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MADDOGzors THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:13:00 - [1] I see that so much time and effort has been put into faction cruisers, but why not for T2 battleships. Also, I'd hope the T2 version of tier3 bs's would be for pvp unlike the marauders which was quite disappointing since ECM hinders them so badly. Is this even in the works yet?
Ambien Torca	Posted - 2008.05.25 15:30:00 - [2] Edited by: Ambien Torca on 25/05/2008 15:30:47 My understand was that real WTFBBQ pwnmobiles with increased resists and such are not going to be introduced in EVE ever. Battleships already beat everything smaller than them anyway.
ian666 Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN	Posted - 2008.05.25 16:57:00 - [3] signed more ships t2
MADDOGzors THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.05.25 19:00:00 - [4] I know there's a lot of pilots out there that have been waiting for their T2 pvp battleship. I'm not going to get into specs on them that's pointless. I'm just wondering if CCP is even working on this or at least considering it for the near future. I'll use the caldari for this example: Raven -> Navy Raven Scorpion -> Widow Rokh -> ?Nothing As of right now if you're a caldari pilot and you want a turret battleship besides the Rokh capable of solo pvp, you have to crosstrain Amarr and fly a Nightmare. The Navy Raven is a carebear ship, not used anywhere near as much as the Navy Mega for pvp. There's too much wrong with Black Ops right now which isn't a solo ship in the first place. I think CCP needs to give a little love to the small gang/solo pvpers by adding T2 versions of tier 3 bs's. A T2 battleship that's actually meant for pvp and doesn't get perma-jammed by light ECM drones. There's thousands of pilots that would love for this to happen.

CCP Atropos C C P	Posted - 2008.05.25 19:53:00 - [5] Originally by: MADDOGzors I think CCP needs to give a little love to the small gang/solo pvpers by adding T2 versions of tier 3 bs's. A T2 battleship that's actually meant for pvp and doesn't get perma-jammed by light ECM drones. There's thousands of pilots that would love for this to happen. Yes, and just as many that would emoragequit because we've created the solopwnmobile that has been missing all this time... I can't speak for the Game Design group and Tier 3 Tech II battleships, but the reason that Marauders have such low sensor strength was to limit their capabilities for PVP, not make them nonexistent. You can fit ECCM or a copilot can use an ECCM caster (on you) to increase your sensor strength. I can however state that the solopwnmobile you want, won't be made.

Vim Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.25 19:56:00 - [6] Would be nothing wrong with a navy rokh/abaddon/hyperion/maelstrom as pure 'I got riches', already existing navy versions isnt to much of a oomph difference compared to their t1 hull and definetly not worth it iskwise, unless you like to wave epeen and hearing oyur name followed by 'is primary' or prefaced with 'primary' alot =)
MADDOGzors THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.05.25 20:06:00 - [7] Originally by: CCP Atropos I can't speak for the Game Design group and Tier 3 Tech II battleships, but the reason that Marauders have such low sensor strength was to limit their capabilities for PVP, not make them nonexistent. You can fit ECCM or a copilot can use an ECCM caster (on you) to increase your sensor strength. I can however state that the solopwnmobile you want, won't be made. I really don't buy into the solopwnmobile statement. That's already possible with a T1 battleship, you just faction or deadspace fit it. I never said create something overpowered, only T2. There's no reason the tier 3 battleships should be ignored for having a T2 counterpart.
Kil'Roy The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.05.25 20:37:00 - [8] I'm sure a Tier III T2 BS will come out in the future, just not as you would like it.
Constantinee Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.05.25 20:42:00 - [9] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: MADDOGzors I think CCP needs to give a little love to the small gang/solo pvpers by adding T2 versions of tier 3 bs's. A T2 battleship that's actually meant for pvp and doesn't get perma-jammed by light ECM drones. There's thousands of pilots that would love for this to happen. Yes, and just as many that would emoragequit because we've created the solopwnmobile that has been missing all this time... isent that the titan? --------------------
MADDOGzors THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.05.25 21:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Kil'Roy I'm sure a Tier III T2 BS will come out in the future, just not as you would like it. I never actually specified how I would want it to be. I am simply asking for one period.
