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Nebulous The Flaming Sideburn's Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:15:00 - [31] As much as the republic and it's supporters hate to admit it they really need the Thukker tribe on side in these times of tension, the threat of war breathes down the republic's neck and they would do well to make freinds with the most techonologicaly advanced minmatar tribe. -----------------
Julianus Soter The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:16:00 - [32] And so, as the news reports seem to confirm, left with a symbolic gesture. A threat, presumably against the Assembly to stay in their systems and out of the coming conflict. Yun has certainly become a powerful personality. --- This post is not the official statement of my alliance or corporation.
Zapp Brenigan Terran Resurrection	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:28:00 - [33] Edited by: Zapp Brenigan on 30/05/2008 20:36:55 Edited by: Zapp Brenigan on 30/05/2008 20:28:47 There is an ancient military sawing that goes,"Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is enemy action." 1. The Malkalen 'Incident'. 2. The combined Federation-Republic Operation 'Brotherhood'. 3. 'Unknown' Fleet in Yulai, made up of Republic and Thukker ships. Now many of you are saying, SO WHAT? Well, lets think about it. 1. Create an 'Incident' which will rid you of figures that would stand in your way (The Caldari/Gallente peace delegations and the CEO of Ishukone)and create and atmosphere of intense distrust and chaos. The power vacuum left by th loss of prominent figures from both parties will now most likely be filled by people who will thrive and feed the hate of this new reality(i.e. Heth). And remember deny everything. 2. Exercise your military might, intensify your training, create a combined chain of command with your allies. At the same time sow more distrust and discord in one opposing party in the hopes that they will lash out. This will hopefully cause the opposing party to be looked upon unfavorably by their allies and neutral third parties. Keep denying anything is out of the ordinary. 3. Test the will of any 'neutral' third parties. Figure out how they will react, and make sure they will not enter the coming fray on the opposing side. If I were in the Amarr or Caldari command I would be preparing. It looks like your about to have guests for dinner.
Redbad TSL Wolfpack	Posted - 2008.05.30 21:21:00 - [34] I'll just say: Don't doubt the Tribal bonds and honour. RB
Jahah Smith Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.30 21:47:00 - [35] Did anyone else notice that the non capitols used the jump portal to move into Yulai, this would suggest that there was a Titan class ship with the unknown fleet (I would guess a Ragnarok) within 5 Light Years of the system. That there is a Titan in this unkown fleet is a worry to say the least, but I do not know of another way to move non capitols through a portal without a Jump Bridge Array, does anyone else?
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.05.30 22:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Jahah Smith Did anyone else notice that the non capitols used the jump portal to move into Yulai, this would suggest that there was a Titan class ship with the unknown fleet (I would guess a Ragnarok) within 5 Light Years of the system. That there is a Titan in this unkown fleet is a worry to say the least, but I do not know of another way to move non capitols through a portal without a Jump Bridge Array, does anyone else? as an educated minmatar pilto i must say. ITs CAPITAL!!! not CAPITOL!!! ANCIENT EARTH buildings have no place on modern fleet warfare! Also the fact that Thukker Mix have titans at its disposal is well known, sicne they are among other things prime weapons builders.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.30 23:08:00 - [37] I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. There were no shots fired, no reported casualties, and generally no harm done. Perhaps the capital fleet in question was merely sightseeing, and decided to stop by and pay their respect to CONCORD for all of the fine work they've done. Now if they'd appeared in front of the Emperor's Family Academy, then you might have some cause for concern. Briefly. -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.05.30 23:52:00 - [38] Originally by: Becq Starforged Now if they'd appeared in front of the Emperor's Family Academy, then you might have some cause for concern. Briefly. Oh, a man can dream. A man can dream. But not quite as good, I wager, as you, Becq. Here's hoping, eh? ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
Maximillian Brion Beholder Project	Posted - 2008.05.31 02:07:00 - [39] Personally, I think it wasn't a show of force. If the Thukkers wanted that, we'd have another Ishukone on our hands, or something worse. I believe they wanted to point out how ineffective CONCORD had become in maintaining peace and stability in the Empire since its creation. Then there's the question how can such a big fleet jump into one of the most secure systems in the Republic? In my opinion, they were trying to say: If we can do it, so can the Amarr, Caldari and who knows who else. Be happy we were the first and we didn't shoot. As a Minmatar, seeing Thukker and Republic forces working together... it makes me extremely happy. Old grudges should be set aside if we are to hold back our enemies from enslaving us again. Maximillian Brion --- The only good Amarrian is a DEAD Amarrian...
