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Lor'ath Tylar
The All-Seeing Eye
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.05.30 10:46:00 -
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Hi M&E,
recently I got a 10/10 plex as an escalation of a simple anomaly. It is called Blood Raider Naval Shipyard. It consists of 3 rooms. The first two are easy (can be done with 3 rr BSes) but the last room is somewhat more complicated, because there is a building, wich shoots citadel torpedos. I heard we need a ship with 95% EM resist and a load of rr BSes to tank this and maybe 8-
10 BSes or more to take down the final structure. Even if it drops over 1 bil, you have to divide that at least by 10, and even then it isn't guaranteed that there won't be losses, since spawns may take down some ships.
So my question is, how to complete this plex cost effectively, what is the best (and smallest possible) fleet setup to take this challenge on with?
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Knobbing Everyone
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Posted - 2008.05.30 12:07:00 -
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Tried something like a Damnation or Devoter for tank, Guardian for remote rep & then gank? My Basilisk can help a cruise Raven tank a 8/10, so could be worth a try?
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Alexa Violet
Doom Generation
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.30 12:30:00 -
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Tanking ship with passive armor hardeners and a plate or two, apoc with 8x large remote armor reps, and dps dealer. And i think there arent any additional spawns besides the ones already there.
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KirikaPhoenix
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.30 13:45:00 -
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Recently did the Guristas 10/10 "The Maze". That had the annoying Fleet Stronghold which drops the 180k EM damage Thor torps on you every 30 seconds :(
Went in with 3 guardians and a domi, lost the domi in about 40 seconds. Went back in with a damnation and it wasn't even a challenge. Key here is buffer, high resistance and low sig radius (battlecruiser or smaller) otherwise you take full damage from the torp. Once you can deal with that torp, the rest is easy. You can run it with 1 tank, 2 logistics and a damage dealer.
As for being worth it, it dropped about 2.1 bil in mods for us so it shared out quite nicely, ymmv though
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Tarn dusk
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Posted - 2008.05.30 14:06:00 -
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Carrier ftw?
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FlameGlow
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.30 14:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Tarn dusk
Carrier ftw?
WTB magic key to get carriers through accel gates 
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Cruel Fox
Divine Power
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.30 15:56:00 -
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Smallest party to do 10/10;
command ship - logistic ship - battleship
Command ship tanking the spawn and logistic reping it out; with proper set up u wont have any problems doing it; and BS being a damage dealer; however on the end u might have a problem kiliing the officer; we once got dude wich tanked 3 cariers  (not perfect damage fited thow)
Uasking if 10/10 r woth it - hell yea!
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Opertone
SIEGE.
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Posted - 2008.05.30 18:29:00 -
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there is an easier way...
broadsword (heavy interdictor), EM resistance above 95%, dual logistics + smart bombs to kill smaller stuff quickly
broadsword, claymore, +buffer HP
and it is not worth it in most cases, we did a maze for the first time, lost 8 Battleships, 2 command ships, 4 assault frigates, 6 logistics, 4 battlecruisers... we finally figured out how to beat it, we had 100 mill worth of loot, 50 mill worth of bounties in the last room, we needed 5 people to beat that.
it can be disastrous and very time consuming
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Tarn dusk
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Posted - 2008.05.30 22:00:00 -
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He is talking about the ungated escalation with the station with the Bane EM torpedoes hence you can warp a carrier in and just sit there
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RC Denton
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Posted - 2008.05.30 22:48:00 -
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Do these only show up in deep 0.0 or is there a chance they'll escalate off of any unknown?
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Slayton Ford
STK Scientific
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.05.31 00:37:00 -
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Munnin w/ 2x TS EM Hardners, DC II gives you 98.5 EM Resist w/ 425k EffHP. Since Doom Torps have a large sig check, flying anything bigger then a cruiser will hose you. The Munnin and Broadsword have same base armor resist but a munnin can fit a rep while a broad cant.
