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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.05.28 21:59:00 -
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Is there some truth to this rumor? Is it a mod or pos array? Because that is a damn good idea... finally, put out a pos array in sov 3+ that can decloak all ships in system.
Time to rid the Eve universe of stank rat infested immature afk cloakers. If there is a bottom feeder form of mucus floating around space, it is this scum of a person.
\o/
Besides, its not like an afk cloaker should care... because if ridding the game of afk cloakers is a problem, then why would it be if you were afk anyway. right? You'd just be logged off. Thus, it doesn't affect you in any way.
If you are afk, game mechanics that change prohibiting you from being afk, really don't change your game at all. You'd be somewhere else anyway... probably studying for your 9th grade finals.
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Kenneth McCoy
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:00:00 -
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Stuff?
My opinions and views are not the official views of my Corp. |
Modrak Vseth
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Pithecanthropus
stuff
I take it you don't like AFK cloakers, yeah? 
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Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:03:00 -
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Yes, I think once you have Sov 3 all of your ships in that system should get doubled hitpoints across the board, all enemy cloaks should no longer function, and you should be able to instantly pinpoint any enemy in system.
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Hellspawn666
Master Miners
Intruders.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Yes, I think once you have Sov 3 all of your ships in that system should get doubled hitpoints across the board, all enemy cloaks should no longer function, and you should be able to instantly pinpoint any enemy in system.
Well for somthign that good defo should have sov 4 and a deployable AOE thing that can be destroyed to remove that priviledge.
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:05:00 -
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I think sov 3 let you right click and warp to people in local
also, if there's an outpost within a few jumps, you should be able to just right click and be choose "kill" on anyone in local
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:07:00 -
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Cloakers I love... afk cloakers are quite lame.
I mean, be real... who in their right mind does this? what talent? what skill? what kind of person gets their rocks off by cloaking in a system and then taking the bus to junior high? no effort... there are no games where you can walk away and still be effective. Its a game, if you're not gonna sit and play, then go skateboard with your buddies and logoff.
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Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: Beef Hardslab on 28/05/2008 22:07:34
Sov 4 should spawn Concord for you, I mean, once you've made it, you've made it, right?
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Ephemeron
Anti-BoB
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:09:00 -
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how about we just nerf local so AFK cloaking is no longer an issue
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Yes, I think once you have Sov 3 all of your ships in that system should get doubled hitpoints across the board, all enemy cloaks should no longer function, and you should be able to instantly pinpoint any enemy in system.
now that is lame. are you even comparing the fact of an array able to decloak all ships in a system to doubled hitpoints and zero function of enemy cloaks? LOL... pick up a book called "Get A Clue".
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
how about we just nerf local so AFK cloaking is no longer an issue
haha... i think the last thing an afk cloaker wants to know is who is NOT in a system. And if he's there with no local scouting belts to gank, then good for him... because he is AT THE COMPUTER! that is legit.
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Marine HK4861
Radical Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Yes, I think once you have Sov 3 all of your ships in that system should get doubled hitpoints across the board, all enemy cloaks should no longer function, and you should be able to instantly pinpoint any enemy in system.
now that is lame. are you even comparing the fact of an array able to decloak all ships in a system to doubled hitpoints and zero function of enemy cloaks? LOL... pick up a book called "Get A Clue".
Beef was being sarcastic, which is a general indication of what he thought of your idea.
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Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Marine HK4861
Beef was being sarcastic, which is a general indication of what he thought of your idea.
Aww I was just coming up with something superdooper too 
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Edited by: Beef Hardslab on 28/05/2008 22:07:34
Sov 4 should spawn Concord for you, I mean, once you've made it, you've made it, right?
Now thats just silly. How long have you been playing this game? and you have yet to realize sovereignty and system security are two different things. 0.0 will always be 0.0... last I checked Concord spawned in 0.5 and above.
nice attempt, but you fail.
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Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Edited by: Beef Hardslab on 28/05/2008 22:07:34
Sov 4 should spawn Concord for you, I mean, once you've made it, you've made it, right?
Now thats just silly. How long have you been playing this game? and you have yet to realize sovereignty and system security are two different things. 0.0 will always be 0.0... last I checked Concord spawned in 0.5 and above.
nice attempt, but you fail.
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Zurrar
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:28:00 -
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smart bombs on a mwd fit destroyer, problem solved :)
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Call'Da Poleece
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zurrar
smart bombs on a mwd fit destroyer, problem solved :)
I dont know if this is meant to be sarcastic or what |
Shirley Serious
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Is there some truth to this rumor?
what rumour?
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Ephemeron
Anti-BoB
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:40:00 -
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Contrary to common sense, smartbomb damage doesn't decloak
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Siege
Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:44:00 -
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The anti-cloaking pulse has been in the client for at least two years that I know of. As has the Infested Dominix and a few other really interesting looking items that never got implemented.
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Biffidus Rex
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:03:00 -
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I saw two "infested Dominix" yesterday. What's not implemented about that?
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Edited by: Beef Hardslab on 28/05/2008 22:07:34
Sov 4 should spawn Concord for you, I mean, once you've made it, you've made it, right?
Now thats just silly. How long have you been playing this game? and you have yet to realize sovereignty and system security are two different things. 0.0 will always be 0.0... last I checked Concord spawned in 0.5 and above.
nice attempt, but you fail.
 its so hard to tell who's trolling who these days...
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Siege
Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Biffidus Rex
I saw two "infested Dominix" yesterday. What's not implemented about that?
I was referring to the player flown version :-)
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Ortela Devereaux
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ortela Devereaux on 28/05/2008 23:15:09
1) Who would want to fly an infested ship that doesnt obey your orders anyways?
2) What the hell is your problem with afk cloakers? If one single ship scares you so much that you don't dare undocking, well... he wins. If you want to rat, get some friends to be ready in case he attacks. It's not like a rapier/pilgrim/arazu/falcon will instapop your Raven, is it?
