer pilots who wish to learn have nowhere as good to go.
Originally by: R1ck James Pretty obvious that Ivy is not teaching anything worthwhile. ECM frig blobs are not "fleet warfare", and this is just ridiculous. Leave the training to the tutorial and other corps that cater to new players. The so-called instructors seem better suited to wtfbbqpwning NPC's and aweing new players in lvl 4's with their maxed Nighthawk/Golem/CNR's. SP and time in game mean nothing if you're an idiot, but apparently you can go teach at Eve Uni.
My, my, my, Mr R1ck James, you certainly seem very abhorrent of the Uni. Perhaps you got podded by them? Or got kicked from the uni perhaps? or maybe you are just a Privateer Alt? Anyways, who am I to make that judgement. You have your opinion and I have mine. And In my opinion, the players in the uni and the ones who have passed out, the majority are quite happy and do learn a lot. As for your teaching comment, why dont you join up and teach. You perfectly fit your description
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Jelena Jinx
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2008.05.25 09:25:00 -
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this is bit stupid... ivy dont dare fight anymore.
so they get FOOM to dec on Privs.
that dont work
so they cheat their way to get out of the dec :P
say what u want about privs.. but when some farmer alliance starts using this... it will get alot worse.
noone should be immune to war decs by driving the price up whit alts. thats a exploit
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Tommy Foofoo
Molden Heath Gentlemen's Society
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:06:00 -
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Neutrality - I don't see how this would affect that when IVY are doing it to try and end a war that was declared against them, with, as the Privs said, "no reason, just because I could".
Ransom - As a frequent consumer of forum drama, I've heard the demand made public before now, so there would have been nothing "under the table" about it. IIRC, last time, it was 2 billion "and a BPO of our choice". Demanded publicly, on the forum, where every griefer in Eve could see it and check whether the war ended soon afterwards.
Exploit? - CCP must have seen this coming when they created the current dec mechanics. Then again, they must have seen iMune and Privateers Mk. I coming, too, so let's leave that in their, slightly shaky and perhaps a little drunk, hands.
Drama and Nerd-Rage - Who would have guessed that an empire war could yield drama llamas with such shiny coats and tender meat?
In 1970, the great Edwin Starr posed the question, "War! Huh! What is it good for?" - a question that has gone unanswered until now. The answer is, quite clearly, "This thread". More please!
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:09:00 -
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It's pretty obvious that the wardec system needs a complete overhaul.
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Moe Sczyzlak
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Hawlin Formony Hold on gimme a sec. I wanna RP...
Yarrr, Ima dirty pirate and I wanna board yer mizzenmast.
Aw hell it don't work for me.
Lemme try this...
I R HARDCORE PVP'ER /me waves e-peen around
PVP IS SRS BIZNESS
CAREBEARS GTFO
i am mighty in a spaceship MMO!!!!!
lol
It's good to know there are people like you around to balance the nerd-rage with your well thought-through and balanced posts, moving the debate forward without resorting to childish namecalling and other cheap tricks. If more people were like you this would be a better game.
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Kelduum Revaan
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:24:00 -
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I have to say, even if it had cost 10.5 billion ISK, it would be worth it to see the 'Priva-tears' (thank you, Tormenta) whining this has generated.
Ok, so, some clarifications, straight from the source:
- I am the one behind this, and it was done without the knowledge of anyone in Ivy League.
- Wars can be declared for "any reason". Admittedly it may not be the original intent, but this is a sandbox, after all.
- The accounts these 'alts' are on are not mine, but friends of mine who are new to Eve.
- Although these are not my accounts or characters, I did however provide some directions, and supplied the necessary ISK.
- Making a war mutual removes its cost, but also removes it from the cost calculations.
- There is nothing unusual with the wars themselves. They follow the normal mechanics in every way.
- The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design.
Now, claims involving horrendously bad calculations aside (and, I must say, its good to see that Mr Hooch has managed to find that calculator and edit his posts), I am not aware of anything that suggests this is an exploit of existing mechanics.
This does not make IVY immune to wars, however it should dissuade the Privateers from their apparent 'holy crusade' to destroy Eve University. I think it is safe to say that the killboard speaks for itself on their performance so far, as it is suggesting that the great and powerful Privateers are unable to kill a bunch of noobs and their teachers. Simply put, our pilots learn from their mistakes, and come back stronger next time.
As far as neutrality goes, now correct me if I am wrong here, neutrality is typically between multiple separate entities, but there seems to be only two involved here: The Privateers, and Ivy League. I don't see how any claims of breaching neutrality applies here.
Finally, regarding mercenaries, I'm not aware of IVY paying for any. I may be mistaken, but after looking through the corp wallet, I am under the impression that any mercenaries involved are working for free.
-- Kelduum Revaan Director Eve University <IVY> _____
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Faekurias
Cash Money Brothers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie POAST
I think you missed the point /didn't read his post.
But for parts of the bobbits post I agree, Immune ISKFARMERS do not want. Sig locked, abuse of use - for more information mail [email protected] |
Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kelduum Revaan I have to say, even if it had cost 10.5 billion ISK, it would be worth it to see the 'Priva-tears' (thank you, Tormenta) whining this has generated.
Ok, so, some clarifications, straight from the source:
- I am the one behind this, and it was done without the knowledge of anyone in Ivy League.
- Wars can be declared for "any reason". Admittedly it may not be the original intent, but this is a sandbox, after all.
- The accounts these 'alts' are on are not mine, but friends of mine who are new to Eve.
- Although these are not my accounts or characters, I did however provide some directions, and supplied the necessary ISK.
- Making a war mutual removes its cost, but also removes it from the cost calculations.
- There is nothing unusual with the wars themselves. They follow the normal mechanics in every way.
- The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design.
Now, claims involving horrendously bad calculations aside (and, I must say, its good to see that Mr Hooch has managed to find that calculator and edit his posts), I am not aware of anything that suggests this is an exploit of existing mechanics.
This does not make IVY immune to wars, however it should dissuade the Privateers from their apparent 'holy crusade' to destroy Eve University. I think it is safe to say that the killboard speaks for itself on their performance so far, as it is suggesting that the great and powerful Privateers are unable to kill a bunch of noobs and their teachers. Simply put, our pilots learn from their mistakes, and come back stronger next time.
As far as neutrality goes, now correct me if I am wrong here, neutrality is typically between multiple separate entities, but there seems to be only two involved here: The Privateers, and Ivy League. I don't see how any claims of breaching neutrality applies here.
Finally, regarding mercenaries, I'm not aware of IVY paying for any. I may be mistaken, but after looking through the corp wallet, I am under the impression that any mercenaries involved are working for free.
-- Kelduum Revaan Director Eve University <IVY>
Why are you cheating like this if you are winning the war? You know, there are other ways to dissuade the Privateers from their "holy crusade" that involves actually playing the game as intended as opposed to pulling lame stunts like this.
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Hawlin Formony
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Moe Sczyzlak
It's good to know there are people like you around to balance the nerd-rage with your well thought-through and balanced posts, moving the debate forward without resorting to childish namecalling and other cheap tricks. If more people were like you this would be a better game.
STFU
The day this topic, or any topic on CAOD becomes about balance and game mechanics, will be the day angry nerds stop playing. This isn't even about politics, although some players pretend. This is about E-Peen waving, and nothing else.
With all the s**t talking going on, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous it all is. This game is awesome, it's just a damn shame some of it's players are so insignificant. (Irony LOL)
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Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:45:00 -
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Ivy league is pushing the limits as we did once and we got a "p-alliance" nerf doesnŠt matter if its within the mechanics or not. But we will see how that plays out if CCP allowes is in the long run there wonŠt be any alliance wars. They could make you an NPC corp if you are so neutral as you always claim.
If you are winning the war as you say , why donŠt you make it mutual as your players seem to learn from every engagement ?
You are not learning them PvP as you intend to you are learning them avoiding fights at all costs. My corp often brought reasonable fleets to your homesystem gave you time to scout and refit all your ships and still no one showed up. The 40 man blob fleets with loads of EW that we dismantle on a regular basis arenŠt the stuff you should teach. Of corse you feel safe in large fleets but thats how 0.0 developed into goonies playground . That makes you a valid target because you are making the next generation of brainless sheep that only do what they are told and never ever take on a fight that is not 10:1- ruines the game really.
And really you are all making it worse. DonŠt know what who when the war started but now you got even more pirate wannabes with fat wallets on your behind.
Personally i am not into management and i damn sure donŠt want to do anything within the privateers alliance apart from having fun so stop pretending you are soo poor so its allright to evade. You have the numbers you even have tec II ships so start teaching them small scale battles and give us a challenge.
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Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hawlin Formony
Originally by: Moe Sczyzlak
It's good to know there are people like you around to balance the nerd-rage with your well thought-through and balanced posts, moving the debate forward without resorting to childish namecalling and other cheap tricks. If more people were like you this would be a better game.
STFU
The day this topic, or any topic on CAOD becomes about balance and game mechanics, will be the day angry nerds stop playing. This isn't even about politics, although some players pretend. This is about E-Peen waving, and nothing else.
With all the s**t talking going on, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous it all is. This game is awesome, it's just a damn shame some of it's players are so insignificant. (Irony LOL)
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Kelduum Revaan
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An Why are you cheating like this if you are winning the war? You know, there are other ways to dissuade the Privateers from their "holy crusade" that involves actually playing the game as intended as opposed to pulling lame stunts like this.
Well, as I explained, I don't see it as cheating, personally. There are no unusual mechanics being used, but together, they have an interesting result.
However, there comes a time that after saying "Bad Dog!" for seven weeks, and the message not getting through, you just need to rub his nose in it to get the message across.
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Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
Originally by: Ki An Why are you cheating like this if you are winning the war? You know, there are other ways to dissuade the Privateers from their "holy crusade" that involves actually playing the game as intended as opposed to pulling lame stunts like this.
Well, as I explained, I don't see it as cheating, personally. There are no unusual mechanics being used, but together, they have an interesting result.
However, there comes a time that after saying "Bad Dog!" for seven weeks, and the message not getting through, you just need to rub his nose in it to get the message across.
-- Kelduum
And that message would be ?
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.25 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
Well, as I explained, I don't see it as cheating, personally. There are no unusual mechanics being used, but together, they have an interesting result.
The only thing interesting about the result is that it hasn't been declared an exploit already. It's a sad consequence of the "alliance P" nerf, and should have been fixed back then. I still have faith in CCP, and I am certain they will fix it now, as rich carebears like you shouldn't get a free pass out of wardecs.
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
However, there comes a time that after saying "Bad Dog!" for seven weeks, and the message not getting through, you just need to rub his nose in it to get the message across.
I think the message would be clearer if you actually tried killing them some more. As it is now, with your e-war blobs, you're just making Privateers want to kill you more.
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gavhriel
Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.25 11:32:00 -
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the fix for this is actually simple...knowing that isk can be made so easily in this game and 1 char can easily make hundreds of millions isk in a day....a war should be a lot more expensive (wars are serious buisness). - hundreds of millions for a corp war - billions for an alliance war Why should you be able to bribe Concord so easily to grief some noobs in high sec for the price of one battleship ? :)
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Frayen
Band of the Damned Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
...there comes a time that after saying "Bad Dog!" for seven weeks, and the message not getting through, you just need to rub his nose in it to get the message across. Kelduum
Me! I am the "Bad Dog!" he is talking about!
WOOHOO, I AM FAMOUS!!!!11!!1!!1!!oneoneeleventyone!!111
amidoingthisrite? probably not.
So you got desperate basically and now have to manipulate game mechanics, and all the whiney little nobodies in CAOD will only flame either side and none of it matters.
I smell something in this thread, and it smells like fear and desperation....comming from Kelduum.
Yep, this tactic sure confirms Privs are losing the war.
Originally by: Zealota FrayenÆs insults infuriate me, players should not be allowed to get away with this grotesque language. I am calmed by the fact you have an impending ban.
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Tormenta Noche
Tormenta Noche Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 11:41:00 -
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/me sends truck load of tissues & diapers to Priva-tears HQ.
Let's just recap, shall we?
- Priva-tears war dec's Ivy on BC Hastings' whim. According to him, that's the only reason and I've never seen BC be untruthful about such a big thing. So any other explanation about the origin of the war is moot.
- Priva-tears makes a public extortion demand that they know will not be honored.
- Ivy proceeds to prosecute the war exactly as they do every war, with large, EW heavy fleets, accepting unfavorable ship exchange rates for isk advantage. Since Priva-tear's has no killboard and even when they had one, management didn't care if losses were posted at all, Ivy's killboard becomes the only resource available for outsiders to examine.
- Priva-tears continues to re-dec Ivy for seven weeks straight, disrupting Ivy's mission of training new pilots in all professions (not just PvP) that move on to participate in many corps and alliances in Eve. There are even Ivy alumni inside Priva-tears now.
- Ivy researches, discovers and confirms an intended game mechanic that should encourage Priva-tears into letting the war go and allowing Ivy to return to its stated mission.
- Ivy employs said game mechanic.
- Priva-tears runs to CAOD" "Ivy don't play the way we want them to so we can kill them! They have to let us kill them or they are ruining the game for us! This is not fair!"
Say what you want about Le Skunk, but this level of infantile behavior was not the trademark of his term. Playground bullies are eventually seen for who and what they are.
Tormenta Noche
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.05.25 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Raffael Ramirez Ivy league is pushing the limits as we did once and we got a "p-alliance" nerf doesnŠt matter if its within the mechanics or not. But we will see how that plays out if CCP allowes is in the long run there wonŠt be any alliance wars. They could make you an NPC corp if you are so neutral as you always claim.
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From what I've seen this still allows alliance wars at reasonable prices. It does however make alliance-corp wars potentially very expensive for the aggressor.
Question is, should that be so or not? CCP will decide i guess. ---
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Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.25 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Raffael Ramirez Ivy league is pushing the limits as we did once and we got a "p-alliance" nerf doesnŠt matter if its within the mechanics or not. But we will see how that plays out if CCP allowes is in the long run there wonŠt be any alliance wars. They could make you an NPC corp if you are so neutral as you always claim.
Question is, should that be so or not? CCP will decide i guess.
Amen to that
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Profhet
Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Profhet on 25/05/2008 11:59:13 Please say Priva-tears a billion more times, it matters.
It's funny every time I do a show info on an Ivy pilot, its always an instructor apparently.
Can't have it both ways, either our war dec is unacceptable and hurting Eve in general or it's an opportunity for your students.
Frankly its the most fun I've had the whole time I have been in Eve, and I lost 3 ships this week, but again, I like to undock rather than sit in station waiting, spinning my ship or maybe deciding the most graceful way to leave my alliance high and dry in Fountain. ____________________________
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: X3k5 on 25/05/2008 12:14:26
Originally by: Profhet Can't have it both ways, either our war dec is unacceptable and hurting Eve in general or it's an opportunity for your students.
Perhaps you've heard of wine? Good for circulation of blood in small quantities. BAD for your health in the long term if consumed in large doses.
Privateers are a bit like that.
Meaning you get Uni's blood pumping in the short term. But its bad for the Uni in the long term because it hurts the newer players.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.05.25 12:13:00 -
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Privateers.... lol
The alliance which decs claiming to want good fights, then retracts at the first sign of a T1 cruiser squad ;)
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Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.25 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Privateers.... lol
The alliance which decs claiming to want good fights, then retracts at the first sign of a T1 cruiser squad ;)
Hehe nice thing about this alliance is that you canŠt throw them into one pot.
Some are in for the ganks , some even only fly tec I frigs to get on the killmails/loot. But some and i admit not the major part are in for the fights.
Simple reason: Privateers provides wars with multiple wartargets at reasonable costs.
And as you can see on the forum most players have strong feelings so they actually hunt us , and by god thats the most fun if you donŠt have to look for them the whole day/night.
As far as i know its intended to be that way every corp minds its own business only if they want they can join up mixed fleets.
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Nightsabre
T-Cells
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Posted - 2008.05.25 13:02:00 -
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You know if IVY set the wars as mutual... then all these little corps wont have to pay
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Crimsonjade
B.D.S.M. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Privateers.... lol
The alliance which decs claiming to want good fights, then retracts at the first sign of a T1 cruiser squad ;)
good fights imo = unarmed haulers with 74k of megacyte just floating about. pvp is overrated in caps online
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.05.25 13:13:00 -
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Does CCP need to fix this? Yes.
But. For the meantime, I am enjoying the Priva-tears whining about it .
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Profhet
Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 13:27:00 -
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I don't think its whining, thinks its more like, wow, I can't believe you can do that, and can't believe its E-Uni doing it. ____________________________
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Ker HarSol
Zip - I
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Posted - 2008.05.25 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
Why are you cheating like this if you are winning the war? You know, there are other ways to dissuade the Privateers from their "holy crusade" that involves actually playing the game as intended as opposed to pulling lame stunts like this.
Bitters much?
Shut up telling others how they should play the game!
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.25 13:40:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Ker HarSol
Bitters much?
Shut up telling others how they should play the game!
Yeah, we should all stop pointing out flaws in the game mechanics and lambast the tossers who exploit them. IT'S HOW THEY WANT TO PLAY THE GAME GODDAMMIT!
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.05.25 13:42:00 -
[97]
If only Eve Uni used that money to provide free ships maybe their students and stopped telling them to not undock unless they have overwhelming numbers they could learn something other than 'FORM UP THE BLOB GUYS'
Not really ragging on Eve Uni because that's what eve has become anyway. Still pretty disappointed though.
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Savant Hayt
The Reich
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:08:00 -
[98]
Privs are lame for dec'ing eve uni...but what is a game without an evil figure? Plus new members get to experience war.
Eve uni is lame for using such a BS tactic.
You people do realize every industrial/mining corp in the game is now going to start doing this. Essentially gaining immunity from war decs just shouldn't be happening, really breaks some the thrill of the game tbh.
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Swiftness
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:15:00 -
[99]
ITT a moron gloats about trying to ruin a corp which helps newbies enjoying eve. Hint : the more newbs enjoy eve, the longer the game will last
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:16:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Big Al If only Eve Uni used that money to provide free ships maybe their students and stopped telling them to not undock unless they have overwhelming numbers they could learn something other than 'FORM UP THE BLOB GUYS'
Not really ragging on Eve Uni because that's what eve has become anyway. Still pretty disappointed though.
The Uni does in fact provide free ships, frigs and dessies at least I think, to their members, so nobody has to sit on the side while the rest of the team blows up some Privateers.
And I am literally laughing my arse off at this one. Clever move, Kelduum, I approve. The Privs, the Original Gangstas of pushing game mechanics their way in wardecs, are screaming about getting out-hustled. That should be in a Mastercard 'Priceless' commercial.
See, the griefer brigade's whining is misplaced this time. With iMune, the corp ducked the wardec altogether after doing their join up/quit out trick. This time, the Privs are perfectly capable of continuing their grief war againt the Uni as long as their sweet little hearts desire. But, they'll have to pay through the nose for it. Is eternal griefing worth billions per week to keep it up? If so, then PAY THE FEE. It's not like the Uni is getting away scot-free, the person behind it is also paying, although less money, to keep the charade going from their end. Money is disappearing from the economy. This is a good thing. It's also not like the Uni isn't doing their part, check the killboard and see that they've been fighting back and successfully. It's also-ALSO not like this is going to be a widespread thing, because who is going to pony up the cash to keep themselves wardecced, just in case? No, people are still going to get their 1 week of mayhem and rioting and looting and griefing and noob-slapping in the future, but when they try to extend it into a siege and grief-a-thon, then they might just have to drop some cash. Nexia Nexcis will be screaming bloody murder, but everyone else will be /shrug. Tough break.
Hooch, you got outplayed. Maybe it's time to find another target? -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:18:00 -
[101]
Edited by: The PitBoss on 25/05/2008 14:21:35
DEFINATELY not what the DEVs had in mind ... BUT as always at the short end of the stick ... WE ADAPT
IN THE MEAN TIME ....
I will be taking up collections to CONTINUE the war dec on IVY LEAGUE for the upcoming week ... they will not get off that easy
With their little shenanigans ... the upcoming week will cost us: 1 BILLION isk
Please reach deep folks ...
Deposit the isk in the wallet of:
THE PITBOSS
Complete ANONYMITY guaranteed
Thanks,
PB
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Hugo Maxum
No Angels Here
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:28:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Moe Sczyzlak
Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 25/05/2008 07:08:33
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Antithysis Disgusting exploit of game mechanics, E-Uni. Your neutrality is now a pile of shattered glass on the floor. I hope whoever put this idea in motion gets banned or expelled from EVE-Uni.
Disgraceful.
-Anti
No, this is not totally correct. If you have been a member of an alliance such as BOB, Goons or any other questionalble corp you are considered a spy by them. And not trustworthy. You also are then making it hard for them to say they are neutral. I say what a load of crap. I know a few of the teachers in E-Uni and to play with game mechanics this way shows you are not as neutral as you might claim to be. Can't wait for devs to claim this an exploit, as for a reputation thing you should not be doing this. Oh no!! They are using game mechanics to their favour!! Cheaters!! Cry to the devs!! Whine on the forums!!
What about for example abusing insurance payout for suicide killing freighters? Isn't that an abuse also? Oh wait .. that is legite game mechanics - because it works in your favour?
LOL
There is a extreamly low cost way that any alliance can effectivly make itself immune to wardecs for a few dozen mil and a bunch of disposible freshly made noobalts as shown in post 56. Even if its not privateers today, it will be some isk farmer alliance tommorow who does it. And lets be honest here, ignoring priviateers, only the wardecee pays billions while the people protecting themselves by using this wardec mechanic pay basically nothing.
It is a exploit though not a declared one.
Did you see waratron complaining? Looks to me like he was just EXplaining.
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Tormenta Noche
Tormenta Noche Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: The PitBoss I will be taking up collections to CONTINUE the war dec on IVY LEAGUE for the upcoming week ... they will not get off that easy...
Deposit the isk in the wallet of: THE PITBOSS
Brilliant!
Transition from boo-hoo to bragging to begging <cough> scam <cough> all in one thread!
Genius, sir!
Tormenta Noche
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:32:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Tormenta Noche
Originally by: The PitBoss I will be taking up collections to CONTINUE the war dec on IVY LEAGUE for the upcoming week ... they will not get off that easy...
Deposit the isk in the wallet of: THE PITBOSS
Brilliant!
Transition from boo-hoo to bragging to begging <cough> scam <cough> all in one thread!
Genius, sir!
Tormenta Noche
LOL, when they stomp off sulking from their Uni wardec, they're coming after you next for poking them with a sharp stick relentlessly, you realize that right?
Either that or they'll dispatch Nexia to do it. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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Hugo Maxum
No Angels Here
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:35:00 -
[105]
yeah, but then they will use the same lame tactic that the uni is using. disgraceful really
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Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:37:00 -
[106]
To the genius who came up with the ôPriva-tearsö thing: There is a certain truth in that, because every time I see an IVY player trying to PvP, I laugh so hard it brings tears to my eyes. I went to Korsiki and 20+ IVY players dockedà and I was flying solo in my cov ops frigate û I didnÆt even have weapons fitted. Oh andà ôplayground bulliesö ? When you say that, you do realize û you are standing all alone in the middle of ità and itÆs our playground
To IVY: When the rabbit makes short turns to get away from the wolf, that doesnÆt make the wolf stop chasing it û it just ****es him off. I will see you around boys To all the wiseguys who keeping smacking , saying how worthless the Privateers are, how we are no threat at allà : ThatÆs exactly what IVY were saying a while ago. And now they resort to abusing game mechanics in order to get rid of us. ------
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Tormenta Noche
Tormenta Noche Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:44:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke LOL, when they stomp off sulking from their Uni wardec, they're coming after you next for poking them with a sharp stick relentlessly, you realize that right?
If they want to help deflate the economy by taking more isk out of circulation, I'm happy to provide them with that opportunity.
Tormenta Noche
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:44:00 -
[108]
Edited by: X3k5 on 25/05/2008 14:46:28
Originally by: Kyle Frost To IVY: When the rabbit makes short turns to get away from the wolf, that doesnÆt make the wolf stop chasing it û it just ****es him off. I will see you around boys
Youve touched the analogy so I figured I should complete it. The rabbit gets his friends together and cuts out the wolf's belly. Now if the wolf wants to chase after the rabbit, he's free to and in doing so bleed/starve to death or the wolf can cut his losses and accept defeat.
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Tormenta Noche
Tormenta Noche Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Tormenta Noche on 25/05/2008 15:03:39
Originally by: Kyle Frost To the genius who came up with the ôPriva-tearsö thing: ôplayground bulliesö ? When you say that, you do realize û you are standing all alone in the middle of ità and itÆs our playground
And you are standing beside the merry-go-round begging for lunch money from the smart kids. Here's a quid, enjoy.
Tormenta Noche
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Brandwood
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:04:00 -
[110]
Confirming I will be receiving the isk.
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BoB sucks
Burning Bush Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:24:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
Well, as I explained, I don't see it as cheating, personally. There are no unusual mechanics being used, but together, they have an interesting result.
The only thing interesting about the result is that it hasn't been declared an exploit already. It's a sad consequence of the "alliance P" nerf, and should have been fixed back then. I still have faith in CCP, and I am certain they will fix it now, as rich carebears like you shouldn't get a free pass out of wardecs.
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
However, there comes a time that after saying "Bad Dog!" for seven weeks, and the message not getting through, you just need to rub his nose in it to get the message across.
I think the message would be clearer if you actually tried killing them some more. As it is now, with your e-war blobs, you're just making Privateers want to kill you more.
So that is what this is all about, wallet jealousy?
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LuthienTinuviel
The HIgher Standard
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:45:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Raffael Ramirez Ivy league is pushing the limits as we did once and we got a "p-alliance" nerf doesnŠt matter if its within the mechanics or not. But we will see how that plays out if CCP allowes is in the long run there wonŠt be any alliance wars. They could make you an NPC corp if you are so neutral as you always claim.
If you are winning the war as you say , why donŠt you make it mutual as your players seem to learn from every engagement ?
You are not learning them PvP as you intend to you are learning them avoiding fights at all costs. My corp often brought reasonable fleets to your homesystem gave you time to scout and refit all your ships and still no one showed up. The 40 man blob fleets with loads of EW that we dismantle on a regular basis arenŠt the stuff you should teach. Of corse you feel safe in large fleets but thats how 0.0 developed into goonies playground . That makes you a valid target because you are making the next generation of brainless sheep that only do what they are told and never ever take on a fight that is not 10:1- ruines the game really.
And really you are all making it worse. DonŠt know what who when the war started but now you got even more pirate wannabes with fat wallets on your behind.
Personally i am not into management and i damn sure donŠt want to do anything within the privateers alliance apart from having fun so stop pretending you are soo poor so its allright to evade. You have the numbers you even have tec II ships so start teaching them small scale battles and give us a challenge.
They may be learning the pvp side of the game but last I checked that wasn't what Eve-U was about in it's entirety in fact I think your probably thinking more along the lines of Agony Unleashed if you have that view of Eve-U. The problem with this wardec for Eve-U I imagine is that while occasional pvp is good for training purposes having a constant pvp environment for weeks/months on end means that any non pvp side of the game does not get any attention so makes eve-U an one dimensinal entity... In regards to what the guy from Eve-U did I can't say I like it I dunno if I would class it in my mind as an exploit however I do feel and have felt for a long time the war dec system is completely broken (both for defenders as well as agressors) so if anything good comes of this hopefully the Devs will took a proper look at the war dec system and finally make it so it works.
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Kalmanaka
Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Profhet I don't think its whining, thinks its more like, wow, I can't believe you can do that, and can't believe its E-Uni doing it.
You can't contradict yourself here. This statement says you think IVY is an honorable institution worth respecting who should be above using game mechanics like this, yet your actions over the last weeks say you feel IVY is a worthless pile of garbage and using game mechanics like this should fit in perfectly with your view of them.
So which is it? Oh wait thats right you'll post anything to try and make yourselves feel better than them. nm. Good luck with your new scam.
