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Jack Gilligan Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:05:00 - [61] Why not allow system scanners (the one you mount on a POS) to locate cloakers in system? My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of my corporation or alliance.
RigelKentaurus Flying Tartiflette Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:13:00 - [62] Edited by: RigelKentaurus on 29/05/2008 17:13:43 Originally by: Hannobaal removing local is the only logical solution. It's not. Another logical solution would be to remove only cloaked players from local (and maybe not allow them to see it either, at least for non cov ops ships). _________ Someday, EVE may look like this.
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.05.29 20:04:00 - [63] Originally by: Mui Mui We may look as if we're afk. We're not you know? I do agree that there are some afk cloakers....but what can ANYONE do to force them to decloak? They are not stealing your ore, macro mining, killing your rats etc. They just appear in local. That is ALL. Is that really all? Why are they there then? Don't be so selfish and naive. You know damn well an afk cloaker can and does hinder operations in any system. They don't stop operations, they lessen operations... and by doing what? nothing. They lessen resources and cripple ops. Its gone as far as being 3-4 afk cloakers in one system, meaning at any given time they can choose targets at will and still provide fear 23/7. That is a flaw. And you fail in many ways. The only difference you are afraid of is being afk and getting decloaked by a cloaking nerf. Why does that bother you? If you are playing, you should be able to warp from safe to safe and continue on your system terror. No one takes that away from you. So stop whining about a cloaking nerf. It's gonna happen. It's being exploited everywhere. And nothing you can do or say here is going to stop a nerf. Because in the end, when it comes down to the nuts and bolts of it all, you play this game. And griefers like you are accepted, and expected... but being a lazy one, just shows how lame you are. Whatever the nerf is to cloaks, it will stop those from being afk... and THAT is the big difference. No player in this game should have to defend against someone that choses not to even be there. That's a shame that you can't even comprehend that. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
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Mui Mui Independent Pilots	Posted - 2008.05.29 21:10:00 - [65] Originally by: Pithecanthropus ........meaning at any given time they can choose targets at will and still provide fear 23/7.... Provide FEAR? Are you afraid? Oh please. You break my heart. If you're so scared, do something about it. Travel in groups FFS. MOVE to another system. Or ignore the cloakers. YOU. Fail. To. Play. EVE.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.29 21:37:00 - [66] Originally by: Mui Mui Originally by: Pithecanthropus ........meaning at any given time they can choose targets at will and still provide fear 23/7.... Provide FEAR? Are you afraid? Oh please. You break my heart. If you're so scared, do something about it. Travel in groups FFS. MOVE to another system. Or ignore the cloakers. YOU. Fail. To. Play. EVE. At least the OP is ACTUALLY playing the game. There is nothing you can REALLY do about an AFK cloaker. Thats the WHOLE point about AFK Cloaking. You do it long enough, say 6-8 hours, that no one in the game in their right mind will continue to attempt to deal with you. Anyone camping gates 1 system over waiting to rush in if you attack that bait ratter has long buggered off out of boredom. However, there are two sides to this arguement. AFK cloaking is the ONLY way to work around the omni present intel tool that is local. I have AFK cloaked myself, to get 0.0 rat farmers. They are the ones that insta log or safe + cloak as soon as you enter local. AFK for a few hours, and while some might move systems, most will eventually just start ratting again, allowing you that ultra rare op to actually see one in a belt. As long as there is local as it is, there will be AFK cloaking. Even if its only covop cloak ships. Nano rapier can tackle anyship long enough for friends to arive. Originally by: Meridius Dex I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.29 23:46:00 - [67] Edited by: Joe Starbreaker on 29/05/2008 23:46:02 Originally by: Pithecanthropus They lessen resources and cripple ops. Its gone as far as being 3-4 afk cloakers in one system, meaning at any given time they can choose targets at will and still provide fear 23/7. That is a flaw. And you fail in many ways. I like the way you worded this. You do indeed fail. And your failure is the success of the AFK cloaker. So, how can you deny that AFK cloaking is legitimate strategy? ---------------- [insert signature here]
Paeniteo Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.05.30 00:13:00 - [68] Originally by: Shirley Serious Originally by: Pithecanthropus Is there some truth to this rumor? what rumour? The one he just started, obvsly.
