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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:29:00 -
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I'd like to have the CSM constitution re-written to the effect that the majority vote winner is not automatically appointed Chairman but instead (stand-in chair) with the sole responsibility to handle an initial vote amongst committee members to select its own formal chair from the nine representatives. The CSM documents will need to be revised and changes authorized by CCP if this issue is to pass, since at the moment it is not possible within the rules of the CSM for the Chair to resign position and stand again for the position in the same session.
The reason I'm suggesting this change is that its very possible that the winner of the popular vote will not be best suited for the role of chair in future sessions of the CSM and the council will need the choice to pass over the majority vote winner for a more appropriate candidate if they are so-minded.
If this measure gains appropriate support I'll lobby for the change to be written into the CSM constitution during the Iceland meeting after which (if successfully implemented) I intend to stand down there for an immediate re-vote on Committee chair.
Is there support for this motion?
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:29:00 -
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I'd like to have the CSM constitution re-written to the effect that the majority vote winner is not automatically appointed Chairman but instead (stand-in chair) with the sole responsibility to handle an initial vote amongst committee members to select its own formal chair from the nine representatives. The CSM documents will need to be revised and changes authorized by CCP if this issue is to pass, since at the moment it is not possible within the rules of the CSM for the Chair to resign position and stand again for the position in the same session.
The reason I'm suggesting this change is that its very possible that the winner of the popular vote will not be best suited for the role of chair in future sessions of the CSM and the council will need the choice to pass over the majority vote winner for a more appropriate candidate if they are so-minded.
If this measure gains appropriate support I'll lobby for the change to be written into the CSM constitution during the Iceland meeting after which (if successfully implemented) I intend to stand down there for an immediate re-vote on Committee chair.
Is there support for this motion?
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:38:00 -
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sounds fair
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:38:00 -
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sounds fair
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Jokus Balim
Rising Sun Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:39:00 -
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Democracy is cool!
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Farrqua
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I'd like to have the CSM constitution re-written to the effect that the majority vote winner is not automatically appointed Chairman but instead (stand-in chair) with the sole responsibility to handle an initial vote amongst committee members to select its own formal chair from the nine representatives. The CSM documents will need to be revised and changes authorized by CCP if this issue is to pass, since at the moment it is not possible within the rules of the CSM for the Chair to resign position and stand again for the position in the same session.
The reason I'm suggesting this change is that its very possible that the winner of the popular vote will not be best suited for the role of chair in future sessions of the CSM and the council will need the choice to pass over the majority vote winner for a more appropriate candidate if they are so-minded.
If this measure gains appropriate support I'll lobby for the change to be written into the CSM constitution during the Iceland meeting after which (if successfully implemented) I intend to stand down there for an immediate re-vote on Committee chair.
Is there support for this motion?
Yes I agree. Based on popular vote the guy/gal that got the most votes might not be as you pointed out able to handle that kind of role, or even want it.
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Jokus Balim
Rising Sun Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:39:00 -
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Democracy is cool!
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Farrqua
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I'd like to have the CSM constitution re-written to the effect that the majority vote winner is not automatically appointed Chairman but instead (stand-in chair) with the sole responsibility to handle an initial vote amongst committee members to select its own formal chair from the nine representatives. The CSM documents will need to be revised and changes authorized by CCP if this issue is to pass, since at the moment it is not possible within the rules of the CSM for the Chair to resign position and stand again for the position in the same session.
The reason I'm suggesting this change is that its very possible that the winner of the popular vote will not be best suited for the role of chair in future sessions of the CSM and the council will need the choice to pass over the majority vote winner for a more appropriate candidate if they are so-minded.
If this measure gains appropriate support I'll lobby for the change to be written into the CSM constitution during the Iceland meeting after which (if successfully implemented) I intend to stand down there for an immediate re-vote on Committee chair.
Is there support for this motion?
Yes I agree. Based on popular vote the guy/gal that got the most votes might not be as you pointed out able to handle that kind of role, or even want it.
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Silence Duegood
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Posted - 2008.05.28 17:13:00 -
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steejans nix
0beron Construct
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Posted - 2008.05.28 17:22:00 -
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Agree the chairman should be decided by rest of committee as long as they leave personal feelings at the door and think of what's in Eve's player's best interests.
Also feel that it may serve the purpose more if only half of posts were up for election next time with other half being up the time after, this would keep continuity as only half get elected and not have a complete change in the CSM which could easily be a complete turn around in view's and thoughts if a big change happends in the members representing us.
It's the way local council's run where i live and seems to work well.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.05.28 17:24:00 -
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Agreed. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.28 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 28/05/2008 17:37:59 Sounds good to me. Go elect yourselves a pope! ------------------ Fix the forums! |
Inanna Zuni
The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.28 17:38:00 -
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I am presently neutral on this.
Should someone not want the additional responsibility of being Chair then they should, clearly, be permitted to resign that role without resigning their seat on the Council.
Whether it should be the case that the incoming full Council should elect a Chair, as opposed to the Chair being the person with the best podpilot support is not so clear-cut. The present method has the benefit that is should be less problematic: the result is clear when the votes are counted.