CrestoftheStars Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2008.05.26 00:42:00 - [11] i would like to see that heavy attack bs :P ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded
Kil'Roy The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.05.26 01:12:00 - [12] Originally by: MADDOGzors Originally by: Kil'Roy I'm sure a Tier III T2 BS will come out in the future, just not as you would like it. I never actually specified how I would want it to be. I am simply asking for one period. Oh, I'm sorry. I guess I was reading too much into this. My bad. Originally by: MADDOGzors I see that so much time and effort has been put into faction cruisers, but why not for T2 battleships. Also, I'd hope the T2 version of tier3 bs's would be for pvp unlike the marauders which was quite disappointing since ECM hinders them so badly. Is this even in the works yet?
MADDOGzors THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.05.26 02:35:00 - [13] Ya it's a battleship for pvp, I thought that was common sense. Guess I was wrong. What did you think I meant, a battleship for mowing the yard, or one that makes you coffee in the morning?
ghosttr Explora Empire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.26 04:26:00 - [14] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: MADDOGzors I think CCP needs to give a little love to the small gang/solo pvpers by adding T2 versions of tier 3 bs's. A T2 battleship that's actually meant for pvp and doesn't get perma-jammed by light ECM drones. There's thousands of pilots that would love for this to happen. Yes, and just as many that would emoragequit because we've created the solopwnmobile that has been missing all this time... I can't speak for the Game Design group and Tier 3 Tech II battleships, but the reason that Marauders have such low sensor strength was to limit their capabilities for PVP, not make them nonexistent. You can fit ECCM or a copilot can use an ECCM caster (on you) to increase your sensor strength. I can however state that the solopwnmobile you want, won't be made. I dont know about a t2 tier3 bs, but i would like to see additional t1 bs. I know that caldari should have a cheaper railbost, and that it would be nice if amarr, and gallente had some kind of ewar based ships My Blog
Kil'Roy The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.05.26 04:47:00 - [15] Originally by: MADDOGzors Ya it's a battleship for pvp, I thought that was common sense. Guess I was wrong. What did you think I meant, a battleship for mowing the yard, or one that makes you coffee in the morning? Well, that is what I thought you meant. In order to make any T2 BS that is good at pvp, they would have to make it better than the T1 version in most things, similar to how they made the HACs and Command Ships better than their T1 versions. Otherwise, you would end up with another Maurader type ship. They have already said they weren't going to do this and CCP Atropos seemed to reflect this. That's why I still stand by what I said. They will most likely come out with a Tier III T2 BS, but I really doubt it will be the PVP T2 BS you seem to be looking for. They have said it many times, they are not planning on releasing a HAC style T2 BS, which is what it would need to be in order to be considered designed for PVP.
AstroPhobic	Posted - 2008.05.26 04:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Kil'Roy Originally by: MADDOGzors Ya it's a battleship for pvp, I thought that was common sense. Guess I was wrong. What did you think I meant, a battleship for mowing the yard, or one that makes you coffee in the morning? Well, that is what I thought you meant. In order to make any T2 BS that is good at pvp, they would have to make it better than the T1 version in most things, similar to how they made the HACs and Command Ships better than their T1 versions. Otherwise, you would end up with another Maurader type ship. They have already said they weren't going to do this and CCP Atropos seemed to reflect this. That's why I still stand by what I said. They will most likely come out with a Tier III T2 BS, but I really doubt it will be the PVP T2 BS you seem to be looking for. They have said it many times, they are not planning on releasing a HAC style T2 BS, which is what it would need to be in order to be considered designed for PVP. Wouldn't see the harm in a big, bad tanked t2 BS with limited damage output, but slight gang/ewar? capabilities. Basically a big command ship, but without the DPS increase. Give them 4 gun/launcher HPs, t2 resists and lots of meds/lows. Maybe bonuses to cap or tanking...
MADDOGzors THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.05.26 05:03:00 - [17] Well I didn't really want to get into specs on the ship, I'm sure CCP can figure out a way not to make it overpowered. I'm really against the thought of them being solopwnmobiles which was stated above. Any ship can be like that if you spend the isk on it. The T2 bs would obviously cost more. A lot of pilots like to have an expensive ship to solo in or use in small gangs. And honestly, I'm not going to fly a ship that costs around 700mil and use a tank/tackle slot for ECCM or rely on a projected ECCM. A T2 bs was made for missioning, why not for pvp. HACs and CS's are not made strictly for missioning or ratting and they're T2. I see no negative result for implementing a T2 bs in the game meant for pvp.