Herring Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2008.05.30 00:47:00 - [69] Originally by: Princess Jodi Still the same stubborn two sides to this argument, I see. Here's an example of how AFK cloaking is bad: I've seen a guy who EVERY DAY after DT logs in, scans a COSMOS Radar plex, runs it with his Ishtar in 5 min (its farmable/exploitable), then goes afk cloaked in the plex for the next 12 hours. At that time, he hands the plex off to a collegue in another corp who does the same thing. If you don't actively block the plex by AFK cloaking in it yourself, he despawns the plex when local is clear and looks for its instant respawn somewhere else in the constellation. Rise/Repeat all day for an estimated 2-4 bill isk per day. Its been petitioned: CCP says its not at exploit at this time. You can't find a cloaked ship in the plex, and if we try to fight back he just blocks the plex for that whole day. Now please explain to me how 'AFK cloakers are not a problem' again. I'd really like to know how I can stop this guy's AFK actions. This right here is a good reason to revisit afk cloaking. There is nonstop farming going on and afk cloaking is one of the main tools used to do this. At the very least put cloaking inhibitors inside all exploration plexes (especially cosmos). That way anyone who wants to can fight over them. Boost patch...nerfs: 1) faction passive shield resistance amplifiers, 2) exploration radar sites, 3) faction co-processors
Yorlock	Posted - 2008.05.30 01:46:00 - [70] Edited by: Yorlock on 30/05/2008 01:48:27 Originally by: Pithecanthropus Cloakers I love... afk cloakers are quite lame. I mean, be real... who in their right mind does this? what talent? what skill? what kind of person gets their rocks off by cloaking in a system and then taking the bus to junior high? no effort... there are no games where you can walk away and still be effective. Its a game, if you're not gonna sit and play, then go skateboard with your buddies and logoff. I dont think an afk and IDLE ship that does nothing for 8-10 hours can be classified as 'effective'; you guys are just mad 'cause ya cant get a kill mail. I personally cant stand the perma cloaking raven farmers in 0.0, but nefing cloaks, especially cov-ops cloaks is bad idea and will hurt if not remove the roles of these ships entirely. ( and any sort of "I win" button for that efect is bad ) altho having the cloaks disabled in the cosmos plexes might be a good idea.
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.05.30 03:26:00 - [71] Originally by: Mui Mui Provide FEAR? Are you afraid? Oh please. You break my heart. If you're so scared, do something about it. Travel in groups FFS. MOVE to another system. Or ignore the cloakers. What's the point in doing something about it when they are not even there? We're the ones who deal with it, so obviously we make due, but since you have zero risk... what exactly do you have to deal with? nothing... so in the end when cloaking does get nerfed, you WILL finally have something to deal with. That is called giving you risk. Sounds like you're the one that will now be afraid when you can't leave your cloaked ship alone. Excuse me for making you actually play Eve. Quote: YOU. Fail. To. Play. EVE. That's the most naive statement I have heard from you. LOL... I'm the one PLAYing Eve my friend. You're the one failing to keep yourself in front of the computer. You have more talents AFK then when you are actually playing. That's the truth. I hit the nail on the head. Your accomplishments are when you leave your computer... now that is something we can all be proud of. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Grapez Sky Net Industries Pure.	Posted - 2008.05.30 04:53:00 - [72] I like my idea here.