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.05.25 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jakke Logan on 25/05/2008 16:19:50 It'd be a lot easier to sympathize with Privateer Alliance if they weren't crying so much. So what, your gank war just got more expensive. Cry me a river. Pay up or go attack someone else. Privateers crying over someone using wardec mechanics against them is as hilarious and hypocritical as it would be if BOB came here crying about enemy Titans, or the Goons crying about blobs.
I've yet to see a privateer have the balls to bring it into 0.0 despite the fact that they continually wardec 0.0 alliances.
Advice: Shut up and rise to a challenge for once. Or go pick on someone poorer. Whines like this are why I have next to zero respect for the majority of the pirates out there, who lack the fighting ability to fight anyone who can fight back, who would panic if they ever faced... gasp, even numbers or being slightly outnumbered. It takes no skill whatsoever to take T2 ships, put them on a gate and blow up haulers.
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.25 16:29:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Jakke Logan Edited by: Jakke Logan on 25/05/2008 16:19:50 It'd be a lot easier to sympathize with Privateer Alliance if they weren't crying so much. So what, your gank war just got more expensive. Cry me a river. Pay up or go attack someone else. Privateers crying over someone using wardec mechanics against them is as hilarious and hypocritical as it would be if BOB came here crying about enemy Titans, or the Goons crying about blobs.
I've yet to see a privateer have the balls to bring it into 0.0 despite the fact that they continually wardec 0.0 alliances.
Advice: Shut up and rise to a challenge for once. Or go pick on someone poorer. Whines like this are why I have next to zero respect for the majority of the pirates out there, who lack the fighting ability to fight anyone who can fight back, who would panic if they ever faced... gasp, even numbers or being slightly outnumbered. It takes no skill whatsoever to take T2 ships, put them on a gate and blow up haulers.
Originally by: The Hooch I have played this game for a very long time, I thought I have seen it all... until today.
This is so un-believable I don't know if anyone will even think it is true.
Ivy League has created 20, one-man corps and had them all dec themselves.
BILLIONS Hell, for 2 billion under the table we would have called it off and told nobody about it.
Since we now know you have the isk to waste, the price is now 4 billion for peace.
To quote a member, you may now consider us to be a case of Herpes. We will now never go away, there will be un-expected flare-ups, painful with a great deal of discharge. Your only cure will be 4 billion isk or your final destruction. Peace, Love, and all that rubbish
Hooch
ps
and people say I am crazy?
That is the OP in this thread. Now read it and think about why your post is one of the crying ones in this thread, and the OP isn't.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 16:30:00 -
[116]
Edited by: The Hooch on 25/05/2008 16:33:06 There is no real crying here boys and girls. It is the whole inconsistency at issue. After the "P - Alliance" patch which was supposed to "fix" the war dec system, instead it left this hole just begging to be exploited. Well, it has been and we are pointing this out now.
On a side not if we wish to, and we just might pay this fee anyway if to prove we can match and dirty trick with a like action. We ain't lacking for isk to do it.
Also, we are looking for mouthy people in this thread and that is providing us with all kinds of new targets. So maybe we let Ivy go for a few days and we take a look at this thread and see who needs a bit of our "Priva-Tears".
See you soon!
Hooch
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.05.25 16:37:00 -
[117]
yea that's broken, not even a little bit broken or a "grey area" like logoffski, that's ******* broken all to hell.
can't say it surprises me eve uni would pull such a silly stunt, i'm just shocked ccp hasn't laid down the law.
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Doctor Zemmen
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 17:13:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan I have to say, even if it had cost 10.5 billion ISK, it would be worth it to see the 'Priva-tears' (thank you, Tormenta) whining this has generated.
Ok, so, some clarifications, straight from the source:
- I am the one behind this, and it was done without the knowledge of anyone in Ivy League.
- Wars can be declared for "any reason". Admittedly it may not be the original intent, but this is a sandbox, after all.
- The accounts these 'alts' are on are not mine, but friends of mine who are new to Eve.
- Although these are not my accounts or characters, I did however provide some directions, and supplied the necessary ISK.
- Making a war mutual removes its cost, but also removes it from the cost calculations.
- There is nothing unusual with the wars themselves. They follow the normal mechanics in every way.
- The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design.
Now, claims involving horrendously bad calculations aside (and, I must say, its good to see that Mr Hooch has managed to find that calculator and edit his posts), I am not aware of anything that suggests this is an exploit of existing mechanics.
This does not make IVY immune to wars, however it should dissuade the Privateers from their apparent 'holy crusade' to destroy Eve University. I think it is safe to say that the killboard speaks for itself on their performance so far, as it is suggesting that the great and powerful Privateers are unable to kill a bunch of noobs and their teachers. Simply put, our pilots learn from their mistakes, and come back stronger next time.
As far as neutrality goes, now correct me if I am wrong here, neutrality is typically between multiple separate entities, but there seems to be only two involved here: The Privateers, and Ivy League. I don't see how any claims of breaching neutrality applies here.
Finally, regarding mercenaries, I'm not aware of IVY paying for any. I may be mistaken, but after looking through the corp wallet, I am under the impression that any mercenaries involved are working for free.
-- Kelduum Revaan Director Eve University <IVY>
There was once an alliance called "Imune empire" that was formed with the idea of allowing corps to transfer wardecs to their alliance. This was quickly announced as an exploit. I assumed people would have learned from that situation that submitting reports to the bughunters held about as much weight as getting a note from your mom. I assume a senior GM will weigh in on this topic sooner or later, and it will be a sad day for EVE if it is not classed as an exploit.
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.05.25 17:20:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
However, there comes a time that after saying "Bad Dog!" for seven weeks, and the message not getting through, you just need to rub his nose in it to get the message across.
And who are you to call anyone a bad dog? A bit of the Ivy arrogance for the world to see...why people still cling to the image you lot created is beyond me.
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.05.25 17:25:00 -
[120]
Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 25/05/2008 16:33:06 There is no real crying here boys and girls. It is the whole inconsistency at issue. After the "P - Alliance" patch which was supposed to "fix" the war dec system, instead it left this hole just begging to be exploited. Well, it has been and we are pointing this out now.
On a side not if we wish to, and we just might pay this fee anyway if to prove we can match and dirty trick with a like action. We ain't lacking for isk to do it.
Also, we are looking for mouthy people in this thread and that is providing us with all kinds of new targets. So maybe we let Ivy go for a few days and we take a look at this thread and see who needs a bit of our "Priva-Tears".
See you soon!
Hooch
Like there is anyone who isn't an Empire carebear who is afraid of that. Lolz.
Fact of the matter is that privateer alliance is no threat whatsoever to anyone who is capable of fighting back. Which is why they like to pick on empire corps and especially, noob training corps like the uni.
So, they've set out to make it as expensive as possible for you. I applaud that. I love listening to the whines of pirates whenever they are faced with ANY risk or cost consequences to what they do. You can fight all the wars you want and it won't cost you any ISK. Show some nads and show yourselves in 0.0.
You won't.
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.05.25 17:31:00 -
[121]
Originally by: LuthienTinuviel
Originally by: Raffael Ramirez Ivy league is pushing the limits as we did once and we got a "p-alliance" nerf doesnŠt matter if its within the mechanics or not. But we will see how that plays out if CCP allowes is in the long run there wonŠt be any alliance wars. They could make you an NPC corp if you are so neutral as you always claim.
If you are winning the war as you say , why donŠt you make it mutual as your players seem to learn from every engagement ?
You are not learning them PvP as you intend to you are learning them avoiding fights at all costs. My corp often brought reasonable fleets to your homesystem gave you time to scout and refit all your ships and still no one showed up. The 40 man blob fleets with loads of EW that we dismantle on a regular basis arenŠt the stuff you should teach. Of corse you feel safe in large fleets but thats how 0.0 developed into goonies playground . That makes you a valid target because you are making the next generation of brainless sheep that only do what they are told and never ever take on a fight that is not 10:1- ruines the game really.
And really you are all making it worse. DonŠt know what who when the war started but now you got even more pirate wannabes with fat wallets on your behind.
Personally i am not into management and i damn sure donŠt want to do anything within the privateers alliance apart from having fun so stop pretending you are soo poor so its allright to evade. You have the numbers you even have tec II ships so start teaching them small scale battles and give us a challenge.
They may be learning the pvp side of the game but last I checked that wasn't what Eve-U was about in it's entirety in fact I think your probably thinking more along the lines of Agony Unleashed if you have that view of Eve-U. The problem with this wardec for Eve-U I imagine is that while occasional pvp is good for training purposes having a constant pvp environment for weeks/months on end means that any non pvp side of the game does not get any attention so makes eve-U an one dimensinal entity... In regards to what the guy from Eve-U did I can't say I like it I dunno if I would class it in my mind as an exploit however I do feel and have felt for a long time the war dec system is completely broken (both for defenders as well as agressors) so if anything good comes of this hopefully the Devs will took a proper look at the war dec system and finally make it so it works.
One thing that is horribly broken about war mechanics is that an entity can declare war against an alliance and never show their faces in their territory. It's a war, after all, shouldn't there be a requirement that it be, uh, FOUGHT? The agressor (declarer) should at least have to make an occasional appearance in the sov systems of the declaree to keep a war valid, or at the very least, the cost should rise exponentially for each week in which they DONT.
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Crimsonjade
B.D.S.M. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 17:41:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Jakke Logan
Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 25/05/2008 16:33:06 There is no real crying here boys and girls. It is the whole inconsistency at issue. After the "P - Alliance" patch which was supposed to "fix" the war dec system, instead it left this hole just begging to be exploited. Well, it has been and we are pointing this out now.
On a side not if we wish to, and we just might pay this fee anyway if to prove we can match and dirty trick with a like action. We ain't lacking for isk to do it.
Also, we are looking for mouthy people in this thread and that is providing us with all kinds of new targets. So maybe we let Ivy go for a few days and we take a look at this thread and see who needs a bit of our "Priva-Tears".
See you soon!
Hooch
Like there is anyone who isn't an Empire carebear who is afraid of that. Lolz.
Fact of the matter is that privateer alliance is no threat whatsoever to anyone who is capable of fighting back. Which is why they like to pick on empire corps and especially, noob training corps like the uni.
So, they've set out to make it as expensive as possible for you. I applaud that. I love listening to the whines of pirates whenever they are faced with ANY risk or cost consequences to what they do. You can fight all the wars you want and it won't cost you any ISK. Show some nads and show yourselves in 0.0.
You won't.
we will show up in ivys 0.0 space as soon as you post with your main
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Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.25 17:42:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Jakke Logan
Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 25/05/2008 16:33:06 There is no real crying here boys and girls. It is the whole inconsistency at issue. After the "P - Alliance" patch which was supposed to "fix" the war dec system, instead it left this hole just begging to be exploited. Well, it has been and we are pointing this out now.
On a side not if we wish to, and we just might pay this fee anyway if to prove we can match and dirty trick with a like action. We ain't lacking for isk to do it.
Also, we are looking for mouthy people in this thread and that is providing us with all kinds of new targets. So maybe we let Ivy go for a few days and we take a look at this thread and see who needs a bit of our "Priva-Tears".
See you soon!
Hooch
Like there is anyone who isn't an Empire carebear who is afraid of that. Lolz.
Fact of the matter is that privateer alliance is no threat whatsoever to anyone who is capable of fighting back. Which is why they like to pick on empire corps and especially, noob training corps like the uni.
So, they've set out to make it as expensive as possible for you. I applaud that. I love listening to the whines of pirates whenever they are faced with ANY risk or cost consequences to what they do. You can fight all the wars you want and it won't cost you any ISK. Show some nads and show yourselves in 0.0.
You won't.
You sir , just disqualified.
AGAIN : most of the guys i respect in this alliance played longer in 0.0 space than you play this game and there is a reason we stay in empire :
You really think that blob warfare, Cap ship bowling pos camping/outpost hugging and all the other stuff you nubs find soo amazing is fun ?
Dude, you never played eve....
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Jessica Watia
noQuarter.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jessica Watia on 25/05/2008 17:43:46 gg eve-uni. keep those privateers crying <3
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 18:19:00 -
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Quote: You won't.
On that point you are right, be there... done that... went broke being an "honorable" player. Now I am not broke and just might renew the dec when I login to prove it.
Hooch, epic fail and I like it
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Surreptitious
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 18:24:00 -
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I hope CCP recognizes that these are the type of exploits and biased game mechanics that breed hate and contempt not just for their game but their company. Much like the goons they are raising a whole new generation of people who distrust and dislike CCP. A whole new generation of players that work harder both in-game and out at ruining the game than contributing to it in a positive manner.
They were so quick to f us in the a a year or so ago. I think many are expecting the same level of haste regarding this exploit. Lets see if CCP can stand true to their ideals or if theyll blow it and make this a shinning example of their bias that we can all remember and reference for years to come.
Syrup
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isAzmodeus
The Seven
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Posted - 2008.05.25 18:38:00 -
[127]
Did you really just complain that this mechanic is creating players trying to ruin the game while also admitting to griefing a new player training corp?
You may not agree with how it was done, but I personally find this funny. Why are the privs so concerned about eve university? You'd think they could find a much better target to get all worked up about. --------------------------------- The Seven- Blowing up someone near you. |
Tormenta Noche
Tormenta Noche Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Surreptitious Otherwise you should just accept the fact that our griefing is a new facet of your gameplay..
Can it be? An honest Priva-tear?
Care to explain how self-admitting griefing "contributes to the game in a positive manner"?
Based on this self-admission, perhaps CCP will take an interest in that angle, as well.
Tormenta Noche "It's all just a bad dream..." |
Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.25 18:46:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Tormenta Noche
Originally by: Surreptitious Otherwise you should just accept the fact that our griefing is a new facet of your gameplay..
Can it be? An honest Priva-tear?
Care to explain how self-admitting griefing "contributes to the game in a positive manner"?
Based on this self-admission, perhaps CCP will take an interest in that angle, as well.
Tormenta Noche
Same way that ever pirate ever in this game contributed.
WE make it a harsh world, not the alliances that fly their afk haulers through empire. WE make you think where you fly how you fit your ship in empire . WE make you cry when you jump into a camp without scout.
And for the ones that fight back -> WE provide targets.
And actually most of them who fight back enjoy it as much as we do if not more.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 18:58:00 -
[130]
When the pirates and griefers and jerks are coming up with new and more annoying ways to prosecute their griefdom, complaints are met with "shut up and grow balls", "learn to fight newb", "GB2WOW", and my favorite, "PAY THE RANSOM", etc...
When the targets come up with new and more annoying ways to make the griefers have to do something other than push F1-F8 and get their freebie from the EVE Loot Dispensor, it's "OMG CCP EXPLOITZ!!!", "NO HONOUR", "FUHQING CAREBEARZ BREAKING THE RULEZ", etc...
Methinks the whiners doth protest too much.
This week it's 1 billion to keep being pests. Would you like to play Double Jeopardy and go for 2 billion a week?
Oh and BTW, you're not winning. Ivy Killboard (can't link for obvious reasons), you're losing 3.975billion to 3.365billion in cash, an efficiency edge of 54% for the Uni. I hardly expect that to change, as hey, how much can ISK damage can you really do, to a bunch of newbs in frigates? -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:04:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke When the pirates and griefers and jerks are coming up with new and more annoying ways to prosecute their griefdom, complaints are met with "shut up and grow balls", "learn to fight newb", "GB2WOW", and my favorite, "PAY THE RANSOM", etc...
When the targets come up with new and more annoying ways to make the griefers have to do something other than push F1-F8 and get their freebie from the EVE Loot Dispensor, it's "OMG CCP EXPLOITZ!!!", "NO HONOUR", "FUHQING CAREBEARZ BREAKING THE RULEZ", etc...
Methinks the whiners doth protest too much.
This week it's 1 billion to keep being pests. Would you like to play Double Jeopardy and go for 2 billion a week?
Oh and BTW, you're not winning. Ivy Killboard (can't link for obvious reasons), you're losing 3.975billion to 3.365billion in cash, an efficiency edge of 54% for the Uni. I hardly expect that to change, as hey, how much can ISK damage can you really do, to a bunch of newbs in frigates?
It always was and always will be that way. Fact is both game styles make eve what it is. But there are certain limits in pushing the game mechanics as CCP showed with the P-alliance nerf.
And for the statistics canŠt comment on the alliance ones , corp wise it looks pretty good.
Think that war is much more nowadays as when it started tbh.
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:06:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Oh and BTW, you're not winning. Ivy Killboard (can't link for obvious reasons), you're losing 3.975billion to 3.365billion in cash, an efficiency edge of 54% for the Uni. I hardly expect that to change, as hey, how much can ISK damage can you really do, to a bunch of newbs in frigates?
EVE UNIVERSITY IS WINNING THE ISK WAR!
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:11:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Ponderous Thunderstroke on 25/05/2008 19:12:45
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Oh and BTW, you're not winning. Ivy Killboard (can't link for obvious reasons), you're losing 3.975billion to 3.365billion in cash, an efficiency edge of 54% for the Uni. I hardly expect that to change, as hey, how much can ISK damage can you really do, to a bunch of newbs in frigates?
EVE UNIVERSITY IS WINNING THE ISK WAR!
What, you were thinking they'd win the ship totals war? Be serious.
Uni's fighting the only war they can, against an intractable enemy, and inflicting a cost/value loss on them. Not bad for a training cadre of noobs in frigates and dessies.
EDIT: And now it's costing 1 billion a week (for the moment) for Hooch to continue his statistical stalemate. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:15:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Tormenta Noche And you are standing beside the merry-go-round begging for lunch money from the smart kids. Here's a quid, enjoy.
Tormenta Noche
This is where you got it wrong. You are so far away from being a "smart kid" it's not even remotely imaginable Anyway, there is no way you could know who i am and what i do because you are like those nerd kids who never come down to the playground. They just sit on the balcony and talk trash.
Originally by: X3k5 Youve touched the analogy so I figured I should complete it. The rabbit gets his friends together and cuts out the wolf's belly. Now if the wolf wants to chase after the rabbit, he's free to and in doing so bleed/starve to death or the wolf can cut his losses and accept defeat.
The rabbit gets his friends ? What friends ? Did you read the first post on this thread ? IVY didn't contract mercs against us . They abuse a flaw in the game mechanics to get us off their backs. And i can't understand what defeat you are talking about, since we are not the ones who try to stop the war by cheating - IVY is doing that ------
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:18:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Kyle Frost
Originally by: Tormenta Noche And you are standing beside the merry-go-round begging for lunch money from the smart kids. Here's a quid, enjoy.
Tormenta Noche
This is where you got it wrong. You are so far away from being a "smart kid" it's not even remotely imaginable Anyway, there is no way you could know who i am and what i do because you are like those nerd kids who never come down to the playground. They just sit on the balcony and talk trash.
Originally by: X3k5 Youve touched the analogy so I figured I should complete it. The rabbit gets his friends together and cuts out the wolf's belly. Now if the wolf wants to chase after the rabbit, he's free to and in doing so bleed/starve to death or the wolf can cut his losses and accept defeat.
The rabbit gets his friends ? What friends ? Did you read the first post on this thread ? IVY didn't contract mercs against us . They abuse a flaw in the game mechanics to get us off their backs. And i can't understand what defeat you are talking about, since we are not the ones who try to stop the war by cheating - IVY is doing that
IVY doesn't want the war stopped. Rather, it appears that they want you to bleed in order to continue it. Is your griefing important enough for you to run another week? PAY THE RANSOM (to Concord). -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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PR Hough
Fatalix Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: PR Hough on 25/05/2008 19:22:42
Originally by: The Hooch
Also, we are looking for mouthy people in this thread and that is providing us with all kinds of new targets. So maybe we let Ivy go for a few days and we take a look at this thread and see who needs a bit of our "Priva-Tears".
See you soon!
Hooch
Priva-Tears!!!!11111!
please come and get me, it will be fun! on a serious note would you really bother hunting down some people and their alts just because they called your group a rather unwitty name on the forums?
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isAzmodeus
The Seven
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:21:00 -
[137]
Edited by: isAzmodeus on 25/05/2008 19:22:28 War is a multifaceted approach. It seems like Ivy found a way to inflict more pain on their enemies (increased isk cost to fund the war).
I'd think the Privateers would applaud people trying to gain an advantage in war and bleed their opponents dry. I guess thats only true when it is happening to someone else.
EDIT: Threatening to war-dec people that bad-mouth you on the forums shows exactly what type of players you are. Its amazing to try and watch the privs get on a high horse for this topic, while also showing that they lack the moral authority for that position. --------------------------------- The Seven- Blowing up someone near you. |
Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: PR Hough Edited by: PR Hough on 25/05/2008 19:22:42
Originally by: The Hooch
Also, we are looking for mouthy people in this thread and that is providing us with all kinds of new targets. So maybe we let Ivy go for a few days and we take a look at this thread and see who needs a bit of our "Priva-Tears".
See you soon!
Hooch
Priva-Tears!!!!11111!
please come and get me, it will be fun! on a serious note would you really bother hunting down some people and their alts just because they called your group a rather unwitty name on the forums?
Yes, people do.
See: Nexcis, Nexia. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: X3k5 Edited by: X3k5 on 25/05/2008 14:46:28
Originally by: Kyle Frost To IVY: When the rabbit makes short turns to get away from the wolf, that doesnÆt make the wolf stop chasing it û it just ****es him off. I will see you around boys
Youve touched the analogy so I figured I should complete it. The rabbit gets his friends together and cuts out the wolf's belly. Now if the wolf wants to chase after the rabbit, he's free to and in doing so bleed/starve to death or the wolf can cut his losses and accept defeat.
This is it. The worst post on all of CAOD for 2008. See how it tries very hard to be witty and tough and intimidating, talking of rabbits who band together and cut out wolf bellies. See how it claims that this is part of an analogy.
Also see how it falls flat on its face into a fetid puddle of failure. There is no analogy here. There is only a carebear, pounding his chest vicariously through someone else's abuse of a game mechanic.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Stevens
Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.25 20:01:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design.
You need to get off your high horse throwing out bug report numbers. This wouldn't be the first time a clueless bug hunter/game master claimed something was an exploit just to have it changed in a short time spam claiming it was an exploit. So I can go two quite humorous ways with this.
1. Petition a gm and escalate it until I get a GM to claim it is an exploit (Protip I'm not a priv and even more IAC gets decced by them enough for me to hate them) 2. You can give me the name of the Bug Hunter and I can say he called it legit to benifit himself in Ivy League and get a hold of Internal Affairs. They have an amazing turn around time (24-48 hours) and IA will get it fixed.
Your choice.
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Cosmic Raider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 20:51:00 -
[141]
Privateers would be the first to scream "anything goes that game mechanics allow" and the first to whine "it's not good for the game" when it wasn't what they wanted.
What's lost in this is they have been losing to Uni for weeks now. They don't want to walk away failing, so now they complain when the Uni responds with all methods at their disposal. Unsurprising from a group that admits they couldn't hack it in 0.0.
Go Uni! Give 'em hell.
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Brandwood
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Posted - 2008.05.25 20:56:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Stevens
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design.
You need to get off your high horse throwing out bug report numbers. This wouldn't be the first time a clueless bug hunter/game master claimed something was an exploit just to have it changed in a short time spam claiming it was an exploit. So I can go two quite humorous ways with this.
1. Petition a gm and escalate it until I get a GM to claim it is an exploit (Protip I'm not a priv and even more IAC gets decced by them enough for me to hate them) 2. You can give me the name of the Bug Hunter and I can say he called it legit to benifit himself in Ivy League and get a hold of Internal Affairs. They have an amazing turn around time (24-48 hours) and IA will get it fixed.
Your choice.
an intresting post.
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Gaius Weyland
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate The Omni Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:00:00 -
[143]
Congrats to the Ivy league
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Stevens
Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:02:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Brandwood an intresting post.
What do you mean?
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:30:00 -
[145]
Heh, there sure are a lot of spineless alts poasting in this here thread. I hope the Privateers find all your mains and dec them. And to the guy trying to insinuate that deccing people for badmouthing you on the forums is somehow lame: It's not.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Jita Mistress
Forge Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:03:00 -
[146]
PrivaTEARS, amirite?
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Stevens
Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:18:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Stevens on 25/05/2008 22:19:39 Started my 'crusade' of forcing CCPs hand by reporting http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=780616&page=2#49 for clearly not being a duplicate topic as Hooch didn't mention IVY.
Seriously talking about it on the forums doesn't get things done. Making every team in CCP look at the problem (mods, devs, gms, IA) means eventually they will get sick of dealing with the topic and actually take a real look at it. You should try it sometime.
Or as the goon said let goons do it so BoB can whine about it and get it fixed. Both are good solutions.
Edit: As a note to the mods there is nothing wrong with this post so please don't waste your time finding a hair brained reason to remove it, I don't like having to contact CCP to get obvious game issues fixed when the forum outrage should be enough but whatever gets stuff done.
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Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:21:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Swamp Ziro and then you wonder why we call you mentally challenged, the lot of you
Damn it, i was just about to post in the other thread and the mod locked it Anyway, here it goes:
Hhahahaahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahahaaaaaaa hhhhhhahahahaha Wait , waità YOU are calling US mentally challenged ? Oh boy, thatÆs a good one. If Privateers are mentally challenged, what does that make you , ah ? khuhhhhuhhhhhhaaaaaa hahaha . I will teach you how to insure yourself against empire wars if you show me how to get my Rorqual blown up by my own PoS guns. Oh and I am ready to pay double for the special TITAN Flip lesson ------
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Crazy Tasty
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:25:00 -
[149]
Give em hell Privs, been a while since Ivy was worth a damn anyway. ------ // This is by design. When a ship jumps through a gate, it clears all aggression. // - BH ******** Pew on gate, if it gets hot, jump through and Ctrl-Q. Game mechanic endorsed by CCP. |
Lithalnas
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:34:00 -
[150]
Privateers make eve what it is today, a rolling bar fight where even the restrooms have a party going on.
In ambulation will privateers organize giant *****slap-a-thons? Can i join one? -------------
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The Jackhammer
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 22:37:00 -
[151]
Edited by: The Jackhammer on 25/05/2008 22:37:23
Originally by: Lithalnas Privateers make eve what it is today, a rolling bar fight where even the restrooms have a party going on.
BEST analogy yet ....
3rd STALL is where ALL the action is ... BEST seat in the house
Thank-You,
The Jackhammer
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Clone 982
Condottieri
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Posted - 2008.05.26 00:16:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Clone 982 on 26/05/2008 00:16:47
Originally by: The Jackhammer Edited by: The Jackhammer on 25/05/2008 22:37:23
Originally by: Lithalnas Privateers make eve what it is today, a rolling bar fight where even the restrooms have a party going on.
BEST analogy yet ....
3rd STALL is where ALL the action is ... BEST seat in the house
PB/Jack
the whole "i'm shocked that anyone would do this" coming from you is bordering on the ridiculous, when you and thaylon sen ran The Confederation, you had Thaylon's corp war dec the alliance to push up the price of any wars against your carebears.
don't pretend to be holier than thou not that you've found "combat" (if station hugging can be called that) as soon as this mechanic was available you made full use of it. Milk n Cookies war with GM ? derelik wars with The lost souls, all had their prices increased by this.
you're no different.
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 00:17:00 -
[153]
Ok, the other thread is locked and the bar fight continues here then
As a public service to the Eve community, Privateers alliance presents...
Lets see now... since this is not at this time considered an exploit.
1. Create a shadow corp. I will call it "Ruse"
2. Have 19 or so alts join it.
3. Then have each of those alts leave and create a 1-man corps
4. All of those 1 man corps makes a dec (corps decing another corp is far cheaper than alliance to alliance)
5. After all the war decs are in place then have the shadow corp join the alliance that is trying to "war proof" it's self. It then drags all the cheap wars into the big alliance.
6. The alliance makes all the wars mutual and they are now bullet proof from most all empire based fighting.
7. You have now set in motion the entire end to all Mercenary wars decs in empire forever.
As I recall, "I-Mune" attempted this same ploy a few months ago and it was hammered down as an. dare I say... nope better not, I will just call it the "E" word.
