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Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.05.29 13:58:00 - [1] Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 29/05/2008 14:02:29 Earlier, just after DT I tried to ransom a CNR, the pilot was 14 days old. It seems he had run afoul of a gatecamp a few systems further up the pipe as well. He logged off. I waited until the last safe moment for him to log back on again and proceded to gank it. I sat and waited for his egg and ransomed it. I then asked him WTF a 14 day old character was doing in a CNR. 'It was a gift from some friends' What the hell? What are people doing? I see it more and more, older players bestowing gifts on newer players, either large sums of ISK or expensive ships. Give a noob a billion isk and he will probably go and buy the biggest most expensive ship he can and lose it within 24 hours. Give a noob 10 mil isk and some advice and he will be in a much better position and not make those expensive mistakes early on which will make him quit. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected])
Father Dibbles Self Aggrandisement Society	Posted - 2008.05.29 13:59:00 - [2] I like it! May god save me, if it is right that he should do so...
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:00:00 - [3] Yes. We should all be collectively responsible for your exceeded sig-size.
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:03:00 - [4] I fail at forums :( Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected])
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 29/05/2008 14:02:29 Earlier, just after DT I tried to ransom a CNR, the pilot was 14 days old. It seems he had run afoul of a gatecamp a few systems further up the pipe as well. He logged off. I waited until the last safe moment for him to log back on again and proceded to gank it. I sat and waited for his egg and ransomed it. I then asked him WTF a 14 day old character was doing in a CNR. 'It was a gift from some friends' What the hell? What are people doing? I see it more and more, older players bestowing gifts on newer players, either large sums of ISK or expensive ships. Give a noob a billion isk and he will probably go and buy the biggest most expensive ship he can and lose it within 24 hours. Give a noob 10 mil isk and some advice and he will be in a much better position and not make those expensive mistakes early on which will make him quit. No! We pirates like newbs in big expensive ships. MOAR 14 day olds in CNRs PLX! we are recruiting!
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:13:00 - [6] Originally by: Inertial No! We pirates like newbs in big expensive ships. MOAR 14 day olds in CNRs PLX! Part of me agrees with you. Part of me doesn't. As much as I love the tears of these noob BS pilots and the idea that they rage quit because of me I feel a great sadness that these people are wasting these beautiful ships that I should be flying instead. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected])
K'uata Sayus	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:14:00 - [7] I've given 500K Isk to noobs I've seen in asteroid fields. But a CNR?? Even 10M is extravagant. I had a great time flying frigates, ratting in high-sec, and learning the game. Hell, I've got an alt that I can pose as a noob, just tell me where the free Ravens or 10M Isk is and I'll hang around there like a Calcutta beggar. EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:15:00 - [8] Give a man a fish, you'll feed him for a day. Teach a man how to fish, you'll feed him for a lifetime. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:16:00 - [9] E-Bay much?
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Rodj Blake Give a man a fish, you'll feed him for a day. Teach a man how to fish, you'll feed him for a lifetime. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Doc Fury	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:20:00 - [11] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 29/05/2008 14:02:29 Earlier, just after DT I tried to ransom a CNR, the pilot was 14 days old and had recently purchased a whack of iskies. FFS, 14-days old and in a CNR? No wonder CCP wants to make the minimum GTC "experience" 60 days now. The dead do not shoo-bop-a-loo-la.
Bloody Puppy Onorata Societa	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Rodj Blake Give a man a fish, you'll feed him for a day. Teach a man how to fish, you'll feed him for a lifetime. 100% signed once i found a noob asking in local asking how used to work ".....that things about clone implants and jumps?" i teached him 0/ fly safe m8 ------------------------------------------------- The puppy -- yarr WHY EVERYONE LOVES ME BUT NOONE UNDERSTAND ME? Albert Heinstein
Quelque Chose New Eden Roller Disco Supply	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Winterblink You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think. ___________________________________________
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:29:00 - [14] Edited by: Tiirae on 29/05/2008 14:29:22 Originally by: Rodj Blake Give a man a fish, you'll feed him for a day. Teach a man how to fish, you'll feed him for a lifetime. There's a slightly different version of this adage that I think is a little more suitable to the world of Eve: Give a man a fire, and he will be warm for a night. Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life. OP: Nobody gave him a CNR, he bought it with GTC. He is obviously not dumb enough to tell you that after you destroyed it for him. Keep up the good work though :)
Rosalia Vannetti	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Originally by: Inertial No! We pirates like newbs in big expensive ships. MOAR 14 day olds in CNRs PLX! Part of me agrees with you. Part of me doesn't. As much as I love the tears of these noob BS pilots and the idea that they rage quit because of me I feel a great sadness that these people are wasting these beautiful ships that I should be flying instead. just outsmart it you << 90 mil or fireworks... your choice>> noob >> i dont have so much money << you << the only thing would save you is eject NOW >> he cryes you smacktalk get ban go play wow spent years asking urself i'f i were a miner? look ma i got mental.... whit eve stop doing post about social responability? PRICELESS
Tom Tomahawk	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:40:00 - [16] I don't believe this story. A 14 days old newb simply doesn't have the skills to pilot a cnr, nor use bs-sized modules. Should have written of a 2 months old newb to make the story more credible.