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Riethe
Invictus Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:13:00 -
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Wow. The intense lack of sarcasm detectors in this thread is actually frustrating.
How dumb are you people.
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Guillame Herschel
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 28/05/2008 23:21:37
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Cloakers I love... afk cloakers are quite lame.
I mean, be real... who in their right mind does this? what talent? what skill? what kind of person gets their rocks off by cloaking in a system and then taking the bus to junior high? no effort...
^^^^ That post is why we do it. Clearly, afk cloaking is a very good tactic for irritating your enemies.
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there are no games where you can walk away and still be effective.
Of course there are. EVE especially.
When I'm afk...
... my manufacturing jobs continue to build
... my research projects continue to research
... my skills continue to advance
... my presence in local irritates my enemies
... my auctions continue to accept bids
... my ship flies to its destination on autopilot
Is there anything else I can help you with?
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Illrae Pyou
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:18:00 -
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toasting in a phread
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
I
Time to rid the Eve universe of stank rat infested immature afk cloakers. If there is a bottom feeder form of mucus floating around space, it is this scum of a person.
\o/
WOW...some serious issues going on there
But it's nice you point out that with the next patch, CCP are going to introduce voodoo stealth technology, that can determine if a player is afk or not.
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.05.29 00:24:00 -
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Pheor Teh Cloaked Ratter Of DOOM!
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 00:44:00 -
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Onoes, the AFK Cloakers in my systems, whatever shall I do 
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2008.05.29 02:17:00 -
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I'm afk cloaking right now. The phone is ringing see, it's that whole RL thing.
Originally by: Lance Fighter
This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route. |
Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.05.29 02:22:00 -
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To the OP:
You know most of these responses are sarcastic, right?
Originally by: Rachel Vend
... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
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EveJoker
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 02:29:00 -
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I heard from a good source that the same mod would eject afkers from any station they were docked at, and eject people from the pos!
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.29 08:46:00 -
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Imho, only ships that are meant to be cloaked (bombers, recons ships, etc...) should be able to.
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Kehmor
PAK
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Posted - 2008.05.29 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Edited by: Beef Hardslab on 28/05/2008 22:07:34
Sov 4 should spawn Concord for you, I mean, once you've made it, you've made it, right?
Now thats just silly. How long have you been playing this game? and you have yet to realize sovereignty and system security are two different things. 0.0 will always be 0.0... last I checked Concord spawned in 0.5 and above.
nice attempt, but you fail.
Holy ****, is this guy for real?
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RuleoftheBone
Ataraxia.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Imho, only ships that are meant to be cloaked (bombers, recons ships, etc...) should be able to.
Agreed a zillion percent.
But add transport/blockade runners to the list. Gotta give the empire bears some love too.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
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the member
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.05.29 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Illrae Pyou
toasting in a phread
this fuy is gunny
Quote:
"You're obviously from France."
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.05.29 10:31:00 -
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I love these posts :-)
Spewing fire on AFK cloakers and burning all the others with them just for good measure.
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omglollolol
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Yes, I think once you have Sov 3 all of your ships in that system should get doubled hitpoints across the board, all enemy cloaks should no longer function, and you should be able to instantly pinpoint any enemy in system.
I actually think that all enemy ships entering system you hold sov 3 in, should auto-pop upon arrival.
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Krulgatha
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval
I'm afk cloaking right now. The phone is ringing see, it's that whole RL thing.
I love the fact that no one brings the RL thing into eve and that cloaking in a safe allows you to not get shouted at by the Mrs.
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Sartaron
LEGI0N
F.E.A.R Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
haha... i think the last thing an afk cloaker wants to know is who is NOT in a system.
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Setana Manoro
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Is there some truth to this rumor? Is it a mod or pos array? Because that is a damn good idea... finally, put out a pos array in sov 3+ that can decloak all ships in system.
Time to rid the Eve universe of stank rat infested immature afk cloakers. If there is a bottom feeder form of mucus floating around space, it is this scum of a person.
\o/
Besides, its not like an afk cloaker should care... because if ridding the game of afk cloakers is a problem, then why would it be if you were afk anyway. right? You'd just be logged off. Thus, it doesn't affect you in any way.
If you are afk, game mechanics that change prohibiting you from being afk, really don't change your game at all. You'd be somewhere else anyway... probably studying for your 9th grade finals.
AFK cloaker touched you in a naughty place too ?
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Miyamoto Uroki
PURE Legion
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 12:14:00 -
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There was a possible solution from ccp which they tried out in Sisi I guess. It was a module that imho, should be an addition to the usual cloaking mods.
Standard cloaking mods except the cov ops one could get a cooldown period, just like doomsday devices, so that you are like 1 minute visible every 15 minutes or something. So you cannot set the cloaking on autorepeat.
The additional mod however, doesn't cloak you at all, it just reduces your ships signature radius to a very very low level. So you are still there in space, but very hard to scan down. That would also benefit the so far pretty much unused system scanning arrays in your home systems.
That would at least put an end on afk cloakers. The new module must have similar drawbacks as standard cloaks though, to prevent abuse of them on every ship after an engagement. Even if its offline.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.05.29 13:11:00 -
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If afk cloaking isn't a problem, then why would you care if it got nerfed? You we're afk anyway!
Let's not all beat around the bush... afk cloakers are designed to give a system the constant threat. And to be honest, that is fine... if you are at the computer, making it worth the troubles of everyone who are trying to use bait tactics, or other means. but to walk away for the entire day, just says you are reaching for grief tactics. its not pvp, when half of the p's are not there. it's a grief tactic.
And yes, I know people are being sarcastic, but that doesn't mean I can't be sarcastic either...
Go ahead and cloak, but it only makes sense if there are means to insure you are at the computer to monitor you're own safety. Zero risk all day? It shouldn't work that way. Flawed, it is, yes.
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Hannobaal
Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
afk cloakers are designed to give a system the constant threat.
So let's remove local.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.05.29 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
afk cloakers are designed to give a system the constant threat.
