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Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.05.29 02:17:00 - [31] I'm afk cloaking right now. The phone is ringing see, it's that whole RL thing. Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.05.29 02:22:00 - [32] To the OP: You know most of these responses are sarcastic, right? Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
EveJoker Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.29 02:29:00 - [33] I heard from a good source that the same mod would eject afkers from any station they were docked at, and eject people from the pos!
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.05.29 08:46:00 - [34] Imho, only ships that are meant to be cloaked (bombers, recons ships, etc...) should be able to. ------------------------------------------
Kehmor PAK	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Pithecanthropus Originally by: Beef Hardslab Edited by: Beef Hardslab on 28/05/2008 22:07:34 Sov 4 should spawn Concord for you, I mean, once you've made it, you've made it, right? Now thats just silly. How long have you been playing this game? and you have yet to realize sovereignty and system security are two different things. 0.0 will always be 0.0... last I checked Concord spawned in 0.5 and above. nice attempt, but you fail. Holy ****, is this guy for real? - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
RuleoftheBone Ataraxia.	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:18:00 - [36] Originally by: Shadowsword Imho, only ships that are meant to be cloaked (bombers, recons ships, etc...) should be able to. Agreed a zillion percent. But add transport/blockade runners to the list. Gotta give the empire bears some love too. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
the member Republic University	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Illrae Pyou toasting in a phread this fuy is gunny Quote: "You're obviously from France." -- Intel CEO Paul Ottelini
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:31:00 - [38] I love these posts :-) Spewing fire on AFK cloakers and burning all the others with them just for good measure. --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Beef Hardslab Yes, I think once you have Sov 3 all of your ships in that system should get doubled hitpoints across the board, all enemy cloaks should no longer function, and you should be able to instantly pinpoint any enemy in system. I actually think that all enemy ships entering system you hold sov 3 in, should auto-pop upon arrival. ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
Krulgatha	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:29:00 - [40] Originally by: Celeste Coeval I'm afk cloaking right now. The phone is ringing see, it's that whole RL thing. I love the fact that no one brings the RL thing into eve and that cloaking in a safe allows you to not get shouted at by the Mrs.
Sartaron LEGI0N F.E.A.R Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:54:00 - [41] Originally by: Pithecanthropus haha... i think the last thing an afk cloaker wants to know is who is NOT in a system.
Setana Manoro Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.29 12:03:00 - [42] Originally by: Pithecanthropus Is there some truth to this rumor? Is it a mod or pos array? Because that is a damn good idea... finally, put out a pos array in sov 3+ that can decloak all ships in system. Time to rid the Eve universe of stank rat infested immature afk cloakers. If there is a bottom feeder form of mucus floating around space, it is this scum of a person. \o/ Besides, its not like an afk cloaker should care... because if ridding the game of afk cloakers is a problem, then why would it be if you were afk anyway. right? You'd just be logged off. Thus, it doesn't affect you in any way. If you are afk, game mechanics that change prohibiting you from being afk, really don't change your game at all. You'd be somewhere else anyway... probably studying for your 9th grade finals. AFK cloaker touched you in a naughty place too ?
Miyamoto Uroki PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.05.29 12:14:00 - [43] There was a possible solution from ccp which they tried out in Sisi I guess. It was a module that imho, should be an addition to the usual cloaking mods. Standard cloaking mods except the cov ops one could get a cooldown period, just like doomsday devices, so that you are like 1 minute visible every 15 minutes or something. So you cannot set the cloaking on autorepeat. The additional mod however, doesn't cloak you at all, it just reduces your ships signature radius to a very very low level. So you are still there in space, but very hard to scan down. That would also benefit the so far pretty much unused system scanning arrays in your home systems. That would at least put an end on afk cloakers. The new module must have similar drawbacks as standard cloaks though, to prevent abuse of them on every ship after an engagement. Even if its offline. Wonder why CCP gave up that idea.
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.05.29 13:11:00 - [44] If afk cloaking isn't a problem, then why would you care if it got nerfed? You we're afk anyway! Let's not all beat around the bush... afk cloakers are designed to give a system the constant threat. And to be honest, that is fine... if you are at the computer, making it worth the troubles of everyone who are trying to use bait tactics, or other means. but to walk away for the entire day, just says you are reaching for grief tactics. its not pvp, when half of the p's are not there. it's a grief tactic. And yes, I know people are being sarcastic, but that doesn't mean I can't be sarcastic either... Go ahead and cloak, but it only makes sense if there are means to insure you are at the computer to monitor you're own safety. Zero risk all day? It shouldn't work that way. Flawed, it is, yes. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Hannobaal Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.29 13:16:00 - [45] Originally by: Pithecanthropus afk cloakers are designed to give a system the constant threat. So let's remove local.
