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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2004.05.05 15:49:00 -
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The entire thing would probably need a whole load of work, not only in actually writting up the stuff (least of the
problem imho) but actually the creation of the framework to house the entire thing. As soon as a framework site was made which allowed for easy entering of information Id image the entire thing would get filled up soon enough. A suitable host would ofcourse be required to make sure people would actually find it and read it (Perhaps Eve Guardian would be interested, and if it was done well enough I could even imagine CCP making it a part of their site)
All in all it would be like a huge online library of all thats happened in Eve, and basically contain the entire history of
whats transpired so far, containing the player made history and events that we helped shape. (And I could imagine it to be quite a good read)
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2004.05.05 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Temujin Destovai on 05/05/2004 15:54:52
Ok first off I know there have been several attempts at actually recording the history of Eve "into Sagas" and the like, (Bared actually has a thread atm where he asks CCP for something but since this is a bit different I decided to make a own thread) which never really went anywhere, but I guess I'll give this a try anyway.
Yesterday I got to thinking about how there have been so many important and not so important events in the history of Eve that its a shame that we havent actually bound them all in one place. In general a place that on the one hand newer players can read up on how todays alliances came to be, and on the other hand a place for those RP nuts, Politic nuts, or just Pvp nuts to capture what has gone down in Eve so far for later reading. I mean when I started with Eve back in beta the first thing I did was go through all the various POTWs and background stories and found them quite entertaining, yet sadly they have little relevance on what really goes down in Eve. I find it much more interesting to read player made history and Events, and I can imagine for new people coming into the game stories of old might be quite interesting (and insightfull)
What I was thinking of was a general timeline of Eve which has all the big or memorable Events on it aka:
m0o slaughter in Mara Passari
Founding of Stain alliance in Stain
Oracle and Pie start off the epic Minnmatar vs Amarr Struggle
Cornexant build first player owned battleship (or whoever did)
RUS scores first memorable kills vs m0o
TTI and Evol war Kick off
Operation Phoenix Maw and the Creation of the Fountain alliance
Miner II Scandal
The Venal alliance is born
Venal vs Fountain War
RUS vs Stain War / Fountain War
Splitt of the Venal Alliance / Ensuiing Civil War begins
Sinister moves to Curse
The ensuing new Curse alliance vs SA and FA
Evol leave FA and goes to war against Curse
etc etc etc
(lots and lots of stuff missing especially the newer stuff and very old stuff, like old beta stories e.g. Original Omega Corp vs Xanadu and Evol fights, Stavros's trade run traps and other amusing annecdotes)
Which is then complimented by stories of Individual corporations and alliances.
Examples would be:
m3g4 corp camping obe, later on biomass, forging of forsaken empire as alliance and later on unified corp etc
or "The Rise, Fall and Rebirth of TTI" which would basically go from creation, to various early beta / retail scandals, its later on enourmous size and economic power, the nibelungen miner scandal, its blackpainting by going limp & co, its moving back to venal, its declaration as pirate corp and the makings of ragnars magic hat, the Fa attacks, the shocking decision not to honour the vote and following venal splitt, the nva vs (northern whatever they were called), ragnars depature leaving behind war torn and nearly memberless taggart, gunnyp's succesion, declaration of neutrality and move to aridia, rebuilding and coming back to strength, joining the c4, current state.
or the minmatar vs amarr conflict with creation of pie, creation of oracle, the peoples front of minmatar, matari backbone, dark seraph etc (and various developments over time which im not so well versed on)
These would be stored as histories of the different corporations which would additionally be segmented into time frames. The description of the major events in main timeline of Eve (depending on what part you were reading would have hyperlinks to the involved corps at appropriate point of time for supplementary / deeper reading from the various corps perspective that were involved in the event)
For example you want to find out more about the First Venal war. So on the main timeline you would click "Venal War" and there would be the story of the Venal war written by people who had good knowledge of that time period. To supplement the article there would have links on the names of the involved parties aka. clicking on TTI during the course of the report would bring you to Corporate story line section of TTI at the time of the Venal war, while clicking on m3g4, Space Invaders, Xanadu, etc would take you to theirs respective corporation history once again with appropriate timeframe. This would showing the different interests, and aspects of the conflict, once from a totally objective viewpoint and then viewed from the different participants.
In addition any rememberable threads (diplomatic announcements etc) could be linked to, so that readers can get a feel for what transpired back then and those that were there can live through a bit of deja vu.