So let's remove local.
1. removing local does not fix the afk cloaker.
2. removing local simply hides griefers more
3. removing local doesn't hide the fact were people are in 0.0... (outpost systems)
4. removing local solves nothing.
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BLAIYNE
Shadow Play
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2008.05.29 13:22:00 -
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Or just remove the cloak's ability to autorepeat on every ship except Covert Ops. That way you can't AFK cloak, and remaining cloaked involves some effort.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.05.29 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: BLAIYNE
Or just remove the cloak's ability to autorepeat on every ship except Covert Ops. That way you can't AFK cloak, and remaining cloaked involves some effort.
exactly... finally someone with a brain who understands the situation... and not selfish griefers who can't find real ways to pvp.
oh... and that's not an insult. I'm being sarcastic.
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Mui Mui
Independent Pilots
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Posted - 2008.05.29 13:28:00 -
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To the OP.
Get a CLUE.
If the guy is afk and cloaked, so what? Does his presence in local *SCARE* you so much? What is this cloaker doing to you that warrants you to post this? How do you know he is afk? He may be under orders to keep silent and observe only. Maybe he doesn't speak English or keeps local minimised. Why do you care so much as he is afk and doing something else, right?
Oh wait, you're ****ed in case he ISN'T AFK. That's right, it's not the afk cloakers you're afraid of but the active cloakers. The ones that might be sneaking up on you mining or ratting, stealing your loot or wrecks. Maybe even thinking about uncloaking above your ship and BBQ'ing your ass?
Play the game. Quit whining. Bring friends. Or a bigger ship.
Anti-cloak pos array my ass.....
MM
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.05.29 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mui Mui
To the OP.
Get a CLUE.
If the guy is afk and cloaked, so what? Does his presence in local *SCARE* you so much? What is this cloaker doing to you that warrants you to post this? How do you know he is afk? He may be under orders to keep silent and observe only. Maybe he doesn't speak English or keeps local minimised. Why do you care so much as he is afk and doing something else, right?
Oh wait, you're ****ed in case he ISN'T AFK. That's right, it's not the afk cloakers you're afraid of but the active cloakers. The ones that might be sneaking up on you mining or ratting, stealing your loot or wrecks. Maybe even thinking about uncloaking above your ship and BBQ'ing your ass?
Play the game. Quit whining. Bring friends. Or a bigger ship.
Anti-cloak pos array my ass.....
MM
Now why would I be afraid of active cloakers when this whole topic is about afk cloakers? The fact is I encourage people to cloak and play. What I hate is having a group of 10-20 people trying to bait and catch cloakers when they are not even there! That is flawed!
All I know if there are means to make you afk weenies have to be at your computer then you are ****ed. Why are you ****ed to have to monitor your game? why should it make you ****ed to have to actually play your cloaking game? Play your game! PLay it at your computer? There is NO reason why you should be mad, if any nerf comes to cloaks, you can STILL CLOAK! get it? get the point?
You are ****ed cuz you can't cloak and run off to your friends to play tag in the backyard. two sides here my friend. you have no reason to get mad if you play the game.
get it now?
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Mui Mui
Independent Pilots
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Posted - 2008.05.29 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
...The fact is I encourage people to cloak and play. What I hate is having a group of 10-20 people trying to bait and catch cloakers when they are not even there! That is flawed!
OMG! No one is falling for our bait! The game is flawed.
There is NO difference between an active cloaked gang not biting on your bait and an afk one. NONE. Same result. Empty net. Wasted time. Either ignore the cloakers (AFK or simply ignoring you) or mine ore with friends and NOT solo or move onto another system.
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
You are ****ed cuz you can't cloak and run off to your friends....
I cloak. I watch. I don't chat to idiots in local as per orders.
You can't find me? Tough.
You can't bait me? Tough.
You think I am afk? Tough.
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
get it now?
Yup. You fail. Covert-ops pilots will not indulge in idle banter with idiots in local. Period. We may look as if we're afk. We're not you know? I do agree that there are some afk cloakers....but what can ANYONE do to force them to decloak? They are not stealing your ore, macro mining, killing your rats etc. They just appear in local. That is ALL. The answer to AFK players full stop would be some sort of player activated response every 15 minutes, a failure that will result in a disconnect or something. However, your blanket DECLOAK everyone in a system is idiotic, badly thought out and apparently a product of a lazy mind.
Fail. Fail on all accounts.
MM
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Hannobaal
Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Hannobaal on 29/05/2008 14:44:59
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
afk cloakers are designed to give a system the constant threat.
So let's remove local.
1. removing local does not fix the afk cloaker.
Unless the problem is strictly with them when they are there at the computer and not when they are afk like you claim, removing local is the only logical solution.
There is absolutely no difference (in any way whatsoever) between a logged out pilot and a cloaked pilot who is afk and not showing in local.
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.05.29 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: BLAIYNE
Or just remove the cloak's ability to autorepeat on every ship except Covert Ops. That way you can't AFK cloak, and remaining cloaked involves some effort.
exactly... finally someone with a brain who understands the situation... and not selfish griefers who can't find real ways to pvp.
oh... and that's not an insult. I'm being sarcastic.
That would be the perfect solution realy. I mean I can exactly time my recloak based on the perfect UI that shows me when my mod ends a cycle. Oh wait ... I CAN'T !!!
P.S: there is a recloak penalty which means, you either bug out before you decloak while dodging a gatecamp or you are dead. I predict happy industrial pilots cheering your idea ...
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Terminus adacai
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Posted - 2008.05.29 15:32:00 -
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If they are afk and cloaked, who cares? They could be AFK and docked just as well...