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:41:00 - [17] As a 14 day old newb, an experienced player gave me 20M. I spent it on the shiniest, fanciest ships/mods I could. I lost them in hours. I then worked like a son-of-a-gun mining for weeks to build up the 20M, which I gave back too the player that gave it to me (by choice). Both the blowing of the initial investment, and the repayment pay dividends. I can't thank that player enough for the two valuable lessons I learned.
RaTTuS BIG	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:51:00 - [18] he bought the CNR, and lost it BIG time either with Rm or via GTC's... he won't do it again, I've given >14 noobs cash before and explained how things work... also ships - so they have skills to train for... but CNR's no way - they'll have to work for it... -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
Madla Mafia The Dead Man's Hand	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:03:00 - [19] Give me a billions isk, I promise I won't lose it right away. ------------------------------------------ Amarr - getting screwed since 2005.
TylerJames Stormfront A.W. Stormfront J.U.N.T.A.	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Quelque Chose Originally by: Winterblink You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think. You can tune a piano but you can't tuna fish
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Tom Tomahawk I don't believe this story. A 14 days old newb simply doesn't have the skills to pilot a cnr, nor use bs-sized modules. Should have written of a 2 months old newb to make the story more credible. Convo me in game I will link you to the KB. You can be flying a BS in what 3 days? Large Guns in less than a day. Large launchers in a week. Not use them well. But use them nevertheless. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected])
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:20:00 - [22] Edited by: Amastat on 29/05/2008 15:24:14 If someone blows that kinda money giving billions to a absolute noob and idiot, it's their loss not yours, or mine. I can see how giving large amounts of ISK, to a good friend or something, is a great way to jump-start things for them - so they don't have to go through the 1-3 months of the dark ages most of us go through when we start off. Personally I like to build on myself, not take money from others - however if I had someone like that around when I was new, I would of probably taken advice to invest it into blueprints or something, or kind of stockpile of items I could trade for a huge return several months later when I am more experienced. I'm not really much a indy, I have super minimal manufacturing skills, I research more than anything - and BPO's are the kind of things you want to hold on forever and reap their rewards. If I was new and I was given a few billion to spend on stuff, I probably would of bought several BC or Battleship BPO's and eventually saved up a POS and research/copy them. That much money I would never give to someone brand new - I would maybe give that kind of money to someone I know really well from outside the game, and I gave them a rundown, been mentoring them, and I know they have some form of a brain. A noob I meet in game, though they seem to have a good head on their shoulders, I wouldn't give that much money still - but I'd maybe give them up to 100m at the most. Only because I trust their judgement and they would really benefit from it, and/or they would be a great help and repay me in the future for it. This is a good way to make life-long allies to depend on as well. As for a complete noob and absolute moron, never in a million years. Some people like this will eventually beg, I've had a few people like that in the past trying to mooch off me. They usually ended up on my ignore list and/or I blew them up to make my stance very clear to them. Great thing about EVE is that unlike most MMORGPS, WoW in particular, u can blow a beggars f*cking brains out.
Thargat North Star Networks	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Rodj Blake Teach a man how to fish, you'll feed him for a lifetime, Teach a man religion and he'll starve to death while praying for fish Fixed it for ya ;p There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius.
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:34:00 - [24] I wish someone gave me a bil when I started :( I spent 3 days working towards a kestrel, which I fell in love with. Ah, the memories :'(
Melor Rend	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 29/05/2008 14:02:29Earlier, just after DT I tried to ransom a CNR, the pilot was 14 days old. It seems he had run afoul of a gatecamp a few systems further up the pipe as well. He logged off. I waited until the last safe moment for him to log back on again and proceded to gank it. I sat and waited for his egg and ransomed it. All I can say to that is: learning is fun! I personally agree with you that it's pointless to simply throw large heaps of ISK at a newer player... it would be far wiser to give them a crash course in frig combat or something and let them earn their own ISK... otherwise they'll always be dependent on others for their income or otherwise will lose interest in EVE as soon as they have to start organizing their own income. On the other hand if you do give a noob a CNR then he'll simply be ganked and laughed at which may also prompt the newbie to turn on his brain (or quit the game). Both is good. Actually come to think of it I think I like the idea of noobs making their first PvP experiences in a faction BS... as long as I wasn't the person paying for it.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:44:00 - [26] someone gave me hundreds of billions when i started and i'm still just living easy off of that just mellowing out, running a mission for fun every now and then, maybe losing a ship to some pirates here and there. just mellow
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Hanneshannes I wish someone gave me a bil when I started :( I spent 3 days working towards a kestrel, which I fell in love with. Ah, the memories :'( Know the feeling - even though back then we were absolute nubs; it's always the most awe-inspiring when you first start. My first love was the Cormorant I believe - lol - eventually the Ferox was my new prize ship. This was a longgg time ago during RMR though... way before tier 2 battlecruisers. This was during the period of time when there was the golden omber rush; Isogen was like 100isk/pu or more at the time. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Eleana Tomelac Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.05.29 15:57:00 - [28] I give advice to noobs and when they ask the right question, I send them the isk so they can answer to it themselves. 1M is all a newbie needs, he can break many frigs with that. It's even too much they tend to buy too expensive guns with that. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
Nykole Genesis Rising	Posted - 2008.05.29 16:03:00 - [29] give a man a fish he eats for a day, steal his wife and he eats alone, and you have a great night of.... oh n/m you guys all play internet space ships...
AltBier Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.05.29 16:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler You can be flying a BS in what 3 days? Large Guns in less than a day. I'd love to see that skill training sequence.

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