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Kersh Marelor Federal European Industry Science and Research	Posted - 2008.05.30 12:39:00 - [1] It is now obvious that the Republic has no control over what is going on with their resources. I find it doubtful that they did not know of a massive force made of Minmatar ships, capital no less. It is either another instance where the Minmatar Republic cannot or does not want to contain the rebelious brutes that fill its space. To allow these forces to enter the high security space and directly threaten CONCORD station is unacceptable and the Republic should get a firm grip over those forces. They allowed them to prosper and live in their space for years, deaf to the pleas and warnings of Amarr Empire - this is where their lack of activity has led us.
Babel Entity no. 84837	Posted - 2008.05.30 12:46:00 - [2] Edited by: Babel on 30/05/2008 12:46:14 /me leaves a white, wheeled handbasket up against station in Pator, map and fire-proof garments included .... The Republic perhaps needs a little Administrative direction - Skarkon sets a good example :) . URIEL Recruitish Threaddery
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.30 12:48:00 - [3] mmm, perhaps read a bit more carefully? Surely they teach you that in doctrine classes. The Minmatar republic do not have the ability to move capital ships into hi-sec, the same as any other group bound by Yulai directives. I have my suspicions on who these forces are controlled by but I suspect that Midular's assassination of Karishal Muritor is coming back to bite her in the arse. The defiants left and when they returned were much stronger and better equiped.... You have to wander who they found to work with :) Personally I see this more as a silent protest from a very much pro minmatar group against yulai's failure to curb increasing raids by amarrians into minmatar soverign space and also as a note that Yulai's power is slipping. I'll agree with you on one thing though amarrian.. Midular is not the leader the republic needs. Role on a time I can claim my 1isk from maggot :)
Daziel Iaar PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.30 12:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Sapphrine mmm, perhaps read a bit more carefully? Surely they teach you that in doctrine classes. The Minmatar republic do not have the ability to move capital ships into hi-sec, the same as any other group bound by Yulai directives. I have my suspicions on who these forces are controlled by but I suspect that Midular's assassination of Karishal Muritor is coming back to bite her in the arse. The defiants left and when they returned were much stronger and better equiped.... You have to wander who they found to work with :) Personally I see this more as a silent protest from a very much pro minmatar group against yulai's failure to curb increasing raids by amarrians into minmatar soverign space and also as a note that Yulai's power is slipping. I'll agree with you on one thing though amarrian.. Midular is not the leader the republic needs. Role on a time I can claim my 1isk from maggot :) Yes because it was minmatar ships being destroyed without provocation and for no apparent reason...oh wait, no it wasn't, it was ours. "His Will Be Done"
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Sapphrine mmm, perhaps read a bit more carefully? Surely they teach you that in doctrine classes. The Minmatar republic do not have the ability to move capital ships into hi-sec, the same as any other group bound by Yulai directives. Actually, the Republic (along with the other major factions) does have the ability to deploy capital ships into high-sec space. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kharass Al'Quam Kinda'Shujaa Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Daziel Iaar Originally by: Sapphrine mmm, perhaps read a bit more carefully? Surely they teach you that in doctrine classes. The Minmatar republic do not have the ability to move capital ships into hi-sec, the same as any other group bound by Yulai directives. I have my suspicions on who these forces are controlled by but I suspect that Midular's assassination of Karishal Muritor is coming back to bite her in the arse. The defiants left and when they returned were much stronger and better equiped.... You have to wander who they found to work with :) Personally I see this more as a silent protest from a very much pro minmatar group against yulai's failure to curb increasing raids by amarrians into minmatar soverign space and also as a note that Yulai's power is slipping. I'll agree with you on one thing though amarrian.. Midular is not the leader the republic needs. Role on a time I can claim my 1isk from maggot :) Yes because it was minmatar ships being destroyed without provocation and for no apparent reason...oh wait, no it wasn't, it was ours. And? This has been comming a long time, long have the Amarr dictated Concord but it seems the brothers will do what they do. In the immortal words of the youngsters today "Today Yulai, Tomorrow Amarr." God is my Co-pilot
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:10:00 - [7] suprisingly enough other un-marked ships have been destroying slaver convoys in minmatar border space also..... what are the odds? :) If amarrians are going to come into minmatar space and sieze our citizens against their will, are you suprised when hauler convoys in highly suspect situations are destroyed? Far too long the Amarrian empire has gotten away with 'reclaiming' my minmatar brethren and the Republic has let them under Midulars rule... now suprisingly enough, people have disagreed with this stance and taken matters into their own hands. I promised Karishal Muritor that his vision would not be forgotten. His actions live on in those of Ushra'Khan, the Defiants and all other groups that choose to take an active stance in fighting slavery. Some say we're barbaric and that we should be far more temperate in our responses and let diplomacy take a turn. Diplomacy has had 100 years, its achieved... well i think the record is fairly clear. There are those that are richer ofc, their hands are steeped in blood of the innocents left enslaved. Senior people in the republic leadership have lost sight of the needs of the people. All the people, not just the small proportion currently free. All people deserve to be free. I hope the general uproar against midulars government and the support the people are showing for these valiant un-named warriors is taken note of.