Pirokobo Orion Academy THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:31:00 - [18] Edited by: Pirokobo on 29/05/2008 17:32:55 T2 Tier 3 combat battleship is unnecessary. However, I do think there could be some use for a T2 Tier 3 battleship as a siege weapon. Essentially a non-capital version of the dread that has siege mode. The next general combat ship should be the T2 Juggernaught, with extra capital ship batteries and bonuses to make it effective at swatting battleships as well as other capitals.
Xaxch Kuge	Posted - 2008.05.29 20:16:00 - [19] Originally by: MADDOGzors I really don't buy into the solopwnmobile statement. That's already possible with a T1 battleship, you just faction or deadspace fit it. I never said create something overpowered, only T2. There's no reason the tier 3 battleships should be ignored for having a T2 counterpart. Dude, just look at what ur asking for and tell me its not different than a multi billion dollar battleship: Current solopwnmobiles = multi billion dollar ships that are rare as hell. Also can still be owned by a few decent fit 1/10 cost bs's what ur asking for = t2 rohk that already has 25% resists and range... what else are u gonna give it? damage mods? more resists? then with someone that puts faction/officer fits on it it can now tank fleets and still come out on-top....... How would that be fair? think about what you say before you say it. Otherwise you look silly asking for basically the end game ship. If they make t2 tier 3... they would be nothing like a pvp ship currently. they'd do to them what they did to the marauders or black ops.... then ud just cry again that they weren't good for solo pvp....... Oh btw, if u want to fight with guns you shouldn't be a Caldari... railguns or for fleet style sniping no soloing
Cry5t4l New Millennium Knights	Posted - 2008.05.29 23:38:00 - [20] I'd enjoy seeing a t2 tier 2 Battlecruiser, even if it simply becomes the field/fleet command ship hull. Variety makes this game so much better.
Christari Zuborov Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.05.30 03:00:00 - [21] Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 30/05/2008 03:01:05 I was thinking about this earlier on the way home, and something that's always struck me odd is that our BSs don't have tertiary guns. All naval vessels carry tertiary guns. So a T3 BS could get the bonuses of their races cruiser bonuses, making it a utility fit rather than raw dps. The utility fit would prove useful vs. smaller, nimble, ships that are close range. You'd trade raw dps by fitting smaller guns, but it would allow you to fit for more situations. The bonuses shouldn't be anywhere near the same as their HAC counterparts. That would be my ideal T2 BS.
BugxEarl Izanagi Orbital Fleet Izanagi Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.30 04:14:00 - [22] EVE doesn't need anymore features until the problems at hand are fixed, and there are TONS of problem that need fixing/balancing.
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:22:00 - [23] Originally by: ghosttr I dont know about a t2 tier3 bs, but i would like to see additional t1 bs. I know that caldari should have a cheaper railbost, and that it would be nice if amarr, and gallente had some kind of ewar based ships This sounds good to me. A solopwnmobile heavy attack battleship would be pure fail but it wouldnt be as unbalancing as people think as it would probably have similar build costs to a dread. If they do add a 3rd type of t2 battleship it should be aimed towards a support role i.e. command, logistics or e-war.
Pirokobo Orion Academy THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.05.30 16:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Doddy If they do add a 3rd type of t2 battleship it should be aimed towards a support role i.e. command, logistics or e-war. Or sieges. A subcapital with siege mode and a single capital cannon would have uses.
Adelorae24 Black Podding	Posted - 2008.05.31 19:53:00 - [25] I think what this an other similar threads boil down to are just a desire for more ships. I love it when ships are added to the game. I had to train for the Kitsune right away even though it's ugly as sin and I never fly it. I just love jumping in that shiny new pimp-mobile for the first time. Those who say that T2 Attack BS would be overkill are correct. You can already do stupid things with the current battleships and enough isk. What if we had another completely new class of ships though, or perhaps jovian ships like the slick little shuttle we got recently. I just want more stuff to fly. I don't care if it's a pwnmobile or not. Alien (1979): "Before we dock, I think we ought to discuss the bonus situation."