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.31 02:39:00 - [40] I have a strong feeling I know the origin of this fleet. Of course it might not be as simple as this but sometimes the most obvious answer is the correct one. Karishal and the Defiants under his command took control of substantial Republic Fleet assets including a large number of capital class ships. The Defiants, with some help from us and other Matari warriors, destroyed that Amarr Battlestation (the first to be taken out since the uprising). In response Midular had Karishal assassinated. The Defiants took their fleet to ground in the Great Wildlands. Home of the Thukker Tribe and the old hidaway of that other famous Defiant freedom fighter, Malaetu Shakor. The Defiants have since resurfaced to bring the fight to the Saracens in the occupied territory of The Bleak Lands. While they decimate the Saracen battlegroups raiders units, including ours, systematically dismantle the Amarr infrastructure. What vessels have we seen in use there? the Nomad and the Panther. Thukker designed ships. The Thukker are experts with jump drive technology and the Defiants had high level access to secure systems such as those needed to open jump portals in DED controlled systems. After all, they are ex-Fleet. Of course I could be wrong but I know who I would put my ISK on. While there are some in the Republic who choose to view this Matari fleet as a threat I am sure there are many more that see it as a clarion call to stand as one and finally take back our land and our people. For those in the Republic uncertain and undecided I will quote to you what Karishal said to me when I chose to leave the Republic and follow him out to the rim. Quote: 2006.07.09 22:39 The choice you have made, it is not an easy one. I know that only too well. However, you have done what you believe to be right, in your heart. And in the end, this is what i believe we must all follow. I will speak to you soon brother, Fly Free. Karishal Muritor
Vladimir Titov Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2008.05.31 02:52:00 - [41] Edited by: Vladimir Titov on 31/05/2008 02:52:13 When I viewed the feed from the Scope telecast, only one word could describe the feeling that swept over me: Pride.
Dionisius The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.05.31 02:59:00 - [42] Originally by: Zapp Brenigan Edited by: Zapp Brenigan on 30/05/2008 20:36:55 Edited by: Zapp Brenigan on 30/05/2008 20:28:47 There is an ancient military sawing that goes,"Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is enemy action." 1. The Malkalen 'Incident'. 2. The combined Federation-Republic Operation 'Brotherhood'. 3. 'Unknown' Fleet in Yulai, made up of Republic and Thukker ships. Now many of you are saying, SO WHAT? Well, lets think about it. 1. Create an 'Incident' which will rid you of figures that would stand in your way (The Caldari/Gallente peace delegations and the CEO of Ishukone)and create and atmosphere of intense distrust and chaos. The power vacuum left by th loss of prominent figures from both parties will now most likely be filled by people who will thrive and feed the hate of this new reality(i.e. Heth). And remember deny everything. 2. Exercise your military might, intensify your training, create a combined chain of command with your allies. At the same time sow more distrust and discord in one opposing party in the hopes that they will lash out. This will hopefully cause the opposing party to be looked upon unfavorably by their allies and neutral third parties. Keep denying anything is out of the ordinary. 3. Test the will of any 'neutral' third parties. Figure out how they will react, and make sure they will not enter the coming fray on the opposing side. If I were in the Amarr or Caldari command I would be preparing. It looks like your about to have guests for dinner. A very good and accurate point. _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief.
3ll3 Tranquillity Nation	Posted - 2008.05.31 04:07:00 - [43] Edited by: 3ll3 on 31/05/2008 04:15:05 This is madness, I could understand why a fleet of Matari vessels would attack Ammarian staions but to threaten a Concord Station? I mean their the police their not enemies of the Republic they Serve and Protect in Republic space keeping it safe for all of us who dwell in High Security Areas. Things are despratly starting to get out of hand @_@
Dionisius The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.05.31 04:18:00 - [44] Originally by: 3ll3 Edited by: 3ll3 on 31/05/2008 04:15:05 This is madness, I could understand why a fleet of Matari vessels would attack Ammarian staions but to threaten a Concord Station? I mean their the police their not enemies of the Republic they Serve and Protect in Republic space keeping it safe for all of us who dwell in High Security Areas. Things are despratly starting to get out of hand @_@ Mr.3ll3 , who said that the crews were of Matari origin? _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief.