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Vermis
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Posted - 2008.05.31 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cruel Fox
command ship - logistic ship - battleship
This is what we did a couple of 10/10's with. Although we also took a Drake on an alt for some extra DPS and help with the smaller ships. Fit a remote rep/booster on the Battleship to help the tank out (especially if logistic gets jammed).
For tanking the Citadel torp, having extremely high resist and low sig radius is very important.
10/10's worth it? Yes, very much so. The last one we completed had about 3 billion in loot split between 2 people. However, there is also the likelyhood that no faction loot drops too :( |
Lor'ath Tylar
The All-Seeing Eye
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.05.31 07:08:00 -
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Thanks to everybody for the useful info.
To me it seems like 10/10s were very hard a long time ago, but ever since capitals got banned from accessing them (you used to be able to use them with acceleration gates), they became much more easier, and now they can be completed with a smaller fleet.
Can anyone confirm that this change has happened in difficulty?
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Madam CLERICS
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Posted - 2008.06.27 12:05:00 -
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I've done it with BroadSword on Passive tank + Basilisk and Damege Dealer... it tooks like 40mins to complete all... 2b Drop. Bhalagorn + some other stuff.
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Dr Takiyoma
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Posted - 2008.06.28 22:21:00 -
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Had a drake tank it, also used defender missiles - had 20k shields before resists but can't remember EM%
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Market AltLOLOLOLO
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Posted - 2008.06.28 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Takiyoma
Had a drake tank it, also used defender missiles - had 20k shields before resists but can't remember EM%
Drake can tank a 100,000 damage EM torp every 30 sec? |
Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.06.29 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 29/06/2008 10:08:15
Send in a fast faction tanked AF with a crystal set of implants first. Let him take the agro from everything (on all stages).... He'll not take much damage so the rest of you can finish off the ships/structures easily. |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.29 13:19:00 -
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We did a similar plex awhile ago. Make sure you keep feeding the tankcap as well so his hardeners dont turn off! Also, bringing in a capital may very well result in a dead capital as the building hits them for full damage due to sig rad, and they are usually omnitanked so you will be surprised when your cap starts failing due to the neuting and then youre done for in your carrier in just a few hits.
I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them. |
Opertone
Caldari
SIEGE.
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Posted - 2008.06.29 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
Edited by: Kerfira on 29/06/2008 10:08:15
Send in a fast faction tanked AF with a crystal set of implants first. Let him take the agro from everything (on all stages).... He'll not take much damage so the rest of you can finish off the ships/structures easily.
we did it, the thor torpedo instapops: hawk, harpy, drake, battleship
only 95% resists with at least some buffer can help withstand the blow
the 10/10 plex can be a loss of many ships.
take on it very carefully |
Segge Bolled
Caldari
Dirty Sexy Pilots
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Posted - 2008.06.29 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Segge Bolled on 29/06/2008 16:07:37
Originally by: Market AltLOLOLOLO
Originally by: Dr Takiyoma
Had a drake tank it, also used defender missiles - had 20k shields before resists but can't remember EM%
Drake can tank a 100,000 damage EM torp every 30 sec?
Defender. Missiles.
If I recall correctly, a Citadel Torpedo moves real slow like, so I'm guessing a Defender firing Drake (especially using rocket launchers for this) should have a pretty good chance at knocking out those things with the (probably) necessary repeated strikes before they can spank the Drake.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.29 17:26:00 -
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Command ships or HACs as tank. If you have a clue how missiles work you will find out rest. If you dont - maybe its time to run lvl4's? |
Philip Jones
Gallente
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.29 17:33:00 -
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Defenders dont take out the citadels; and they have quite a long flight time.
Lazy way to do this is with a tanked mega with 95% resists to em and nice buffer of 32k armor.
Or you can use a plated deimos.