ceyriot Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.30 05:23:00 - [73] Originally by: Pithecanthropus Nice attempt, but I fail. Fixed for you mate. Faction Store - Killboard
Mui Mui Independent Pilots	Posted - 2008.05.30 08:59:00 - [74] Originally by: Pithecanthropus What's the point in doing something about it when they are not even there? .... Pithy, For crying out loud! If they're NOT there - they are not a problem. Just 'cause someone in local is cloaked and does NOT answer your calls ('o7', 'o/' or whatever inane banter you attempt) - does this mean he is AFK and therefore need to be nerfed? That's what you're saying right? His very presence, silent and brooding is causing you panic attacks! Just what does an AFK cloaker do to you? He doesn't steal your ore, or kill your rats or grab your loot or salvage. What does he or she do? The cloaker (quoting you Pithy) '...lessen resources and cripple ops. Its gone as far as being 3-4 afk cloakers in one system, meaning at any given time they can choose targets at will and still provide fear 23/7.' (ending your quote, Pithy). Note the BOLD bit, how can someone AFK CHOOSE a target? Now that sounds like an effective strategy by someone does it not? If the guy was not-AFK, by your very flawed logic, does this mean he will have to drop his cloak once or twice an hour and go 'BOO!' to ensure that you, precious Pithy, knows that this COVERT-OPERATIONS PILOT is actually, now OVERT? This sounds like he is packing an HONOUR-CLOAK: 'Decloaks automatically and sends a big HELLO to all them locals, just to re-assure them that, yes - covert-operations pilot 101 is at his keyboard and observing'. I will agree 100% about the flaw with complex campers/runners who prevent the 'plex from de-spawning using an AFK cloaker. That is wrong. However, you want to whine about cloakers (AFK or otherwise) just because you're scared of one or two in your system. Talk about being scared of your own shadow! You should be more afraid of the ones who are not AFK, who are shadowing your ever move and who will pounce and kill you when you least expect it. That's who you need to be afraid of. But you know what, these chaps will be silent, quiet and very, very patient. Indeed, they may even appear to be AFK.....hmmmm, what to do Pithy? What to do? It does sound to me that you want a particular system ALL to yourself, ratting or mining or whatever. Anyone unfamiliar comes into local and your FIRST reaction is to safe-spot. Fair enough. However, your FEAR of this unknown pilot, now cloaked and possibly behind-you prevents you from doing that lovely care-bear activity you were indulging in before his arrival. You wait and wait for this pilot to leave....but this pilot stays in local, silent and all-observant. You begin to get frustrated as well, you pay $ to play this game and this guy has the audacity to play it their way, preventing you from playing yours? OMG. You try to engage this pilot in chat but he refuses to answer - what has he to gain from it? He is there 23/7.....just like you. You try to bait him, in such an obvious and clumsy fashion that only a nub would fall for it. Instead you come back empty handed. You see him every day, like a shadow. What gives you the right to mine or rat away in peace? This is New Eden you fool. YOUR accomplishment is whining in the forums. Oh, by the way - I don't AFK cloak. That's your faulty assumption. I log off in a safe-spot. Always. I do this to save power but not to save carebear tears.
gavhriel Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.30 09:56:00 - [75] i've seen a guy who did't log out of eve for more than a week ... :) cloaked in a system :P that's mad skillz right there i tell you :)
Mui Mui Independent Pilots	Posted - 2008.05.30 10:11:00 - [76] Originally by: gavhriel i've seen a guy who did't log out of eve for more than a week ... :) cloaked in a system :P that's mad skillz right there i tell you :) He must have scared the be-jesus out of you! I hope it made you want to have a device that would instantly decloak this sneaky fellow and allow you to warp right to him!
El'Niaga Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.30 10:50:00 - [77] If you want to have a counter to afk cloakers then have the devs reintroduce minefields. Then folks in 0.0 who have sovereignty to at least level 1 can set up minefields in their space.