GeneralNukeEm Free Collective The OSS	Posted - 2008.06.01 05:09:00 - [26] t2 mining bs gogogo. They all have 8 turrets.
Ecky X Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.06.01 10:17:00 - [27] Some ideas: Battleship-hull shuttle; Give it slightly better agility than current BS, no highslots, and +2 warp strength. Battleship-class POS-repper; Make it easy to jam, and fill the same role as a logistics ship - only you can fit a superfluous tank on it. Nano-Battleship; Good agility, high speeds, but take away dronebay and give it a tracking penalty. Suicide-ship; Make it cost a billion to build, no insurance. Give it a mini-doomsday and wait for the fireworks. Honestly, what are we lacking? Giving current battleships more combat ability without some major penalty (IE Marauders) would just make them better than current battleships. Black Ops cant warp cloaked, but a BS has no business doing that anyway - and they fill the ewar niche. Granted, not as well as they could. Fleet sniper? Expensive lossmail in the making. Maybe give every race a droneboat... but then Caldari-spec'd would complain about having to train drones, Gallente would complain the Dominix is now redundant. It would be like giving the Amarr an ECM-BS. While I love new ships, I think there are plenty in the game already. You just have to Crosstrain.
San Rintu Asshats and Alcoholics	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:00:00 - [28] Edited by: San Rintu on 02/06/2008 20:02:30 Ok all of the current Tier 3 BS's can hit easily over 1000 dps and can tank the same whilst having very few fitting problems, don't go trolling either, I cry when trying to fit T2 Tachyons too. Why on earth is it viable that the resists are increased upon them and they get more bonuses. At current I find all 4 some of the most fun ships to fly in the game as they pose some of the most catastrophic damage dealing available sub capital ship. T2 ships should not be thrown in just for the sake of it. I would love a T2 Hurricane or a Drake in the future by how do you improve upon a working formula without making the game ridiculous? The Rokh, Hyperion, Maelstrom and Abaddon are some of the most effectively balanced ships in the game and they all look fantastic. The Marauders only seem to be a disappointment to those that want this be all and end all ship that they can fly around, tank a fleet here, destroy a fleet there. They are still nonetheless ridiculous damage dealers while still having slots for cap warfare, x tanking or tea making facilities. Fit an ECCM and suddenly it's all gravy. However much I want a Rokh with Camoflauge or a black Abaddon, please do not make it T2 CCP
Ephemeron Anti-BoB	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:08:00 - [29] Edited by: Ephemeron on 02/06/2008 20:08:55 As I see it, a tier3 t2 bs will never be more of a solopwnmobile than a mothership. Currently, the mothership got all the pwnmobile qualities - and even then it can be killed. Existence of blobs make any ship killable. And if t3 bs costs 1/5 of a mothership, if its tank is much weaker than a mothership, if its dps is weaker than a mothership - I don't see what the problem is. If CCP really believes that such super strong ships shouldn't exist, why do they allow the Nyx?
Haldir Ravenclaw PezCo - Ice Services	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:03:00 - [30] I really can't think of a decent role for a tier 3 T2 battleship as much as I'd like to see one myself. One of the most common one that crops up is the "Flagship" one, but I'm pretty sure a dev mentioned that they possibly wanted to make a Flagship capital size (so guessing T2 carrier?) instead. I know for a fact a HAC-style damage/resist T2 BS probably won't ever exist (Duvolle Hyperion with double-damage bonus like Deimos/Astarte? Sure, but we won't see one!) but as I mentioned, I can't really think of a unique role for them. Marauders were a bit of a let down, but they are pretty useful! So, if we can't get a T2 version of tier 3 BS's, what about making the other battleships into Navy versions in the LP store? We already have the benchmark Navy BS's at 600k LP (the ones that require original tier 2 BS and a nexus chip, 500k for bpc and stuff), so how about 400-500k LP for a tier 1 Navy BS (Domi, Scorp etc) and 800-900k LP for a tier 3 Navy BS (Hyperion, Rokh etc). Seeing as how Factional Warfare is coming out Soon Ö and the factions want us to help blow their enemies up it could be a good excuse to bring them in . Some Navy Frigates would be quite nice as well, other than the "unique" frigates you get. But that's just me. --- We want T2/Faction drone modules!

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