Still gonna need a logistics (2+ is better) with a couple damage dealers either way. All in all pretty easy. Just be aware of new aggro from new waves and be prepared to either warp ships and regroup , or make sure your tanker keeps aggro, as only the citadel hurts tbh.
Theres also the added bonus of scrambling frigs and webbers in this plex (on JIP), along with all those neut batteries (crazy amounts of hp). Probably the hardest plex i have ever encountered in eve... |
Newbear
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Posted - 2008.06.29 18:26:00 -
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Speed tank with a wolf! but kill the small stuff thats webs asap. But not worth it, run the insta respawn cosmos radar sites for 1-10b a day.
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Chomapuraku
Caldari
Templar Republic
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.30 01:23:00 -
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can an all-passive, faction tanked, rigged onyx with logistics support tank these plexes? it has a smaller sig radius than a tanked command ship.
or do you use the command ship for the gang bonuses on top of its immense tank? |
Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2008.06.30 02:40:00 -
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can be done with a munnin and apoc
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Market AltLOLOLOLO
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Posted - 2008.06.30 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Segge Bolled
Edited by: Segge Bolled on 29/06/2008 16:07:37
Originally by: Market AltLOLOLOLO
Originally by: Dr Takiyoma
Had a drake tank it, also used defender missiles - had 20k shields before resists but can't remember EM%
Drake can tank a 100,000 damage EM torp every 30 sec?
Defender. Missiles.
If I recall correctly, a Citadel Torpedo moves real slow like, so I'm guessing a Defender firing Drake (especially using rocket launchers for this) should have a pretty good chance at knocking out those things with the (probably) necessary repeated strikes before they can spank the Drake.
Lies.
If you used defenders, it goes for a random missle including the missiles from the full spawm. And you need to click each launcher for each missile fired at you. Anyone who used defenders know this.
Even if you used a macro or lots of fingers to mass tap f1-f7 (remember, defenders only fire 1 at a time per click) the thor torpedo would still kill you as
1. Defenders go for other missiles
2. You need somthing like 10 defenders to kill this custom 100k+ damage torp. These torps kill carriers.
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.06.30 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Opertone
Originally by: Kerfira
Send in a fast faction tanked AF with a crystal set of implants first. Let him take the agro from everything (on all stages).... He'll not take much damage so the rest of you can finish off the ships/structures easily.
we did it, the thor torpedo instapops: hawk, harpy, drake, battleship
only 95% resists with at least some buffer can help withstand the blow
the 10/10 plex can be a loss of many ships.
take on it very carefully
It has to be fast, and might require faction stuff..... Been a while since I've done one.....
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.30 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: FlameGlow
Originally by: Tarn dusk
Carrier ftw?
WTB magic key to get carriers through accel gates
In my experience, every Escalation I've ever got has been in Normal Space.
However, the OP is stating multiple rooms. Maybe my experience was something limited to the Drone Regions? |
Lady Aja
Caldari
No Angels Here
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Posted - 2008.07.01 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: KirikaPhoenix
Recently did the Guristas 10/10 "The Maze". That had the annoying Fleet Stronghold which drops the 180k EM damage Thor torps on you every 30 seconds :(
Went in with 3 guardians and a domi, lost the domi in about 40 seconds. Went back in with a damnation and it wasn't even a challenge. Key here is buffer, high resistance and low sig radius (battlecruiser or smaller) otherwise you take full damage from the torp. Once you can deal with that torp, the rest is easy. You can run it with 1 tank, 2 logistics and a damage dealer.
As for being worth it, it dropped about 2.1 bil in mods for us so it shared out quite nicely, ymmv though
no the key is not buffer...
domi has a huge sig radius so took heaps of damage...
I took a absolution inot a 10/10 complex b4fore they were made non static...
I would agro the whole room then my corp mates would throw on a total of 15 heavy maint bots and i would happily tank a full room agro using omni tanking.
sometimes corp mates would pull in the drones and hit me with 2 large remote reppers...
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