White Ronin	Posted - 2008.05.30 11:20:00 - [78] Edited by: White Ronin on 30/05/2008 11:25:14 Originally by: El'Niaga If you want to have a counter to afk cloakers then have the devs reintroduce minefields. Then folks in 0.0 who have sovereignty to at least level 1 can set up minefields in their space. Nice idea. Require sov to place mines. Probably require the anchor skill also. But a good idea none the less. But if you do this then you should also introduce a minesweeper. But great idea for defense and anti-cloaking. Edit - just to add. Not all cloakers are afk. I explore deep space in a cloaked domi and often have to cloak for hours and once even 2 days cause people try to hunt us explorers down and kill us for some reason. I am set up for pve so pvp is out of the question so hiding is my best alternative. No it is not perfect, i have been ganked twice. Once by a cruiser cause drones are oh-so-easy to destroy and I had no other means of fighting a nano'd stabber. So no it is not just afk you are trying to nerf but everyone who uses cloaks in the game. No thanks.
Terazuk Rogen's Heroes	Posted - 2008.05.30 11:51:00 - [79] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Originally by: Mui Mui Originally by: Pithecanthropus ........meaning at any given time they can choose targets at will and still provide fear 23/7.... Provide FEAR? Are you afraid? Oh please. You break my heart. If you're so scared, do something about it. Travel in groups FFS. MOVE to another system. Or ignore the cloakers. YOU. Fail. To. Play. EVE. However, there are two sides to this argument. AFK cloaking is the ONLY way to work around the omni present intel tool that is local.
Ralara D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.30 11:57:00 - [80] I actually don't want cloaking nerfed but if it has to be why not do it through heat? When you cloak your ship, it vanishes from sensors and scanning somehow. Every ship produces waste heat (I don't mean the thermodynamics skill here - I mean thermal energy) which it will radiate into space. By cloaking, presumably you have to mask this heat signature because otherwise it could be probed out. So, why not make it, that when you cloak your ship, over the course of, say, 15 minutes or 30 minutes, you start to generate heat damage, like when you overload a module? It would need to be very slow and very gradual (not the 1 minute it takes to overheat and destroy a module at the moment). In order to stop your fittings from going offline or being destroyed, every 15 minutes or <insert arbitrary number of minutes here> you need to decloak and apply thermal nanite paste to the affected modules, wait for them to cool and bit and then re-cloak. Thoughts? --
5pinDizzy Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.30 12:16:00 - [81] Nullsec has hardly anywhere you can go to dock at, just a few stations in dangerous and contested npc zones, unless of course you're carebearing in a major alliance. Safespotting and cloaking is about the only way you can go afk without being BBQ'd by passersby when deep in the middle of nullsec without having to log off.
Strong Chin	Posted - 2008.05.30 12:30:00 - [82] "When I was a young alien - growing up on my uncles spaceship, far away from this world - we would regularly have to dock up somewhere at bedtime. Or we'd have to force one of the other children to stay awake at night to safe-keep the ship. That was until uncle bought a cloaking device, now when we sleep we are sound in the knowledge that the ship is safe." That was an excerpt from The memoirs of Gribb Fumble, an alien. I find it perfectly sums up this thread. Cloaking ALLOWS you to afk, to not afk cloak is to sh1t in the bathtub when you have a perfectly good toilet.
Jakke Logan F Off And Die	Posted - 2008.05.30 12:40:00 - [83] Originally by: Ralara I actually don't want cloaking nerfed but if it has to be why not do it through heat? When you cloak your ship, it vanishes from sensors and scanning somehow. Every ship produces waste heat (I don't mean the thermodynamics skill here - I mean thermal energy) which it will radiate into space. By cloaking, presumably you have to mask this heat signature because otherwise it could be probed out. So, why not make it, that when you cloak your ship, over the course of, say, 15 minutes or 30 minutes, you start to generate heat damage, like when you overload a module? It would need to be very slow and very gradual (not the 1 minute it takes to overheat and destroy a module at the moment). In order to stop your fittings from going offline or being destroyed, every 15 minutes or <insert arbitrary number of minutes here> you need to decloak and apply thermal nanite paste to the affected modules, wait for them to cool and bit and then re-cloak. Thoughts? Excellent idea, but I'd exempt purpose-built stealth ships such as covert ops, recons, and black ops, since their ship's power systems/hulls/etc were designed to handle the side effects of cloaking. This would stop someone from sitting AFK for hours in a cloaked Raven.