Many of you are having a happy little laugh at us, but this is a loaded gun waiting to go off now for all like-minded empire pirating and merc corps and alliances. If you think not, think again.
All they have done is make sure empire is a happy little kiddy pool for isk farmers, macro miners, mission runners, or "school" for new players to play in where you can never touch them again.
Consider what it really means beyond you dislike of Privateers.
Hooch, voice crying in the wilderness
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Sean Avery
Northern Star Enterprises Northern Star Coalition
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Posted - 2008.05.26 00:49:00 -
[154]
Those who can....do Those who can't...teach
Keep on rocking Hooch
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Gojyu
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.05.26 00:58:00 -
[155]
Quote:
All they have done is make sure empire is a happy little kiddy pool for isk farmers, macro miners, mission runners, or "school" for new players to play in where you can never touch them again.
Your argument has one flaw, all of these types except the "school" will readily drop to an npc corp if they don't like the nasty mercs beating on their door, providing them with a safe haven in empire space.
Quote: Consider what it really means beyond you dislike of Privateers.
That's the thing. You've got to ask yourselves why people are relishing in this abuse of game mechanics. I put it to you that it could be the fact that the privateers have proudly abused any game mechanic under the sun that will allow them to wardec anyone they choose, and when they themselves are the victims of a possible exploit, they cry wolf to ccp and play the "ruining eve" card. The facts remain that: - The method IVY is using is not, currently, an exploit - They are free to use any non-exploitive means to attack their opposition - You are still able to wardec ivy, nothing is stopping you - CCP is aware of the issue, until they make a decision, all the forum posts in the world aren't going to stop ivy from using it
And lets just say the shoe was on the other foot, some privateer member found a way to use alt corps to create free wardecs, are you seriously trying to tell us the noble privateers would have no truck with potential exploits, and wouldn't use an inbuilt game mechanic to turn jita into a mass grave?
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Dr Badspunk
In Harms Way
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Posted - 2008.05.26 01:08:00 -
[156]
Originally by: The Hooch Ok, the other thread is locked and the bar fight continues here then
As a public service to the Eve community, Privateers alliance presents...
Lets see now... since this is not at this time considered an exploit.
1. Create a shadow corp. I will call it "Ruse"
2. Have 19 or so alts join it.
3. Then have each of those alts leave and create a 1-man corp
4. All of those 1 man corps makes a dec (corps decing another corp is far cheaper than alliance to alliance)
5. After all the war decs are in place then have the shadow corp join the alliance that is trying to "war proof" it's self. It then drags all the cheap wars into the big alliance.
6. The alliance makes all the wars mutual and they are now bullet proof from most all empire based fighting.
7. You have now set in motion the entire end to all Mercenary wars decs in empire forever.
As I recall, "I-Mune" attempted this same ploy a few months ago and it was hammered down as an. dare I say... nope better not, I will just call it the "E" word.
Many of you are having a happy little laugh at us, but this is a loaded gun waiting to go off now for all like-minded empire pirating and merc corps and alliances. If you think not, think again.
All they have done is make sure empire is a happy little kiddy pool for isk farmers, macro miners, mission runners, or "school" for new players to play in where you can never touch them again.
Consider what it really means beyond you dislike of Privateers.
Hooch, voice crying in the wilderness
All true.
Nevertheless, your emo Privateers-oh-no-we-taste-our-own-wardec-exploit-tears can now sustain the COAD until the boards close.
/me hears the sound of 11k Macro accounts renewing for the next 12 months. Oh wait no...
Hi - I Live in Jita
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The Jackhammer
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: The Jackhammer on 26/05/2008 01:13:44
Originally by: Clone 982 PB/Jack
the whole "i'm shocked that anyone would do this" coming from you is bordering on the ridiculous, when you and thaylon sen ran The Confederation, you had Thaylon's corp war dec the alliance to push up the price of any wars against your carebears.
don't pretend to be holier than thou not that you've found "combat" (if station hugging can be called that) as soon as this mechanic was available you made full use of it. Milk n Cookies war with GM ? derelik wars with The lost souls, all had their prices increased by this.
you're no different.
Do I know you ? Please refresh my memory with some chat logs ... THAT was OVER 3.5 years ago ...
Thank-You,
The Jackhammer
Banners and Signatures by: Kalen Vox
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 01:19:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Gojyu
Quote:
All they have done is make sure empire is a happy little kiddy pool for isk farmers, macro miners, mission runners, or "school" for new players to play in where you can never touch them again.
Your argument has one flaw, all of these types except the "school" will readily drop to an npc corp if they don't like the nasty mercs beating on their door, providing them with a safe haven in empire space.
Quote: Consider what it really means beyond you dislike of Privateers.
That's the thing. You've got to ask yourselves why people are relishing in this abuse of game mechanics. I put it to you that it could be the fact that the privateers have proudly abused any game mechanic under the sun that will allow them to wardec anyone they choose, and when they themselves are the victims of a possible exploit, they cry wolf to ccp and play the "ruining eve" card. The facts remain that:- The method IVY is using is not, currently, an exploit - They are free to use any non-exploitive means to attack their opposition - You are still able to wardec ivy, nothing is stopping you - CCP is aware of the issue, until they make a decision, all the forum posts in the world aren't going to stop ivy from using it
And lets just say the shoe was on the other foot, some privateer member found a way to use alt corps to create free wardecs, are you seriously trying to tell us the noble privateers would have no truck with potential exploits, and wouldn't use an inbuilt game mechanic to turn jita into a mass grave?
I did not write the code for the game, I did not lay out the rules that the game said I could play by, so explain how we have exploited any damn thing in this game.
Also, no the hell we would not and would boot any corp that did and have ever tried. We play by the game rules as CCP made them. 172 wars was permitted in our hay day, it seemed out of hand so they "fixed" it. In the process they never finished it, even though we explained a year ago to them that this would happen.
We have NEVER played out side of the games' rules, we have never used the rules to get cheap wars, we have never tried to immue the alliance from other alliances. On the other hand you are a **** for implying we have.
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benzy
Aetas Inculta
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Posted - 2008.05.26 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: The Hooch I did not write the code for the game, I did not lay out the rules that the game said I could play by, so explain how we have exploited any damn thing in this game.
Also, no the hell we would not and would boot any corp that did and have ever tried. We play by the game rules as CCP made them. 172 wars was permitted in our hay day, it seemed out of hand so they "fixed" it. In the process they never finished it, even though we explained a year ago to them that this would happen.
We have NEVER played out side of the games' rules, we have never used the rules to get cheap wars, we have never tried to immue the alliance from other alliances. On the other hand you are a **** for implying we have.
Seriously, CCP completely rewrote the way wardecs work because of your "threading the needle" with regards to game mechanics. An antic, I might add, that went on for quite a long time before it was rectified.
Ivy League figured out a way to thread the new needle, and stick it square up your ass in the process. While I hope the mechanics change so that this is no longer possible, I also hope they get to bend you over for the same length of time it took for CCP to fix the prior wardec issues that came about with Privateers.
If ANYONE DESERVES THIS IT IS YOU.
You earned this no lube first prison date experience, and I sincerely hope it takes the wardens a good long time to get around to checking your cell.
benzy
P.S. Please fix this, CCP. Fix it sloooooooooooooowly though. It shouldn't be a priority, more like an agenda for next quarter or something.
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Gojyu
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.05.26 01:33:00 -
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Quote: I did not write the code for the game, I did not lay out the rules that the game said I could play by, so explain how we have exploited any damn thing in this game.
You haven't, you'll notice that I never once accused you of exploiting game mechanics. Neither have Eve-u
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Also, no the hell we would not and would boot any corp that did and have ever tried. We play by the game rules as CCP made them. 172 wars was permitted in our hay day, it seemed out of hand so they "fixed" it. In the process they never finished it, even though we explained a year ago to them that this would happen.
Exactly what eve-u is doing. If I remember, the exact same argument that you are using now (it's going to ruin eve, it's obviously an exploit, so they shouldn't do it) was used against you when you were able to wardec 172 corps. The thing is, you didn't stop until ccp fixed it, so why does your alliance complain on the forums when someone else does it?
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We have NEVER played out side of the games' rules, we have never used the rules to get cheap wars, we have never tried to immue the alliance from other alliances. On the other hand you are a **** for implying we have.
See above statement. I also didn't imply you have done these things, I'm saying you would if given the chance. I apologise if you believe in your corp's integrity more strongly than I do, but I think it's a bit much for the privateers to be playing the holier than thou card.
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Leto Becken
Blue Cloud Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: The Hooch I did not write the code for the game, I did not lay out the rules that the game said I could play by, so explain how we have exploited any damn thing in this game.
So does Eve-Uni, currently their method is not a exploit, so please, before you get upset about people saying you've exploited the game realize you are doing the same thing in this very thread.
Originally by: The Hooch 172 wars was permitted in our hay day, it seemed out of hand so they "fixed" it.
Again, what Eve-Uni has done is permitted, and if the devs feel it's out of hand, they will fix it, like they did to you. If you want to do something about, speak directly to the gm team/devs as best you can, forum posts in CAOD are flamebait and you know it.
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Sean Avery
Northern Star Enterprises Northern Star Coalition
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Posted - 2008.05.26 01:39:00 -
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Wow look at all the butthurt carebears
Keep ridin dirty Privs
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 01:49:00 -
[163]
This was the ONLY Smack Free AND Intelligent post concerning this subject I had to quote BECAUSE it was in a thread that was locked ...
Originally by: Havohej
When did PRVTR bend the rules? Once upon a time, there were 4 noobs who joined a corp called jR Mafia (Yeah, I know, should've known better to begin with). There was a disagreement with the CEO and he kept giving and removing roles, to lock us into the corporation so he could freely gank us with his Rapier (we were all under 2M SP and flying poorly fitted cruisers at the time, about 2 weeks into the game for all of us... he never did manage to catch and kill any of us despite this). So, we each petitioned for Harassment and were moved to the NPC corp by the GMs - okay, great.
We then decided that, instead of risk joining another corp and having another complete jerk like that for a CEO, we'd just do our own thing... so we make our own new corp. Well, doesn't that jerk wardec us, with the intent being nothing more than to continue his harassment and/or griefing. So, we petitioned it... the GM reply was "You may wardec for any reason or no reason at all. This isn't harassment. Regards, GM xxxxxx" This was before the P-Alliance nerf patch that made the wardec system what it is now.
This was a sobering reality check about EVE-Online. It took a few days, but I was able to get the dude to chill the hell out for ten minutes so we could talk the issue out, clear the air, and he ended up retracting the wardec and leaving us alone.
The POINT here is, even when they wardec'd all of EVE, PRVTR weren't bending or even breaking any rules. They still aren't.
Ivy League, on the other hand, might just be. Look at iMune Empire. When they did what they did, they petitioned the GM staff and asked if what they were doing was okay, and they were told 'yes, this is fine - it's within the game mechanics.' Then, they actually did it. And what happened then is well-known history: it was declared to be an exploit of the game mechanics. It was stated that, even though it was within the game mechanics to do what iMune Empire was doing, that game mechanic was never intended to be used to avoid conflict, but only to allow smaller entities to merge into larger entities in order to get help in fighting through their conflict. The banstick was brandished and people stopped doing it.
Is what Ivy League is doing here with their 18 or however many 1-man alt corps an exploit? That is, are they using a game mechanic that was designed to keep people from declaring war on all of EVE to prevent people from declaring war on themselves, thus using a game mechanic in a way that is very much contrary to the intent of the developers? I think that's a very obvious 'yes'.
Will it be changed just for this? To be honest, I doubt it. However, I do believe that as more and more people use this trick to make wardec'ing them cost 1b or more per week, thus rendering the Corporation War system completely inert, it will be changed. It's only a matter of time and how widely abused it is.
So enjoy it while it lasts... as much as you're enjoying PRVTR's 'tears' now, they'll be enjoying yours even more a few months from now.
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Absorb this folks .. cuz he is wise ....
Thanks,
PB
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Tormenta Noche
Tormenta Noche Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 01:59:00 -
[164]
Originally by: The PitBoss This was the ONLY Smack Free AND Intelligent post concerning this subject I had to quote BECAUSE it was in a thread that was locked ...
That is, are they using a game mechanic that was designed to keep people from declaring war on all of EVE to prevent people from declaring war on themselves, thus using a game mechanic in a way that is very much contrary to the intent of the developers? I think that's a very obvious 'yes'.
The method employed by Ivy does not prevent a war dec. It simply makes it more expensive. That's all.
Tormenta Noche
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 02:02:00 -
[165]
You earned this no lube first prison date experience, and I sincerely hope it takes the wardens a good long time to get around to checking your cell.
Now this is a bar fight, you seem to know of such things, please explain.
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 02:24:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: X3k5 Edited by: X3k5 on 25/05/2008 14:46:28
Originally by: Kyle Frost To IVY: When the rabbit makes short turns to get away from the wolf, that doesnÆt make the wolf stop chasing it û it just ****es him off. I will see you around boys
Youve touched the analogy so I figured I should complete it. The rabbit gets his friends together and cuts out the wolf's belly. Now if the wolf wants to chase after the rabbit, he's free to and in doing so bleed/starve to death or the wolf can cut his losses and accept defeat.
This is it. The worst post on all of CAOD for 2008. See how it tries very hard to be witty and tough and intimidating, talking of rabbits who band together and cut out wolf bellies. See how it claims that this is part of an analogy.
Also see how it falls flat on its face into a fetid puddle of failure. There is no analogy here. There is only a carebear, pounding his chest vicariously through someone else's abuse of a game mechanic.
First thing, he started the analogy and I just replied, so stop kissing privateer ass. As for how it applies -- Perhaps a lesson in english for you. Analogy = "similarity or comparability". Now lets compare, shall we?
Its clear from Mr Frost's post that the rabbit is "Eve University" and the wolf is "Privateers". Fair enough. "The rabbit gets his friends together" - Kelduum said his friends created the alt corps. "cuts out the wolf's belly" - the ISK they'll have to pay. "Now if the wolf wants to chase after the rabbit, he's free to and in doing so bleed/starve to death" - They will most definitely bleeding ISK and starving when they start running low on ISK after paying 1B a week, wont you agree? "wolf can cut his losses and accept defeat." - That just means that Privateers can walk away.
Perhaps this lesson has improved your understanding of a language I like to call English.
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 04:08:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Sean Avery Wow look at all the butthurt carebears
Keep ridin dirty Privs
Have no fear on that point, we ain't nearly done yet.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 04:11:00 -
[168]
I seem to recall a similar situation going on right now. Nexia Nexcis is having a ***** of a time trying to stop corphoppers from evading wardecs, and people who make a ton of alt corps then play corphop round-robin. Because these people are paying the money to make the corps, this is allowed by CCP, though the grief brigade hates it. IVY has developed a way for the Privateers to have to pay through the nose to sustain their 8 week long grief war. Again, IVY is having to themselves pay to do this. Seems fair to me.
PAY THE RANSOM (to Concord), Hooch. This week is 1 Billion. Care to see how much it is next week? -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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Vance Rezak
Band of the Damned Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 04:28:00 -
[169]
Edited by: Vance Rezak on 26/05/2008 04:29:08 Well as much as I hate to say it there is another solution based on currently allowable game mechanics. The dec can be dropped and Ivy allowed to think they can bring thier carebear activities back online which costs nothing. Then take advantage of our other character slots to make suicide alts and kill thier now un suspecting and undocked freighters and miners. This seems a bit shady to me as the victim doesn't see it comming but under the current circumstance I guess that would be thier fault eh... and think should prove profitable as well, I kind of like this idea more and more.... got a way to stop that Ivy?
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Karbowiak
Anoint Malice.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 04:35:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Karbowiak on 26/05/2008 04:35:27 Its a wrong move by the Ivy League, however - its also ****ty from other corps to wardec them when all they do is teach new players.
But who am i to say whats right and whats wrong.. lol
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TeufelsBeitrag
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 06:21:00 -
[171]
It doesnt matter if you like Privateers or not, what Ivy does is an abuse of game mechanics and lame. The wardec system was sure as hell not supposed to give rich alliances an advantage against empire wars.
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fugazii
Deep Space Productions
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Posted - 2008.05.26 06:35:00 -
[172]
If your interested in killing new players, why not just skip the wardec's and sit outside Kisogo station next to a can named "FREE EPIC LOOTZ!!!" ?
"There is nothing they can do to counter 5000 f*****g Goons logged in and ready to go." - darius JOHNSON |
Mo adib
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Posted - 2008.05.26 06:46:00 -
[173]
Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag It doesnt matter if you like Privateers or not, what Ivy does is an abuse of game mechanics and lame. The wardec system was sure as hell not supposed to give rich alliances an advantage against empire wars.
do you realize the irony in complaining about a noob corp using an unintended but not exploit use of game mechanics to hite privateers.
cause if not you need to work on your history lesson and realize that privateers were created for an unintended use of game mechanics to gank noobs and carebears all day long.
tbo I dont believe in karma but this is still fitting, and their tears on the forums are fricking hilarious; this coming from someone they have never killed on any chars so if you think I am one of said bitter carebears you need to think again.
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.26 07:53:00 -
[174]
I love how the idiots who are bashing the Privateers, are so god damn short sighted. The reason you are bashing the Privateers is because it is the Privateers who are brining this issue up. If you look beyond the two sides participating in this conflict, and can't see why its bad, you are a moron.
This is a exploit, it is pretty clear, they are using game mechanics in a unintended way to benefit themselves.
we are recruiting!
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:14:00 -
[175]
I think the purpose of Concord is to provide a place of relative safety so new people can learn to play the game or those that have been devastated in conquerable space can fall back to regroup and rebuild.
I find the cold spiteful wars aimed solely at destroying the enjoyment of the game for people to be out of place in EVE. CCP have rules on harassment which they do not police and Privateer's Alliance and other big alliances have crossed the line on many occasions and CCP has done nothing about it.
Your chip on your shoulder about Ivy League is nothing short of pathetic. I have no toons in Ivy League or have ever been any toons in Ivy League, I learnt about the game before I knew they existed but think it is a great learning tool and they have helped to generate a lot of competent players.
EVE has a very heavy learning curve and they make it a bit easier for people to learn about the game, the noob corps are utterly useless as they are usually filled with BoB or Goons alts depending on whoever is getting bent over at the time.
I am happy to see the "feature" removed as long as CCP come down on your alliance for harassment. You don't war for any purpose that has a place in the game. If you hate them, fine, destroy them everywhere other than Empire or attack them in Empire where there is consequence to your actions.
Perhaps they have gone to extremes to provide the same kind of environment open to most newer players to learn about the game. There is nothing stopping you blowing ships up without the protection of a wardec, Goons have done enough damage in Empire without declaring war on anyone.
If your spite runs as deep as you make it to be then have the stones to continue the war without the blessing of Concord. Or is PA only interested in ganking loners in nano gangs within the safety of empire space?
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:23:00 -
[176]
Edited by: Veldya on 26/05/2008 08:23:17
Originally by: Inertial I love how the idiots who are bashing the Privateers, are so god damn short sighted. The reason you are bashing the Privateers is because it is the Privateers who are brining this issue up. If you look beyond the two sides participating in this conflict, and can't see why its bad, you are a moron.
This is a exploit, it is pretty clear, they are using game mechanics in a unintended way to benefit themselves.
Wars assume there are two sides, when just one side is interesting in slaughtering a bunch of new players for no logical purpose other than to drive them to the point they no longer wish to play the game then that falls under harassment and is not an accepted part of EVE.
I see no reason to fix an insignificant loophole to allow someone to harass another. Nobody would go to the expense or effort to avoid wardecs for any other purpose, it is not like you can't suicide gank ships in high-sec without a wardec.
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Brandwood
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:28:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Vance Rezak Edited by: Vance Rezak on 26/05/2008 04:29:08 Well as much as I hate to say it there is another solution based on currently allowable game mechanics. The dec can be dropped and Ivy allowed to think they can bring thier carebear activities back online which costs nothing. Then take advantage of our other character slots to make suicide alts and kill thier now un suspecting and undocked freighters and miners. This seems a bit shady to me as the victim doesn't see it comming but under the current circumstance I guess that would be thier fault eh... and think should prove profitable as well, I kind of like this idea more and more.... got a way to stop that Ivy?
A bit shady? The whole making suicide alts thing is an exploit in itself but GG for suggesting that's what yer gonna do on a public forum :)
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Sani Ka
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 09:10:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Inertial I love how the idiots who are bashing the Privateers, are so god damn short sighted. The reason you are bashing the Privateers is because it is the Privateers who are brining this issue up. If you look beyond the two sides participating in this conflict, and can't see why its bad, you are a moron.
This is a exploit, it is pretty clear, they are using game mechanics in a unintended way to benefit themselves.
no to be honest we are bashing privateers because empire wars are like the little kiddie playground, and these muppets are having a fit in there minisandbox.
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.26 09:43:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Veldya Edited by: Veldya on 26/05/2008 08:23:17
Originally by: Inertial I love how the idiots who are bashing the Privateers, are so god damn short sighted. The reason you are bashing the Privateers is because it is the Privateers who are brining this issue up. If you look beyond the two sides participating in this conflict, and can't see why its bad, you are a moron.
This is a exploit, it is pretty clear, they are using game mechanics in a unintended way to benefit themselves.
Wars assume there are two sides, when just one side is interesting in slaughtering a bunch of new players for no logical purpose other than to drive them to the point they no longer wish to play the game then that falls under harassment and is not an accepted part of EVE.
I see no reason to fix an insignificant loophole to allow someone to harass another. Nobody would go to the expense or effort to avoid wardecs for any other purpose, it is not like you can't suicide gank ships in high-sec without a wardec.
Who says there are no logical purpose? Besides, blackmailing isk is a logical purpose.
we are recruiting!
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.26 09:44:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Sani Ka
Originally by: Inertial I love how the idiots who are bashing the Privateers, are so god damn short sighted. The reason you are bashing the Privateers is because it is the Privateers who are brining this issue up. If you look beyond the two sides participating in this conflict, and can't see why its bad, you are a moron.
This is a exploit, it is pretty clear, they are using game mechanics in a unintended way to benefit themselves.
no to be honest we are bashing privateers because empire wars are like the little kiddie playground, and these muppets are having a fit in there minisandbox.
Why is High-sec wars the "little kiddie" playground? Where are the big kiddies playground?
we are recruiting!
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Is forporn
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 09:46:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Inertial Why is High-sec wars the "little kiddie" playground? Where are the big kiddies playground?
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:22:00 -
[182]
Originally by: X3k5
This is it. The worst post on all of CAOD for 2008. See how it tries very hard to be witty and tough and intimidating, talking of rabbits who band together and cut out wolf bellies. See how it claims that this is part of an analogy.
Also see how it falls flat on its face into a fetid puddle of failure. There is no analogy here. There is only a carebear, pounding his chest vicariously through someone else's abuse of a game mechanic.
First thing, he started the analogy and I just replied, so stop kissing privateer ass. As for how it applies -- Perhaps a lesson in english for you. Analogy = "similarity or comparability". Now lets compare, shall we?
Its clear from Mr Frost's post that the rabbit is "Eve University" and the wolf is "Privateers". Fair enough. "The rabbit gets his friends together" - Kelduum said his friends created the alt corps. "cuts out the wolf's belly" - the ISK they'll have to pay. "Now if the wolf wants to chase after the rabbit, he's free to and in doing so bleed/starve to death" - They will most definitely be bleeding ISK and starving when they start running low on ISK after paying 1B a week, wont you agree? "wolf can cut his losses and accept defeat." - That just means that Privateers can walk away.
Perhaps this lesson has improved your understanding of a language I like to call English.
Wrong. Here is the definition of "analogy":
Originally by: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogy 1.a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.
An analogy requires 'like features' as a prerequisite for comparison. Rabbits do not band together and cut out the bellies of anything, let alone wolves. There is no 'like feature' between the relationship of rabbits and wolves and the relationship of PRVTR and IVY. None at all. Your analogy isn't an analogy at all.
Originally by: Havohej Also see how it falls flat on its face into a fetid puddle of failure. There is no analogy here. There is only a carebear, pounding his chest vicariously through someone else's abuse of a game mechanic.
Turns out I was right the first time. You remind me of that mexican Cowboy in the beginning of the movie Tombstone. The one who fails to correctly translate the words spoken by the Mexican priest when Curly Bill asks what the man said. Johnny Ringo then tells him "Your Spanish is worse than your English." If English is your first language, you're terrible at it. If it's not your first language, study more - you're almost there.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: The Hooch on 26/05/2008 13:33:24 I would like to see some CCP reflections on this issue at some point in this thread.
Love us or hate us, this has long term concerns for mercs and pirate alike. Setting aside Privateers all suck and Ivy are as pure as new fallen snow sideshows.
I think its' time for real thoughts from the devs.
Hooch
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:35:00 -
[184]
Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 26/05/2008 13:33:24 I would like to see some CCP reflections on this issue at some point in this thread.
Love us or hate us, this has long term concerns for mercs and pirate alike. Setting aside Privateers all suck and Ivy are as pure as new fallen snow sideshows.
I think its' time for real thoughts from the devs.
Hooch
You think devs will get into a barfight ?
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:38:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Raffael Ramirez
Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 26/05/2008 13:33:24 I would like to see some CCP reflections on this issue at some point in this thread.
Love us or hate us, this has long term concerns for mercs and pirate alike. Setting aside Privateers all suck and Ivy are as pure as new fallen snow sideshows.
I think its' time for real thoughts from the devs.
Hooch
You think devs will get into a barfight ?
Well, we can hope
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:40:00 -
[186]
Originally by: The Hooch
Originally by: Raffael Ramirez
Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 26/05/2008 13:33:24 I would like to see some CCP reflections on this issue at some point in this thread.
Love us or hate us, this has long term concerns for mercs and pirate alike. Setting aside Privateers all suck and Ivy are as pure as new fallen snow sideshows.
I think its' time for real thoughts from the devs.
Hooch
You think devs will get into a barfight ?
Well, we can hope
TomBs nerf bat would hurt..
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Draximus Cane
Infected.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:16:00 -
[187]
To be honest Hooch as a very valid point.
When Privs were in their heyday all the empire dwellers bemoaned Hooch's tactics of increasing his war target options as they did not feel it fell in with the spirit of the game.
Now those very same people use tactics to do the opposite.
Hypocrisy springs to mind!
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TeufelsBeitrag
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:18:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Mo adib
Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag It doesnt matter if you like Privateers or not, what Ivy does is an abuse of game mechanics and lame. The wardec system was sure as hell not supposed to give rich alliances an advantage against empire wars.
do you realize the irony in complaining about a noob corp using an unintended but not exploit use of game mechanics to hite privateers.
cause if not you need to work on your history lesson and realize that privateers were created for an unintended use of game mechanics to gank noobs and carebears all day long.
tbo I dont believe in karma but this is still fitting, and their tears on the forums are fricking hilarious; this coming from someone they have never killed on any chars so if you think I am one of said bitter carebears you need to think again.
The abuse of game mechanics is still there and just because they use it against Privateers doesnt make it okay. Its really funny how such things are okay for people, just because they are not affected.
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:25:00 -
[189]
Person 1: 1+1=2!
Person 2: Don't listen to Person 1! He molests children!
Is person 1s statement invalidated by Person 2s counter statement?
we are recruiting!
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benzy
Aetas Inculta
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:40:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Draximus Cane To be honest Hooch as a very valid point.
When Privs were in their heyday all the empire dwellers bemoaned Hooch's tactics of increasing his war target options as they did not feel it fell in with the spirit of the game.
Now those very same people use tactics to do the opposite.
Hypocrisy springs to mind!
Big difference: It took forever for CCP to get around to acknowledging that it wasn't within the spirit of the game.
Back then, all the war-dec happy alliances cried that everything was balanced, and everyone should shut up and take it.
Now, all the war-dec happy folks are crying that this needs to be fixed NOW NOW NOW.
Karma wise, I hope it gets fixed, but it takes CCP just as long to fix it as it did the first go around.