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Mamer
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Posted - 2008.05.29 15:38:00 -
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Local should be something that is earned by the alliance holding the area. After they get constellation, a basic agent should be automatically placed in the outpost for the purpose of developing the region for that new controlling alliance. The agent would have members running tons of missions for either supplies or whatever and percentage of completion for each completed mission. When done the "Local Communication Network Array" or whatever would be built at some planet or where ever, maybe even alliance choosing. A invading alliance would have to find that and destroy that to eliminate their being seen in local. Of course it would have some insane number of hitpoints as well. Then there could be other features this agent could be useful for, maybe even building some basic sentry guns or whatnot who knows, the possiblilities are something to think about to expand 0.0 .
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.29 15:39:00 -
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Still the same stubborn two sides to this argument, I see.
Here's an example of how AFK cloaking is bad: I've seen a guy who EVERY DAY after DT logs in, scans a COSMOS Radar plex, runs it with his Ishtar in 5 min (its farmable/exploitable), then goes afk cloaked in the plex for the next 12 hours. At that time, he hands the plex off to a collegue in another corp who does the same thing. If you don't actively block the plex by AFK cloaking in it yourself, he despawns the plex when local is clear and looks for its instant respawn somewhere else in the constellation. Rise/Repeat all day for an estimated 2-4 bill isk per day.
Its been petitioned: CCP says its not at exploit at this time. You can't find a cloaked ship in the plex, and if we try to fight back he just blocks the plex for that whole day.
Now please explain to me how 'AFK cloakers are not a problem' again. I'd really like to know how I can stop this guy's AFK actions.
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Mui Mui
Independent Pilots
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Posted - 2008.05.29 16:02:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Mui Mui on 29/05/2008 16:03:18
Originally by: Princess Jodi
.........
Now please explain to me how 'AFK cloakers are not a problem' again. I'd really like to know how I can stop this guy's AFK actions.
What's stopping someone *ELSE* from probing out the 'plex right after DT? Granted, it's a race to get a hit on the probe but if you had more probers with you, then you have a better chance. Beat him to the 'plex, park a Smartbombing BS at the entrance and laugh in the guy's face. Hell, go into the 'plex yourself, farm it and go AFK inside, cloaked to stop it from despawning.
This demands team work, patience and some luck but if 2-4billion isk a day is what you want, then I would expect someone would do their level best to grab control of the 'plex and get all that income for themselves.
I think having a cloaker inside a 'plex and preventing it from despawning *IS* an issue. These 'plexs, once the main rat is killed, or main loot taken SHOULD automatically despawn. Having peeps inside the 'plex shouldn't prevent this from happening.
So there is a window, albeit a small one, to prevent this farmer from jumping in. Do this a couple of times and if he blocks the 'plex, fair enough. If you get in before he does, you block him. Fair enough.
If he logs in and works the plex 23/7 - what can you do? You have a RL, he apparently doesn't.
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Armoured C
Globaltech Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 16:45:00 -
[58]
what a hilarious lolathread
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.05.29 16:57:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Let's not all beat around the bush... afk cloakers are designed to give a system the constant threat. And to be honest, that is fine... if you are at the computer,... [edited for whine] ...
but to walk away for the entire day, just says you are reaching for grief tactics. its not pvp, when half of the p's are not there. it's a grief tactic.
Griefing is when you play just to annoy specific people but gain nothing from it, for example, following a miner around and bumping him constantly when he's proven he's not going to be baited. AFK cloaking in an enemy system to deny them resources is not griefing, it's strategic play. The tears you've shed in this thread are proof that it works.
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LongHong Dong
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Posted - 2008.05.29 17:00:00 -
[60]
Edited by: LongHong Dong on 29/05/2008 17:00:12
I have 3 accounts and 2 of them use afk cloaking for intel.
Please do not nerf us.
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Jack Gilligan
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.29 17:05:00 -
[61]
Why not allow system scanners (the one you mount on a POS) to locate cloakers in system?
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RigelKentaurus
Flying Tartiflette
Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2008.05.29 17:13:00 -
[62]
Edited by: RigelKentaurus on 29/05/2008 17:13:43
Originally by: Hannobaal
removing local is the only logical solution.
It's not.
Another logical solution would be to remove only cloaked players from local (and maybe not allow them to see it either, at least for non cov ops ships).
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.05.29 20:04:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Mui Mui
We may look as if we're afk. We're not you know? I do agree that there are some afk cloakers....but what can ANYONE do to force them to decloak? They are not stealing your ore, macro mining, killing your rats etc. They just appear in local. That is ALL.
Is that really all? Why are they there then? Don't be so selfish and naive. You know damn well an afk cloaker can and does hinder operations in any system. They don't stop operations, they lessen operations... and by doing what? nothing. They lessen resources and cripple ops. Its gone as far as being 3-4 afk cloakers in one system, meaning at any given time they can choose targets at will and still provide fear 23/7. That is a flaw. And you fail in many ways. The only difference you are afraid of is being afk and getting decloaked by a cloaking nerf. Why does that bother you? If you are playing, you should be able to warp from safe to safe and continue on your system terror. No one takes that away from you. So stop whining about a cloaking nerf. It's gonna happen.
It's being exploited everywhere. And nothing you can do or say here is going to stop a nerf. Because in the end, when it comes down to the nuts and bolts of it all, you play this game. And griefers like you are accepted, and expected... but being a lazy one, just shows how lame you are. Whatever the nerf is to cloaks, it will stop those from being afk... and THAT is the big difference. No player in this game should have to defend against someone that choses not to even be there. That's a shame that you can't even comprehend that.
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LongHong Dong
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Posted - 2008.05.29 20:05:00 -
[64]
HIGH
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Mui Mui
Independent Pilots
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Posted - 2008.05.29 21:10:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
........meaning at any given time they can choose targets at will and still provide fear 23/7....
Provide FEAR?
Are you afraid?
Oh please.
You break my heart. If you're so scared, do something about it. Travel in groups FFS. MOVE to another system. Or ignore the cloakers.
YOU. Fail. To. Play. EVE.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.29 21:37:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Mui Mui
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
........meaning at any given time they can choose targets at will and still provide fear 23/7....
Provide FEAR?
Are you afraid?
Oh please.