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.05.29 13:22:00 - [46] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Pithecanthropus afk cloakers are designed to give a system the constant threat. So let's remove local. 1. removing local does not fix the afk cloaker. 2. removing local simply hides griefers more 3. removing local doesn't hide the fact were people are in 0.0... (outpost systems) 4. removing local solves nothing. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
BLAIYNE Shadow Play Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2008.05.29 13:22:00 - [47] Or just remove the cloak's ability to autorepeat on every ship except Covert Ops. That way you can't AFK cloak, and remaining cloaked involves some effort.
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.05.29 13:27:00 - [48] Originally by: BLAIYNE Or just remove the cloak's ability to autorepeat on every ship except Covert Ops. That way you can't AFK cloak, and remaining cloaked involves some effort. exactly... finally someone with a brain who understands the situation... and not selfish griefers who can't find real ways to pvp. oh... and that's not an insult. I'm being sarcastic. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Mui Mui Independent Pilots	Posted - 2008.05.29 13:28:00 - [49] To the OP. Get a CLUE. If the guy is afk and cloaked, so what? Does his presence in local SCARE you so much? What is this cloaker doing to you that warrants you to post this? How do you know he is afk? He may be under orders to keep silent and observe only. Maybe he doesn't speak English or keeps local minimised. Why do you care so much as he is afk and doing something else, right? Oh wait, you're ****ed in case he ISN'T AFK. That's right, it's not the afk cloakers you're afraid of but the active cloakers. The ones that might be sneaking up on you mining or ratting, stealing your loot or wrecks. Maybe even thinking about uncloaking above your ship and BBQ'ing your ass? Play the game. Quit whining. Bring friends. Or a bigger ship. Anti-cloak pos array my ass..... MM
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.05.29 13:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Mui Mui To the OP. Get a CLUE. If the guy is afk and cloaked, so what? Does his presence in local SCARE you so much? What is this cloaker doing to you that warrants you to post this? How do you know he is afk? He may be under orders to keep silent and observe only. Maybe he doesn't speak English or keeps local minimised. Why do you care so much as he is afk and doing something else, right? Oh wait, you're **ed in case he ISN'T AFK. That's right, it's not the afk cloakers you're afraid of but the active cloakers. The ones that might be sneaking up on you mining or ratting, stealing your loot or wrecks. Maybe even thinking about uncloaking above your ship and BBQ'ing your ass? Play the game. Quit whining. Bring friends. Or a bigger ship. Anti-cloak pos array my ass..... MM Now why would I be afraid of active cloakers when this whole topic is about afk cloakers? The fact is I encourage people to cloak and play. What I hate is having a group of 10-20 people trying to bait and catch cloakers when they are not even there! That is flawed! All I know if there are means to make you afk weenies have to be at your computer then you are ed. Why are you ed to have to monitor your game? why should it make you ed to have to actually play your cloaking game? Play your game! PLay it at your computer? There is NO reason why you should be mad, if any nerf comes to cloaks, you can STILL CLOAK! get it? get the point? You are **ed cuz you can't cloak and run off to your friends to play tag in the backyard. two sides here my friend. you have no reason to get mad if you play the game. get it now?
Mui Mui Independent Pilots	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:24:00 - [51] Originally by: Pithecanthropus ...The fact is I encourage people to cloak and play. What I hate is having a group of 10-20 people trying to bait and catch cloakers when they are not even there! That is flawed! OMG! No one is falling for our bait! The game is flawed. There is NO difference between an active cloaked gang not biting on your bait and an afk one. NONE. Same result. Empty net. Wasted time. Either ignore the cloakers (AFK or simply ignoring you) or mine ore with friends and NOT solo or move onto another system. Originally by: Pithecanthropus You are **ed cuz you can't cloak and run off to your friends.... I cloak. I watch. I don't chat to idiots in local as per orders. You can't find me? Tough. You can't bait me? Tough. You think I am afk? Tough. Originally by:** Pithecanthropus get it now? Yup. You fail. Covert-ops pilots will not indulge in idle banter with idiots in local. Period. We may look as if we're afk. We're not you know? I do agree that there are some afk cloakers....but what can ANYONE do to force them to decloak? They are not stealing your ore, macro mining, killing your rats etc. They just appear in local. That is ALL. The answer to AFK players full stop would be some sort of player activated response every 15 minutes, a failure that will result in a disconnect or something. However, your blanket DECLOAK everyone in a system is idiotic, badly thought out and apparently a product of a lazy mind. Fail. Fail on all accounts. MM
Hannobaal Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:43:00 - [52] Edited by: Hannobaal on 29/05/2008 14:44:59 Originally by: Pithecanthropus Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Pithecanthropus afk cloakers are designed to give a system the constant threat. So let's remove local. 1. removing local does not fix the afk cloaker. Unless the problem is strictly with them when they are there at the computer and not when they are afk like you claim, removing local is the only logical solution. There is absolutely no difference (in any way whatsoever) between a logged out pilot and a cloaked pilot who is afk and not showing in local.
