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Is forporn
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Inertial Why is High-sec wars the "little kiddie" playground? Where are the big kiddies playground?
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: X3k5
This is it. The worst post on all of CAOD for 2008. See how it tries very hard to be witty and tough and intimidating, talking of rabbits who band together and cut out wolf bellies. See how it claims that this is part of an analogy.
Also see how it falls flat on its face into a fetid puddle of failure. There is no analogy here. There is only a carebear, pounding his chest vicariously through someone else's abuse of a game mechanic.
First thing, he started the analogy and I just replied, so stop kissing privateer ass. As for how it applies -- Perhaps a lesson in english for you. Analogy = "similarity or comparability". Now lets compare, shall we?
Its clear from Mr Frost's post that the rabbit is "Eve University" and the wolf is "Privateers". Fair enough. "The rabbit gets his friends together" - Kelduum said his friends created the alt corps. "cuts out the wolf's belly" - the ISK they'll have to pay. "Now if the wolf wants to chase after the rabbit, he's free to and in doing so bleed/starve to death" - They will most definitely be bleeding ISK and starving when they start running low on ISK after paying 1B a week, wont you agree? "wolf can cut his losses and accept defeat." - That just means that Privateers can walk away.
Perhaps this lesson has improved your understanding of a language I like to call English.
Wrong. Here is the definition of "analogy":
Originally by: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogy 1.a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.
An analogy requires 'like features' as a prerequisite for comparison. Rabbits do not band together and cut out the bellies of anything, let alone wolves. There is no 'like feature' between the relationship of rabbits and wolves and the relationship of PRVTR and IVY. None at all. Your analogy isn't an analogy at all.
Originally by: Havohej Also see how it falls flat on its face into a fetid puddle of failure. There is no analogy here. There is only a carebear, pounding his chest vicariously through someone else's abuse of a game mechanic.
Turns out I was right the first time. You remind me of that mexican Cowboy in the beginning of the movie Tombstone. The one who fails to correctly translate the words spoken by the Mexican priest when Curly Bill asks what the man said. Johnny Ringo then tells him "Your Spanish is worse than your English." If English is your first language, you're terrible at it. If it's not your first language, study more - you're almost there.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: The Hooch on 26/05/2008 13:33:24 I would like to see some CCP reflections on this issue at some point in this thread.
Love us or hate us, this has long term concerns for mercs and pirate alike. Setting aside Privateers all suck and Ivy are as pure as new fallen snow sideshows.
I think its' time for real thoughts from the devs.
Hooch
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 26/05/2008 13:33:24 I would like to see some CCP reflections on this issue at some point in this thread.
Love us or hate us, this has long term concerns for mercs and pirate alike. Setting aside Privateers all suck and Ivy are as pure as new fallen snow sideshows.
I think its' time for real thoughts from the devs.
Hooch
You think devs will get into a barfight ?
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Raffael Ramirez
Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 26/05/2008 13:33:24 I would like to see some CCP reflections on this issue at some point in this thread.
Love us or hate us, this has long term concerns for mercs and pirate alike. Setting aside Privateers all suck and Ivy are as pure as new fallen snow sideshows.
I think its' time for real thoughts from the devs.
Hooch
You think devs will get into a barfight ?
Well, we can hope
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: The Hooch
Originally by: Raffael Ramirez
Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 26/05/2008 13:33:24 I would like to see some CCP reflections on this issue at some point in this thread.
Love us or hate us, this has long term concerns for mercs and pirate alike. Setting aside Privateers all suck and Ivy are as pure as new fallen snow sideshows.
I think its' time for real thoughts from the devs.
Hooch
You think devs will get into a barfight ?
Well, we can hope
TomBs nerf bat would hurt..
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Draximus Cane
Infected.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:16:00 -
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To be honest Hooch as a very valid point.
When Privs were in their heyday all the empire dwellers bemoaned Hooch's tactics of increasing his war target options as they did not feel it fell in with the spirit of the game.
Now those very same people use tactics to do the opposite.
Hypocrisy springs to mind!