You break my heart. If you're so scared, do something about it. Travel in groups FFS. MOVE to another system. Or ignore the cloakers.
YOU. Fail. To. Play. EVE.
At least the OP is ACTUALLY playing the game.
There is nothing you can REALLY do about an AFK cloaker. Thats the WHOLE point about AFK Cloaking. You do it long enough, say 6-8 hours, that no one in the game in their right mind will continue to attempt to deal with you. Anyone camping gates 1 system over waiting to rush in if you attack that bait ratter has long buggered off out of boredom.
However, there are two sides to this arguement. AFK cloaking is the ONLY way to work around the omni present intel tool that is local. I have AFK cloaked myself, to get 0.0 rat farmers. They are the ones that insta log or safe + cloak as soon as you enter local. AFK for a few hours, and while some might move systems, most will eventually just start ratting again, allowing you that ultra rare op to actually see one in a belt.
As long as there is local as it is, there will be AFK cloaking. Even if its only covop cloak ships. Nano rapier can tackle anyship long enough for friends to arive.
Originally by: Meridius Dex
I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.05.29 23:46:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Joe Starbreaker on 29/05/2008 23:46:02
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
They lessen resources and cripple ops. Its gone as far as being 3-4 afk cloakers in one system, meaning at any given time they can choose targets at will and still provide fear 23/7. That is a flaw. And you fail in many ways.
I like the way you worded this. You do indeed fail. And your failure is the success of the AFK cloaker. So, how can you deny that AFK cloaking is legitimate strategy?
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Paeniteo
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2008.05.30 00:13:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Shirley Serious
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Is there some truth to this rumor?
what rumour?
The one he just started, obvsly.
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Herring
Alcatraz Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2008.05.30 00:47:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Princess Jodi
Still the same stubborn two sides to this argument, I see.
Here's an example of how AFK cloaking is bad: I've seen a guy who EVERY DAY after DT logs in, scans a COSMOS Radar plex, runs it with his Ishtar in 5 min (its farmable/exploitable), then goes afk cloaked in the plex for the next 12 hours. At that time, he hands the plex off to a collegue in another corp who does the same thing. If you don't actively block the plex by AFK cloaking in it yourself, he despawns the plex when local is clear and looks for its instant respawn somewhere else in the constellation. Rise/Repeat all day for an estimated 2-4 bill isk per day.
Its been petitioned: CCP says its not at exploit at this time. You can't find a cloaked ship in the plex, and if we try to fight back he just blocks the plex for that whole day.
Now please explain to me how 'AFK cloakers are not a problem' again. I'd really like to know how I can stop this guy's AFK actions.
This right here is a good reason to revisit afk cloaking. There is nonstop farming going on and afk cloaking is one of the main tools used to do this.
At the very least put cloaking inhibitors inside all exploration plexes (especially cosmos). That way anyone who wants to can fight over them.
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Yorlock
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Posted - 2008.05.30 01:46:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Yorlock on 30/05/2008 01:48:27
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Cloakers I love... afk cloakers are quite lame.
I mean, be real... who in their right mind does this? what talent? what skill? what kind of person gets their rocks off by cloaking in a system and then taking the bus to junior high? no effort... there are no games where you can walk away and still be effective. Its a game, if you're not gonna sit and play, then go skateboard with your buddies and logoff.
I dont think an afk and IDLE ship that does nothing for 8-10 hours can be classified as 'effective'; you guys are just mad 'cause ya cant get a kill mail. I personally cant stand the perma cloaking raven farmers in 0.0, but nefing cloaks, especially cov-ops cloaks is bad idea and will hurt if not remove the roles of these ships entirely.
( and any sort of "I win" button for that efect is bad )
altho having the cloaks disabled in the cosmos plexes might be a good idea.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.05.30 03:26:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Mui Mui
Provide FEAR?
Are you afraid?
Oh please.
You break my heart. If you're so scared, do something about it. Travel in groups FFS. MOVE to another system. Or ignore the cloakers.
What's the point in doing something about it when they are not even there? We're the ones who deal with it, so obviously we make due, but since you have zero risk... what exactly do you have to deal with? nothing... so in the end when cloaking does get nerfed, you WILL finally have something to deal with. That is called giving you risk. Sounds like you're the one that will now be afraid when you can't leave your cloaked ship alone. Excuse me for making you actually play Eve.
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YOU. Fail. To. Play. EVE.
That's the most naive statement I have heard from you. LOL... I'm the one PLAYing Eve my friend. You're the one failing to keep yourself in front of the computer. You have more talents AFK then when you are actually playing. That's the truth. I hit the nail on the head. Your accomplishments are when you leave your computer... now that is something we can all be proud of.
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Grapez
Sky Net Industries
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.30 04:53:00 -
[72]
I like my idea here. |
ceyriot
Induseng Enterprises
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.30 05:23:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Nice attempt, but I fail.
Fixed for you mate.
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Mui Mui
Independent Pilots
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Posted - 2008.05.30 08:59:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
What's the point in doing something about it when they are not even there? ....
Pithy,
For crying out loud! If they're NOT there - they are not a problem.
Just 'cause someone in local is cloaked and does NOT answer your calls ('o7', 'o/' or whatever inane banter you attempt) - does this mean he is AFK and therefore need to be nerfed? That's what you're saying right?
His very presence, silent and brooding is causing you panic attacks! Just what does an AFK cloaker do to you? He doesn't steal your ore, or kill your rats or grab your loot or salvage. What does he or she do?
The cloaker (quoting you Pithy) '...lessen resources and cripple ops. Its gone as far as being 3-4 afk cloakers in one system, meaning at any given time they can choose targets at will and still provide fear 23/7.' (ending your quote, Pithy). Note the BOLD bit, how can someone AFK CHOOSE a target?