A hypothetical: Canididate X receives the highest individual vote (I'm ignoring that the whole voting process needs a review for the moment) and under the current system would be Chair. However insted it goes to a vote of the new Council, upon which serve four members of the same Alliance, though in terms of the ballot there were in positions 6, 7, 8, and 9. They choose one of their number to be Chair instead.
Whether you consider that 'fair' or not is the question, but it is clearly against the spirit of what pilots voted for as there were at least five candidates receiving more votes than than the Chair.
As I said, I'm neutral on this for the moment ...
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Ankhesentapemkah
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.28 18:11:00 -
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I personally might want the chairman position if I'd get it next election.
And you'll never know what kind of populist might get it.
Mixed feelings if it should be appointed through direct vote as that could work both ways, but at least giving the chairman the right to resign would be a good thing! ---
Thanks for all that supported me. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
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Eirikk
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Posted - 2008.05.28 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Eirikk on 28/05/2008 19:55:23 Jade, do you wish to resign or do you seek a better method of how a Chairperson should be selected?
I agree that the Chairperson should not be voted in simply because he/she had garnered the most votes in the general election.
I stronly affirm the amendment and that the Chairperson should be chosen by those already elected to represent.
Out of curiosity Jade, if the constitution is amended, would you still like to be considered for the role of Chairperson or would you like someone else to take on this responsibility?
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Squirrrel
Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.28 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Squirrrel on 28/05/2008 21:20:59 Agreed.
I see potential vote-rigging purely for friends/corp/alliance going on even further than it already has and it is detrimental to EvE and the CSM function.
Voting CSM's is enough. Allow them to vote their chair.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Eirikk Edited by: Eirikk on 28/05/2008 19:55:23 Jade, do you wish to resign or do you seek a better method of how a Chairperson should be selected?
I agree that the Chairperson should not be voted in simply because he/she had garnered the most votes in the general election.
I stronly affirm the amendment and that the Chairperson should be chosen by those already elected to represent.
Out of curiosity Jade, if the constitution is amended, would you still like to be considered for the role of Chairperson or would you like someone else to take on this responsibility?
Oh if the measure is adopted I'll stand for election for chairman again. I definitely feel I can do a lot for the inaugural CSM session as chair. But I do feel this should be an elected position on the council, and I think its important that we have sa***uards in place to protect the process of the CSM in future against a candidate winning the popular vote who wouldn't be able to function as chair for whatever reason - I've got my eyes on the future here and I really want to leave the CSM process stronger and more certain for whoever is elected next time around.
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Athre
The HIgher Standard
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:18:00 -
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Supported
Council should vote their own chair same as the vice chair, secretary and vice secretary.
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Teclis van'Dreike
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:22:00 -
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Inanna Zuni
The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah at least giving the chairman the right to resign would be a good thing!
From the CCP document: "If the Chairman decides to step down or rescind his responsibility during this time for any reason, a vote must be held among Representatives to replace him."
This, clearly, gives the right to resign to the Chair, albeit that it is otherwise sexist in not recognising that over 5% of the EVE playbase are female.
IZ
My principles |
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JVol
The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:41:00 -
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Very koool move
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Oftherocks
Of The Rocks Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.29 00:07:00 -
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Very well said Jade.
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Araviel
Epic.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 01:08:00 -
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good idea jade
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Achnaton
S'Erum
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Posted - 2008.05.29 05:21:00 -
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couldn't agree more
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Quetzalcoatle
Silver Snake Enterprise Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.29 05:22:00 -
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Ameliorate
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Posted - 2008.05.29 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ameliorate on 29/05/2008 05:35:33
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Katini Ellegahn
Capital Development and Security Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.29 05:38:00 -
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This sounds familiar, but with way better wording. Intelligent and well thought out. I wonder where the other person went wrong...
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.05.29 06:36:00 -
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/signed
This should have been there from the start. --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
Maor Raor
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Posted - 2008.05.29 07:38:00 -
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I dont agree.
The popular vote should stand for somthing after the election is over.
by all means alow the Chair to step down if they want or put in a mechanisium to remove the chair if its a goon but dont invalidate winning the largest portion of the popular vote.
Also the under current system if an Alliance want to secure the chair then all they need to do is focus their votes on one candidate. This also leaves them with less actual voteing power on the CSM than they would have if they split their votes between two.
All tinfoil hattery asside.
I think that being the most popular elected CSM should mean somthing even after the election .
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Grismar
The Establishment
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Posted - 2008.05.29 08:10:00 -
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Having the chairman position rest with the member with the highest vote count doesn't seem to make sense.
I haven't read the constitution in detail, but I can see different ways for the CSM member with the most public votes to have some small advantage after the elections.
Some ideas that might work together and still give the majority vote winner an advantage: - the chairman position falls with the majority vote winner by default; - the chairman position has to be given up by the person holding it, starting an internal vote for a new chairman; - only CSM members who indicate they want the position of chairman can receive votes, if none of them want the position, it returns to the previous member holding it; - in case of a tie in the chairman election, the majority vote winner is the tie breaker;
My support for the basic premise at any rate, Grismar. |
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