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:12:00 - [53] Originally by: Pithecanthropus Originally by: BLAIYNE Or just remove the cloak's ability to autorepeat on every ship except Covert Ops. That way you can't AFK cloak, and remaining cloaked involves some effort. exactly... finally someone with a brain who understands the situation... and not selfish griefers who can't find real ways to pvp. oh... and that's not an insult. I'm being sarcastic. That would be the perfect solution realy. I mean I can exactly time my recloak based on the perfect UI that shows me when my mod ends a cycle. Oh wait ... I CAN'T !!! P.S: there is a recloak penalty which means, you either bug out before you decloak while dodging a gatecamp or you are dead. I predict happy industrial pilots cheering your idea ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
Terminus adacai	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:32:00 - [54] If they are afk and cloaked, who cares? They could be AFK and docked just as well... Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Mamer	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:38:00 - [55] Local should be something that is earned by the alliance holding the area. After they get constellation, a basic agent should be automatically placed in the outpost for the purpose of developing the region for that new controlling alliance. The agent would have members running tons of missions for either supplies or whatever and percentage of completion for each completed mission. When done the "Local Communication Network Array" or whatever would be built at some planet or where ever, maybe even alliance choosing. A invading alliance would have to find that and destroy that to eliminate their being seen in local. Of course it would have some insane number of hitpoints as well. Then there could be other features this agent could be useful for, maybe even building some basic sentry guns or whatnot who knows, the possiblilities are something to think about to expand 0.0 .
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:39:00 - [56] Still the same stubborn two sides to this argument, I see. Here's an example of how AFK cloaking is bad: I've seen a guy who EVERY DAY after DT logs in, scans a COSMOS Radar plex, runs it with his Ishtar in 5 min (its farmable/exploitable), then goes afk cloaked in the plex for the next 12 hours. At that time, he hands the plex off to a collegue in another corp who does the same thing. If you don't actively block the plex by AFK cloaking in it yourself, he despawns the plex when local is clear and looks for its instant respawn somewhere else in the constellation. Rise/Repeat all day for an estimated 2-4 bill isk per day. Its been petitioned: CCP says its not at exploit at this time. You can't find a cloaked ship in the plex, and if we try to fight back he just blocks the plex for that whole day. Now please explain to me how 'AFK cloakers are not a problem' again. I'd really like to know how I can stop this guy's AFK actions.
Mui Mui Independent Pilots	Posted - 2008.05.29 16:02:00 - [57] Edited by: Mui Mui on 29/05/2008 16:03:18 Originally by: Princess Jodi ......... Now please explain to me how 'AFK cloakers are not a problem' again. I'd really like to know how I can stop this guy's AFK actions. What's stopping someone ELSE from probing out the 'plex right after DT? Granted, it's a race to get a hit on the probe but if you had more probers with you, then you have a better chance. Beat him to the 'plex, park a Smartbombing BS at the entrance and laugh in the guy's face. Hell, go into the 'plex yourself, farm it and go AFK inside, cloaked to stop it from despawning. This demands team work, patience and some luck but if 2-4billion isk a day is what you want, then I would expect someone would do their level best to grab control of the 'plex and get all that income for themselves. I think having a cloaker inside a 'plex and preventing it from despawning IS an issue. These 'plexs, once the main rat is killed, or main loot taken SHOULD automatically despawn. Having peeps inside the 'plex shouldn't prevent this from happening. So there is a window, albeit a small one, to prevent this farmer from jumping in. Do this a couple of times and if he blocks the 'plex, fair enough. If you get in before he does, you block him. Fair enough. If he logs in and works the plex 23/7 - what can you do? You have a RL, he apparently doesn't.
Armoured C Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.05.29 16:45:00 - [58] what a hilarious lolathread
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.29 16:57:00 - [59] Originally by: Pithecanthropus Let's not all beat around the bush... afk cloakers are designed to give a system the constant threat. And to be honest, that is fine... if you are at the computer,... [edited for whine] ... but to walk away for the entire day, just says you are reaching for grief tactics. its not pvp, when half of the p's are not there. it's a grief tactic. Griefing is when you play just to annoy specific people but gain nothing from it, for example, following a miner around and bumping him constantly when he's proven he's not going to be baited. AFK cloaking in an enemy system to deny them resources is not griefing, it's strategic play. The tears you've shed in this thread are proof that it works. ---------------- [insert signature here]
LongHong Dong	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:00:00 - [60] Edited by: LongHong Dong on 29/05/2008 17:00:12 I have 3 accounts and 2 of them use afk cloaking for intel. Please do not nerf us.

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