Now that sounds like an effective strategy by someone does it not? If the guy was not-AFK, by your very flawed logic, does this mean he will have to drop his cloak once or twice an hour and go 'BOO!' to ensure that you, precious Pithy, knows that this COVERT-OPERATIONS PILOT is actually, now OVERT? This sounds like he is packing an HONOUR-CLOAK: 'Decloaks automatically and sends a big HELLO to all them locals, just to re-assure them that, yes - covert-operations pilot 101 is at his keyboard and observing'.
I will agree 100% about the flaw with complex campers/runners who prevent the 'plex from de-spawning using an AFK cloaker. That is wrong. However, you want to whine about cloakers (AFK or otherwise) just because you're scared of one or two in your system.
Talk about being scared of your own shadow!
You should be more afraid of the ones who are not AFK, who are shadowing your ever move and who will pounce and kill you when you least expect it. That's who you need to be afraid of. But you know what, these chaps will be silent, quiet and very, very patient. Indeed, they may even appear to be AFK.....hmmmm, what to do Pithy? What to do?
It does sound to me that you want a particular system ALL to yourself, ratting or mining or whatever. Anyone unfamiliar comes into local and your FIRST reaction is to safe-spot. Fair enough. However, your FEAR of this unknown pilot, now cloaked and possibly behind-you prevents you from doing that lovely care-bear activity you were indulging in before his arrival. You wait and wait for this pilot to leave....but this pilot stays in local, silent and all-observant. You begin to get frustrated as well, you pay $ to play this game and this guy has the audacity to play it their way, preventing you from playing yours? OMG. You try to engage this pilot in chat but he refuses to answer - what has he to gain from it? He is there 23/7.....just like you. You try to bait him, in such an obvious and clumsy fashion that only a nub would fall for it. Instead you come back empty handed. You see him every day, like a shadow.
What gives you the right to mine or rat away in peace? This is New Eden you fool.
YOUR accomplishment is whining in the forums.
Oh, by the way - I don't AFK cloak. That's your faulty assumption. I log off in a safe-spot. Always. I do this to save power but not to save carebear tears.
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gavhriel
Killson Corp
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.30 09:56:00 -
[75]
i've seen a guy who did't log out of eve for more than a week ... :) cloaked in a system :P
that's mad skillz right there i tell you :)
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Mui Mui
Independent Pilots
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Posted - 2008.05.30 10:11:00 -
[76]
Originally by: gavhriel
i've seen a guy who did't log out of eve for more than a week ... :) cloaked in a system :P
that's mad skillz right there i tell you :)
He must have scared the be-jesus out of you! I hope it made you want to have a device that would instantly decloak this sneaky fellow and allow you to warp right to him!
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El'Niaga
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.30 10:50:00 -
[77]
If you want to have a counter to afk cloakers then have the devs reintroduce minefields.
Then folks in 0.0 who have sovereignty to at least level 1 can set up minefields in their space.
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White Ronin
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Posted - 2008.05.30 11:20:00 -
[78]
Edited by: White Ronin on 30/05/2008 11:25:14
Originally by: El'Niaga
If you want to have a counter to afk cloakers then have the devs reintroduce minefields.
Then folks in 0.0 who have sovereignty to at least level 1 can set up minefields in their space.
Nice idea. Require sov to place mines. Probably require the anchor skill also.
But a good idea none the less.
But if you do this then you should also introduce a minesweeper.
But great idea for defense and anti-cloaking.
Edit - just to add.
Not all cloakers are afk.
I explore deep space in a cloaked domi and often have to cloak for hours and once even 2 days cause people try to hunt us explorers down and kill us for some reason. I am set up for pve so pvp is out of the question so hiding is my best alternative.
No it is not perfect, i have been ganked twice. Once by a cruiser cause drones are oh-so-easy to destroy and I had no other means of fighting a nano'd stabber.
So no it is not just afk you are trying to nerf but everyone who uses cloaks in the game.
No thanks.
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Terazuk
Rogen's Heroes
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Posted - 2008.05.30 11:51:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
Originally by: Mui Mui
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
........meaning at any given time they can choose targets at will and still provide fear 23/7....
Provide FEAR?
Are you afraid?
Oh please.
You break my heart. If you're so scared, do something about it. Travel in groups FFS. MOVE to another system. Or ignore the cloakers.
YOU. Fail. To. Play. EVE.
However, there are two sides to this argument. AFK cloaking is the ONLY way to work around the omni present intel tool that is local.
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Ralara
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.05.30 11:57:00 -
[80]
I actually don't want cloaking nerfed but if it has to be why not do it through heat?
When you cloak your ship, it vanishes from sensors and scanning somehow. Every ship produces waste heat (I don't mean the thermodynamics skill here - I mean thermal energy) which it will radiate into space. By cloaking, presumably you have to mask this heat signature because otherwise it could be probed out.
So, why not make it, that when you cloak your ship, over the course of, say, 15 minutes or 30 minutes, you start to generate heat damage, like when you overload a module?
It would need to be very slow and very gradual (not the 1 minute it takes to overheat and destroy a module at the moment). In order to stop your fittings from going offline or being destroyed, every 15 minutes or <insert arbitrary number of minutes here> you need to decloak and apply thermal nanite paste to the affected modules, wait for them to cool and bit and then re-cloak.
Thoughts?
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5pinDizzy
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.05.30 12:16:00 -
[81]
Nullsec has hardly anywhere you can go to dock at, just a few stations in dangerous and contested npc zones, unless of course you're carebearing in a major alliance.
Safespotting and cloaking is about the only way you can go afk without being BBQ'd by passersby when deep in the middle of nullsec without having to log off.
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Strong Chin
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Posted - 2008.05.30 12:30:00 -
[82]
"When I was a young alien - growing up on my uncles spaceship, far away from this world - we would regularly have to dock up somewhere at bedtime. Or we'd have to force one of the other children to stay awake at night to safe-keep the ship. That was until uncle bought a cloaking device, now when we sleep we are sound in the knowledge that the ship is safe."
That was an excerpt from The memoirs of Gribb Fumble, an alien. I find it perfectly sums up this thread. Cloaking ALLOWS you to afk, to not afk cloak is to sh1t in the bathtub when you have a perfectly good toilet.