3ll3 Tranquillity Nation	Posted - 2008.05.31 04:41:00 - [45] Here's where But What's that Keitan Yun up to, even with Capital Ships it's still a dumb idea to Cross Concord @_@ Um do Concord have Capital Ships of their own?
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.31 04:59:00 - [46] Sometimes the most obvious answer is the correct one, sometimes it is not. We certainly live in interesting times.
Dionisius The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.05.31 05:20:00 - [47] Originally by: 3ll3 Here's where But What's that Keitan Yun up to, even with Capital Ships it's still a dumb idea to Cross Concord @_@ Um do Concord have Capital Ships of their own? Mr. 3ll3, the scope states that the armada maybe conected to a Minmatar Ambassator, and their source is unknown. So at best we know that someone with knowledge of Minmatar Starship Engeneering and how to bypass the capital jump drives blockade is the one behined this. Now how many of us aren't privy with ship builders?Its comon amongst capsuleers to know this kind of information about ship details, even regular citizens that specialize in the field of starship building have to know this kind of schematics. Now the latter we know that Concord Officials at best know the way to surpass the blockade and how to supress transponder codes. Hmm, i wonder if someone inside the DED is the actual perpetrator behind all this... _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.31 09:02:00 - [48] So much saber rattling and bongo abuse from the federates and the tribals. Be careful what you wish for, you may choke on it. ----------------------------------------------
Masu'di Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.05.31 10:23:00 - [49] The fleet was just passing through our HQ so could pick up some combat boosters. Old animosities will be put aside to fight the Amarrians and the Nefantar traitors.
Redbad TSL Wolfpack	Posted - 2008.05.31 10:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Gaius Kador So much saber rattling and bongo abuse from the federates and the tribals. Be careful what you wish for, you may choke on it. I'd rather choke on my own words then being forced to speak yours. RB
Rawr Cristina Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.31 10:28:00 - [51] Oh, and there I was hoping they'd engage. It's too bad they were fully aware how suicidal that would be; I love watching those scrapheaps come apart. ...
Demitria Fernir Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.05.31 10:48:00 - [52] The CONCORD Assembly was surely caught unprepared. Who would ever think of a Minmatar Fleet jumping in Yulai System without anyone noticing? CONCORD has lost some of his fame, but the Firepower the Assembly can Arrange must not be forgotten, remember that is CONCORD officers that keeps the "High Security" in High Security Systems. In a concentrated action, CONCORD could actually wipe out a capital fleet of double or even quadruple number, without much losses. The show of force in Yulai is just a taunt for CONCORD, Minmatars should stop playing with fire. Really. 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001
Redbad TSL Wolfpack	Posted - 2008.05.31 10:55:00 - [53] Originally by: Demitria Fernir The CONCORD Assembly was surely caught unprepared. Who would ever think of a Minmatar Fleet jumping in Yulai System without anyone noticing? CONCORD has lost some of his fame, but the Firepower the Assembly can Arrange must not be forgotten, remember that is CONCORD officers that keeps the "High Security" in High Security Systems. In a concentrated action, CONCORD could actually wipe out a capital fleet of double or even quadruple number, without much losses. The show of force in Yulai is just a taunt for CONCORD, Minmatars should stop playing with fire. Really. No, its not a taunt, its a statement: The tribes are united. RB
Archbishop PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.31 12:26:00 - [54] Indeed all of these "accidents and incidents" seem to point in the direction of a Gallente plot to destabilize the peace that has reigned in the Empires recently. Why would the Gallente do this? Why would they foster an environment of war, distrust and hatred? Well as they're the race of no moral character or decency I guess if anyone would do such a thing it would be the Gallente. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS
Daelin Blackleaf Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.31 13:16:00 - [55] CONCORD are happy to come out to distant 0.0 and harass the outlaw factions, they're ecstatic at the idea of turning up in huge numbers to blow up people who look at each other funny, but as soon as a reasonable force manages to break through whatever security system they use to restrict jump-ins in empire they cower in their station and refuse to undock. While supposedly necessary to stop you lot from tearing each other apart, one wonders just how effective they'd if an empire decided to do something completely underhand like say... repeatedly blow up your industrials, allow "rogue" military personnel to run wild, or crash a mothership into a station. ---------------------------- Originally by: CCP Subscription I'm sorry Sir your European I'll have to charge you 58% extra