In all honesty though, E-Uni has done nothing to make themselves immune to war-decs.
You can still go down and war-dec them today. Oh, can't pay the fee now? That's too friggin bad. Really, I don't feel sorry one bit for an alliance that repeatedly, for no other reason than their own fun; war-decs an alliance, then whines about that alliance figuring a way to hurt them back.
It's War. E-Uni brought their wallet into the fight. Either bring yours, or go home and have a cry about it.
benzy
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Steintz
Mercenary Forces Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:00:00 -
[191]
Originally by: benzy "Really, I don't feel sorry one bit for an alliance that repeatedly, for no other reason than their own fun; war-decs an alliance.."
I let this stand alone .... Thought this was eve-war were all about .. fun.. Could be mistaken though. But what is it for then?
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benzy
Aetas Inculta
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:25:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Steintz
Originally by: benzy "Really, I don't feel sorry one bit for an alliance that repeatedly, for no other reason than their own fun; war-decs an alliance.."
I let this stand alone .... Thought this was eve-war were all about .. fun.. Could be mistaken though. But what is it for then?
Let's see, you wardec an alliance that doesn't find it fun, but you do.
Alliance then figures out a way to hurt you back. It is fun for them, but not for you.
Situation is perfectly balanced.
The war-dec fee is there to make sure that wars are not declared for no reason. When your reason is "fun" and the other side raises the stakes (in this case by raising the cost), then the ball is in your court with regards to continuing to have your version of fun against them.
Either chuck up the cash, or take your ball and go home.
TL/DR version: STOP WHINING
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:32:00 -
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Quote: It's War. E-Uni brought their wallet into the fight. Either bring yours, or go home and have a cry about it.
No need to cry about it, I could re-new this war out of my own funds in a New York minute many times over, as well as our own war chest in the alliance. Also, you would be suprised at how many offers we are getting to simply call the bluff from outside alliances and indivduals.
Being very honest, even I thought our wars back in the day was over the top. Many us expressed concerns that a the nerf bat was coming down hard. The patch did wittle us down a great deal, but it did not kill us off as many hoped that it would.
Now, with this counter to us in the area of isk, I see it as nothing any different than what we were "adjusted" for. I will grant Ivy credit for being creative enough to come up with it, but that being said it is still no less an end run around us and the extended implications are possible game breaking in this area on many levels.
I am confident that CCP will address this issue but for the time being it does make for great forum fun, don't you think?
Hooch, are my Priva-Tears sweet?
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:44:00 -
[194]
Quote: The war-dec fee is there to make sure that wars are not declared for no reason
Oh for goodness sake, its a game for crying out loud! I don't have to have a reason or a goal, or victory conditions. I blow up other players ships and sell the loot for income, and they do it to me. I never complain about getting podded, it comes with the game play.
The first day I downloaded Eve I read "Death comes to us all" and so far that is the truest aspect of this game. Even when I was mining at first I got killed by lowsec pirates, after that I moved to Fountain Alliance, got podded there by BoB for 2 years and podded them too. Now I just do the same thing in empire, nothing is really all that different, only the security status of the system and now I have to give the target a warning that we are coming for them with a war dec. In lowsec and .0 you don't even get that.
You don't have to have any reason for anything in this game, ain't it great?
Hooch
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Vance Rezak
Band of the Damned Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:00:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Vance Rezak on 26/05/2008 16:02:05
Originally by: Brandwood
Originally by: Vance Rezak Edited by: Vance Rezak on 26/05/2008 04:29:08 Well as much as I hate to say it there is another solution based on currently allowable game mechanics. The dec can be dropped and Ivy allowed to think they can bring thier carebear activities back online which costs nothing. Then take advantage of our other character slots to make suicide alts and kill thier now un suspecting and undocked freighters and miners. This seems a bit shady to me as the victim doesn't see it comming but under the current circumstance I guess that would be thier fault eh... and think should prove profitable as well, I kind of like this idea more and more.... got a way to stop that Ivy?
A bit shady? The whole making suicide alts thing is an exploit in itself but GG for suggesting that's what yer gonna do on a public forum :)
I may be mistaken but my understanding of suicide ganking is this... as long as you do not recycle the characters after or grief the same player over and over for no other reason than to do so and understand that concord will kill you then under current mechanics it's acceptable. I may not be 100% on the exact terms but we all see suiciding happen every day so there is an established view on it currently that if you follow the guidlines it is not an exploit.... That bieng said I have plenty of accounts and character slots so no recycling needed and I only want a few of your freighters so constant harrasment isn't an issue either so... you have any other complaints about valid tactics as you call them? Oh and since catchy phrases like Privatears are the flavor of the day I'm liking the sound of Uni Bombers
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:31:00 -
[196]
Edited by: X3k5 on 26/05/2008 16:34:57
Originally by: Havohej
Wrong. Here is the definition of "analogy":
Originally by: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogy 1.a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.
An analogy requires 'like features' as a prerequisite for comparison. Rabbits do not band together and cut out the bellies of anything, let alone wolves. There is no 'like feature' between the relationship of rabbits and wolves and the relationship of PRVTR and IVY. None at all. Your analogy isn't an analogy at all.
Originally by: Havohej Also see how it falls flat on its face into a fetid puddle of failure. There is no analogy here. There is only a carebear, pounding his chest vicariously through someone else's abuse of a game mechanic.
Turns out I was right the first time. You remind me of that mexican Cowboy in the beginning of the movie Tombstone. The one who fails to correctly translate the words spoken by the Mexican priest when Curly Bill asks what the man said. Johnny Ringo then tells him "Your Spanish is worse than your English." If English is your first language, you're terrible at it. If it's not your first language, study more - you're almost there.
EDIT: Fixed broken quote.
If you would bother to read your own source then perhaps you would realize your mistake.
Analogy has different meanings. Perhaps you dont know that a lot of words in english have multiple meanings. Now go back to the site you quoted from and look at Meaning 2. Read what it says. 2.similarity or comparability
Exactly what I said the first time and you said wrong, so who's wrong now? Do I have to exlain the meaning of comparability as well?
And you seem like a privateer kiss-ass who is trying to use invalid arguments to negate other people's comments. Now go learn to read before posting. :)
As for my English, my RL credentials allow me to say that Im pretty good and I believe this is an analogy If you dont believe me, go ask your English teacher if this is an analogy or not.
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Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:37:00 -
[197]
Oh no , no ! You don't get to teach lessons in English or analogy - not with a char name like yours. ------
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:39:00 -
[198]
And typical Privateers. No constructive argument to make so lets bring in something totally unrelated.
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:41:00 -
[199]
Take the english peens elsewhere, this is my soapbox.
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:42:00 -
[200]
Originally by: X3k5 And typical Privateers. No constructive argument to make so lets bring in something totally unrelated.
So stop post in the thread you will sleep better?
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:44:00 -
[201]
I sleep better knowing that Privateers got beaten at their own game(war-decs)
And I didnt start the english pvp. I just added to Mr. Frost's analogy.
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:51:00 -
[202]
Originally by: X3k5 I sleep better knowing that Privateers got beaten at their own game(war-decs)
And I didnt start the english pvp. I just added to Mr. Frost's analogy.
We ain't beaten just yet, for every move there is a counter move, they have not seen it yet. It may very well keep the thread alive for a few more days.
We have a few "rules lawers" as well.
Cheers
Hooch
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Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:51:00 -
[203]
Originally by: X3k5 I sleep better knowing that Privateers got beaten at their own game(war-decs)
And I didnt start the english pvp. I just added to Mr. Frost's analogy.
Unrelated ?! The relation is very simple û you can not expect a man who comes up with an original name like X3k5 to show a great understanding of English language, let alone analogy. So I donÆt understand why the other poster bothers to argue with you. And whatÆs your deal anyway ? So we deced your alliance a few times, you probably lost some ships û get over it. Oh waità wait , I am sorry û thatÆs probably too much to ask. Keep gloating while you still can. ------
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Profhet
Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:55:00 -
[204]
I must be missing something cause I haven't done any griefing in my brief time with the Privateers.
If anything it involves alot of scouting, and sitting in station deciding if I should undock and face possibly a 1versus 3-8. Every time I do show info on Ivy targets, it isnt nubs in kestrels, its respectably made up gangs. I have have shot exactly 1 hauler which was empty :(.
You all (with your alts) are talking out of your asses about something you have no idea about.
All the people crying about Privatears picking on Ivy, NOTHING, REPEAT NOTHING is stopping you all from joining Ivy and helping them out,hell use some of these alts for something other than clueless trash talking.OR grow some e-***** and war dec us like Dead Parrot Shoppe.
BUT I will say it has been the most fun I have had in Eve, it is what Eve should be for everybody imho, lots of shooting with no lag.
I respect the people that live in 0.0, I can't stand to do it anymore, it takes too much patience and the targets can go from scarce to overwhelming.
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MAXSuicide
The Ludovico Technique
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:56:00 -
[205]
Originally by: X3k5 And typical Privateers. No constructive argument to make so lets bring in something totally unrelated.
Have u actually read what this thread is about?
..i think ur one of those bandwagon whiner anti-privateer folk tbh. Go away.
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:59:00 -
[206]
Edited by: X3k5 on 26/05/2008 17:05:16
I know Mr Hooch, Im waiting to see what happens further. But right now they beat you :) Now its your turn to fight back. If you read my previous posts, I myself believe that the tactic should be declared an exploit.
As for the name Mr Frost, I have a very good reason for it and I do not need to explain my fictional name in a Fantasy game to you and it has nothing to do with my english language ability. Infact unless you have a degree in English, my English is credentially better than yours.
EDIT: Oh and I havent lost a single ship to you, so I have no personal vendetta against you. I just happen to favour the uni a little(though I dont approve of this tactic).
MAXSuicide, your post happens to be exactly on topic
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 17:15:00 -
[207]
It's an exploit. Petition it and let CCP sort it out.
You'll be able to shoot them again in a bit I suspect.
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Claudius Tiberius
Sylph Investments and Banking Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 17:21:00 -
[208]
Edited by: Claudius Tiberius on 26/05/2008 17:21:43 Seems Eve University is simply using Concord bureaucracy against their targets. It's not cheating, it's metagaming, which is something we all do.
Wardecking half of Eve was something that some people saw as exploiting the wardec system, stop *****ing if other people pull a similair number on you.
Ps. Look at it like a financial victory, now you don't have to blow up ships to do billions of damages.
Ps. ffs sylph, kick my alt from your alliance, im not in there anymore...
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Carrier Eleven
EVE Posting Service
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Posted - 2008.05.26 18:03:00 -
[209]
Originally by: The Hooch whine whine cry whine
Heh, turnabout is fair play as they say. I agree CCP needs to fix this. I just hope they drag their feet on it like they did with the war dec fix. We can all float away on a river of Privateer tears.
/me gets a boat
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Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.26 18:11:00 -
[210]
What is it with all those alt throwing mud here ?
Go hug some roids or post with your mains!
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.05.26 18:30:00 -
[211]
Edited by: Faife on 26/05/2008 18:30:40 Is there a price cap on wars? Cause ivy should really push it into the 32 billion per week range. It would be a pretty epic war.
Mail me in game, I'll chip in for that.
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Stevens
Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.26 18:43:00 -
[212]
Edited by: Stevens on 26/05/2008 18:54:03
Originally by: Stevens
Started my 'crusade' of forcing CCPs hand by reporting http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=780616&page=2#49 for clearly not being a duplicate topic as Hooch didn't mention IVY.
Seriously talking about it on the forums doesn't get things done. Making every team in CCP look at the problem (mods, devs, gms, IA) means eventually they will get sick of dealing with the topic and actually take a real look at it. You should try it sometime.
I know quoting myself is weird but whatever.
Originally by: Christian Danhill
Hi,
This situation has been classed as an exploit, therefore the thread will not be opened.
Best regards, Christian Danhill Community Manager
Wonder how Ivy will respond to this.
Edit:
Originally by: Faife ^^ quoting of GM communications above me
Quoting Non GM communications :)
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.05.26 18:47:00 -
[213]
^^ quoting of GM communications above me
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.26 20:02:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Stevens Edited by: Stevens on 26/05/2008 18:54:03
Originally by: Stevens
Started my 'crusade' of forcing CCPs hand by reporting http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=780616&page=2#49 for clearly not being a duplicate topic as Hooch didn't mention IVY.
Seriously talking about it on the forums doesn't get things done. Making every team in CCP look at the problem (mods, devs, gms, IA) means eventually they will get sick of dealing with the topic and actually take a real look at it. You should try it sometime.
I know quoting myself is weird but whatever.
Originally by: Christian Danhill
Hi,
This situation has been classed as an exploit, therefore the thread will not be opened.
Best regards, Christian Danhill Community Manager
Wonder how Ivy will respond to this.
Edit:
Originally by: Faife ^^ quoting of GM communications above me
Quoting Non GM communications :)
CCP should state as much to us here on the forums, tbh.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.26 20:22:00 -
[215]
So one non-GM has said it's kosher, and one non-GM has said it's not. Could we get a coin toss to decide it? -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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Sunshine Katy
Patricia Lane Partners
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Posted - 2008.05.26 20:38:00 -
[216]
I'm really disappointed in Eve Uni for doing this. It just stinks.
I would have thought you were bigger than this.
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Stevens
Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.26 21:21:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke So one non-GM has said it's kosher, and one non-GM has said it's not. Could we get a coin toss to decide it?
That was basically my point on the whole issue. With Ivy touting its not an exploit I decided to go ahead and get someone to say it was an exploit to point out how neither of these people really have the say on whether or not it is an exploit
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Barsexual
Castle Greyskull
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Posted - 2008.05.26 21:43:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke So one non-GM has said it's kosher, and one non-GM has said it's not. Could we get a coin toss to decide it?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=780104&page=3
"Please note that a bug hunter (BH) is not part of CCP but ISD, a volunteer service overseen by CCP staff. The only official ruling on something like this will come from a lead GM.
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang"
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 21:44:00 -
[219]
Edited by: The PitBoss on 26/05/2008 21:46:32
Moved from Eve general discussion thread BECAUSE it was locked ....
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan I took this action myself, with no prior knowledge by the other directors of members.
Everything aside (be it PRO-EXLOIT / NON-EXPLOIT) ... I REALLY find this hard to believe ... You BASICALLY risked trashing Eve University's reputation (without their prior knowledge/blessing) AND you're still a member?
COME ON ... EVERY corp/alliance I've been apart of hasn't been a DICTATORSHIP !!
You just don't do what you want .. when you want ... When you claim to be this 'Teaching' Institution to EVE noobs.
Its not fair to the membership ... ESPECIALLY if repercussions will be felt down the line by people who REALLY don't have control.
SO AGAIN .. i find it hard to believe you're taking credit AND you're still a member ... I think you're trying to shield your actions from tainting ... lets say ... someone who just won a big seat ...
Thanks,
PB
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Kalmanaka
Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.27 00:29:00 -
[220]
You can't beat them with internet spaceships, you can't get them to pay your ransom, and you failed in your attempt to close them down through griefing. What's pathetic is that you have to resort to crying on caod because you've failed at everything else. Give it up already.
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.05.27 01:22:00 -
[221]
Cleaned
Please wait for the official announcement by the GMs, the process has already started to review the matter, posting multiple threads about the subject and highlighting alleged inconsistencies between CCP employees and ISD volunteers detracts from the message you're attempting to make.
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang |
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Cosmic Raider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 01:28:00 -
[222]
To those like Pit Boss, Vickers, and BC Hastings, o7. Easy to see you are fighting. To others (read Hooch), not so much. Hooch is a leader as a poster only, not as a combat leader.
Why's this important? Easy. Uni, whlile a noob training corp, does not shy from fighting. After all, pvp is part of the game. Of course you can say deccing Uni is weak - no argument from me there. And you could say that after seven weeks the agressor, PRIV has not been able to get over 50% efficiency (over the "noobs" they love to deride)and is therefore a loser too. No argument there either.
NOTE TO Hooch: use the dictionary to understand what "deride" means. The dictionary is the big book on your shelf. Says "Dictionary" on its side. Ask mommy for help if you need.
More to the point is the asgressor corp. Why, you may ask would they dec? Not enough room otherwise? Poor prospects against a good pvp corp? Inability to back up their e=egos against tough oppponents? IDK. But u look at their results agaisnt Uni and draw your own conclusions. Conclusion you can easily draw is there is no one else they can try to fight without epic fail.
BTW, I love how PRIV has gone from 0.0 and, failing that, to war against highsec corp ,failing that,to fight anyone who disagrees with them. Next logical step is for them to fight each other.
Getting popcorn and soda for next PIRV high entertainment value mischief..=0
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 01:42:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Kalmanaka You can't beat them with internet spaceships, you can't get them to pay your ransom, and you failed in your attempt to close them down through griefing. What's pathetic is that you have to resort to crying on caod because you've failed at everything else. Give it up already.
Gads, I love these kinds of posts, tells us we are doing something right.
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 01:43:00 -
[224]
Cosmic Raider,
No real need to get abusive is there? Please be nice to a sad old man.
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 01:44:00 -
[225]
Edited by: The PitBoss on 27/05/2008 01:44:36
Originally by: Cosmic Raider To those like Pit Boss, Vickers, and BC Hastings, o7. Easy to see you are fighting. To others (read Hooch), not so much. Hooch is a leader as a poster only, not for combat, unless you value afk cloak-and-sit.
HA HA Hooch ... you may be primary ... BUT I get props ...
BTW ... still posted by an alt
Try standing up to pee next time ... sitting like a lady is over rated ...
Thanks,
PB
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.05.27 01:45:00 -
[226]
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned
Please wait for the official announcement by the GMs, the process has already started to review the matter, posting multiple threads about the subject and highlighting alleged inconsistencies between CCP employees and ISD volunteers detracts from the message you're attempting to make.
/me waits with bated breath.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 01:48:00 -
[227]
Originally by: The PitBoss Edited by: The PitBoss on 27/05/2008 01:44:36
Originally by: Cosmic Raider To those like Pit Boss, Vickers, and BC Hastings, o7. Easy to see you are fighting. To others (read Hooch), not so much. Hooch is a leader as a poster only, not for combat, unless you value afk cloak-and-sit.
HA HA Hooch ... you may be primary ... BUT I get props ...
BTW ... still posted by an alt
Try standing up to pee next time ... sitting like a lady is over rated ...
You sir are a $%@#
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Cosmic Raider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 02:02:00 -
[228]
Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 27/05/2008 02:04:57 Not an alt, silly person. You know as much about me as you do the rest of the game, which is to say, not much.
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 02:07:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Cosmic Raider Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 27/05/2008 02:04:57 Not an alt, silly person. You know as much about me as you do the rest of the game, which is to say, not much.
Yeah ... NPC corp and 3 posts under your belt .. my bad
Thanks,
PB
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Cosmic Raider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 02:11:00 -
[230]
Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 27/05/2008 02:15:18
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Cosmic Raider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 02:12:00 -
[231]
Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 27/05/2008 02:14:30
Originally by: Cosmic Raider
Originally by: The PitBoss
Originally by: Cosmic Raider Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 27/05/2008 02:04:57 Not an alt, silly person. You know as much about me as you do the rest of the game, which is to say, not much.
Yeah ... NPC corp and 3 posts under your belt .. my bad
Don't confuse my meager posts with an inability to understand. That would be more in line with Hooch, not someone like yourself who actually fights.
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Kuzya Morozov
The Older Gamers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.27 02:15:00 -
[232]
lolll...i sense bitterness :D
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Cosmic Raider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 02:20:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Kuzya Morozov lolll...i sense bitterness :D
They aren't bitter - they're better. In their own minds at least...Oh, at least - there's a proper term. I hereby suggest that Privatears should now be known as the "At Least" corp - sticker [ATL].
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Cosmic Raider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 02:33:00 -
[234]
Originally by: The Hooch Cosmic Raider,
No real need to get abusive is there? Please be nice to a sad old man.
ZOMG! I'm so flattered you noticed me. 1. I'm never abused you. If I did, I would have called you names like "coward' or "Mr. Dec-and-hide-from-fights-person", which I did not. 2. You're not old. I easily beat you in age SP. 3. Its possible you are sad, but I doubt it.
You just needed more hugs when you were younger and better advice now. Sadly, you got neither.
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Primus Geffur
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.27 02:49:00 -
[235]
lolz. This thread needs a bump. Nice work Ivy.
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Profhet
Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:17:00 -
[236]
Edited by: Profhet on 27/05/2008 03:19:58 All you people crying about Ivy being griefed...you have ISK, ships, corpmates, and you know where to find us, come show your outrage with explosions rather than weak WEAK weak, smack.
Its pretty sad that FOOM is the only one taking on the task.
I guess some of you might be too busy sitting in a station in Fountain spinning your ship though. ____________________________
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Cosmic Raider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:25:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Profhet Edited by: Profhet on 27/05/2008 03:19:58 All you people crying about Ivy being griefed...you have ISK, ships, corpmates, and you know where to find us, come show your outrage with explosions rather than weak WEAK weak, smack.
Its pretty sad that FOOM is the only one taking on the task.
I guess some of you might be too busy sitting in a station in Fountain spinning your ship though.
You decced. Isn't that your job?>
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dark'illuminati
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:29:00 -
[238]
Just because a Privateer posted to explain the issue at hand does not make the point any less valid nor does it justify expressing negative and aggressive opinions towards privateers. I urge you to remain focused on the original matter at hand and leave opinions out of the discussion as smack and irrelevant debates ensue. If you have nothing constructive to add please refrain from saying it, it will make the forums a better place. The original point made by Hooch is a valid concern for the future fun of this game; its consequences should not be taken lightly just because it doesnÆt affect you and/or you hold a grudge against privateers. Beyond the short-sighted comments the results of this exploit will affect a vast amount of players, not only privateers. My opinion as to whether I think this creative tactic employed by IVY is fair or not is irrelevant, I will wait for CCP to officially decide where they stand on the matter/its legality within the game then adapt accordingly. I suggest you all do the same for the time being.
War is not about who is right, but who is left.
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Profhet
Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:38:00 -
[239]
Edited by: Profhet on 27/05/2008 03:39:02
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Profhet
Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:39:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Profhet
Originally by: Cosmic Raider
Originally by: Profhet Edited by: Profhet on 27/05/2008 03:19:58 All you people crying about Ivy being griefed...you have ISK, ships, corpmates, and you know where to find us, come show your outrage with explosions rather than weak WEAK weak, smack.
Its pretty sad that FOOM is the only one taking on the task.
I guess some of you might be too busy sitting in a station in Fountain spinning your ship though.
You decced. Isn't that your job?>
your welcome to bring your main out to Eystur, we aren't hard to find OR you can stay in here like a first grade puss and smack with an alt.
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Stevens
Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned
Please wait for the official announcement by the GMs, the process has already started to review the matter, posting multiple threads about the subject and highlighting alleged inconsistencies between CCP employees and ISD volunteers detracts from the message you're attempting to make.
I wasn't pointing out the inconsistencies as more pointing out the information I received from an actual CCP employee.
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.05.27 04:00:00 -
[242]
Edited by: Eternal Error on 27/05/2008 04:00:54 Sorry, but I really have to rant here. "Priva-tears" means nothing. People using this term are trying to smack the alliance Privateers. So, unless "Priva" means something to you, "Priva-tears" is not directed at them as the prefix (so to speak) Priva is the name, while tears is the subject to which the name refers. "Priva-tears" is just stupid and is not associated with "Privateers" in any way. For this to actually work and be proper english, it would be "Privateers-tears," which just isn't as snazzy. So, I'm sorry to say that the term "Priva-tears" fails.
Also, go Privateers. Go get 'em.
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Tenebrys
Havoc Violence and Chaos R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.27 04:16:00 -
[243]
Privateer side of the argument:
- EVE is a PVP game and if you try to avoid PVP or PVP in dumb ways you're a****got
- IVY sucks for teaching people to fight as a blob rather than fight as a team, must die
- IVY is now using what we see as an exploit tactic to keep from having to PVP with us in empire space, so they're****gots
- IVY should pay us a bunch of money now or we'll always be sworn to destroy them
IVY side of the argument:
- EVE is a many-faceted game and we need to teach members about all aspects of it, not just PVP
- Your constant wardecs are starting to interfere with our ability to properly school our members in empire operations
- We're winning the ISK war against you, you have no chance of getting rid of us
- We didn't have too much to do with the plot that resulted in this little tactic to stop the wardecs or at least make you bleed in order to keep declaring them
- Hahaha you guys abused the wardec system before, so we're abusing it now, and you're hypocritical fairies for getting upset about it
Anything to add?
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.05.27 04:26:00 -
[244]
I would like to add that Hooch's insistence on changing the title of the thread every few hours is making it a pain in the ass to follow the progression as we wait (with bated breath, even) for the official response CCP Mitnal promised is forthcoming.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Kvirie
Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.05.27 04:44:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Inertial I love how the idiots who are bashing the Privateers, are so god damn short sighted. The reason you are bashing the Privateers is because it is the Privateers who are brining this issue up. If you look beyond the two sides participating in this conflict, and can't see why its bad, you are a moron.
This is a exploit, it is pretty clear, they are using game mechanics in a unintended way to benefit themselves.
It's the fact that the privateers are the ones complaining about the war system that makes this so amusing to players.
A group that made heavy use of the war dec system in an unintended fashion, are complaining about another group doing it to them. I couldn't care less about the war the two groups are fighting, but the Privateers are getting a lesson in karma from this.
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Praxis1452
Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.27 04:48:00 -
[246]
Edited by: Praxis1452 on 27/05/2008 04:47:58 High-sec shouldn't be the carebear heaven that it is. Especially for newbies who think they "Should" have it easy. It sends the wrong message about EVE.
I had a friend who applied to eve-uni and was rejected because of the sec status(-1.2). Because piracy isn't valid in this game?
Go go privateers.
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rValdez5987
Asylum Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:06:00 -
[247]
EVE is a pvp game.
What ivy did should be considered an exploit because its utter nonesense.
Regardless of what you do in eve, your gonna have to deal with war decs. Tough ****.
My views and opinions are my own.
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Vance Rezak
Band of the Damned Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 06:07:00 -
[248]
Edited by: Vance Rezak on 27/05/2008 06:15:02
Ok I need to post this because there is too much confusion on the current war state and want to make sure Ivy students get the true picture. The claims your leaders make to keep your morale high of a victory in any sense is ridiculous. The alliance you belong to has what nearly 1200-1300 members and ours around 300-400 right? Well that said I wouldn't call losing over 50% more ships to us a combat victory by any means. When you can field usually a 3-1 or better advantage and still lose more ships isn't that impressive.
I'm not bashing you newer players for your abilities just stating facts but stick with me here I will provide real advise at the end. Ok lets take on the isk victory thing now... I hope you haven't really bought into that either. The fact is most of the privateer players are all older toons with multiple accounts that have been in the game for a long time. The fact is pretty much all the players have a very large bank and regular influx of isk so we really aren't hurting to replace our ships or create war decs.
The facts are kind of painful and what prompted my post. Your bieng lead like sheep and lied to. These so called instructors have taught you what? to lose more ships than you kill vs a smaller alliance and then you can only do that in a blob? where is the value? what can you take away with you from such teachings? Lets see how not to pvp yourselves or without large numbers... How to be lead like sheep into believing your hurting a group like Privs financially... and now the best of all how to exploit... what next how to buy isk to replace your ships? Seriously get a clue...
Ok my ****ed about noob scamming rant is over now for the promised help. I would say first get the heck out now before your totally brainwashed. Then if you really want to learn pvp and how to do it well look into one of the real groups that actually teach it. There are a few good options two of which come to mind and your choice would depend on your style of gameplay. Those who want to stay on the up and up lets say could look up Agony Unleashed they are top notch and would actually teach you something. The second for those that want a taste of the darkside well you could try Sniggwaffe again a top notch group to learn to pvp from.