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.05.30 12:40:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Ralara
I actually don't want cloaking nerfed but if it has to be why not do it through heat?
When you cloak your ship, it vanishes from sensors and scanning somehow. Every ship produces waste heat (I don't mean the thermodynamics skill here - I mean thermal energy) which it will radiate into space. By cloaking, presumably you have to mask this heat signature because otherwise it could be probed out.
So, why not make it, that when you cloak your ship, over the course of, say, 15 minutes or 30 minutes, you start to generate heat damage, like when you overload a module?
It would need to be very slow and very gradual (not the 1 minute it takes to overheat and destroy a module at the moment). In order to stop your fittings from going offline or being destroyed, every 15 minutes or <insert arbitrary number of minutes here> you need to decloak and apply thermal nanite paste to the affected modules, wait for them to cool and bit and then re-cloak.
Thoughts?
Excellent idea, but I'd exempt purpose-built stealth ships such as covert ops, recons, and black ops, since their ship's power systems/hulls/etc were designed to handle the side effects of cloaking.
This would stop someone from sitting AFK for hours in a cloaked Raven.
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Manfred Rickenbocker
The Elliance
Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.05.30 15:00:00 -
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The reason AFK cloakers are seen as such a problem in nullsec is because alliance people see them in "their space" and annoyed for some inexplicable reason. If you really wanted the space, you'd occupy it and have players move in and actually make use of it. Want to ruin their day? Stick your own AFK cloaker in system and they'll never decloak. Or maybe they'll leave?
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Ghostthor
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.05.30 18:07:00 -
[85]
This thread delivers.
From the cloakers point of few, they are using this weapon to the best of their ability.
Honestly do you see a better option available to 3-4 guys that want to take on a massive alliance?
Or is the fact that a group of players have come together to make or take an outpost make them immune from others trying to attack them?
Eve is about equal opprotunity. Generally people in this game tend to complain when they reailize they can't grind away all day by themselves.
Let's see... To make an outpost you are required to work with other players, so, by that same logic why is it those being annoyed by cloaking piltos cannot organize themselves into defending against 1-2 pilots.
If you really cannot figure out how to rat in gangs, or bring security to mining ops, or learn how to set a good trap. Then honestly you don't belong in 0.0.
Yes, the cloaker has an advantage... But so does his target. The cloaker is the smaller party generally in groups of 1 or 2, hardly ever are they seen in numbers greater then this.
So are you really annoyed by their 'o so omni-feared' presence or is it that you are lazy, and canno tbe bothered to defened your own territory outside of fueling your POSES.
Just because you fuel the poses doesn't grant you the right to have complete control over your system.
Yes, I cloak. AFK cloaking is a stupid term. Because if you know your enemy is AFK then ignore them as if they weren't even there. If you know your enemy isn't at his/her keyboard what is stoping you from ratting or mining?
O but wait... You may go ratting, and boom... You die because that AFK cloaked enemy really wans't AFK like you thought...
Like other people have already said cloak is a mechanic for covert operations... Masking one's presence, ship type, wepaons being used, intention, gaming status, are all part of that masking, and cloaking was designed to further covert operations.
How much sense would it be if you knew there was a cloaker in the system, and furhter knew he was specifically in this belt waiting for you etc etc etc...
Play eve, work in groups, stop fretting over things that need not be fretted over.
-hOr
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Bleeshtar
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Posted - 2008.05.30 18:31:00 -
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Theres a boogie man under my bed....
No really look (nothing) ...
Damn cloakers.
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Segge Bolled
Rainy Day Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.30 18:32:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
removing local simply hides griefers more
Yes, curses upon all those people who want to blow you up - especially in 0.0 ...
Who exactly do they think they are? 
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OctavianS
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.05.30 18:40:00 -
[88]
Cloakers that live in hostile systems do not have as easy of a life as evryone thinks they do. We are constantly outnumbered, we must always be wary of ambushes.
Any player that actualy bothers to pvp for a little while can very easily put toghter a rating battleship that will murder most rapiers, curses or any other cloaking tackler. If you do not know how, ask others think outside the box work with your corp and alliance mates to find solutions, do not be whining on the forums.
If you come to 00 for "safe" rating and mining you are certanly not getting the concept behind 00 living.
Much like hostile contries infiltrate other countries with cov-op teams in real life and sabotage economies and military operations this is the eve equivalent. Do you also whine to god at night as to why we have "orange allert level"?
FLAME ON!!!!!
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LED R0BSTER
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Posted - 2008.05.30 19:24:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Eat a derek.
I suppose I could learn how at one of agony's courses ? :D
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Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.30 19:26:00 -
[90]
Originally by: LED R0BSTER
Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Eat a derek.
I suppose I could learn how at one of agony's courses ? :D
You may learn how to kill stuffs... a google of your name shows nothing but whorum foring. Unless this is your alt? In which case, everything you post means less than nothing.
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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LED R0BSTER
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Posted - 2008.05.30 19:34:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Originally by: LED R0BSTER
Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Eat a derek.
I suppose I could learn how at one of agony's courses ? :D
You may learn how to kill stuffs... a google of your name shows nothing but whorum foring. Unless this is your alt? In which case, everything you post means less than nothing.
Apparently my posts mean a lot, AND get to you or you wouldn't spend your personal time to look up my forum alt and respond to him. /me wins
I am the LED ROBSTER. All your starbase are belong to me. |
Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.30 19:37:00 -
[92]
Originally by: LED R0BSTER
Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Originally by: LED R0BSTER
Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Eat a derek.
I suppose I could learn how at one of agony's courses ? :D
You may learn how to kill stuffs... a google of your name shows nothing but whorum foring. Unless this is your alt? In which case, everything you post means less than nothing.
Apparently my posts mean a lot, AND get to you or you wouldn't spend your personal time to look up my forum alt and respond to him. /me wins
I have nothing better to do than whorum fore during the day; don't think you're special because I devote a few keystrokes to you. This thread should be ample proof of that.