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TeufelsBeitrag
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mo adib
Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag It doesnt matter if you like Privateers or not, what Ivy does is an abuse of game mechanics and lame. The wardec system was sure as hell not supposed to give rich alliances an advantage against empire wars.
do you realize the irony in complaining about a noob corp using an unintended but not exploit use of game mechanics to hite privateers.
cause if not you need to work on your history lesson and realize that privateers were created for an unintended use of game mechanics to gank noobs and carebears all day long.
tbo I dont believe in karma but this is still fitting, and their tears on the forums are fricking hilarious; this coming from someone they have never killed on any chars so if you think I am one of said bitter carebears you need to think again.
The abuse of game mechanics is still there and just because they use it against Privateers doesnt make it okay. Its really funny how such things are okay for people, just because they are not affected.
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:25:00 -
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Person 1: 1+1=2!
Person 2: Don't listen to Person 1! He molests children!
Is person 1s statement invalidated by Person 2s counter statement?
we are recruiting!
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benzy
Aetas Inculta
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Draximus Cane To be honest Hooch as a very valid point.
When Privs were in their heyday all the empire dwellers bemoaned Hooch's tactics of increasing his war target options as they did not feel it fell in with the spirit of the game.
Now those very same people use tactics to do the opposite.
Hypocrisy springs to mind!
Big difference: It took forever for CCP to get around to acknowledging that it wasn't within the spirit of the game.
Back then, all the war-dec happy alliances cried that everything was balanced, and everyone should shut up and take it.
Now, all the war-dec happy folks are crying that this needs to be fixed NOW NOW NOW.
Karma wise, I hope it gets fixed, but it takes CCP just as long to fix it as it did the first go around.
In all honesty though, E-Uni has done nothing to make themselves immune to war-decs.
You can still go down and war-dec them today. Oh, can't pay the fee now? That's too friggin bad. Really, I don't feel sorry one bit for an alliance that repeatedly, for no other reason than their own fun; war-decs an alliance, then whines about that alliance figuring a way to hurt them back.
It's War. E-Uni brought their wallet into the fight. Either bring yours, or go home and have a cry about it.
benzy
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Steintz
Mercenary Forces Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: benzy "Really, I don't feel sorry one bit for an alliance that repeatedly, for no other reason than their own fun; war-decs an alliance.."
I let this stand alone .... Thought this was eve-war were all about .. fun.. Could be mistaken though. But what is it for then?
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benzy
Aetas Inculta
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Steintz
Originally by: benzy "Really, I don't feel sorry one bit for an alliance that repeatedly, for no other reason than their own fun; war-decs an alliance.."
I let this stand alone .... Thought this was eve-war were all about .. fun.. Could be mistaken though. But what is it for then?
Let's see, you wardec an alliance that doesn't find it fun, but you do.
Alliance then figures out a way to hurt you back. It is fun for them, but not for you.
Situation is perfectly balanced.
The war-dec fee is there to make sure that wars are not declared for no reason. When your reason is "fun" and the other side raises the stakes (in this case by raising the cost), then the ball is in your court with regards to continuing to have your version of fun against them.
Either chuck up the cash, or take your ball and go home.
TL/DR version: STOP WHINING
benzy
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:32:00 -
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Quote: It's War. E-Uni brought their wallet into the fight. Either bring yours, or go home and have a cry about it.
No need to cry about it, I could re-new this war out of my own funds in a New York minute many times over, as well as our own war chest in the alliance. Also, you would be suprised at how many offers we are getting to simply call the bluff from outside alliances and indivduals.
Being very honest, even I thought our wars back in the day was over the top. Many us expressed concerns that a the nerf bat was coming down hard. The patch did wittle us down a great deal, but it did not kill us off as many hoped that it would.
Now, with this counter to us in the area of isk, I see it as nothing any different than what we were "adjusted" for. I will grant Ivy credit for being creative enough to come up with it, but that being said it is still no less an end run around us and the extended implications are possible game breaking in this area on many levels.
I am confident that CCP will address this issue but for the time being it does make for great forum fun, don't you think?
Hooch, are my Priva-Tears sweet?