Then once your all trained up you could either join us or hunt us with your new skills and actually feel proud if you take one of us down. I know this only covers the pvp side of things but then again we were origionally talking about war and the other stuff has tons of corps that can show you the carebear side of things if thats what your after. Well thats it.. like it... hate it... or care less up to you.
Vance rezak
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rValdez5987
Asylum Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.27 06:24:00 -
[249]
people always try to claim victory by isk, or by ships destroyed or w/e... when those ARENT INDICATORS.
You win when your enemy is destroyed. Only by complete annihilation of your foe, can you be victorious.
Anything else is not defeat, its merely a cease fire.
My views and opinions are my own.
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Chirinako
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.27 07:05:00 -
[250]
I lol'd
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Cosmic Raider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 07:07:00 -
[251]
Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 27/05/2008 07:13:04 Vance,
You are so incredibly mistaken its hard to know where to start.
Privateers is a self described pro PVP corp. Uni is the opposite.
Privateers congratulates themselves on taking on big odds. "ZOMG WE RZ TEH OUT NUMBERED! LUK AT MY EPEEN!" The fact is that the vast majority of E Uni members have little or no leadeship experience and wait patiently for those that do to log on in order to commence ops. OBTW, for those PRIV who have taken some type of pride in their covert ops ship shutting down Korsiki, what you really saw was a disciplined reaction to dock up in accordance with IVY orders, absent any qualified FC. If you don't like this, suggest you take on an actual PVP corp rather than a training corp.
Despite this disparity in experience and apparent savvy, there hasn't been one single minute in the past seven weeks that Uni, for all their noobness, and despite being set upon by the ilks of TRAPS and then PRIV, that hasn't held the efficiency advantage.
Let's remember that PRIV decced and maintained it. The Uni has defended itself effectively and with honor.
Ppl say, "ZOMG UNI lost members!" Well, yes. So what? Uni is a teaching corp. Ppl come to learn, and not just about PVP. The Uni expects ppl to come, learn, and then leave for other corps. The only disruption here is the timeline. On the other hand, its highly amusing that TRAPs (and the mysterious dissapearing Nexus, she of the storytelling and conspicously absent PVP fame) would drag PRIV into this war, then join PRIV alliance, and then bail when PVP became to bothersome. Of course that's a bit too harsh, after all the leader of PRIV is much more prominent on these forums than he is on any killboards.
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Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.05.27 07:13:00 -
[252]
Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 27/05/2008 07:13:55
Originally by: Cosmic Raider You are so incredibly mistaken its hard to know where to start.
Privateers is a self described pro PVP corp. Uni is the opposite.
Privateers congratulates themselves on taking on big odds. "ZOMG WE RZ TEH OUT NUMBERED! LUK AT MY EPEEN!" The fact is that the vast majority of E Uni members have little or no leadeship experience and wait patiently for those that do to log on in order to commence ops. OBTW, for those PRIV who have taken some type of pride in their covert ops ship shutting down Korsiki, what you really saw was a disciplined reaction to dock up in accordance with IVY orders, absent any qualified FC. If you don't like this, suggest you take on an actual PVP corp rather than a training corp.
Despite this disparity in experience and apparent savvy, there hasn't been one single minute in the past seven weeks that Uni, for all their noobness, and despite being set upon by the ilks of TRAPS and then PRIV, that hasn't held the efficiency advantage.
Let's remember that PRIV decced and maintained it. The Uni has defended itself effectively and with honor.
Ppl say, "ZOMG UNI lost members!" Well, yes. So what? Uni is a teaching corp. Ppl come to learn, and not just about PVP. The Uni expects ppl to come, learn, and then leave for other corps. The only disruption here is the timeline. On the other hand, its highly amusing that TRAPs (and the mysterious dissapearing Nexus, she of the storytelling and conspicously absent PVP fame) would drag PRIV into this war, then join PRIV alliance, and then bail when PVP became to bothersome. Of course that's a bit too harsh, after all the leader of PRIV is much more prominent on these forums than he is on any killboards.
Privs decced Ivy League after Ivy League had absorbed LOLS, which was wardecced by TRAPS. LOLS could have easily taken them on, but by absorbing LOLS, Ivy League, and therein Eve University, voided their claim of them being a neutral entity.
Privateers' wardec was more than justified.
Also on your point of 'newbies come to learn', Eve University has closed down recruitment since the first day of the wardec and are only allowing ex-uni members back in.
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Amarrian Android
Slacker Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.27 07:23:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Mistress Suffering It's an exploit. Petition it and let CCP sort it out.
You'll be able to shoot them again in a bit I suspect.
This.
Eve is pvp.
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Cosmic Raider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 07:32:00 -
[254]
Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 27/05/2008 07:33:06
Originally by: Grarr Dexx Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 27/05/2008 07:13:55
Originally by: Cosmic Raider You are so incredibly mistaken its hard to know where to start.
Privateers is a self described pro PVP corp. Uni is the opposite.
Privateers congratulates themselves on taking on big odds. "ZOMG WE RZ TEH OUT NUMBERED! LUK AT MY EPEEN!" The fact is that the vast majority of E Uni members have little or no leadeship experience and wait patiently for those that do to log on in order to commence ops. OBTW, for those PRIV who have taken some type of pride in their covert ops ship shutting down Korsiki, what you really saw was a disciplined reaction to dock up in accordance with IVY orders, absent any qualified FC. If you don't like this, suggest you take on an actual PVP corp rather than a training corp.
Despite this disparity in experience and apparent savvy, there hasn't been one single minute in the past seven weeks that Uni, for all their noobness, and despite being set upon by the ilks of TRAPS and then PRIV, that hasn't held the efficiency advantage.
Let's remember that PRIV decced and maintained it. The Uni has defended itself effectively and with honor.
Ppl say, "ZOMG UNI lost members!" Well, yes. So what? Uni is a teaching corp. Ppl come to learn, and not just about PVP. The Uni expects ppl to come, learn, and then leave for other corps. The only disruption here is the timeline. On the other hand, its highly amusing that TRAPs (and the mysterious dissapearing Nexus, she of the storytelling and conspicously absent PVP fame) would drag PRIV into this war, then join PRIV alliance, and then bail when PVP became to bothersome. Of course that's a bit too harsh, after all the leader of PRIV is much more prominent on these forums than he is on any killboards.
Privs decced Ivy League after Ivy League had absorbed LOLS, which was wardecced by TRAPS. LOLS could have easily taken them on, but by absorbing LOLS, Ivy League, and therein Eve University, voided their claim of them being a neutral entity.
Privateers' wardec was more than justified.
Also on your point of 'newbies come to learn', Eve University has closed down recruitment since the first day of the wardec and are only allowing ex-uni members back in.
1. The TRAPs dec was previous to the PRIV dec. TRAPs drew PRIV in, then split when it got too hot.
2. PRIV dec on UNI was not in any way driven by UNI absorbtion of LOLS. PRIV leader had for some time maintained grievance against UNI, as evidenced by his many posts on this forum, not to mention the previous wars against UNI. The UNI absorbtion of LOLs and the war with TRAPS, provided a convenient subterfuge to get what he wanted with the least amount of community disgust.
3. With respect to your comment regarding the UNI neutrality, the fact that the UNI accepted long term friends back into the organization does not in any way affect their well known neutrality. Everyone knows the UNI does not pick sides. I challenge you to provide one example of the UNI deccing another corp.
4. UNI recruitment is always close during wars. UNI policy is to not expose new players to catastrophic isk loss due to combat before they ready.
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benzy
Aetas Inculta
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Posted - 2008.05.27 07:37:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Amarrian Android
Originally by: Mistress Suffering It's an exploit. Petition it and let CCP sort it out.
You'll be able to shoot them again in a bit I suspect.
This.
Eve is pvp.
Eve is PvP. True.
Not all PvP is **** exploding. True.
Just because they don't PvP your way, don't come frickin cryin to mommy.
You want to PvP with ships.
They're PvPing with their wallet.
Put up, shut up, or go home. Those are your options.
Or, you can whine to CCP to eliminate yet another facet of gameplay that makes EvE Special; the concept that you can turn the tide of a war without firing a weapon.
The fact that they directly attacked you when they raised the cost of you continuing the wardec eludes you guys. Player versus Player.
You fail.
benzy
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Eskona Runningstar
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.27 07:39:00 -
[256]
Edited by: Eskona Runningstar on 27/05/2008 07:40:48
Originally by: Tenebrys Privateer side of the argument:
- EVE is a PVP game and if you try to avoid PVP or PVP in dumb ways you're a****got
- IVY sucks for teaching people to fight as a blob rather than fight as a team, must die
- IVY is now using what we see as an exploit tactic to keep from having to PVP with us in empire space, so they're****gots
- IVY should pay us a bunch of money now or we'll always be sworn to destroy them
IVY side of the argument:
- EVE is a many-faceted game and we need to teach members about all aspects of it, not just PVP
- Your constant wardecs are starting to interfere with our ability to properly school our members in empire operations
- We're winning the ISK war against you, you have no chance of getting rid of us
- We didn't have too much to do with the plot that resulted in this little tactic to stop the wardecs or at least make you bleed in order to keep declaring them
- Hahaha you guys abused the wardec system before, so we're abusing it now, and you're hypocritical fairies for getting upset about it
Anything to add?
To add a little:
- If somebody proclaims "I will destroy your alliance" and tries to turn high-sec into 0.0, 100m per week is not a road block, but a pebble on a 4-lane highway. Upping the ante to see how much PRVTR really want IVY dead wasnt a bad idea by Kelduum in my opinion.
- The tactic Kelduum used is based on wardec fees not updating when the "wardec landscape" changes - namely new wars do not increase costs of already existing wars, and a corp joining an alliance does not increase the war cost, either.
- If this tactic should be ruled as exploit, there is a very high chance that Privateers have been benefitting from this exploit the past year, also:
- To-be member corporations declaring their wars before joining to avoid the "X wars already active * 50m" premium - Costs of the first war not updating when a second war is declared, or a corporation joins the alliance. CCP communications after the "P-patch" was that 1 war active should cost 50m, 2 wars active should cost 200m (2x 100m each). This is not how it currently is implemented in the game, though (it will cost 150m, 50m for the first war and 100m for the second war). This is the part that Kelduum bug-reported and that was stated as being intentional, and it is what allows Privateers to sustain as many wars as they do currently, and what allows IVY to sustain as many (former corp-corp) wars as there are active on IVY currently.
- The difference to the iMune tactic is that IVY is not invulnerable from wardecs, it just costs more to declare or sustain a war on IVY. IVY is also paying a weekly fee to get this "bigger roadblock"
In summary, IVY has done nothing different from what Privateers have been doing - IVY just uses the cheap wars declared on it to increase costs of newly declared wars, while Privateers uses the cheap wars because they actually want to fight them. However, in Eve you are allowed to declare war for no reason at all, even if you dont have the intention to show up for a fight in the first place, so that shouldnt matter. The only advantage IVY has over PRVTR is that IVY can control which corps are admitted into the alliance, and therefore can start at the corp-corp level, while Privateers can only start at the corp-alliance level (as they exclusively go after alliances).
Should the IVY tactic (which really only is a PRVTR tactic on a larger scale) be ruled as an exploit or nerfed via a patch, there is a high chance that the number of concurrently active wars that Privateers can sustain will also take a hit.
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Cosmic Raider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 07:48:00 -
[257]
Eskona rocks alot imo.
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Zeimanov Kalzumaan
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Posted - 2008.05.27 08:10:00 -
[258]
Edited by: Zeimanov Kalzumaan on 27/05/2008 08:12:07 It has been my understanding that EVE is a sandbox game, systems and rules are put in place, and players are free to learn how to bend or twist them - much as in real life. Privateers figured out that they could use (note I didn't say exploit) the wardec system to fight comfortable Empire wars with plenty of nice juicy targets. People have complained that this is unfair ect ect and the response (quite rightly) has been "STFU and deal with it".
What IVY has done isn't really any different. Rather than looking at it as an exploit, perhaps it really is intended to be like this? Some corps can fight these wars using their economic rather than combat prowess. I'm guessing that one on one, the Privateers are much better at pvp for the most part (better ships, skills and experience) than the majority of the UNI students. Is it not therefore sensible to fight the way they can actually win rather than simply lining up to get shot?
Whilst EVE is a pvp game, it should be remembered that it's also a game involving corporations and laws - with the intrigues, and rule bending that goes with that. A big part of the game is that it's not just 300,000 pilots all solo in ships whizzing round shooting at each other. There are forms and procedures to be followed in Empire - bureaucratic form filling and regulations.
What UNI have done is find a loophole in CONCORD regulations and used it (no exploit word again!) to fight Privateers economically. People might not like it, but they've not avoided a war and they are having to pay in order to do this.
People have registered their opinions, it's up to the Dev's to decided if this is an intended mechanic or an exploit - another 9 pages of debate, and name calling are going to change nothing.
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Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 08:37:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Eskona Runningstar
To add a little:
- If somebody proclaims "I will destroy your alliance" and tries to turn high-sec into 0.0, 100m per week is not a road block, but a pebble on a 4-lane highway. Upping the ante to see how much PRVTR really want IVY dead wasnt a bad idea by Kelduum in my opinion.
- The tactic Kelduum used is based on wardec fees not updating when the "wardec landscape" changes - namely new wars do not increase costs of already existing wars, and a corp joining an alliance does not increase the war cost, either.
- If this tactic should be ruled as exploit, there is a very high chance that Privateers have been benefitting from this exploit the past year, also:
- To-be member corporations declaring their wars before joining to avoid the "X wars already active * 50m" premium - Costs of the first war not updating when a second war is declared, or a corporation joins the alliance. CCP communications after the "P-patch" was that 1 war active should cost 50m, 2 wars active should cost 200m (2x 100m each). This is not how it currently is implemented in the game, though (it will cost 150m, 50m for the first war and 100m for the second war). This is the part that Kelduum bug-reported and that was stated as being intentional, and it is what allows Privateers to sustain as many wars as they do currently, and what allows IVY to sustain as many (former corp-corp) wars as there are active on IVY currently.
- The difference to the iMune tactic is that IVY is not invulnerable from wardecs, it just costs more to declare or sustain a war on IVY. IVY is also paying a weekly fee to get this "bigger roadblock"
In summary, IVY has done nothing different from what Privateers have been doing - IVY just uses the cheap wars declared on it to increase costs of newly declared wars, while Privateers uses the cheap wars because they actually want to fight them. However, in Eve you are allowed to declare war for no reason at all, even if you dont have the intention to show up for a fight in the first place, so that shouldnt matter. The only advantage IVY has over PRVTR is that IVY can control which corps are admitted into the alliance, and therefore can start at the corp-corp level, while Privateers can only start at the corp-alliance level (as they exclusively go after alliances).
Should the IVY tactic (which really only is a PRVTR tactic on a larger scale) be ruled as an exploit or nerfed via a patch, there is a high chance that the number of concurrently active wars that Privateers can sustain will also take a hit.
Lady, I have no idea how you came up with this but most of it is just false. The Privateers donÆt get any ôextraö benefits from the current war system. Unfortunately , the same is not true for our opponents :( Even if we put the exploit that you use aside, there are corps which use ôalliance hopingö to avoid wars every week. That was already declared to be an exploit and if I had to report all the corps doing it, it would take me hours :(
With the current war system we can have 5 to 6 active wars on a good week. Which is a loooooong way down from the 137 that our alliance had before the nerf patch. Still not enough for you ? You want the number to go even lower ? ------
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Kelduum Revaan
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.27 09:26:00 -
[260]
Unfortunately, Eskona posted the above before I had given the Privateer leadership time to consider some things, however, there is nothing there that anyone cannot already work out themselves.
Originally by: Kyle Frost Lady, I have no idea how you came up with this but most of it is just false. The Privateers donÆt get any ôextraö benefits from the current war system...
All I have to say at present is that you are somewhat incorrect.
I can provide full and detailed information to explain why, along with direct evidence, however I shall leave that for now.
Originally by: Kyle Frost With the current war system we can have 5 to 6 active wars on a good week. Which is a loooooong way down from the 137 that our alliance had before the nerf patch. Still not enough for you ? You want the number to go even lower ?
Personally, right now, I would accept one less war, and have it end here.
This is my current offer. The loophole usage/exploit (call it what you will) simply now serves as a demonstration of my understanding of the mechanics involved, and I await CCPs response on the legality of the matter.
-- Kelduum Revaan Not the Diplomatic Director Eve University <IVY> _____
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Ryuga VonRhaiden
Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 09:52:00 -
[261]
hi-sec wars are meant to allow you to use lots of your resources to destroy someone you really hate, not to randomly disrupt the gameplay of a bunch of noobs in ibises...
Do not try and find the signature... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no signature. |
Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 10:05:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Personally, right now, I would accept one less war, and have it end here.
This is my current offer. The loophole usage/exploit (call it what you will) simply now serves as a demonstration of my understanding of the mechanics involved, and I await CCPs response on the legality of the matter.
-- Kelduum Revaan Not the Diplomatic Director Eve University <IVY>
I can understand why you would want one less war. But what your colleague suggests is that the Privateers get nerfed even further. And i told you - we are down to 5 - 6 wars from 137. How much more does she want ? ------
Let the gun do the talking... |
Cippalippus Primus
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.27 10:36:00 -
[263]
I can see the two sides of the story, but in all honesty I think Privateers and IVY should find a diplomatic compromise. -clp
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.27 11:08:00 -
[264]
I nominate Cippalippus Primus, a pod pilot of unquestionable integrity and ethics, to mediate. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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Mattduk
Universal Army
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Posted - 2008.05.27 11:51:00 -
[265]
Originally by: The PitBoss Edited by: The PitBoss on 25/05/2008 15:14:43
DEFINATELY not what the DEVs had in mind ... BUT as always at the short end of the stick ... WE ADAPT
IN THE MEAN TIME ....
I will be taking up collections to CONTINUE the war dec on IVY LEAGUE for the upcoming week ... they will not get off that easy
With their little shenanigans ... the upcoming week will cost us: 1 BILLION isk
Please reach deep folks ...
Deposit the isk in the wallet of:
THE PITBOSS
Complete ANONYMITY guaranteed
Cock.
Pay for it yourself.
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Northrop
Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 12:12:00 -
[266]
First, i have no personal beef with them, always sent noobies their way when they asked what would be a good starters corp.
I have to say, well done ivy. Eve always has been a game where clever players pushed ccp's idea on how to play the game further by using every aspect of the game design. And thus they helped to keep the environment of eve changing. Privateers created an incident back in 2007, ccp reacted and changed the game. Ivy just might have done the same now.
Sumup: CCP codes, people adept, CCP reacts, people adept.. at least eve is not static
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Raidhyn
N.O.P. Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.27 12:13:00 -
[267]
So I greatly enjoyed browsing through this topic this morning over coffee and a cigarette. Some of the best COAD entertainment I've had in a while.
Cheers Uni. Gotta love pulling one over on an Alliance that though they were the experts on Empire War.
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Hei'di
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 12:16:00 -
[268]
Originally by: Kyle Frost
I can understand why you would want one less war. But what your colleague suggests is that the Privateers get nerfed even further. And i told you - we are down to 5 - 6 wars from 137. How much more does she want ?
Quite simple. Remove guns and each other offensive module from the game.
The game is broken in so many aspects, but instead of making things work CCP is introducing more and more useless and broke content.
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omglollolol
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Posted - 2008.05.27 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
It is a exploit though not a declared one.
That's what you think, I think you're a troll, mkay ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________ |
The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 13:04:00 -
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Quote: A group that made heavy use of the war dec system in an unintended fashion, are complaining about another group doing it to them. I couldn't care less about the war the two groups are fighting, but the Privateers are getting a lesson in karma from this
Here is the difference, we got hammered with a patch and an entire game change. We played by the rules then, we play the rules now. We do not sit around and creatively think though what we do.
As a matter of fact I will spell it out for you.
1. We have a contract from "X" for the following targets 2. Those decs get run first 3. Then has all the corps paid their weekly fees? 4. Normally at that point the decs have cost 50, 100, 150 million 5. We have $$ this much in the war chest after contracts have been honored 6. I pull up the alliance-ranking screen and ask BC "who goes on the menu this week" 7. Then we have a look at the total number of possible war targets 8. I right click on them and run two or three more decs just to bump up the numbers for possible targets and that is the end of it.
ThatÆs is all we do... period. No talk of about is there some way to get costs down, no looking for backdoors or holes to exploit. For goodness sake look at our kill boards, you will find very few haulers, noob ships or shuttles. Look at Ivy's kb and see the average age of their players, some are noobs, but by far and away most have at least a year or two under their belts.
On a side note, most of our decs are contracted (including Ivy), people in the community pay us to kill off people they don't like or feel just like messing with someone and keep their hands clean. Hell, I have had CEO's pay for decs against their own alliance for force them out of empire and back to the front lines. I have had alliance members pay us to dec their own mates and then tell us where to find them.
The honest truth is that most in Eve love us being around. We are the anti-Ivy, the ying to their yang, the other side of the coin, however you want to say it. A privateer is the naughty girl in the neighborhood that puts out for the right price and Ivy is the sweet girl next door. You love them both at the same time for different reasons.
Now the good girl has done something out of character and caught the bad one un-prepared and shocked the rest of the community. You expect us to be a *****, but not her.
Just a few thoughts,
Hooch
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Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Haruspex Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.27 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Northrop
First, i have no personal beef with them, always sent noobies their way when they asked what would be a good starters corp.
I have to say, well done ivy. Eve always has been a game where clever players pushed ccp's idea on how to play the game further by using every aspect of the game design. And thus they helped to keep the environment of eve changing. Privateers created an incident back in 2007, ccp reacted and changed the game. Ivy just might have done the same now.
Sumup: CCP codes, people adept, CCP reacts, people adept.. at least eve is not static
Best post in this whole damn thread, very constructive!
Ben careful - you'll end up giving privateers a good name!!
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Kelduum Revaan
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.27 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: The Hooch
Here is the difference, we got hammered with a patch and an entire game change. We played by the rules then, we play the rules now. We do not sit around and creatively think though what we do.
As a matter of fact I will spell it out for you.
1. We have a contract from "X" for the following targets 2. Those decs get run first 3. Then has all the corps paid their weekly fees? 4. Normally at that point the decs have cost 50, 100, 150 million 5. We have $$ this much in the war chest after contracts have been honored 6. I pull up the alliance-ranking screen and ask BC "who goes on the menu this week" 7. Then we have a look at the total number of possible war targets 8. I right click on them and run two or three more decs just to bump up the numbers for possible targets and that is the end of it.
ThatÆs is all we do... period.
Quoting for... well, purposes will become clear later.
Its not that I don't trust you not to edit it, its... actually, thinking about it...
-- Kelduum Revaan Not the Diplomatic Director Eve University <IVY>
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: The Hooch on 27/05/2008 14:49:00 Keld, I would be very careful about what you say. If you knew this would be considered an exploit and did it anyway to make a point to ccp you may very well have opened yourself up for greater issues.
If the truth be told, it was your Eve mail to me about "shutting us down" that snowballed into what we have now and that really ****ed us off to where we are making a point that you cannot "shut us down".
I dec'd MM after I was told that they would destroy our "pathetic little alliance", and many of those guys I have gamed with for nearly 10 years.
We are not afraid of anyone in this game, nor do we claim to be all that successful at what we do. We just enjoy this aspect of the game.
We are always at war, always hunting, always fighting, looting and dieing.
A day without a war dec is like a day without sunshine.
Hooch
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 27/05/2008 15:04:38
Originally by: Eskona Runningstar
The tactic Kelduum used is based on wardec fees not updating when the "wardec landscape" changes - namely new wars do not increase costs of already existing wars, and a corp joining an alliance does not increase the war cost, either. [*]If this tactic should be ruled as exploit, there is a very high chance that Privateers have been benefitting from this exploit the past year, also: - To-be member corporations declaring their wars before joining to avoid the "X wars already active * 50m" premium
To clarify for the masses : You CANNOT join an alliance if you have declared a war.
This was thrown at us many times during my tenure as a director "Privateer exploit threads numbers 1-100 - and was proven totally and utterly False.
It is NOT POSSIBLE to declare war on someone, then join an alliance and have the wardec transfered with you for the benefit of an alliance.
You can however join an alliance if you have been wardeced. This transfers the wardecs set against you, to the alliance you are joining. Leaving said alliance leaves the wardec active against the alliance, and leaves the corp free (the mechanic IMUNE were using and which was declared an exploit)
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.27 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
Originally by: The Hooch
Here is the difference, we got hammered with a patch and an entire game change. We played by the rules then, we play the rules now. We do not sit around and creatively think though what we do.
As a matter of fact I will spell it out for you.
1. We have a contract from "X" for the following targets 2. Those decs get run first 3. Then has all the corps paid their weekly fees? 4. Normally at that point the decs have cost 50, 100, 150 million 5. We have $$ this much in the war chest after contracts have been honored 6. I pull up the alliance-ranking screen and ask BC "who goes on the menu this week" 7. Then we have a look at the total number of possible war targets 8. I right click on them and run two or three more decs just to bump up the numbers for possible targets and that is the end of it.
ThatÆs is all we do... period.
Quoting for... well, purposes will become clear later.
Its not that I don't trust you not to edit it, its... actually, thinking about it...
-- Kelduum Revaan Not the Diplomatic Director Eve University <IVY>
The issue you are cryptically talking about however - is all very interesting, and could prove to be another pie in the face of the concord clowns who bodged the wardec system in the first place.
Its either an error in the patch notes, or an error in the programming.
If its the former - (as would naturally occur after an arbitrary and rushed alteration to a game mechanic as we saw during the Alliance P debacle) then you are in the clear.
If it is the latter, as the hooch points out, then you deliberatly set out to take advantage of a loophole for personal gain of yourself and your alliance (despite the protestations that it was a rogue director who initiated the exploit attempt, more and more EUNI are crawling out of the woodwork confessing prior knowledge and indeed full support in the sordid matter)
Whilst I fully understand and can perhaps sympathise the reasoning behind your actions - this would seem to be a clear cut, premeditated, and self confessed Exploit of game mechanics.
Oh, and also to clarify, whilst respecting and admiring the present Privateer Alliance, I have nothing to do them - and so please do not take my comments as anything other then a hermit corp talking on COAD.
SKUNK
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 15:25:00 -
[276]
Skunk, sometimes I really miss you, you ******* pirate.
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 15:56:00 -
[277]
Its not an exploit until CCP declares that it is. Until then, its a valid tactic.
Oh, and LOL at PrivateRears complaining about possible exploits. Pot <-> Kettle.
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Kelduum Revaan
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.27 16:18:00 -
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Hooch, when you have a chance, drop me a convo to discuss this in private. I would hope it would be a much more productive channel than posting everything via CAOD.
Originally by: Le Skunk To clarify for the masses : You CANNOT join an alliance if you have declared a war.
And to confirm separately, this is correct. You can if you have war declared on you, but not if you are the aggressor, as that would be a very cheap way to start a war.
Originally by: Le Skunk Its either an error in the patch notes, or an error in the programming.
Just to run through for anyone who missed it before:
After noticing this loophole, I suspected it was an error in programming, and reported it as a bug with full documentation, also stating that the GMs believe this works differently. I received a reply some time later stating that the Bug Hunter had checked with the developers, and had confirmed it was by design, suggesting that the GMs, as well as the patch notes/dev blog from a year ago were incorrect.
And as you say, patch notes can be rushed, and there is a good chance that this would be a relatively minor change to code or something which was simply not finished, and the entry was mistakenly left in the notes (I'm sure thats happened before) with apparently nobody noticing for quite some time.
Either way, we shall see how the GMs see this in due course, but when it comes down to the mechanics behind how things work (ie: X happens when you click Y), I would have though the developers would be the ones to confirm if the mechanics work right or not.
Of course, theres a chance the BH was mistaken, or received an inaccurate reply. I am confident that the GMs will get to the bottom of it.
And, for the record, I have since briefed the other E-UNI directors regarding the basic elements of this (please not that I have not, and do not plan to, provide anyone full details), however it would appear Eskona wasn't quite paying attention, and got her wires crossed somewhere.