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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LED R0BSTER
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Posted - 2008.05.30 19:39:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Originally by: LED R0BSTER
Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Originally by: LED R0BSTER
Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Eat a derek.
I suppose I could learn how at one of agony's courses ? :D
You may learn how to kill stuffs... a google of your name shows nothing but whorum foring. Unless this is your alt? In which case, everything you post means less than nothing.
Apparently my posts mean a lot, AND get to you or you wouldn't spend your personal time to look up my forum alt and respond to him. /me wins
I have nothing better to do than whorum fore during the day; don't think you're special because I devote a few keystrokes to you. This thread should be ample proof of that.
Hey at least "I" am getting paid for this as I'm doing this from work, whereas "YOU" are communicating from the dank depths of your parent's basement :)
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.05.30 19:40:00 -
[94]
The only "problem" with afk cloakers is it highlights over-reliance on local.
Exposing problems stirs people up, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.
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Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.30 19:45:00 -
[95]
Originally by: LED R0BSTER
Hey at least "I" am getting paid for this as I'm doing this from work, whereas "YOU" are communicating from the dank depths of your parent's basement :)
I'm sitting in my easy chair, in my living room, in the house I own, and YOU are paying for me to do that (assuming you work in the US). Thanks! 
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.05.30 21:41:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Mui Mui
For crying out loud! If they're NOT there - they are not a problem. (and more illogical stuff)
OMFG... are you that ********? Let me break it down to a 3rd grade level so you can understand. First, you have this massive attitude like there's no difference if the guy is playing cloaked or afk cloaked. The problem is... THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!
1. PLAYING... you are sitting down, looking at the computer, playing a game, clicking the mouse, having an interaction.
2. AFK... you are doing your homework, making dinner, rubbing the monkey, etc. etc... anything where you are NOT in front of the computer.
Eve is based on time consumption, if you put in the effort you get the rewards, and being afk is NOT an effort. The outcome is both the same... the cause and effect is both the same, however the cloaker is at no risk, yet you take so much from the system. And that, my Mui Little Friend, is deserving of YOU (the player) to actually be at the computer... PLAYING! Not fingering your friend's dog 3 blocks down the street.
Eve has a variety of effects that cause everyone to have to work at it, be at the computer, and monitor it. What gives you the right to not have to do that? The fact is you're whining about something you don't even do, and you don't even understand it's value to 0.0 and alliances. I'm for the terror cloaking squads! I'll tell you that again so you can get it... I'M ALL FOR CLOAKERS! But there is a flaw when a cloaker can walk away for 23 hrs and still do what he can accomplish if he was at the computer.
Cloaks are flawed, and you can even see it with complex exploits... yet you argue with me... LOL.
Good riddance, I'm done trying to make my point to a hard headed selfish person such as yourself.
May God help you.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.05.30 21:48:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Ghostthor
Honestly do you see a better option available to 3-4 guys that want to take on a massive alliance?
Exactly... no one is taking away your cloaks, we're just insuring that you and your 3-4 guys are actually there. If you are at the computer playing, why would you have a problem with a cloaking nerf? You can accomplish what you want, by just playing... correct?
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gavhriel
Killson Corp
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.30 21:50:00 -
[98]
yes but they want to be ninjas :D
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Mui Mui
Independent Pilots
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Posted - 2008.06.02 09:51:00 -
[99]
After a weekend break, had to see what was said in this thread...
Originally by: gavhriel
yes but they want to be ninjas :D
THIS.
Pithy's idea of a Ninja is one that becomes visible to him after a certain amount of time just to reassure him that Ninja01 IS at the keyboard.
If a pilot is AFK....he is AWAY FROM KEYBOARD and his presence does nothing to you Pithy apart from scare you. There is no difference in game play from a cloaked Covert-Ops pilot who is quiet and observing you and someone who is also cloaked and has fallen asleep or gone to have a shower or something.
No difference.
Pithy, you fail. As other posters have said, you need to learn how to travel in groups and be smarter instead of whining. There are some good ideas in this thread however, I like the increased heat output idea for the cloaking modules but none of these ideas came from you. I didn't suggest any as I think the current system is fine.
Can I say this one more time: there is no difference in the game play of an afk-cloaker (which I am not) and a covert-ops pilot who has orders to sit and observe and report back intelligence over a long period of time. And if it make the locals jumpy, all the more power to us. If it ****es off an alliance, so be it. If it scares carebears like Pithy, then so be it.
Finally,
Originally by: gavhriel
yes but they want to be ninjas :D
THIS.
Had to quote it again. Pwns you completely, Pithy.
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Xonkra
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Posted - 2008.06.02 10:13:00 -
[100]
Dooms.
Day.
Device.
Problem solved
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Reven Cordelle
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Posted - 2008.06.02 10:39:00 -
[101]
I don't really see why a cloaked ship is so damned dangerous. It can't do anything when its cloaked.. moreover its slow as hell unless its a Cov Ops frig, and they're not exactly heavy firepower now are they?
Why not just remove the player from local when he cloaks? No one can see him.. until he uncloaks, then he shows up in local...
Makes sense to me but i'm sure theres some reason thats "not fair".
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Evil RedEye
Three 6 MaFiA
Chains Of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:17:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Mui Mui
For crying out loud! If they're NOT there - they are not a problem. (and more illogical stuff)
OMFG... are you that ********?
How old are you? Seriously? Stop, read and take in what has been said. Because a lot of it is true. Also please consider this. If someone wants to pay the sub fee every month to sit 23/7 cloaked. Is that not their choice to make?
To me it seems that you are having issues with a cloaker that you assume is AFK. Maybe he's stopping you ratting or mining... who knows, but that's what it seems like to me. Answer? Deal with it. Carry on as normal but keep an eye on things a little more than you would normally and everything should be a-okay. There's absolutely no need for anti-cloaking devices to be brought in.
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