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2004.05.05 16:01:00 -
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Temujin, have a word to Riddari about this, he's been working on some eve history for a while now. I'm sure he'll see this post tho and spam it like normal :)
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Raytesh
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Posted - 2004.05.05 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Raytesh on 05/05/2004 16:03:52
This is a good idea because it will give a good base for the newer players to look at. Some of us have put large portions of our lives into this game and we should record what goes on from the beginning. Other memorable events that CCP remembers quite well was the role back of the game 3 days when everyone was exploiting the convoy bug. At the time it wasnt a bug but the convoys and the sentry guns would not attack you or if they did there weapons were weak enough they wouldnt really do a lot of damage. (even to a velator  ) I would support this idea with the knowledge i have since the game began.
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2004.05.05 20:26:00 -
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Ya I saw Riddari was going to do something like this, I just thought id draw out a framework of how it could be accomplished. Justs needs to be created and I'd imagine it would get filled up soon enough.
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2004.05.05 20:49:00 -
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Very good idea, but it needs someone with creative writing skills so the history of eve could be recorded like a story not just x kills y, z kills x.
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Raytesh
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Posted - 2004.05.05 21:00:00 -
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A lot of the history i know of is a lot of story based stuff. Sure you mix kills in there but you dont put exact numbers because only ccp could find them out..... So we write it out like a bit of a story like PIE and oracle fighting before they joined alliances... Things like that the fall of Venal, the formation of hte NVA, the fall of hte NVA, NAST formation. There are loads of things that could be mentioned. The history goes quite deep.
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.05.05 21:09:00 -
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*m0o recruits two young pilots from 'Phoenix Rising corp' who go by the names of The Reverend and Zapp.
*m0o become the first corp to pod a GM and we even posted a screen shot of it ;-) CCP soon made it clear any agressive actions towards a GM would result in a ban. We still have the corpse...
*Zap saves The Reverends life.
*m0o slaughter in Mara/Passari where CCP decide to put an end to our blockade. GM's masquerading as DED special forces arrive in Concord battleships, claiming to utilise the same weapon upgrade stacking as m0o did. They killed The Reverend ;-)
*About this time m0o claims the first battleship kill in EVE, a Cornexant Scorpion unless my memory fails me.
*Zap saves The Reverends life again.
*At this point I could list sevral large fights we had with many of the major corps in EVE (we never lost either) Everlasting Vendetta, Evolution, Fenix Alliance, plus many of what would become the large alliances.
*m0o destroys Grikl's Imperial Apocalypse during a fleet battle in DSS
*m0o invades Fountain and destroys in the region of 120 battleships in 2 weeks.
*m0o invades Period Basis region destroying the newly formed DSMA (?) alliance. After much succesful extortion and killing an estimated 30 battleships in 30 minutes the now defunct DSMA alliance decide to leave. m0o are now the proud new owners of a region containing factories, a refinery and bistot. m0o make a deal with Techell who agree to purchase Period Basis for 1.5 billion isk (pretty cheap by all accounts)
*m0o declares war on mewling CA carebears. Still ongoing.
*m0o destroys Thyraxx's Gold Magnate in A2-V27. Such a pretty ship, such a pretty explosion.
*Yet again Zap saves The Reverends life :D
Just a few things we have been involved in, there are undoubtedly many I have missed.
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2004.05.05 21:10:00 -
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I fondly remember ninja mining Ark in Aufay in a Velator.
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2004.05.05 21:26:00 -
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Well there are two ways I can see the stories themselves strucuted:
#1) Either they are purely IC, and tell the entire events like a POTW giving the entire thing a heavy RP flair, while keeping to the facts of what really happened. This makes the entire story a lot more interesting to read, and fits in very well with the official Eve story line. Considering there was recently a POTW about the forums the wars on these can be refered to as such, and just because the report is IC doesnt mean it cant be factual.
#2) It is written as if it was IC, aka as a story but is not strictly IC. Here various OOC references can be made, and the structure is a bit more loose. This makes easier to often portray events that are not as easily explainable IC and doesnt require every submission to be as heavily modded to fit the standards. It would also make transgression between telling the history and actual links to the forums easier since a lot of the Corp forum stuff is OOC.
Overall it would definitally be in the form of a told history and not just statistiks and rough descirptions of accomplishments like Zap just posted. That kind of data would need to be proccessed into paragraphed form and then implemented.
I would imagine the step 1 of the project would be the assembly of massive statistical data like the above, upon which the history can be based. Although as said before, if the framework for the project stood (and people were found willing to organize and take of it) I doubt there would be a lack of submissions. 