Manfred Rickenbocker The Elliance Delta.Green	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:00:00 - [84] The reason AFK cloakers are seen as such a problem in nullsec is because alliance people see them in "their space" and annoyed for some inexplicable reason. If you really wanted the space, you'd occupy it and have players move in and actually make use of it. Want to ruin their day? Stick your own AFK cloaker in system and they'll never decloak. Or maybe they'll leave? ------------------------ Peace through superior firepower: a guiding principle for uncertain times.
Ghostthor Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:07:00 - [85] This thread delivers. From the cloakers point of few, they are using this weapon to the best of their ability. Honestly do you see a better option available to 3-4 guys that want to take on a massive alliance? Or is the fact that a group of players have come together to make or take an outpost make them immune from others trying to attack them? Eve is about equal opprotunity. Generally people in this game tend to complain when they reailize they can't grind away all day by themselves. Let's see... To make an outpost you are required to work with other players, so, by that same logic why is it those being annoyed by cloaking piltos cannot organize themselves into defending against 1-2 pilots. If you really cannot figure out how to rat in gangs, or bring security to mining ops, or learn how to set a good trap. Then honestly you don't belong in 0.0. Yes, the cloaker has an advantage... But so does his target. The cloaker is the smaller party generally in groups of 1 or 2, hardly ever are they seen in numbers greater then this. So are you really annoyed by their 'o so omni-feared' presence or is it that you are lazy, and canno tbe bothered to defened your own territory outside of fueling your POSES. Just because you fuel the poses doesn't grant you the right to have complete control over your system. Yes, I cloak. AFK cloaking is a stupid term. Because if you know your enemy is AFK then ignore them as if they weren't even there. If you know your enemy isn't at his/her keyboard what is stoping you from ratting or mining? O but wait... You may go ratting, and boom... You die because that AFK cloaked enemy really wans't AFK like you thought... Like other people have already said cloak is a mechanic for covert operations... Masking one's presence, ship type, wepaons being used, intention, gaming status, are all part of that masking, and cloaking was designed to further covert operations. How much sense would it be if you knew there was a cloaker in the system, and furhter knew he was specifically in this belt waiting for you etc etc etc... Play eve, work in groups, stop fretting over things that need not be fretted over. -hOr
Bleeshtar	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:31:00 - [86] Theres a boogie man under my bed.... No really look (nothing) ... Damn cloakers.
Segge Bolled Rainy Day Industries	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:32:00 - [87] Originally by: Pithecanthropus removing local simply hides griefers more Yes, curses upon all those people who want to blow you up - especially in 0.0 ... Who exactly do they think they are? ...
OctavianS Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:40:00 - [88] Cloakers that live in hostile systems do not have as easy of a life as evryone thinks they do. We are constantly outnumbered, we must always be wary of ambushes. Any player that actualy bothers to pvp for a little while can very easily put toghter a rating battleship that will murder most rapiers, curses or any other cloaking tackler. If you do not know how, ask others think outside the box work with your corp and alliance mates to find solutions, do not be whining on the forums. If you come to 00 for "safe" rating and mining you are certanly not getting the concept behind 00 living. Much like hostile contries infiltrate other countries with cov-op teams in real life and sabotage economies and military operations this is the eve equivalent. Do you also whine to god at night as to why we have "orange allert level"? FLAME ON!!!!!
LED R0BSTER	Posted - 2008.05.30 19:24:00 - [89] Originally by: Beef Hardslab Eat a derek. I suppose I could learn how at one of agony's courses ? :D I am the LED ROBSTER. All your starbase are belong to me.
Beef Hardslab Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.05.30 19:26:00 - [90] Originally by: LED R0BSTER Originally by: Beef Hardslab Eat a derek. I suppose I could learn how at one of agony's courses ? :D You may learn how to kill stuffs... a google of your name shows nothing but whorum foring. Unless this is your alt? In which case, everything you post means less than nothing. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve: Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.

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