I'm sure that another of the directors could come along and say they didn't know anything about this until it happened, but of course, there is unfortunately no way to prove it either way.
-- Kelduum Revaan Still not the Diplomatic Director Eve University <IVY>
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benzy
Aetas Inculta
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Posted - 2008.05.27 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: The Hooch Here is the difference, we got hammered with a patch and an entire game change. We played by the rules then, we play the rules now. We do not sit around and creatively think though what we do.
You abused the game mechanics, even when it was announced that they were unintended, and were going to be changed before the patch. So don't give anyone that line of B.S.. If you were really the almight honourable privateers alliance you are claiming to be, as soon as it was announced that it was unintended, you'd have called off your shenanigans. You didn't.
Quote: On a side note, most of our decs are contracted (including Ivy), people in the community pay us to kill off people they don't like or feel just like messing with someone and keep their hands clean. Hell, I have had CEO's pay for decs against their own alliance for force them out of empire and back to the front lines. I have had alliance members pay us to dec their own mates and then tell us where to find them.
If Ivy is under contract, what are you complaining about? Go to your employer, and tell them to pay the cost of the new dec. Christ, you're trying to be mercs and don't know how to negotiate? If you took on a contract without a clause that allows you to renegotiate on the basis of wardec fees; that is your fault. Not Ivy's.
Quote: The honest truth is that most in Eve love us being around. We are the anti-Ivy, the ying to their yang, the other side of the coin, however you want to say it. A privateer is the naughty girl in the neighborhood that puts out for the right price and Ivy is the sweet girl next door. You love them both at the same time for different reasons.
The sweet girl next door just took her purse and beat you to tears with it.
benzy
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Stevens
Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:01:00 -
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The ammount of idiocy in this thread is growing out of controlPeople who are saying this have a very warped definition of what an exploit is.
1. The war decs being a different cost than the dev blog is definetly not an exploit. I can't even begin to fathom how people can say privateers are exploiting a game mechanic that was changed solely due to them. If CCP coded it wrong its not like they can go say "here is the extra isk we owe you concord." Kelduum Revaan can argue that privs didn't bug report it but everyone here knows a minor issue like this will just get side boarded by ccp. 2. The original Privateer Wars were not an abuse of the mechanics just a creative use. Ya you might try to claim thats the same as ivy but the difference between privs and ivy is the priv wars were used for wars and the ivy alt wars are used to artifically iflate the cost. Thats what differentiates the two from abuse of game mechanics and creative use. Nanos are a good example of creative use (or oversized mwds)
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:34:00 -
[281]
Edited by: The Hooch on 27/05/2008 17:34:55
Quote: You abused the game mechanics, even when it was announced that they were unintended, and were going to be changed before the patch. So don't give anyone that line of B.S.. If you were really the almight honourable privateers alliance you are claiming to be, as soon as it was announced that it was unintended, you'd have called off your shenanigans. You didn't.
I did not start the Privateers btw. The era you speak of was way before we had the alliance dropped in our laps after the "P-Alliance" patch.
Please keep in mind that BC Hastings is the real head of the alliance and I am "king of chit-chat", Book keeper, forum troll, primary target, whoop'n boy, and keeper of the peace within the alliance.
BC and I are only responsible for the past year.
Hooch
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.27 18:39:00 -
[282]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 27/05/2008 18:40:10
Originally by: benzy
Originally by: The Hooch Here is the difference, we got hammered with a patch and an entire game change. We played by the rules then, we play the rules now. We do not sit around and creatively think though what we do.
You abused the game mechanics, even when it was announced that they were unintended, and were going to be changed before the patch. So don't give anyone that line of B.S.. If you were really the almight honourable privateers alliance you are claiming to be, as soon as it was announced that it was unintended, you'd have called off your shenanigans. You didn't.
Well as Hooch rightly states, the current leadership were not responsible for decisions taken pre nerf.
As someone who partly was. I can take the time to blown your misconception out of the water regarding privatter wardeccing pre nerf.
It was never announced it was unintended. It was never even remotly classified as an exploit by CCP. No parties were banned, warned or even contacted by CCP regarding anything to do with the privateers war deccing.
In fact, the only contact we had with CCP was positive, during the 'interview with Surreptitious (alliance CEO), which was printed to read by CCP on every players log in screen. There was also an approach regarding using the privateer alliance in a roleplay precursor to faction warfare - fully two weeks prior to a massive about turn and the notification of the alliance P nerf.
As such, we did not call off our "shenanigans", and instead instigated the largest 'player driven event' the game has ever seen. The similtanious wardeccing of 56% of the gamebase (contrary to inacurate figures - it was 222 wars - including the 140 biggest alliances) (see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=510534)
It appears however, it was felt by CCP, that a changing of the pricing system would be neccesary to promote 'game balance'. It was packaged as a bizarre "concord got greedy for isk (despite the fact the nerfing led to less isk rolling into their coffers)" roleplay type excuse.
The fact that the wardec system continued (Corp hoppers, imune alliance) and continues (Eve Unis multiple alt corp absorbation) to create problems, proves what myself, and many others (both pro an anti privateer) said. That the bodge job was doomed to failure - and did nothing but position "game balance" wide open for attack.
SKUNK
Oh and your ridiculous point that people whould stop doing things when ccp announce they are gogin to be changed is just farcial. How many falcon, arazu, apoc pilots docked up for two week when told their ship bonus was gogin to be changed. How many ecm users stopped using ecm when it was announced it would be altered etc etc etc
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.27 21:36:00 -
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/me waves a Privs flag.
Shame on you Eve-Uni, tut tut. Take it like a man, pay-up or disband!
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 23:20:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Sorted /me waves a Privs flag.
Shame on you Eve-Uni, tut tut. Take it like a man, pay-up or disband!
<sniff> It is so good to see the family coming back together since you all moved out of town.
Hooch
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
benzy
Aetas Inculta
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Posted - 2008.05.27 23:31:00 -
[285]
Originally by: The Hooch BC and I are only responsible for the past year.
Hooch
Well, as a feather in that cap that says "I was in a leadership position", make sure you add the post it note that says "Eve University spanked my cheeks burgundy by forcing us to match our commitment with hard cash, and I had a whine about it on CAOD."
Which is, of course the mark of any successful alliance on the verge of larger, and greater things in Eve.
benzy
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 23:43:00 -
[286]
Originally by: benzy
Originally by: The Hooch BC and I are only responsible for the past year.
Hooch
Well, as a feather in that cap that says "I was in a leadership position", make sure you add the post it note that says "Eve University spanked my cheeks burgundy by forcing us to match our commitment with hard cash, and I had a whine about it on CAOD."
Which is, of course the mark of any successful alliance on the verge of larger, and greater things in Eve.
benzy
Well, I have already said it was a creative move in this thread, but spanked us?
Not really, making us drop a dec due to cost is how a lawyer gets a ruling overturned on appeal kinda. It does not mean there is not a re-trial later.
BTW, stop being a ****, Ivy I respect, you on the other hand are convincing me you're about 15 with a squeaky voice, head of the AV club at school and wearing a "Kirk kicks Picards ass" T-Shirt.
Cheers
Hooch
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Faekurias
Cash Money Brothers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.27 23:48:00 -
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While talking about Picard, I just thought I'd contribute a little something. Sig locked, abuse of use - for more information mail [email protected] |
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.05.28 00:09:00 -
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Words from someone that is unaffiliated, in every form and fashion, with either of the intities. Words from someone who has little understanding of what is going on here, as it has to do with creating alts and declaign wars and joinging alliances
Too all who are saying; Why is EVE Uni doing this? -
I would suspect that it has to do with ransoms period. Why should they pay 2 billion or 4 billion isk when there is no guarantee that the war deck will actually stop. I mean how many of you would pay a ransom on your ship? (redundant question) The only way the the Uni can get out of this is to force the monetary value of the war deck so high for the Privateer's to a point where they deem it not worth to pay.
Well why use this "exploit" -
Well they have blugeoned the Privateers (so I have heard from non-verifiable sources) consistantly and the Privateers keep coming back.
How do the Privateers keep paying the war deck fees?
If this war is taking up alot of time how do the Privateers have time to run missions to get isk? Or do the Privateers have carebare mission running alts that funnel isk to the corp (maybe?) to continue a war they are losing (maybe?) I mean if you are fighting mostly newbies in frigates and what not you probably are not getting money from loot.
Disclaimer: I have no clue how many pilots are in Privateers, just pointing out how a pilot with little knowing of either of these alliances may be thinking.
But all the new students get PvP training non-stop -
Yes, that is true. But then the Uni cuts off recruiting during wars, like many other alliances and corps do, thus cutting off newer players from the purely educational EVE Uni.
The Uni plays an integral part in the EVE Universe. They are purely built around teaching new players how to play the game. Other corps my say they do this, but that is not their sole purpose and they typically do not have the resources and/or publicity to maximise their efforts like EVE Uni does.
The constant war deck on EVE Uni may hurt EVE in general. If new players do not keep coming in then the subscription numbers drop and guess what happens if that consistantly happens. WOD comes out and CCP's need for EVE just may dissapear (maybe? and boy I hope not). I am not saying this one situation will cause this to happen, but you have all heard of the weak link in a chain theory; right?
I have heard that the reason for the Privateers decking Uni was "because they can", but that is just the lamest excuse to do anything, in game or in real life. If it because you dispise what they do, fine, but realize that those actions may have greater effects on the game then you are currently thinking about.
All that highseat hypothetical preachery aside. I do not like the concept of anyone using anything that is deemed an exploit. So we will see where the cards fall.
All of this is purely my opinion that was asked for by The Hooch himself in a cross post in Crime and Punishment and my view most definatly does not mirror/resemble/feflect/ or stand for my Corporation or Alliance views.
Slade
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 00:23:00 -
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Quote: If this war is taking up alot of time how do the Privateers have time to run missions to get isk? Or do the Privateers have carebare mission running alts that funnel isk to the corp (maybe?) to continue a war they are losing (maybe?) I mean if you are fighting mostly newbies in frigates and what not you probably are not getting money from loot.
Oh for crying out loud, go look at their KB, forget about ours and get some real facts about what they fly and lose.
Just get your facts right about Ivy, they don't fly around itty bitty ships with no skills. They do fly T1 stuff and their loot is worthless except for melting down. We generally fly T2 and isk cost to us are greater than theirs.
The ship loss is 190 Privateers to 426 Ivy.
Say something truthfull of STFU.
Hooch
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Hamishka
DROW Org Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.05.28 00:29:00 -
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If this wasn't EVE Uni doing this to Privateers, this wouldn't even be a point of discussion. This seems pretty clearly like an abuse of game mechanics, and I would imagine/hope it's only a matter of time until CCP fixes it. All these long rambling posts about how important the university is to the game and how a war against might have an effect on new players joining the game (lolz...) completely miss the real issue, which is whether a mechanic like this is intended and should be allowed. If this was "AznFarmerKekekekek Corp" avoiding a war dec by a reputable corporation, I really doubt there'd be anywhere near this much "discussion"/dodging of the real issue.
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Leto Becken
Blue Cloud Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.28 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Leto Becken on 28/05/2008 00:52:52 The difference is the Uni isn't avoiding the dec. They have simply caused the price of the dec to increase(and lets face it, war decs are cheap as heck to begin with).
If the Privateers can't, or don't wish to keep paying the bill for the war, thats a choice they made. The Uni hasn't done anything to force the war to end.
Everyone should remember that currently this is not a exploit. Consider it on the same level as empire suiciding, but until CCP says that it's a exploit, it's a perfectly valid tactic. I applaud the Uni for discovering this and using it to financially strike back at your aggressors, this is war and you pulled out all the weapons.
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Sodred
League of Gentlemen Search and Destroy
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Posted - 2008.05.28 01:37:00 -
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So the analogy that 1st came to mind was that a professional boxer shows up to St. Mary Elementry School's 3rd period PE class to beat down some 5th graders, only to find out he has to pay an admission fee.
Then cry about it. And yeah... it did come across like crying.
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Stevens
Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.28 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Leto Becken Everyone should remember that currently this is not a exploit. Consider it on the same level as empire suiciding, but until CCP says that it's a exploit, it's a perfectly valid tactic. I applaud the Uni for discovering this and using it to financially strike back at your aggressors, this is war and you pulled out all the weapons.
Hate to tell you it has been declared an exploit. Try to keep up.
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.05.28 02:10:00 -
[294]
You know, Hooch - EVE-U wouldn mind in the slightest bit that they're decced.
If only it were once a month for a week....
Keeping them decced and playing the bad boy though is what you, or privateers, like best though. At least, it seems that way to me. You're too proud and stubborn to call it off now and try again another time.
EVE-U is simply trying it's best to stop this nonsense. Their methods might be controversial, but their position on this war and any wardec on them is clear, would anyone have bothered to look them up or simply ask them.
And if you really want to keep on griefing, you could always get AoC and gank some people outside Tortage.
EVE History Wiki
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.05.28 02:52:00 -
[295]
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 28/05/2008 02:52:57
Originally by: The Hooch
Quote: If this war is taking up alot of time how do the Privateers have time to run missions to get isk? Or do the Privateers have carebare mission running alts that funnel isk to the corp (maybe?) to continue a war they are losing (maybe?) I mean if you are fighting mostly newbies in frigates and what not you probably are not getting money from loot.
Oh for crying out loud, go look at their KB, forget about ours and get some real facts about what they fly and lose.
Just get your facts right about Ivy, they don't fly around itty bitty ships with no skills. They do fly T1 stuff and their loot is worthless except for melting down. We generally fly T2 and isk cost to us are greater than theirs.
The ship loss is 190 Privateers to 426 Ivy.
Say something truthfull of STFU.
Hooch
I did a little research and made a few edits to change some unfounded speculation, but I made no statement of hard fact in what you quoted by me (See ?'s). So calling me a liar is well incorrect. The new post address some of my concerns, if you choose to answer cool, if not forget about my post and I am gone.
Slade
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Arbelia Amarsa
Duchy of Amarsa
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Posted - 2008.05.28 05:23:00 -
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Actually this is so funny, i love listening to the privatear supporters say how stupid Ivy League is for spending all this ISK blah blah. The joke is on you fools, CCP is footing the bill! Keep thinking you are so smart privatears ----------------------------------------
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Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Haruspex Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.28 08:34:00 -
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Is this actually an exploit or is it fighting military power with economic power?
It seems obvious (to me at least), that the Privateers have significantly better ships and are overall better at the pvp aspect of the game - it is after all what they specialise in. If they want to war-dec Uni they have every right to do so for as long as they like. The fact that the Uni is a neutral entity is completely irrelevant, the game mechanics give privateers every right to wardec the Uni for no other reason than they can.
As to what the Uni have done, they have taken an in-game mechanic and used it to hurt their opponant. Multiple wars increasing the cost of the war dec is completely intended. The use of shadowy shell companies and corporate double dealings are equally as much a part of this game. It's not just internet spaceships pew-pewing each other, the game is set in a murky, grubby landscape of double-dealing corporations and an utterly corrupt police force that can be paid to look the other way. Corporate warfare is as important as ship to ship warfare, and the same response for people who don't like player vs player warfare should be reserved for those who don't like corporation vs corporation warfare.
That being said the Dev's really should look at this and make some sort of ruling of intent at least. I can see that if the Uni are finding some way of making these wardecss less expensive than they should be, the privateers might have a point (as much as I hate to admit it!). Even if changes can't be implemeted till a later patch, some sort of "cease and desist" warning from the mods (or a "go ahead") would be appreciated by the community.
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Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 10:05:00 -
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Edited by: Kyle Frost on 28/05/2008 10:05:59
Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 28/05/2008 02:49:37 Words from someone that is unaffiliated, in every form and fashion, with either of the intities. Words from someone who has little understanding of what is going on here, as it has to do with creating alts and declaign wars and joinging alliances
Too all who are saying; Why is EVE Uni doing this? -
I would suspect that it has to do with ransoms period. Why should they pay 2 billion or 4 billion isk when there is no guarantee that the war deck will actually stop. I mean how many of you would pay a ransom on your ship? (redundant question) The only way the the Uni can get out of this is to force the monetary value of the war deck so high for the Privateer's to a point where they deem it not worth to pay.
But all the new students get PvP training non-stop -
Yes, that is true. But then the Uni cuts off recruiting during wars, like many other alliances and corps do, thus cutting off newer players from the purely educational EVE Uni.
The Uni plays an integral part in the EVE Universe. They are purely built around teaching new players how to play the game. Other corps my say they do this, but that is not their sole purpose and they typically do not have the resources and/or publicity to maximise their efforts like EVE Uni does.
The constant war deck on EVE Uni may hurt EVE in general. If new players do not keep coming in then the subscription numbers drop and guess what happens if that consistantly happens. WOD comes out and CCP's need for EVE just may dissapear (maybe? and boy I hope not). I am not saying this one situation will cause this to happen, but you have all heard of the weak link in a chain theory; right?
I have heard that the reason for the Privateers decking Uni was "because they can", but that is just the lamest excuse to do anything, in game or in real life. If it because you dispise what they do, fine, but realize that those actions may have greater effects on the game then you are currently thinking about.
All that highseat hypothetical preachery aside. I do not like the concept of anyone using anything that is deemed an exploit. So we will see where the cards fall.
All of this is purely my opinion that was asked for by The Hooch himself in a cross post in Crime and Punishment and my view most definatly does not mirror/resemble/feflect/ or stand for my Corporation or Alliance views.
Slade
As another poster pointed out û the stupidity and ignorance in this thread is reaching a staggering amount.
ôThe Uni plays an integral part in the EVE Universe.ö
Bull**** ! The game tutorial is so extensive it explains nearly every aspect of the game. There are numerous help channels where you can ask questions, not to mention there is tons of useful information on the forums û all you have to do is read. Also , for me at least , it was great fun to explore and discover different parts of EVE on my own. After you learn the basics you can apply for a 0.0 corp , a pirate corp , an industrial one or whatever it is you enjoy and want to be part of. There are many corps and alliances who accept new players. Why will anyone stick with E-Uni for more than 1 or 2 months is beyond me. It appears that now itÆs being run by a bunch of egocentrics who are busy acting superior and showing off in front of the young players. I donÆt think they have time to teach them anything except maybe how to cheat. Those last words are not mine btw û they come from a few E-Uni students ( and ex-students ). Oh and 1 more thing û being in the NPC starting corp is a safer then being in the Uni right now ;)
P.S. IVY brought this on themselves. I donÆt know how else to explain it to youà would it be more clear if I draw it or something ?
P.P.S. If IVY pays up we will stop attacking them û honest ! And of course you have a guarantee , I swear in the boobs of my 17 exotic dancers ------
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Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.28 10:48:00 -
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a picture would be nice indeed.
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Sani Ka
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 11:14:00 -
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"As another poster pointed out û the stupidity and ignorance in this thread is reaching a staggering amount."
this is very true but you would be blind to think that it is all coming from one side or the other.
and who invited all the empire carebears and advanced carebears in here? sriously gtfo k
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Mysteriaxe
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Posted - 2008.05.28 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Mysteriaxe on 28/05/2008 11:29:03 Wrong char
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Mysteriax
Scoopex
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Posted - 2008.05.28 11:29:00 -
[302]
About ransom. The thing is if Ivy would pay the ransom even if Privateers would back down other grief corpses would try to do the same thing to Ivy. Even if Hooch says he would do it under the table eventually it would leak out to CAOD. Which means they will get wardecced over and over again. Simply paying the ransom is so option for Ivy.
I am sure Priv will keep deccing Ivy, even when they are losing badly they cant afford to lose face to Ivy (again) So basicly they are going around into circles now. Ivy wont pay the ransom and Priv wont stop the wardec. So 1 party is trying to break the stalemate with use of an ingame mechanic which is there planned or not.
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Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Haruspex Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.28 11:29:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Sani Ka and who invited all the empire carebears and advanced carebears in here? sriously gtfo k
Is there some sort of forum access restriction for yarrrr types only?
I would have thought commom interest is the thing that's pulling in the carebears - it is after all carebears that get wardecced by merciless pirates who feast on their tears and dance on their wrecks and shattered dreams!
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Ernst Schafer
The Nakano Seafood Concern
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Posted - 2008.05.28 11:36:00 -
[304]
Originally by: Stevens Edited by: Stevens on 28/05/2008 02:02:18
Originally by: Leto Becken Everyone should remember that currently this is not a exploit. Consider it on the same level as empire suiciding, but until CCP says that it's a exploit, it's a perfectly valid tactic. I applaud the Uni for discovering this and using it to financially strike back at your aggressors, this is war and you pulled out all the weapons.
Hate to tell you it has been declared an exploit. Try to keep up.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned
Please wait for the official announcement by the GMs, the process has already started to review the matter, posting multiple threads about the subject and highlighting alleged inconsistencies between CCP employees and ISD volunteers detracts from the message you're attempting to make.
Please link to something if you have information more recent. It is misinformation about what is and what is not an exploit that causes a lot of ****.
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Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.28 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Originally by: Sani Ka and who invited all the empire carebears and advanced carebears in here? sriously gtfo k
Is there some sort of forum access restriction for yarrrr types only?
I would have thought commom interest is the thing that's pulling in the carebears - it is after all carebears that get wardecced by merciless pirates who feast on their tears and dance on their wrecks and shattered dreams!
What the man said.
I mean come on , getting actually rid of the one alliance who makes empire dangerous every now and then is the definition of the carebears dream.
What most of the ppl in this game have yet to learn is that PvP actually is fun and when you try it outside of the blob you might even get good at it and enjoy it even more.
And yes i know there are other aspects of this game .. bla bla ...
And we all know that if you donŠt want to fight there are millions of ways to avoid it in empire. So why all the hard feelings and mud throwing ?
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 28/05/2008 12:23:16 Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 28/05/2008 12:21:13 Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 28/05/2008 12:20:27
Originally by: Kyle Frost As another poster pointed out û the stupidity and ignorance in this thread is reaching a staggering amount.
ôThe Uni plays an integral part in the EVE Universe.ö
Bull**** ! The game tutorial is so extensive it explains nearly every aspect of the game. There are numerous help channels where you can ask questions, not to mention there is tons of useful information on the forums û all you have to do is read. Also , for me at least , it was great fun to explore and discover different parts of EVE on my own. After you learn the basics you can apply for a 0.0 corp , a pirate corp , an industrial one or whatever it is you enjoy and want to be part of. There are many corps and alliances who accept new players. Why will anyone stick with E-Uni for more than 1 or 2 months is beyond me. It appears that now itÆs being run by a bunch of egocentrics who are busy acting superior and showing off in front of the young players. I donÆt think they have time to teach them anything except maybe how to cheat. Those last words are not mine btw û they come from a few E-Uni students ( and ex-students ). Oh and 1 more thing û being in the NPC starting corp is a safer then being in the Uni right now ;)
P.S. IVY brought this on themselves. I donÆt know how else to explain it to youà would it be more clear if I draw it or something ?
P.P.S. If IVY pays up we will stop attacking them û honest ! And of course you have a guarantee , I swear in the boobs of my 17 exotic dancers
Alright, that is a decent response. As the 1st line stated, in my 1st post, I had really no clue of what is going on and I posted with some idealistic thoughts of what EVE Uni provides to the game. So since I have no idea what is truley going on I bow and leave COAD since me thinks leadership would slap me for posting in the 1st place.
O_\
Slade
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Exodus Alpha
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Posted - 2008.05.28 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Frost
Bull**** ! The game tutorial is so extensive it explains nearly every aspect of the game.
Even though this is sure to be removed, I just want to call you out on one thing since I've been following this monkey show.
I would bet that its a pretty safe assumption that you haven't been anywhere near the tutorials in quite a while. As someone who has, you're full of **** yourself if you think the tutorials are in any way comprehensive to someone new to Eve. Certainly with prior experience the tuts may seem "extensive" to you if you bothered to look at them again before pulling this out of your ass, but that's only your own experience filling in the gaps.
Now go on again with your silly ways, CAOD people. This is pretty damn entertaining.
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Exodus Alpha
Originally by: Kyle Frost
Bull**** ! The game tutorial is so extensive it explains nearly every aspect of the game.
Even though this is sure to be removed, I just want to call you out on one thing since I've been following this monkey show.
I would bet that its a pretty safe assumption that you haven't been anywhere near the tutorials in quite a while. As someone who has, you're full of **** yourself if you think the tutorials are in any way comprehensive to someone new to Eve. Certainly with prior experience the tuts may seem "extensive" to you if you bothered to look at them again before pulling this out of your ass, but that's only your own experience filling in the gaps.
Now go on again with your silly ways, CAOD people. This is pretty damn entertaining.
Hey douche bag ... OBVIOUSLY CCP feels feels that the tutorials ARE comprehensive ENOUGH to someone new to eve ...
OR ELSE they would have created something to fill the void by now to keep noobs safe while they adjust to the game ...
OH WAIT they did ... ITS CALLED A NPC corp
Thanks,
PB
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Exodus Alpha
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Posted - 2008.05.28 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Exodus Alpha on 28/05/2008 19:22:46 Edited by: Exodus Alpha on 28/05/2008 19:21:40
Originally by: The PitBoss Hey douche bag ... OBVIOUSLY CCP feels feels that the tutorials ARE comprehensive ENOUGH to someone new to eve ...
OR ELSE they would have created something to fill the void by now to keep noobs safe while they adjust to the game ...
OH WAIT they did ... ITS CALLED A NPC corp
Just like they've fixed the obviously awesome UI of its faults that have been there for years, nyeh?
**The PitBoss's logical troll attempt hits post quality for OVER NINE THOUSAND!!
If you had put any though into that rather than just trying to refute what I was saying, you would have realized that things don't get fixed quickly without widespread community uproar or other pressing reasons. Noobs inherently aren't going to create community uproar because they wouldn't know how to if they wanted to, they just live with it.
And I didn't claim noobs needed to be kept safe anywhere. If anything, they need to die more rather than being carebear coddled so much that they're shell-shocked when they actually start playing the game instead of fiddling around. THEN they have to run away to such and such NPC corp to avoid big, bad wardeccing alliance #913293.
But all that is irrelevant to the thread anyway.
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Exodus Alpha Edited by: Exodus Alpha on 28/05/2008 19:22:46 Edited by: Exodus Alpha on 28/05/2008 19:21:40
What was your point again ?
You lost me before AND the 2 times after you edited your response
Thanks,
PB
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 19:34:00 -
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I think PrivateRears are just whining cuz they are being beaten in the Economic Warfare version of Eve and just want to play the Griefer Warfare version of Eve.
Like the CareBear response to Goons Empire Jihad, they are completely playing within the rules. Should CCP decide to change the rules, then there is cause to end Uni's actions. But for now, its as legal as:
- Suicide Ganking in Empire - Logoffski - Can Flipping - Gang Baiting - Complex Farming - Complex Blocking - Plutonium Trade Routes - Spying - Corp Theft
Face it, PrivateRears: You've been beaten by Economic Power. Haha.
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Exodus Alpha
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Posted - 2008.05.28 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: The PitBoss What was your point again ?
You lost me before AND the 2 times after you edited your response
I'm sorry, do you not speak English? That would certainly explain a lot, I suppose.
Oh, and two minor edits don't equal completely post rewrites, though the way most people here seem to treat edits you may as well be talking about the person's mother. If you're really that editphobic, here's the original version for you so you can make up a witty non-reply again:
Quote: Just like they've fixed the obviously awesome UI of its faults that have been after for years, nyeh?
**The PitBoss's logical troll attempt hits post quality for OVER NINE THOUSAND!!
If you had put any though into that rather than just trying to refute what I was saying, you would have realized that things don't get fixed quickly without widespread community uproar or other pressing reasons. Noobs inherently aren't going to create community uproar because they wouldn't know how to if they wanted to, they just live with it.
And I didn't claim noobs needed to be kept safe anywhere. If anything, they need to die more rather than being carebear coddled so much that they're shell-shocked when they actually start playing the game instead of fiddling around and have to run away to such and such NPC corp to avoid big, bad wardeccing alliance #913293.