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.05.05 21:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Temujin Destovai
Well there are two ways I can see the stories themselves strucuted:
#1) Either they are purely IC, and tell the entire events like a POTW giving the entire thing a heavy RP flair, while keeping to the facts of what really happened. This makes the entire story a lot more interesting to read, and fits in very well with the official Eve story line. Considering there was recently a POTW about the forums the wars on these can be refered to as such, and just because the report is IC doesnt mean it cant be factual.
#2) It is written as if it was IC, aka as a story but is not strictly IC. Here various OOC references can be made, and the structure is a bit more loose. This makes easier to often portray events that are not as easily explainable IC and doesnt require every submission to be as heavily modded to fit the standards. It would also make transgression between telling the history and actual links to the forums easier since a lot of the Corp forum stuff is OOC.
Overall it would definitally be in the form of a told history and not just statistiks and rough descirptions of accomplishments like Zap just posted. That kind of data would need to be proccessed into paragraphed form and then implemented.
I would imagine the step 1 of the project would be the assembly of massive statistical data like the above, upon which the history can be based. Although as said before, if the framework for the project stood (and people were found willing to organize and take of it) I doubt there would be a lack of submissions.
Yeah Temujin, I was just posting a few things m0o corp has been involved in as an example. I would imagine many corps in EVE have important events to tell whether they be related to combat or commerce, but whatever the tale they would have to be told in such a fashion as to make them interesting. Perhaps retelling in the form of rp would make it the most palatable as you suggest.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.05.05 21:39:00 -
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I agree that some sort of framework needs to be created. EVE Guardian might indeed be a good partner for that.
As for the Fountain saga, I'm still continuing with it and will most likely be bugging quite a few people *very* soon to get more feedback.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.05.05 21:45:00 -
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i got a story to.
*NOINT is created.
To be continued...
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.05.05 21:46:00 -
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A brilliant idea.
BTW Riddari, I may still have the log of the first meeting of ceo's in fountain, which I "chaired" for lack of a better term. Where the initial framework of what would become the FA was layed out for the first time. (Despite Mars Volta's best efforts  ) If you're interested I'll see if I can dig it up.
Don't think anyones used ffc chan for ages :)
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.05.05 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: ProphetGuru
BTW Riddari, I may still have the log of the first meeting of ceo's in fountain, which I "chaired" for lack of a better term. Where the initial framework of what would become the FA was layed out for the first time. (Despite Mars Volta's best efforts ) If you're interested I'll see if I can dig it up.
Don't think anyones used ffc chan for ages :)
Yeah would be appreciated, I can send you my e-mail in evemail when you have something nice.
Anyone else that has something they think will benefit the Fountain Saga please to get in touch.
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Sun Sliver
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Posted - 2004.05.06 04:28:00 -
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Man this is the kind of stuff new players would really dig. I know all the NPC events are cool but player history and ongoing news articles would be an excellent addition, props to you guys who are already working on it, just hope nobody ruins it with flames, gonna be hard to make an unbiased accounting but hell i'd even chip in a couple RL bucks to the guys who actually put it together 
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Revolution
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Posted - 2004.05.06 05:04:00 -
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theres a cool thread going in our private forums atm about the history of our corp including the wars with EC & Raid, the creation of Talon, the battle with foundation, with chat logs and all, someone hassle Molle for it :P:P
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The Reverend
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Posted - 2004.05.06 05:54:00 -
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I have been working on a vid history of m0o's history, but due to current workload atm, its not got very far, but be happy to share my notes on that and other events I've collected, including saving Zaps life many times 
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.05.06 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Zap
*m0o recruits two young pilots from 'Phoenix Rising corp' who go by the names of The Reverend and Zapp.
*m0o become the first corp to pod a GM and we even posted a screen shot of it ;-) CCP soon made it clear any agressive actions towards a GM would result in a ban. We still have the corpse...
*Zap saves The Reverends life.
*m0o slaughter in Mara/Passari where CCP decide to put an end to our blockade. GM's masquerading as DED special forces arrive in Concord battleships, claiming to utilise the same weapon upgrade stacking as m0o did. They killed The Reverend ;-)
*About this time m0o claims the first battleship kill in EVE, a Cornexant Scorpion unless my memory fails me.
*Zap saves The Reverends life again.
*At this point I could list sevral large fights we had with many of the major corps in EVE (we never lost either) Everlasting Vendetta, Evolution, Fenix Alliance, plus many of what would become the large alliances.
*m0o destroys Grikl's Imperial Apocalypse during a fleet battle in DSS
*m0o invades Fountain and destroys in the region of 120 battleships in 2 weeks.