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 15:44:00 -
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Quote: The war-dec fee is there to make sure that wars are not declared for no reason
Oh for goodness sake, its a game for crying out loud! I don't have to have a reason or a goal, or victory conditions. I blow up other players ships and sell the loot for income, and they do it to me. I never complain about getting podded, it comes with the game play.
The first day I downloaded Eve I read "Death comes to us all" and so far that is the truest aspect of this game. Even when I was mining at first I got killed by lowsec pirates, after that I moved to Fountain Alliance, got podded there by BoB for 2 years and podded them too. Now I just do the same thing in empire, nothing is really all that different, only the security status of the system and now I have to give the target a warning that we are coming for them with a war dec. In lowsec and .0 you don't even get that.
You don't have to have any reason for anything in this game, ain't it great?
Hooch
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Vance Rezak
Band of the Damned Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Vance Rezak on 26/05/2008 16:02:05
Originally by: Brandwood
Originally by: Vance Rezak Edited by: Vance Rezak on 26/05/2008 04:29:08 Well as much as I hate to say it there is another solution based on currently allowable game mechanics. The dec can be dropped and Ivy allowed to think they can bring thier carebear activities back online which costs nothing. Then take advantage of our other character slots to make suicide alts and kill thier now un suspecting and undocked freighters and miners. This seems a bit shady to me as the victim doesn't see it comming but under the current circumstance I guess that would be thier fault eh... and think should prove profitable as well, I kind of like this idea more and more.... got a way to stop that Ivy?
A bit shady? The whole making suicide alts thing is an exploit in itself but GG for suggesting that's what yer gonna do on a public forum :)
I may be mistaken but my understanding of suicide ganking is this... as long as you do not recycle the characters after or grief the same player over and over for no other reason than to do so and understand that concord will kill you then under current mechanics it's acceptable. I may not be 100% on the exact terms but we all see suiciding happen every day so there is an established view on it currently that if you follow the guidlines it is not an exploit.... That bieng said I have plenty of accounts and character slots so no recycling needed and I only want a few of your freighters so constant harrasment isn't an issue either so... you have any other complaints about valid tactics as you call them? Oh and since catchy phrases like Privatears are the flavor of the day I'm liking the sound of Uni Bombers
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: X3k5 on 26/05/2008 16:34:57
Originally by: Havohej
Wrong. Here is the definition of "analogy":
Originally by: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogy 1.a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.
An analogy requires 'like features' as a prerequisite for comparison. Rabbits do not band together and cut out the bellies of anything, let alone wolves. There is no 'like feature' between the relationship of rabbits and wolves and the relationship of PRVTR and IVY. None at all. Your analogy isn't an analogy at all.
Originally by: Havohej Also see how it falls flat on its face into a fetid puddle of failure. There is no analogy here. There is only a carebear, pounding his chest vicariously through someone else's abuse of a game mechanic.
Turns out I was right the first time. You remind me of that mexican Cowboy in the beginning of the movie Tombstone. The one who fails to correctly translate the words spoken by the Mexican priest when Curly Bill asks what the man said. Johnny Ringo then tells him "Your Spanish is worse than your English." If English is your first language, you're terrible at it. If it's not your first language, study more - you're almost there.
EDIT: Fixed broken quote.
If you would bother to read your own source then perhaps you would realize your mistake.
Analogy has different meanings. Perhaps you dont know that a lot of words in english have multiple meanings. Now go back to the site you quoted from and look at Meaning 2. Read what it says. 2.similarity or comparability
Exactly what I said the first time and you said wrong, so who's wrong now? Do I have to exlain the meaning of comparability as well?
And you seem like a privateer kiss-ass who is trying to use invalid arguments to negate other people's comments. Now go learn to read before posting. :)
As for my English, my RL credentials allow me to say that Im pretty good and I believe this is an analogy If you dont believe me, go ask your English teacher if this is an analogy or not.
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Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:37:00 -
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Oh no , no ! You don't get to teach lessons in English or analogy - not with a char name like yours. ------
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:39:00 -
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And typical Privateers. No constructive argument to make so lets bring in something totally unrelated.
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:41:00 -
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Take the english peens elsewhere, this is my soapbox.
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: X3k5 And typical Privateers. No constructive argument to make so lets bring in something totally unrelated.