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.05.31 13:36:00 - [56] Originally by: Redbad Originally by: Demitria Fernir The CONCORD Assembly was surely caught unprepared. Who would ever think of a Minmatar Fleet jumping in Yulai System without anyone noticing? CONCORD has lost some of his fame, but the Firepower the Assembly can Arrange must not be forgotten, remember that is CONCORD officers that keeps the "High Security" in High Security Systems. In a concentrated action, CONCORD could actually wipe out a capital fleet of double or even quadruple number, without much losses. The show of force in Yulai is just a taunt for CONCORD, Minmatars should stop playing with fire. Really. No, its not a taunt, its a statement: The tribes are united. RB The question is.. under the leadership of who? Also to the ones that think this is a simple demonstration that empires can surpass the cyno jamming capabilities of concord. And that anyuone coudl do it. You are being to naive! Thukkers are the master minds on jump drive technology, beign way more advanced than any other group, safe possibly jove empire, if someone can do it, woudl be them. BUt that don 't make other empire capable! That coudl be a huge turn point in the balance of power! Specially if you pay attention in 2 small details. All ships jumped in system, not only capitals. That is OK, Thukker fleet coudl have a ragnarok class ship at start point of that jump. But 15 mintues alter all ships jumped OUT! YEs. naglfar jumepd out, but TEMPESTS jumped out as well, typhoons, ruptures etc!! andt here was no titan in Yulai. So how that fleet managed that? If thukkers have developed a new and more advanced mechanism of jump bridges that allow such a fleet to move without the need of a titan into and out of a hostile system. That pretty much might means that there is a new big fish in new eden waters! And for surely I am glad that big fish is one of matariboiling blood type.
Stitcher Duty.	Posted - 2008.05.31 13:45:00 - [57] Jump bridge technology is getting smaller and more commonplace anyway. Just look at commercial "Black Ops" battleships. The Thukkers are acknowledged masters at getting whole caravans of ships about the place in relative ease. I doubt that outfitting those Naglfars and Tempests with jump bridges of their own would be beyond their abilities. That said, while they may have been the first to do it, let's not fool ourselves - there are lots of other groups who could do it as well. Rhoden, Khanid Innovations, Lai Dai, Ishukone... they all have the technical know-how to be able to pull something like that off. What sets the Thukkers apart is that they're the only group, thus far, who had a reason. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Kagura Nikon Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.31 14:09:00 - [58] Originally by: Stitcher Jump bridge technology is getting smaller and more commonplace anyway. Just look at commercial "Black Ops" battleships. The Thukkers are acknowledged masters at getting whole caravans of ships about the place in relative ease. I doubt that outfitting those Naglfars and Tempests with jump bridges of their own would be beyond their abilities. That said, while they may have been the first to do it, let's not fool ourselves - there are lots of other groups who could do it as well. Rhoden, Khanid Innovations, Lai Dai, Ishukone... they all have the technical know-how to be able to pull something like that off. What sets the Thukkers apart is that they're the only group, thus far, who had a reason. I think you overestiamte the capability of copying technology that empires might have. The current state where all 4 empires technologies are match3ed is exaclty due to concord regulations that demand that to deploy a new technology on line ships the developer must provide at least enough knowledge on how to replicate it so that the balance among the 4 empires is kep. The current black ops technology was developed by thukkers as well as the modern jump freighters, all with licensed technology to the other groups. I really doubt that on curretn almost war state of relations Thukkers have deliberately also passed technology on how to jump out a huge fleet without the usage of a titan jump bridge. This was not a demonstration fo force wasa demonstration of technology and a mesage of, "you can't hide from us" ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Redbad TSL Wolfpack	Posted - 2008.05.31 14:17:00 - [59] Originally by: Archbishop Indeed all of these "accidents and incidents" seem to point in the direction of a Gallente plot to destabilize the peace that has reigned in the Empires recently. Why would the Gallente do this? Why would they foster an environment of war, distrust and hatred? Well as they're the race of no moral character or decency I guess if anyone would do such a thing it would be the Gallente. Archbishop Ask your next emperor, I'm sure he can answer a question or two about it. RB
Andre Ricard The Scope	Posted - 2008.05.31 14:30:00 - [60] Edited by: Andre Ricard on 31/05/2008 14:30:24 As an aside, as a man who has participated in mass jumps of 40+ capital ships I found this account of the incident darkly amusing. People in the inner sphere really have no idea anymore what modern warfare is like. Also, I found this to be generally amusing. The Empire a vessel of peace, indeed. ----- Character back under original management.

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