But all that is irrelevant to the thread anyway.
I underlined the edits for you, so you wouldn't get too confused finding them given its the exact same post. I'm not going to dumb down my posts just so you can understand what I'm saying, though, so my initial point still stands. Eve Uni definitely is not "integral to Eve", but they do fill a gap left wide open between going through the tuts and actually getting into anything. Kyle Frost's claim that the in-game tutorials are "extensive" and "explain nearly every aspect of the game" is just pure bull****.
Which is about par for CAOD.
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.05.28 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Nexa Necis on 28/05/2008 19:48:45 I love how people seem to think that Ivy League paying a ransom to Privateers would generate multiple war decs against them for ransom. You obviously have zero clue about Ivy League and how they fight.
They can put together massive gangs and kick booty like nobody's business. You might get some cheap, crappy frig kills or hauler kills when the n00bs fail to heed the elders warnings, but you will have to earn your kills. It's not like you're decing some mission pharming corp flying CNR's with officer gear at 3 weeks old.
Personally, I think it's a complete crap move on Ivy League's part. First they start harboring corps who whimp out of a completely fair fight when that corp gets war dec'd. Hi LOLS!
Now they are pushing game mechanics to the limit. I am guessing at the moment that tactic is legal, but I will venture a guess that CCP never intended it to be utilized in such a fashion.
People say it's funny Privateers are complaining about the war situation when in the past, they caused a huge uproar with their "dec every single corp in Eve" campaign. The difference is, Privateers paid the price for the wars and put themselves at a fairly decent risk I'd say considering they had a few hundred active wars at once.
In this case Ivy League is incurring a small fraction of the cost per week and they are basically making themselves near immune to a war dec unless someone can pay whatever it cost's which, obviously is way above the normal realm of dec costs.
Between the corpjumpers making alt corps to avoid war and Ivy League making 20+ alt corps to reduce the chance of them being dec'd to near 0%, I think CCP will definitely be looking into changing the mechanics.
It's a weak move by a strong alliance. Ivy League has the funds and the manpower to maintain long wars I would think. So does Privateers. Instead of duking it out or arranging a settlement, they took the cheap, easy and near-exploitive way out.
I don't view it as a creative solution. It will just make alliances that much harder to dec since it will cost the agressor 20x more than what the other side has to pay.
I salute Privateers for keeping the war active, even though there is no profit in it for them, they are fighting based on principle alone. I wish I had enough money to fund Privateers to keep Ivy League permadec'd.
It's going to be really fun to see what changes CCP makes in the future to curtail this, and it will be fun to see Privateers bring it back to Ivy League and make them pay.
I said it back when Ivy League harbored our war targets who didn't even try to fight and I will say it again and agree with previous posters. Ivy League has ceased to be a neutral training alliance.
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Boom ChickaBoom
Friendly Pod Poppers
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Posted - 2008.05.28 20:00:00 -
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Hooch, use an alt make a dummy 1 man corp scam Ivy league to set up that perma war dec thingy then bring that alt corp into the Privateers.
Then you will have a perma war dec with them and free pew pew forever.
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 20:15:00 -
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I wish to thank all posters in this thread, good and bad, pro and con. I do think we have beaten the horse enough now.
It is in the hands of CCP and they are dealing with it. That is enough for me.
Hooch
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Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.05.28 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sodred So the analogy that 1st came to mind was that a professional boxer shows up to St. Mary Elementry School's 3rd period PE class to beat down some 5th graders, only to find out he has to pay an admission fee.
Then cry about it. And yeah... it did come across like crying.
No analogy here, just fallacies, let me put it right:
You're forgetting the fact that these fifth-graders have already absorbed NCAA wrestling students (LOLS) in their posse to gang up on other fifth-graders (TRAPS), and now they were wardecced by a professional boxer (privateers).
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The Jackhammer
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: The Hooch I wish to thank all posters in this thread, good and bad, pro and con. I do think we have beaten the horse enough now.
It is in the hands of CCP and they are dealing with it. That is enough for me.
Hooch
Boo ... I've reported you for being old and tired
Thank-You,
The Jackhammer
Banners and Signatures by: Kalen Vox
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 21:11:00 -
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No.. I wanna beat the dead horse some more. Since its dead, we've moved beyond any Animal Cruelty issues and moved into something more heroic like Rocky punching slabs of meat to get into better shape.
Plus, I wanna taste some more sweet, sweet Privatears Tears.
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 21:18:00 -
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Plus, I wanna taste some more sweet, sweet Privatears Tears.
Yawn, now you are just boring...
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Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Exodus Alpha Even though this is sure to be removed, I just want to call you out on one thing since I've been following this monkey show.
I would bet that its a pretty safe assumption that you haven't been anywhere near the tutorials in quite a while. As someone who has, you're full of **** yourself if you think the tutorials are in any way comprehensive to someone new to Eve. Certainly with prior experience the tuts may seem "extensive" to you if you bothered to look at them again before pulling this out of your ass, but that's only your own experience filling in the gaps.
Now go on again with your silly ways, CAOD people. This is pretty damn entertaining.
Actually, I have seen the tutorials û both the old and the present ones. And I believe that a normal person will have no trouble understanding them as long as he reads carefully and follows the instructions. Obviously , the tutorial canÆt cover absolutely EVERYTHING, but as I mentioned there are also various help channels and tons of helpful info posted on the forums. If you have problems with the tutorials I feel sorry for you. But you see, when I wrote my previous post I assumed that the new players interested in EvE would be at least of average intelligence . I guess you donÆt fall in that category . ------
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benzy
Aetas Inculta
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: The Hooch BTW, stop being a ****, Ivy I respect, you on the other hand are convincing me you're about 15 with a squeaky voice, head of the AV club at school and wearing a "Kirk kicks Picards ass" T-Shirt.
1. There's no AV club since that video of the sheep incident got you-tubed. 2. Any self respecting 15 year old knows that 7 of 9 (did I get that right?) kicks Picards ass. Anyone over 28 who was at one time head of the AV club knows Spock>everyone, including Vader in cross universe scenarios. 3. Any 15 year old will be convinced Kirk is the guy on Boston Legal instead, anyway, and thus, out of the running.
I hope you fight better than you flame. Because... wow.
benzy
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Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:02:00 -
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Benzy, perhaps itÆs time for your medication. I donÆt think that HoochÆs purpose here is to flame. He just got fed up with your stupidity. I mean û you are not funny , you are not original , you areà pathetic. Your only reasons to post in this thread is to boost your ego and flame people you dislike. I can understand why you do it, seeing that this is the only way you can show us how much you hate us, without being blown up. But remember û if mommy finds out that you have been screwing around with the PC instead of doing your homework, you are gonna be in BBBIIIGGG trouble :) ------
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ManufacturerAYE
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: benzy
Originally by: The Hooch BTW, stop being a ****, Ivy I respect, you on the other hand are convincing me you're about 15 with a squeaky voice, head of the AV club at school and wearing a "Kirk kicks Picards ass" T-Shirt.
1. There's no AV club since that video of the sheep incident got you-tubed. 2. Any self respecting 15 year old knows that 7 of 9 (did I get that right?) kicks Picards ass. Anyone over 28 who was at one time head of the AV club knows Spock>everyone, including Vader in cross universe scenarios. 3. Any 15 year old will be convinced Kirk is the guy on Boston Legal instead, anyway, and thus, out of the running.
I hope you fight better than you flame. Because... wow.
benzy
Nobody. NOBODY. is better than Picard. PERIOD.
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Zeutheir Caenn
Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.05.29 07:22:00 -
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Aside from concurring with the pro-Picard sentiments which preceded this reply, I just wanted to make a short post from a new player's perspective.
I got into EVE about 2 and a half or 3 weeks ago. I've played loads of MMOs in my life (started with the browser-based Planetarion at its launch, wrote an alliance-building advice column for their original portal as J-Kast if you remember at all, oh em gee old). But anyway, I was drawn to EVE looking for something new and decided to try it out partly because of the free trial and also after reading about Eve Uni.
A previous poster talked about the possible game-wide effects of the war as far as inhibitting new players from coming into the game. I'm still around, but I probably wouldn't be if I hadn't been playing similar games for years. I can see how anyone coming into EVE as their first MMO could be overwhelmed. And if they were looking forward to EU, they'll be out of luck. I obviously don't have any server subscription numbers, but I think it's easy for all sides - PRIVS and EU - to forget about the new player demographic which is being affected, and I hope that is kept in mind.
The uni may be offering some new public lectures or trying to appear to do normal things, but the kind of new player help which existed pre-war obviously isn't there, and I hear people talking every day about leaving EU or losing faith, giving up, and moving on to something else. I recently went through the tutorials and can honestly tell you that I didn't learn 1/6 enough to actually get involved in "real" EVE gameplay. Regardless of any causes of this wardec, reasons for it being prolonged, and the inability of it to end, I sincerely hope that new player aid can take some new form soon.
Anyway, I just wanted to offer a 3-week-old perspective since I imagine many recently new players either leave before their trial is over or simply don't read the forums and, thus, don't have their voices heard.
in b4 delicious carebear tears
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.29 07:34:00 -
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I keep seing idiots posting: "I love sweet privateer tears" not realising the fact that if GoonSwarm had done this, they would be yelling 'sploits at their monitor, banging their hands on the keyboard and throw their rig out of the window in nerd rage.
we are recruiting!
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Exodus Alpha
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Posted - 2008.05.29 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Inertial I keep seing idiots posting: "I love sweet privateer tears" not realising the fact that if GoonSwarm had done this, they would be yelling 'sploits at their monitor, banging their hands on the keyboard and throw their rig out of the window in nerd rage.
I seriously doubt people would care about GoonSwarm if GoonSwarm was in Ivy's position rather than a major 0.0 alliance.
In before more failed logic.
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Kyrie Elaison
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.05.29 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Exodus Alpha
Originally by: Inertial I keep seing idiots posting: "I love sweet privateer tears" not realising the fact that if GoonSwarm had done this, they would be yelling 'sploits at their monitor, banging their hands on the keyboard and throw their rig out of the window in nerd rage.
I seriously doubt people would care about GoonSwarm if GoonSwarm was in Ivy's position rather than a major 0.0 alliance.
In before more failed logic.
Nice ticker.
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Kelduum Revaan
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.29 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: The Hooch I wish to thank all posters in this thread, good and bad, pro and con. I do think we have beaten the horse enough now.
It is in the hands of CCP and they are dealing with it. That is enough for me.
I have to say I am personally in agreement with Hooch regarding this.
I think it is safe to say that everything relevant has been covered now, and this thread is rapidly turning into repeats of posts from a few pages back.
As Hooch said, its now up to CCP. I am sure there will be a forum post or news article once the result has been decided.
-- Kelduum Revaan Still not the Diplomatic Director, and the only person behind this. Eve University <IVY>
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Exodus Alpha
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Posted - 2008.05.29 09:51:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Kyrie Elaison
Originally by: Exodus Alpha
Originally by: Inertial I keep seing idiots posting: "I love sweet privateer tears" not realising the fact that if GoonSwarm had done this, they would be yelling 'sploits at their monitor, banging their hands on the keyboard and throw their rig out of the window in nerd rage.
I seriously doubt people would care about GoonSwarm if GoonSwarm was in Ivy's position rather than a major 0.0 alliance.
In before more failed logic.
Nice ticker.
I know! Its great, right?
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.29 10:19:00 -
[330]
Originally by: Zeutheir Caenn Aside from concurring with the pro-Picard sentiments which preceded this reply, I just wanted to make a short post from a new player's perspective.
I got into EVE about 2 and a half or 3 weeks ago. I've played loads of MMOs in my life (started with the browser-based Planetarion at its launch, wrote an alliance-building advice column for their original portal as J-Kast if you remember at all, oh em gee old). But anyway, I was drawn to EVE looking for something new and decided to try it out partly because of the free trial and also after reading about Eve Uni.
A previous poster talked about the possible game-wide effects of the war as far as inhibitting new players from coming into the game. I'm still around, but I probably wouldn't be if I hadn't been playing similar games for years. I can see how anyone coming into EVE as their first MMO could be overwhelmed. And if they were looking forward to EU, they'll be out of luck. I obviously don't have any server subscription numbers, but I think it's easy for all sides - PRIVS and EU - to forget about the new player demographic which is being affected, and I hope that is kept in mind.
The uni may be offering some new public lectures or trying to appear to do normal things, but the kind of new player help which existed pre-war obviously isn't there, and I hear people talking every day about leaving EU or losing faith, giving up, and moving on to something else. I recently went through the tutorials and can honestly tell you that I didn't learn 1/6 enough to actually get involved in "real" EVE gameplay. Regardless of any causes of this wardec, reasons for it being prolonged, and the inability of it to end, I sincerely hope that new player aid can take some new form soon.
Anyway, I just wanted to offer a 3-week-old perspective since I imagine many recently new players either leave before their trial is over or simply don't read the forums and, thus, don't have their voices heard.
in b4 delicious carebear tears
BUT yet somehow you survived AND after your 2-3 weeks in-game you've made it to a nice little corp: Hadean Drive Yards ... AND to a nice little Alliance: Archean Cooperative ...
Your point? ... Ah yes .. your point is that it is a big universe out there and THERE IS other options out there for the NOOB players besides Eve University
Thanks,
PB
Siggys and Banners by: Kalen Vox |
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Exodus Alpha
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:15:00 -
[331]
Originally by: The PitBoss
Originally by: Zeutheir Caenn Aside from concurring with the pro-Picard sentiments which preceded this reply, I just wanted to make a short post from a new player's perspective.
I got into EVE about 2 and a half or 3 weeks ago. I've played loads of MMOs in my life (started with the browser-based Planetarion at its launch, wrote an alliance-building advice column for their original portal as J-Kast if you remember at all, oh em gee old). But anyway, I was drawn to EVE looking for something new and decided to try it out partly because of the free trial and also after reading about Eve Uni.
A previous poster talked about the possible game-wide effects of the war as far as inhibitting new players from coming into the game. I'm still around, but I probably wouldn't be if I hadn't been playing similar games for years. I can see how anyone coming into EVE as their first MMO could be overwhelmed. And if they were looking forward to EU, they'll be out of luck. I obviously don't have any server subscription numbers, but I think it's easy for all sides - PRIVS and EU - to forget about the new player demographic which is being affected, and I hope that is kept in mind.
The uni may be offering some new public lectures or trying to appear to do normal things, but the kind of new player help which existed pre-war obviously isn't there, and I hear people talking every day about leaving EU or losing faith, giving up, and moving on to something else. I recently went through the tutorials and can honestly tell you that I didn't learn 1/6 enough to actually get involved in "real" EVE gameplay. Regardless of any causes of this wardec, reasons for it being prolonged, and the inability of it to end, I sincerely hope that new player aid can take some new form soon.
Anyway, I just wanted to offer a 3-week-old perspective since I imagine many recently new players either leave before their trial is over or simply don't read the forums and, thus, don't have their voices heard.
in b4 delicious carebear tears
BUT yet somehow you survived AND after your 2-3 weeks in-game you've made it to a nice little corp: Hadean Drive Yards ... AND to a nice little Alliance: Archean Cooperative ...
Your point? ... Ah yes .. your point is that it is a big universe out there and THERE IS other options out there for the NOOB players besides Eve University
The only reason you have this perception is because anyone without the wherewithal to figure out the game for themselves 1) isn't going to be anywhere near E-ON, 2) is not someone you'd have any regular contact with, 3) possibly already quit.
No one here is saying that Eve is impossible for people to figure out from the ground up without an organization like EU around, but it would conversely be incorrect to say that everyone is capable of figuring out the multifaceted ways of Eve without some help from others. Whether those others are EU, another teaching corp, a random corp, or just someone the noob happens to meet doesn't matter.
Plus, the game needs less carebears who complain when people come around and blow up their CNR in Empire, and that's all the tutorial teaches people to do.
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Setana Manoro
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:51:00 -
[332]
Edited by: Setana Manoro on 29/05/2008 11:51:47 Nice to see some response from CCP, not like they didn't see this thread since page one or knew of this way of exploiting the game mechanics, because that it is, using normal game mechanics that together give an unintended purpose.
But big props to EVE-Uni for doing it, you've just painted a target on you, and made privateers even more angry, good luck teaching newbies from now on. I wonder if Hooch started getting donations to keep the war going. :)
Either way, whomever put this tactic into practice, congrats. You are now known as the person who killed eve-uni. :)
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.05.29 12:01:00 -
[333]
How is it any more of an exploit to force privateers to pay more to maintain a grief war than it is to sit in a station owned by an alliance that can't kick you out of it and drive up prices?
It's part of the game. The only thing CCP has deemed an exploit is alliance hopping to evade wardecs. Note there is nothing that is being done here preventing the privateers from remaining at war with the eve-uni, the only thing that has been done is to make it obviously more expensive than they want to pay. My opinion: pay up or shut up and go back to gate camping the Sobieski to Jita gate.
Frankly coming here and crying a river that has reached lord knows how many pages by now says a LOT more about the privateers than it does anything else.
Cry more, privateers, cry more.
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.29 12:04:00 -
[334]
Quote: I wonder if Hooch started getting donations to keep the war going. :)
Well, funny this came up, I have gotten a few here and there . I am sure Ivy has been gotten some as well.
Hooch
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.29 12:27:00 -
[335]
Originally by: Jakke Logan My opinion: pay up or shut up and go back to gate camping the Sobieski to Jita gate.
Noone's interested in your opinion as you're obviously ********
Originally by: Jakke Logan
Frankly coming here and crying a river that has reached lord knows how many pages by now says a LOT more about the privateers than it does anything else.
Seems to me that more people are crying because they feel their little exploit is gonna get nuked by CCP soon.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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David Goodwill
GENTEC plc
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Posted - 2008.05.29 13:39:00 -
[336]
This thread is now about pie.
I like Apple pie best, with custard. |
nomadeyes
Squirley Wrath
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Posted - 2008.05.29 14:07:00 -
[337]
Originally by: David Goodwill This thread is now about pie.
I like Apple pie best, with custard.
It's a tossup between pecan and rhubarb for me... It is far better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. |
Zeutheir Caenn
Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.05.29 14:34:00 -
[338]
Originally by: nomadeyes
Originally by: David Goodwill This thread is now about pie.
I like Apple pie best, with custard.
It's a tossup between pecan and rhubarb for me...
Key lime. By far.
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.05.29 16:27:00 -
[339]
I agree with what some others have posted that if it was any number of other corps pulling this the story would be different. Because there is such a bais against Privateers it seems like any tactic you use against them is fair, even if it's skirting the edge of being exploitive.
At least Ivy is admitting to it. Not that they could avoid owning up to it but still.
If they keep this up and say CCP doesn't do anything in an immediate sense, how about decing all the people who jumped from Ivy. Make it to where if you're affiliated with them, you will be hunted as well. Make it even more unappealing to be in Ivy than it already is.
It's like if you can't kill the main boss, then hurt his family and friends.
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David Goodwill
GENTEC plc
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Posted - 2008.05.29 16:34:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Nexa Necis I agree with what some others have posted that if it was any number of other corps pulling this the story would be different. Because there is such a bais against Privateers it seems like any tactic you use against them is fair, even if it's skirting the edge of being exploitive.
At least Ivy is admitting to it. Not that they could avoid owning up to it but still.
If they keep this up and say CCP doesn't do anything in an immediate sense, how about decing all the people who jumped from Ivy. Make it to where if you're affiliated with them, you will be hunted as well. Make it even more unappealing to be in Ivy than it already is.
It's like if you can't kill the main boss, then hurt his family and friends.
I'm sorry but what does this have to do with pie?
Stay on topic please. |
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Tommy Foofoo
Molden Heath Gentlemen's Society
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Posted - 2008.05.29 18:00:00 -
[341]
Edited by: Tommy Foofoo on 29/05/2008 18:00:20
Originally by: Nexa Necis Make it to where if you're affiliated with them, you will be hunted as well.
So, go to war with half of empire and most of nullsec as a way of getting back at Eve Uni?
Yeah, I'll get right on that.
Edit: Pie!
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.29 19:20:00 -
[342]
Originally by: Tommy Foofoo Edited by: Tommy Foofoo on 29/05/2008 18:00:20
Originally by: Nexa Necis Make it to where if you're affiliated with them, you will be hunted as well.
So, go to war with half of empire and most of nullsec as a way of getting back at Eve Uni?
Yeah, I'll get right on that.
Edit: Pie!
Been there, done that.
SKUNK
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Bain's hoe
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Posted - 2008.05.29 19:35:00 -
[343]
i am always game for a good strawberry cream pie =)
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Faekurias
Cash Money Brothers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.29 19:42:00 -
[344]
Originally by: Bain's hoe cream pie =)
Oh rly... Sig locked, abuse of use - for more information mail [email protected] |
Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.29 20:23:00 -
[345]
i have to admit thats a pretty good tactic Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan |
Blackjack OMalley
Blackjack Security Services
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Posted - 2008.05.30 03:23:00 -
[346]
French Silk, with a nice meringue. Oh, and at least a 2/1 ratio of chocolate to meringue.
-------------------------------------------- Give him back the knife, because the children of men have need of it |
Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Haruspex Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.30 08:23:00 -
[347]
Originally by: Nexa Necis Make it to where if you're affiliated with them, you will be hunted as well.
So, go to war with half of empire and most of nullsec as a way of getting back at Eve Uni?
Yeah, I'll get right on that.
Edit: Pie!
Can't see the war errupting into low-sec - no carebears there. No point unlsess there's tears!
Anyhow, whats with all the sweet pies? Steak and Kidney all the way!!!!
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Zealota
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.05.30 15:26:00 -
[348]
I recently discovered a disturbing fact about IVYs premeditated exploit. A good friend of mine who resides within Eve University has come to make acquaintances with Kelduum Revaan and after gaining his trust and friendship over a long period of time was entrusted with an off the record opinion on the exploit. What my friend within Eve University relayed to me was as followed.
During numerous forums of IVYs top leaders discussing possible ways to hold back the privateer war, it was felt conventional methods were not working and more drastic measures were needed quickly to take control and resume normal scheduled activities. One idea submitted to the rest of the top IVY leaders by Kelduum Revaan was this ôexploitö. After merely 30minutes of the idea being proposed all leaders unanimously agreed it as the best course of action. Firstly this proves Kelduum Revaan is lying about it being unconditionally his idea and responsibility. Secondly and most disturbing is that he reviled to my mole within the alliance that he personally knows a game developer within CCP and claimed a rl favour from the developer to overlooked his submitted bug reports and questioning of the exploits legality in game to make it seem like the had done some homework on the matter therefore appearing to look like he had legitimate regard for being a fair player to other developers, members of his alliance and the eve community.
I cannot be sure this second hand information is 100% accurate or even true but if it is, not only am I completely stunned but its a drama bomb waiting to happen! Not to mention a possible ban!
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Landarian
Absolutely No Retreat Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.30 15:48:00 -
[349]
Originally by: Zealota ...{stuff}...
lollerskates .... love those "facts" there
My dog leaves facts like that in tightly coiled piles on the lawn
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The RedPlague
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.30 16:03:00 -
[350]
Originally by: Zealota I recently discovered a disturbing fact about IVYs premeditated exploit. A good friend of mine who resides within Eve University has come to make acquaintances with Kelduum Revaan and after gaining his trust and friendship over a long period of time was entrusted with an off the record opinion on the exploit. What my friend within Eve University relayed to me was as followed.
During numerous forums of IVYs top leaders discussing possible ways to hold back the privateer war, it was felt conventional methods were not working and more drastic measures were needed quickly to take control and resume normal scheduled activities. One idea submitted to the rest of the top IVY leaders by Kelduum Revaan was this ôexploitö. After merely 30minutes of the idea being proposed all leaders unanimously agreed it as the best course of action. Firstly this proves Kelduum Revaan is lying about it being unconditionally his idea and responsibility. Secondly and most disturbing is that he reviled to my mole within the alliance that he personally knows a game developer within CCP and claimed a rl favour from the developer to overlooked his submitted bug reports and questioning of the exploits legality in game to make it seem like the had done some homework on the matter therefore appearing to look like he had legitimate regard for being a fair player to other developers, members of his alliance and the eve community.
I cannot be sure this second hand information is 100% accurate or even true but if it is, not only am I completely stunned but its a drama bomb waiting to happen! Not to mention a possible ban!
Cheers,
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.30 16:56:00 -
[351]
I recently discovered a disturbing fact about IVYs premeditated exploit. A good friend of mine who resides within Eve University has come to make acquaintances with Kelduum Revaan and after gaining his trust and friendship over a long period of time was entrusted with an off the record opinion on the exploit. What my friend within Eve University relayed to me was as followed.
During numerous forums of IVYs top leaders discussing possible ways to hold back the privateer war, it was felt conventional methods were not working and more drastic measures were needed quickly to take control and resume normal scheduled activities. One idea submitted to the rest of the top IVY leaders by Kelduum Revaan was this ôexploitö. After merely 30minutes of the idea being proposed all leaders unanimously agreed it as the best course of action. Firstly this proves Kelduum Revaan is lying about it being unconditionally his idea and responsibility. Secondly and most disturbing is that he reviled to my mole within the alliance that he personally knows a game developer within CCP and claimed a rl favour from the developer to overlooked his submitted bug reports and questioning of the exploits legality in game to make it seem like the had done some homework on the matter therefore appearing to look like he had legitimate regard for being a fair player to other developers, members of his alliance and the eve community.
I cannot be sure this second hand information is 100% accurate or even true but if it is, not only am I completely stunned but its a drama bomb waiting to happen! Not to mention a possible ban
Please contact me in game. We need to talk...
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
WulfWestphal
Niflhel
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Posted - 2008.05.30 18:10:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Zealota
-laughable stuff-
Originally by: The Hooch
Please contact me in game. We need to talk...
you are both plain pathetic. good for amusement, but well in a pathetic way. like seeing a biker doing a dumb stunt who falls right on the face. ---
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The RedPlague
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.30 18:33:00 -
[353]
Originally by: WulfWestphal you are both plain pathetic. good for amusement, but well in a pathetic way. like seeing a biker doing a dumb stunt who falls right on the face.
About as pathetic as your analogy Cheers,
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Kelduum Revaan
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.30 18:43:00 -
[354]
Edited by: Kelduum Revaan on 30/05/2008 18:44:36 All I have to say is that you may want to have a look at previous posts by Zealota via Eve-Search, and pay close attention to the replies.
I would say this one is fairly representative: http://eve-search.com/thread/773724/page/4#96
Although, if its true, then POLARIS FRIGATES WITH DOOMSDAYS FITTED ALL ROUND!
-- Kelduum Revaan Still not Diplomatic Director, and Eve University <IVY>
Edit: Linking.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.30 18:43:00 -
[355]
If it looks too good to be true, Hooch, then it probably is. Go ahead though. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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isAzmodeus
The Seven
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Posted - 2008.05.31 02:47:00 -
[356]
Originally by: The Hooch
I cannot be sure this second hand information is 100% accurate or even true but if it is, not only am I completely stunned but its a drama bomb waiting to happen! Not to mention a possible ban[/b]
Please contact me in game. We need to talk...
Wow. For someone that spends so much time talking trash on the forums, you are either
1) stupid for even remotely believing that person 2) weakly attempting to raise the drama level by pretending to believe it
No matter which one it is, your forum-fu is weak on this. --------------------------------- The Seven- Blowing up someone near you. |
nomadeyes
Squirley Wrath
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Posted - 2008.05.31 03:52:00 -
[357]
Originally by: Zealota Stuff
I cannot be sure this second hand information is 100% accurate or even true...
Hooch, come on man you really believe this post? I may not be fond of the length of your war against Ivy but I always credited you with enough intelligence to see through a pile of BS when you saw one. This post has the same ring to it as all the ones about BRUCE taking over jita, or BOB disbanding... You've got someone posting about what some unnamed person was supposedly told? In a courtroom they call that Hearsay and tell the person to shut it.