So stop post in the thread you will sleep better?
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:44:00 -
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I sleep better knowing that Privateers got beaten at their own game(war-decs)
And I didnt start the english pvp. I just added to Mr. Frost's analogy.
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: X3k5 I sleep better knowing that Privateers got beaten at their own game(war-decs)
And I didnt start the english pvp. I just added to Mr. Frost's analogy.
We ain't beaten just yet, for every move there is a counter move, they have not seen it yet. It may very well keep the thread alive for a few more days.
We have a few "rules lawers" as well.
Cheers
Hooch
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: X3k5 I sleep better knowing that Privateers got beaten at their own game(war-decs)
And I didnt start the english pvp. I just added to Mr. Frost's analogy.
Unrelated ?! The relation is very simple ū you can not expect a man who comes up with an original name like X3k5 to show a great understanding of English language, let alone analogy. So I donĘt understand why the other poster bothers to argue with you. And whatĘs your deal anyway ? So we deced your alliance a few times, you probably lost some ships ū get over it. Oh waitą wait , I am sorry ū thatĘs probably too much to ask. Keep gloating while you still can. ------
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Profhet
Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:55:00 -
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I must be missing something cause I haven't done any griefing in my brief time with the Privateers.
If anything it involves alot of scouting, and sitting in station deciding if I should undock and face possibly a 1versus 3-8. Every time I do show info on Ivy targets, it isnt nubs in kestrels, its respectably made up gangs. I have have shot exactly 1 hauler which was empty :(.
You all (with your alts) are talking out of your asses about something you have no idea about.
All the people crying about Privatears picking on Ivy, NOTHING, REPEAT NOTHING is stopping you all from joining Ivy and helping them out,hell use some of these alts for something other than clueless trash talking.OR grow some e-***** and war dec us like Dead Parrot Shoppe.
BUT I will say it has been the most fun I have had in Eve, it is what Eve should be for everybody imho, lots of shooting with no lag.
I respect the people that live in 0.0, I can't stand to do it anymore, it takes too much patience and the targets can go from scarce to overwhelming.
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MAXSuicide
The Ludovico Technique
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: X3k5 And typical Privateers. No constructive argument to make so lets bring in something totally unrelated.
Have u actually read what this thread is about?
..i think ur one of those bandwagon whiner anti-privateer folk tbh. Go away.
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X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: X3k5 on 26/05/2008 17:05:16
I know Mr Hooch, Im waiting to see what happens further. But right now they beat you :) Now its your turn to fight back. If you read my previous posts, I myself believe that the tactic should be declared an exploit.
As for the name Mr Frost, I have a very good reason for it and I do not need to explain my fictional name in a Fantasy game to you and it has nothing to do with my english language ability. Infact unless you have a degree in English, my English is credentially better than yours.
EDIT: Oh and I havent lost a single ship to you, so I have no personal vendetta against you. I just happen to favour the uni a little(though I dont approve of this tactic).
MAXSuicide, your post happens to be exactly on topic
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 17:15:00 -
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It's an exploit. Petition it and let CCP sort it out.
You'll be able to shoot them again in a bit I suspect.
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Claudius Tiberius
Sylph Investments and Banking Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Claudius Tiberius on 26/05/2008 17:21:43 Seems Eve University is simply using Concord bureaucracy against their targets. It's not cheating, it's metagaming, which is something we all do.
Wardecking half of Eve was something that some people saw as exploiting the wardec system, stop *****ing if other people pull a similair number on you.
Ps. Look at it like a financial victory, now you don't have to blow up ships to do billions of damages.
Ps. ffs sylph, kick my alt from your alliance, im not in there anymore...
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Carrier Eleven
EVE Posting Service
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Posted - 2008.05.26 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: The Hooch whine whine cry whine
Heh, turnabout is fair play as they say. I agree CCP needs to fix this. I just hope they drag their feet on it like they did with the war dec fix. We can all float away on a river of Privateer tears.
/me gets a boat
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Raffael Ramirez
Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.26 18:11:00 -
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What is it with all those alt throwing mud here ?
Go hug some roids or post with your mains!
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