*m0o invades Period Basis region destroying the newly formed DSMA (?) alliance. After much succesful extortion and killing an estimated 30 battleships in 30 minutes the now defunct DSMA alliance decide to leave. m0o are now the proud new owners of a region containing factories, a refinery and bistot. m0o make a deal with Techell who agree to purchase Period Basis for 1.5 billion isk (pretty cheap by all accounts)
*m0o declares war on mewling CA carebears. Still ongoing.
*m0o destroys Thyraxx's Gold Magnate in A2-V27. Such a pretty ship, such a pretty explosion.
*Yet again Zap saves The Reverends life :D
Just a few things we have been involved in, there are undoubtedly many I have missed.
If you want to add something, do it with dates so it could be weaved in the total picture.
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Lliandra
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Posted - 2004.05.06 06:53:00 -
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If you want, I would be willing to set up part of my website to handle the input / display of the history. I could even set up a nice XML feed for other websites to request, so they can have it on their own website without to much trouble.
Only thing that will be restricted to my website then would be the input. The rest would be free for anyone who want's wo make it available on their web site.
Lliandra
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.05.06 07:27:00 -
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You could check out the Reikoku history, it covers some of the northern history of eve:
reikoku stories
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2004.05.06 11:16:00 -
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The Reikoku history thing looks really nice^^
I'll make sure to try to contact the people who've shown interest aswell as trying to see if CCP / Aurora want to play a part in making an "official" Eve player history.. aswell as trying to refine the best method of actually linking individual corp histories with a main line of history 
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.05.06 11:25:00 -
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Cool idea.
Rev, your sig just tried to eat my soul. please tell it to stop.
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Klydor
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Posted - 2004.05.06 11:43:00 -
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Try your best to make the info accurate though. Might be worth getting a few people (that don't tend to smack talk) from each side involved in a specific event, into the same chat channel. Then try to decide a line of events that boths sides agree is accurate enough to what really happened.
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Koda
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Posted - 2004.05.06 14:35:00 -
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I fondly remember the story of "James Hawkins, Roark, and the 100 million isk piece of tritanium"
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Raytesh
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Posted - 2004.05.06 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Raytesh on 06/05/2004 14:58:29
Well most info of the same topic would have to be compared for some of the larger events. (I.e. SA vs CA, NVA, and other major factors) You can have stories from both sides and if those stories match up that would be great. Of course most may match up just a little bit but some of the bigger stuff would have to be confirmed by just more than one person.
The m0o and Evol histories if they have them in their forums then its pretty much confirmed by most of their members.(im sure some on the receiving end will confirm them as well.) Overall we need a full team sifting through info trying not to put up every little fact and story.
I think a major EVE time line should be put up with global events(alliance formations, wars, other things that a lot of people took notice of including the CCP events like the jovians, guristas attack on criliere[spelling sucks]) Then another link to corperation histories. Where everyone gets to post about there corps history.
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And for the larger events on the timeline we can have peoples stories about what happened during those times, alliance views, etc....
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Pogy Bait
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Posted - 2004.05.06 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
You could check out the Reikoku history, it covers some of the northern history of eve:
reikoku stories
ARGH! POST THE NEXT ONE!!! I MUST READ THEM ALL!
This is just like picking up a novel, getting engrossed then discovering it is the first book in a trilogy and the writer plans on only releasing bi-annualy 
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Kulach
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Posted - 2004.05.06 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Koda
I fondly remember the story of "James Hawkins, Roark, and the 100 million isk piece of tritanium"
Yeah, that one was hilarious
Shame that James quit the game (due to RL stuff). He remeber him as a real cool guy. At least when I was in the same corp as him.
Just because something is fixed doesn't mean you can't break it
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.05.06 21:30:00 -
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This might be one of the few cases where some sort of wiki or a variant of one would be useful.
I wonder if any wiki software exists that is aware of "events" - i.e. it can sort stuff based on chronological occurrence.
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2004.05.08 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Klydor
Try your best to make the info accurate though. Might be worth getting a few people (that don't tend to smack talk) from each side involved in a specific event, into the same chat channel. Then try to decide a line of events that boths sides agree is accurate enough to what really happened.
Ya I would say the main story line is written put together by people involved in the matter and then reviewed by a team from all parts of Eve for accuracy (and for being unbiased)
But ya cant forget that they are all supported by the corp storylines. While these might be slightly biased, its of no problem due to the opposing corps having their own story lines. That way you can read what happened at some point in time, and the viewpoints of several of the involved parties of what happened aswell, and end up painting your own picture.
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