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Exodus Alpha
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Posted - 2008.05.31 06:38:00 -
[358]
Originally by: The Hooch Please contact me in game. We need to talk...
lol fail
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Xiangy
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Posted - 2008.05.31 07:40:00 -
[359]
Originally by: Exodus Alpha
Originally by: The Hooch Please contact me in game. We need to talk...
lol fail
Indeed. Come on Hooch, don't tell me you are giving up!
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DeathEngine
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Posted - 2008.05.31 09:53:00 -
[360]
Originally by: Swiftness ITT a moron gloats about trying to ruin a corp which helps newbies enjoying eve. Hint : the more newbs enjoy eve, the longer the game will last
This.
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Sarwaka Foehammer
The Same 20 Guys
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Posted - 2008.05.31 10:11:00 -
[361]
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan I have to say, even if it had cost 10.5 billion ISK, it would be worth it to see the 'Priva-tears' (thank you, Tormenta) whining this has generated.
Ok, so, some clarifications, straight from the source:
- I am the one behind this, and it was done without the knowledge of anyone in Ivy League.
- Wars can be declared for "any reason". Admittedly it may not be the original intent, but this is a sandbox, after all.
- The accounts these 'alts' are on are not mine, but friends of mine who are new to Eve.
- Although these are not my accounts or characters, I did however provide some directions, and supplied the necessary ISK.
- Making a war mutual removes its cost, but also removes it from the cost calculations.
- There is nothing unusual with the wars themselves. They follow the normal mechanics in every way.
- The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design.
Now, claims involving horrendously bad calculations aside (and, I must say, its good to see that Mr Hooch has managed to find that calculator and edit his posts), I am not aware of anything that suggests this is an exploit of existing mechanics.
This does not make IVY immune to wars, however it should dissuade the Privateers from their apparent 'holy crusade' to destroy Eve University. I think it is safe to say that the killboard speaks for itself on their performance so far, as it is suggesting that the great and powerful Privateers are unable to kill a bunch of noobs and their teachers. Simply put, our pilots learn from their mistakes, and come back stronger next time.
As far as neutrality goes, now correct me if I am wrong here, neutrality is typically between multiple separate entities, but there seems to be only two involved here: The Privateers, and Ivy League. I don't see how any claims of breaching neutrality applies here.
Finally, regarding mercenaries, I'm not aware of IVY paying for any. I may be mistaken, but after looking through the corp wallet, I am under the impression that any mercenaries involved are working for free.
-- Kelduum Revaan Director Eve University <IVY>
Beyond any doubt, thhe post quoted above takes the cake as the biggest pile of LOSE ever published on CAOD.
EVE-UNI. you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
If your claimes are true and Privateers are not doing you any damage, then I would love to know why you needed to go to these lengths to try to avoid the wardec.
Losers losers losers.
Losers.
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Bladen Kerst
NAUCOM
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Posted - 2008.05.31 10:24:00 -
[362]
Edited by: Bladen Kerst on 31/05/2008 10:24:38 say it one more time pls. it really matters
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Exodus Alpha
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Posted - 2008.05.31 10:34:00 -
[363]
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer
If your claimes are true and Privateers are not doing you any damage, then I would love to know why you needed to go to these lengths to try to avoid the wardec.
Are you brain-dead, or maybe just a Privatears alt (though that would probably imply the first)? Eve Uni isn't much without recruitment, and it doesn't make since to recruit new players (that don't know how to defend themselves) in the middle of a war.
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
aurorae pacificas
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Posted - 2008.05.31 10:43:00 -
[364]
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan I have to say, even if it had cost 10.5 billion ISK, it would be worth it to see the 'Priva-tears' (thank you, Tormenta) whining this has generated.
Ok, so, some clarifications, straight from the source:
- I am the one behind this, and it was done without the knowledge of anyone in Ivy League.
- Wars can be declared for "any reason". Admittedly it may not be the original intent, but this is a sandbox, after all.
- The accounts these 'alts' are on are not mine, but friends of mine who are new to Eve.
- Although these are not my accounts or characters, I did however provide some directions, and supplied the necessary ISK.
- Making a war mutual removes its cost, but also removes it from the cost calculations.
- There is nothing unusual with the wars themselves. They follow the normal mechanics in every way.
- The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design.
Now, claims involving horrendously bad calculations aside (and, I must say, its good to see that Mr Hooch has managed to find that calculator and edit his posts), I am not aware of anything that suggests this is an exploit of existing mechanics.
This does not make IVY immune to wars, however it should dissuade the Privateers from their apparent 'holy crusade' to destroy Eve University. I think it is safe to say that the killboard speaks for itself on their performance so far, as it is suggesting that the great and powerful Privateers are unable to kill a bunch of noobs and their teachers. Simply put, our pilots learn from their mistakes, and come back stronger next time.
As far as neutrality goes, now correct me if I am wrong here, neutrality is typically between multiple separate entities, but there seems to be only two involved here: The Privateers, and Ivy League. I don't see how any claims of breaching neutrality applies here.
Finally, regarding mercenaries, I'm not aware of IVY paying for any. I may be mistaken, but after looking through the corp wallet, I am under the impression that any mercenaries involved are working for free.
-- Kelduum Revaan Director Eve University <IVY>
Beyond any doubt, thhe post quoted above takes the cake as the biggest pile of LOSE ever published on CAOD.
EVE-UNI. you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
If your claimes are true and Privateers are not doing you any damage, then I would love to know why you needed to go to these lengths to try to avoid the wardec.
Losers losers losers.
Losers.
Fraid I have to agree. While I have no interest at all in privateers (despite feeling have actually copped one too many nerfs already) I have supported Eve Uni prior to reading this by advising new players to join their ranks.
This whole episode has completely changed my opinion of Eve-Uni. The above quoted post, and the admittance of the borderline exploit within, represents (imo anyway) everything that is wrong with eve's community.
Face up to the dec, or pay em off, whatever. Hiding behind metagame borderline exploits is weak beyond belief. I hope ccp fix this by making mutual wardecs not effect the price of non consentuals.
Personally I will never advise another player to check you out and will actively let players know how ordinary your behavior and response to this has been.
big thumbs down Eve-U
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Bladen Kerst
NAUCOM
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Posted - 2008.05.31 10:51:00 -
[365]
I never stumbled upon eve-uni or privateers while playing this game, so all I know about them is from this thread which is not much. But one thing I was able to learn is that eve-uni leadership understans game mechanics better than privateers who are supposed to excell in high-sec wars... Moreover Privateers' leadership instead of trying to understand what actually happened came to CAOD and asked for public ridicule.
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Tommy Foofoo
Molden Heath Gentlemen's Society
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Posted - 2008.05.31 13:11:00 -
[366]
Edited by: Tommy Foofoo on 31/05/2008 13:11:54 Edited by: Tommy Foofoo on 31/05/2008 13:11:16
Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
Making a war mutual removes its cost, but also removes it from the cost calculations.
I hope ccp fix this by making mutual wardecs not effect the price of non consentuals.
Reading ftw
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.31 18:23:00 -
[367]
Originally by: Bladen Kerst I never stumbled upon eve-uni or privateers while playing this game, so all I know about them is from this thread which is not much. But one thing I was able to learn is that eve-uni leadership understans game mechanics better than privateers who are supposed to excell in high-sec wars... Moreover Privateers' leadership instead of trying to understand what actually happened came to CAOD and asked for public ridicule.
Well youve been sadly misinformed. The privateers (be it the corp) or the alliance are totally clueless when it comes to wardec exploits. Its not what they do.
You see they have never partook in anything that was even remotly classed as an exploit. CCP never looked into anything they did. They didnt ever have to "go and consider the legailty" of anything (unlike the EUIN stunt).
So i can confirm - when it comes to exploiting game mechanics - EUNI reign supreme.
SKUNK
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Lrrp
Gallente Mercantile Exchange
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Posted - 2008.06.01 02:48:00 -
[368]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Bladen Kerst I never stumbled upon eve-uni or privateers while playing this game, so all I know about them is from this thread which is not much. But one thing I was able to learn is that eve-uni leadership understans game mechanics better than privateers who are supposed to excell in high-sec wars... Moreover Privateers' leadership instead of trying to understand what actually happened came to CAOD and asked for public ridicule.
Well youve been sadly misinformed. The privateers (be it the corp) or the alliance are totally clueless when it comes to wardec exploits. Its not what they do.
You see they have never partook in anything that was even remotly classed as an exploit. CCP never looked into anything they did. They didnt ever have to "go and consider the legailty" of anything (unlike the EUIN stunt).
So i can confirm - when it comes to exploiting game mechanics - EUNI reign supreme.
SKUNK
So the Prive's were clueless prior to the war dec nerf and didn't exploit it?
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.06.01 02:58:00 -
[369]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 01/06/2008 03:03:51 Edited by: Le Skunk on 01/06/2008 03:03:15
Originally by: Lrrp
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Bladen Kerst I never stumbled upon eve-uni or privateers while playing this game, so all I know about them is from this thread which is not much. But one thing I was able to learn is that eve-uni leadership understans game mechanics better than privateers who are supposed to excell in high-sec wars... Moreover Privateers' leadership instead of trying to understand what actually happened came to CAOD and asked for public ridicule.
Well youve been sadly misinformed. The privateers (be it the corp) or the alliance are totally clueless when it comes to wardec exploits. Its not what they do.
You see they have never partook in anything that was even remotly classed as an exploit. CCP never looked into anything they did. They didnt ever have to "go and consider the legailty" of anything (unlike the EUIN stunt).
So i can confirm - when it comes to exploiting game mechanics - EUNI reign supreme.
SKUNK
So the Prive's were clueless prior to the war dec nerf and didn't exploit it?
There was no exploit. It was never judged to be an exploit. No one was warned, banned, threatend and all contact with CCP and ISD was positive.
This was despite 1 million carebear petitions.
Compare that to the other alliances in the game running bugged complexs, pos bowling, gifts from gms, node crashes, alt corp war decs.. (the list is endeless) and the irony is, that in stark contrast to their popular image, the Privateer Alliance actualy has the one of the cleanest records in the game when it comes to exploits, certainly far cleaner then EUIN after this latest stunt.
SKUNK
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Arges
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.01 06:42:00 -
[370]
And this kind of thread is why I quit reading the forums almost 2 year ago. I'll admit right now that this post won't bring anything constructive to the matter as I feel that it has been pretty well covered, one rare meaningfull post at a time, throughout all the manure that fills the 12 pages that this thing has grown into. Hell, when Hooch AND mister IVY guy (sorry but I can't be arsed to remember your name... Kull, Kel... whoever the genius behind this was) both agreed on the fact that the only thing left to do is wait for a GM statement on the matter, I thought it pretty much closed the matter until said statement is released. I guess I forgot about the whole forum warrior thing.
So before I drop the forums for a few more years and resume my usual gaming, I'll jump on the bandwagon and spew mindless arguments, facts and smack so I can feel like I've contributed to the advancement of this game.
Eve-Uni are lame. Boooooo, hiss hiss. Privs rock... but privs are jerks and they cry and lol at them for the hypocrisy (which is a pretty dumb argument but I guess we can serve it up to IVY when they end up mentioning a possible exploit). So... what's left to say... oh yeah, Privs should pay up or gtfo because e-uni are so smart for thinking this up (although, didn't Hooch say we do have the money to keep going and that we will? Yeah... telling us to pay up is one strong argument on this case... and is totaly relevant). Aaaaaand that covers it. I've made my contribution and can now do some serious thinking as to why I thought I missed the forums.
And look, I have a new sig! \o/
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Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Haruspex Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.01 08:57:00 -
[371]
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan I have to say, even if it had cost 10.5 billion ISK, it would be worth it to see the 'Priva-tears' (thank you, Tormenta) whining this has generated.
Ok, so, some clarifications, straight from the source:
- I am the one behind this, and it was done without the knowledge of anyone in Ivy League.
- Wars can be declared for "any reason". Admittedly it may not be the original intent, but this is a sandbox, after all.
- The accounts these 'alts' are on are not mine, but friends of mine who are new to Eve.
- Although these are not my accounts or characters, I did however provide some directions, and supplied the necessary ISK.
- Making a war mutual removes its cost, but also removes it from the cost calculations.
- There is nothing unusual with the wars themselves. They follow the normal mechanics in every way.
- The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design.
Now, claims involving horrendously bad calculations aside (and, I must say, its good to see that Mr Hooch has managed to find that calculator and edit his posts), I am not aware of anything that suggests this is an exploit of existing mechanics.
This does not make IVY immune to wars, however it should dissuade the Privateers from their apparent 'holy crusade' to destroy Eve University. I think it is safe to say that the killboard speaks for itself on their performance so far, as it is suggesting that the great and powerful Privateers are unable to kill a bunch of noobs and their teachers. Simply put, our pilots learn from their mistakes, and come back stronger next time.
As far as neutrality goes, now correct me if I am wrong here, neutrality is typically between multiple separate entities, but there seems to be only two involved here: The Privateers, and Ivy League. I don't see how any claims of breaching neutrality applies here.
Finally, regarding mercenaries, I'm not aware of IVY paying for any. I may be mistaken, but after looking through the corp wallet, I am under the impression that any mercenaries involved are working for free.
-- Kelduum Revaan Director Eve University <IVY>
Beyond any doubt, thhe post quoted above takes the cake as the biggest pile of LOSE ever published on CAOD.
EVE-UNI. you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
If your claimes are true and Privateers are not doing you any damage, then I would love to know why you needed to go to these lengths to try to avoid the wardec.
Losers losers losers.
Losers.
Bit late there mate - managed to read the whole thread yet or did you get halfway through and decide to just hit that quote button?
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THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.06.01 09:01:00 -
[372]
eve university is the cancer thats killing eve
Join THE INTERNET. today |
Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2008.06.01 12:49:00 -
[373]
I hear the war will end in a few hours? Any comments?
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nomadeyes
Squirley Wrath
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Posted - 2008.06.01 16:43:00 -
[374]
Originally by: Dariah Stardweller I hear the war will end in a few hours? Any comments?
How goes the trolling?
I thought we were talking about pie now? didn't you get the memo?? It is far better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.06.02 05:04:00 -
[375]
Almost going off the first page!
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Tzujeih
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.02 05:52:00 -
[376]
What a bunch of crybabies.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.03 23:12:00 -
[377]
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned
Please wait for the official announcement by the GMs, the process has already started to review the matter, posting multiple threads about the subject and highlighting alleged inconsistencies between CCP employees and ISD volunteers detracts from the message you're attempting to make.
Bump as a reminder that New Eden is still awaiting the official announcement.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Skjorta
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Posted - 2008.06.20 00:13:00 -
[378]
Has this been declared an exploit yet?
Other groups are starting to use this "method" and are becoming essentially immune to war.
I'm not in war....or plan on dec'ing anybody anytime soon, but this type of meta-gaming ruins the feel of the game.
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Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2008.06.20 00:28:00 -
[379]
http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/Necrotelicomnicon
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.21 06:21:00 -
[380]
rofl... GJ Ivy League
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
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Mattduk
Universal Army
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Posted - 2008.06.21 09:15:00 -
[381]
Edited by: Mattduk on 21/06/2008 09:16:23
Originally by: Ki An Edited by: Ki An on 25/05/2008 07:20:39
Originally by: Gnulpie
That is getting funnier and funnier. Now BoB is also complaining about using game mechanics to their full extend? Pos bowling for example, anyone? 'It is possible and unless it is not declared an exploit we will use it'.
So, either CCP says using wardecs this way is an exploit and then no one can use it. Or CCP says nothing (but changes it in the next patch) and then everyone should shut up.
The ONLY way to improve the game is to use these mechanics so that the devs can think over it if they wanted it this way or not and then act.
Again I say: bravo!
Shut up, Gnulpie.
This should be an exploit no matter who does it to whom. Stupidity like yours is ruining the game.
It is also a pretty desperate tactic from someone claiming to be 'winning' the war.
And stupidity like yours is ruining this forum. If the GMs consider it an exploit, they will say so. If they don't then they won't. All the tears in the world on CAOD won't change a thing except make you look a fool.
As far as Ivy's neutrality are concerned, wtf are you lot bleating on about? They are supposed to be a PVP University, yet are being hounded by an Empire alliance, and have been for some time. I don't understand how defending themselves however they can compromises neutrality in any way, shape or form.
Oh, and thanks to the guy who actually took the time to explain what IVY have actually done. Bravo. The OP was dreadful and the follow up posts explained nothing yet quoted sums of cash. I guess you can stop cooing about that 10.5 billion now and look daft with your 1 bill war dec fee as was intended (I guess).
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Mattduk
Universal Army
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Posted - 2008.06.21 11:13:00 -
[382]
Originally by: Mattduk Not constructive - Navigator
LOL - Like half the posts in this thread are?
Jump Bridges? **** idea. |
Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2008.06.21 15:11:00 -
[383]
can't believe its taken me this long to read this thread. absolutely hilarious. after all the time privateers have been screwing with the war dec system, seeing them cry about this is absolutely priceless.
this one should be perma-stickied. or at least used as a case study in psychology classes.
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Robert Rosenberg
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.21 16:27:00 -
[384]
Originally by: Empyre can't believe its taken me this long to read this thread. absolutely hilarious. after all the time privateers have been screwing with the war dec system, seeing them cry about this is absolutely priceless.
this one should be perma-stickied. or at least used as a case study in psychology classes.
Well to be fair all the actual privateers quit when the old way got nerfed, the people *****ing in this thread are the sad mockery of former greatness who remain.
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Wyverns of Dionysus Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.21 16:42:00 -
[385]
I skipped right to page thirteen, you guys are going to make me read all this? bah.
Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
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The Hooch
Wolf Tactical Solutions
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:17:00 -
[386]
Well it has been five weeks now since they implemented their war proofing plan.
CCP seems to be content to simply ignore it.
So, I would suggest that all alliances that want to forever war proof themselves in empire contact the Ivy League leadership and get the details. For a cost of around 300 million isk you can make a war dec cost 1 Billion for anyone wanting to dec you.
Well done Ivy you did want we could not, you have gotten away with it.
This is a game breaking hole in the war dec rules and nothing is being done about it.
Hooch
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
SchirmerN
x13
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:38:00 -
[387]
rabble rabble rabble...Someone lock this useless tread. |
Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:43:00 -
[388]
man I guess Eve Uni better pay BC hastings 4 billion isk or die
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Rellik Remag
Solidarity
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Posted - 2008.06.23 13:58:00 -
[389]
Originally by: The Hooch Well it has been five weeks now since they implemented their war proofing plan.
CCP seems to be content to simply ignore it.
So, I would suggest that all alliances that want to forever war proof themselves in empire contact the Ivy League leadership and get the details. For a cost of around 300 million isk you can make a war dec cost 1 Billion for anyone wanting to dec you.
Well done Ivy you did want we could not, you have gotten away with it.
This is a game breaking hole in the war dec rules and nothing is being done about it.
Hooch
Wow.. cry some more. |
The Hooch
Wolf Tactical Solutions
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Posted - 2008.06.23 14:16:00 -
[390]
Originally by: Rellik Remag
Originally by: The Hooch Well it has been five weeks now since they implemented their war proofing plan.
CCP seems to be content to simply ignore it.
So, I would suggest that all alliances that want to forever war proof themselves in empire contact the Ivy League leadership and get the details. For a cost of around 300 million isk you can make a war dec cost 1 Billion for anyone wanting to dec you.
Well done Ivy you did want we could not, you have gotten away with it.
This is a game breaking hole in the war dec rules and nothing is being done about it.
Hooch
Wow.. cry some more.
Dear twit, as you can see I am no longer in Privateers these days. However, this is a real issue for long term play for many players. Please look beyond the end of your troll fingers and perhaps you might begin to see that.
This is a game issue for me, it's not personal any longer.
Hooch
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 16:29:00 -
[391]
Originally by: The Hooch I am no longer in Privateers these days.
So...you left PrivateRears because you wouldn't pay to counter what you consider an exploit? And said 'exploit' was ruining your game experience?
Sounds like a nice turn of the wheel to me. I imagine that's what all those little Empire corps felt like when you used a true Exploit to war dec half of Empire.
Thanks for making my day by telling me you've left PrivateRears. One more nail in their coffin.
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Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 16:34:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Empyre can't believe its taken me this long to read this thread. absolutely hilarious. after all the time privateers have been screwing with the war dec system, seeing them cry about this is absolutely priceless.
this one should be perma-stickied. or at least used as a case study in psychology classes.
Today is a beautiful day, so I will try to reply in a civil manner.
Privateers took advantage of the war dec system once before and CCP addressed the issue. That was over an year ago. Now IVY is exploiting that same war system and all of a sudden itÆs all good. IVY is allowed to cheat , is that right ?
And for a 100 time û this is not only about IVY. Everyone can use this method to get rid of wars in empire space. It appears that certain parties are using it already. ------
Let the gun do the talking... |
Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 16:41:00 -
[393]
Originally by: Princess Jodi
So...you left PrivateRears because you wouldn't pay to counter what you consider an exploit? And said 'exploit' was ruining your game experience?
Sounds like a nice turn of the wheel to me. I imagine that's what all those little Empire corps felt like when you used a true Exploit to war dec half of Empire.
Thanks for making my day by telling me you've left PrivateRears. One more nail in their coffin.
I might be wrong, but somehow I donÆt think you are in a position to talk about coffins. Rumour has it, somebody has already finished making RAZOR coffins and is now choosing a tombstone. We however, are here to stay ------
Let the gun do the talking... |
The Hooch
Wolf Tactical Solutions
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Posted - 2008.06.23 17:43:00 -
[394]
Originally by: Princess Jodi
Originally by: The Hooch I am no longer in Privateers these days.
So...you left PrivateRears because you wouldn't pay to counter what you consider an exploit? And said 'exploit' was ruining your game experience?
Sounds like a nice turn of the wheel to me. I imagine that's what all those little Empire corps felt like when you used a true Exploit to war dec half of Empire.
Thanks for making my day by telling me you've left PrivateRears. One more nail in their coffin.
Personally speaking you can go do something Anatomically impossible to yourself for all I really care.
I decided I needed a change after 2 years of making sure carebear alliances like yours did not have a free ride in empire. If you must know I decided to give FW a whirl and so far its been a load of fun. It is more like the Eve I enjoyed 4 years ago and I don't have to hunt morons, they come to me. (I am lazy that way)
That being said, what Ivy is doing is plain and simply, short circuting the system, NOT un-like what the Privateers did back in the day, and it was a bad move, so it got hammered, like this should be.
Finally, I do hope that RA and Goons bury you and your alliance, soon.
Enjoy!
Hooch
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:39:00 -
[395]
so you coughed up the billion isk to wardec them?
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Jones Bones
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.06.24 02:49:00 -
[396]
Financial warfare. Very Machiavellian of them.
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Breetai Tull
Little Blue Bugs
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Posted - 2008.06.24 04:37:00 -
[397]
Originally by: The Hooch Well it has been five weeks now since they implemented their war proofing plan.
CCP seems to be content to simply ignore it.
So, I would suggest that all alliances that want to forever war proof themselves in empire contact the Ivy League leadership and get the details. For a cost of around 300 million isk you can make a war dec cost 1 Billion for anyone wanting to dec you.
Well done Ivy you did want we could not, you have gotten away with it.
This is a game breaking hole in the war dec rules and nothing is being done about it.
Hooch
Seriously, would you like some cheese with your whine?
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.06.24 06:29:00 -
[398]
Originally by: Privateers Hey people, we're all level 70 now, so we're going to Goldshire/Crossroads to gank newbies! Congratulate us on our holy crusade to rid newbies from the game!
EVE History Wiki
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OVERCOPES 1
Amarr Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.06.24 08:24:00 -
[399]
Originally by: Breetai Tull
Originally by: The Hooch Well it has been five weeks now since they implemented their war proofing plan.
CCP seems to be content to simply ignore it.
So, I would suggest that all alliances that want to forever war proof themselves in empire contact the Ivy League leadership and get the details. For a cost of around 300 million isk you can make a war dec cost 1 Billion for anyone wanting to dec you.
Well done Ivy you did want we could not, you have gotten away with it.
This is a game breaking hole in the war dec rules and nothing is being done about it.
Hooch
Seriously, would you like some cheese with your whine?
An expected comment from an empire hugger,your probably feeling right dandy with this exploit,knowing full well that at will you can make yourself immune to empire wars....if you were important enough to war dec in the first place.
Technolisa>those yellow things work better than platinum insurance :P |
Mattduk
Universal Army
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Posted - 2008.06.24 11:43:00 -
[400]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Bladen Kerst I never stumbled upon eve-uni or privateers while playing this game, so all I know about them is from this thread which is not much. But one thing I was able to learn is that eve-uni leadership understans game mechanics better than privateers who are supposed to excell in high-sec wars... Moreover Privateers' leadership instead of trying to understand what actually happened came to CAOD and asked for public ridicule.
Well youve been sadly misinformed. The privateers (be it the corp) or the alliance are totally clueless when it comes to wardec exploits. Its not what they do.
You see they have never partook in anything that was even remotly classed as an exploit. CCP never looked into anything they did. They didnt ever have to "go and consider the legailty" of anything (unlike the EUIN stunt).
So i can confirm - when it comes to exploiting game mechanics - EUNI reign supreme.
SKUNK
They have never partook?!?!?!?!???! partook?!?!?!?!????!!!!eleventeen!!!111
I'm shocked.
Jump Bridges? **** idea. |
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Cordelia Simonova
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:04:00 -
[401]
Edited by: Cordelia Simonova on 24/06/2008 12:06:00 13 pages in and the only thing I have to say is this.
Another meat popsicle with a grudge.
Originally by: X3k5 Oh and I havent lost a single ship to you, so I have no personal vendetta against you. I just happen to favour the uni a little
Your 'neutrality' on the topic is exposed for the sham it is, Sir!
EDIT : I can't count
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The Hooch
Wolf Tactical Solutions
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:34:00 -
[402]
How very odd, with the re-appearence of this thread the decs have been dropped.
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.06.24 19:27:00 -
[403]
Originally by: The Hooch Well it has been five weeks now since they implemented their war proofing plan.
CCP seems to be content to simply ignore it.
So, I would suggest that all alliances that want to forever war proof themselves in empire contact the Ivy League leadership and get the details. For a cost of around 300 million isk you can make a war dec cost 1 Billion for anyone wanting to dec you.
Well done Ivy you did want we could not, you have gotten away with it.
This is a game breaking hole in the war dec rules and nothing is being done about it.
Hooch
40 mil, my good man, not 300.
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Breetai Tull
Little Blue Bugs
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Posted - 2008.06.25 09:03:00 -
[404]
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Originally by: The Hooch Well it has been five weeks now since they implemented their war proofing plan.
CCP seems to be content to simply ignore it.
So, I would suggest that all alliances that want to forever war proof themselves in empire contact the Ivy League leadership and get the details. For a cost of around 300 million isk you can make a war dec cost 1 Billion for anyone wanting to dec you.
Well done Ivy you did want we could not, you have gotten away with it.
This is a game breaking hole in the war dec rules and nothing is being done about it.
Hooch
40 mil, my good man, not 300.
Only 40 mil? That makes it even better.
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TroNaaR
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.25 14:02:00 -
[405]
I lol
Well played... Well played...
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Katashi Ishizuka
Tritanium Workers Union
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Posted - 2008.06.27 04:37:00 -
[406]
Edited by: Katashi I****uka on 27/06/2008 04:45:16 This thread is lulzy.
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente Romantic Devastator
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Posted - 2008.06.27 14:15:00 -
[407]
Originally by: kublai I knew ivy league were using an alt corp or two to drive the price up but.....my my
that's why i still call you nublai!
on the other hand... hey, it's a good idea! --------------------------------------
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Yukinagoto
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Posted - 2008.06.27 16:23:00 -
[408]
Originally by: Katashi I****uka Edited by: Katashi I****uka on 27/06/2008 04:45:16 This thread is lulzy.
agreed.
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Summer River
Rotaries Are For W4nkers
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Posted - 2008.06.28 08:23:00 -
[409]
This thread needs to be renamed "And the bleat goes on"
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