Andre Ricard The Scope	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:17:00 - [8] This was just... bizzare, however. Capitals jump into a star system unopposed and then leave? Granted it wasn't the biggest fleet I've ever seen (most of the GS-BoB war stationbuster fleets were two dozen capitals or more) but why would the Minmatar of all people want to rattle sabers in front of CONCORD? This just seems... terribly random. ----- Character back under original management.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Andre Ricard This was just... bizzare, however. Capitals jump into a star system unopposed and then leave? Granted it wasn't the biggest fleet I've ever seen (most of the GS-BoB war stationbuster fleets were two dozen capitals or more) but why would the Minmatar of all people want to rattle sabers in front of CONCORD? This just seems... terribly random. Unless they were simply stopping by on their way to somewhere else... Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Stitcher Duty.	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:21:00 - [10] Well, if the intent was to undermine the credibility of CONCORD as a peacekeeping organization, I'd say they've done a damn good job. Mean as those DED ships may be, I don't think they'd have fared too well against a task group sporting that kind of firepower. My question is, why Yulai? I can only assume that it was a demonstration to the effect that, whoever these people are, they are able to deploy military assets on a staggering scale anywhere within civilized space, with impunity. Which is worrying news. I don't trust anybody who has that kind of power, and then goes and actually uses it. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Gaius Proeliator Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:22:00 - [11] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Andre Ricard This was just... bizzare, however. Capitals jump into a star system unopposed and then leave? Granted it wasn't the biggest fleet I've ever seen (most of the GS-BoB war stationbuster fleets were two dozen capitals or more) but why would the Minmatar of all people want to rattle sabers in front of CONCORD? This just seems... terribly random. Unless they were simply stopping by on their way to somewhere else... Just stopping by, and just HAPPEN to arrange themselves in an offensive formation? Refusing communication? I agree that this is very odd indeed. - Gaius Proeliator
Davlos Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.30 14:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Sapphrine I have my suspicions on who these forces are controlled by but I suspect that Midular's assassination of Karishal Muritor is coming back to bite her in the arse. Sure... everything that happens is because of a dead man and a conspiracy. I recommend you to have your cognitive software checked out and updated. --- Originally by: Revan Neferis Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....
Natalcya Katla Astropolitan Front	Posted - 2008.05.30 14:07:00 - [13] We are not so easily intimidated. Stop acting as though CONCORD has been defeated. This was an insult, nothing more. I am confident it will be addressed in proper fashion, in its proper time and place.
Pliskkenn Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 14:41:00 - [14] I see they managed to find their friends then. Excellent. ---
Eyrines	Posted - 2008.05.30 14:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Scope Reporter To quote the Scope broadcast; "The sudden appearance of the fleet, their unknown origins, ability to jump capital ships into the most secure space in New Eden, and refusal to communicate has left the prestigious law enforcement agency scrambling for answers." Republic Fleet Dreadnoughts that have never been registered NEOCOM broadcast tags. Thukker vessels flying escort despite the well known antagonism with the Republic. Given that I have not heard of any recent thefts of Republic Fleet Capitols, and the volume at which anti-slaver pilots generally declare even the slightest victory, I cannot help but entertain the oddest of ideas. It's the drones. According to the leaked CONCORD documents, they have proven able to override and make use of locked stargates before, therefore cynosural fields are certainly within their abilities. Given the proximity of the Drone Regions to the Matari, it is not unlikely that the majority of fleet presences they have encountered have been of Republic or Thukker vessels. Were they able to faithfully reproduce ships that they have observed in 0.0, (and it is not that unfeasible) it is possible that they do not recognize the significance of the differing insignias. Though savvy enough to know that you'll never find a Revelation being escorted by Ruptures, in their eyes a minmatar-style ship is simply a minmatar-style ship. The insignias are overlooked. And so ofcourse all of the recent losses of Amarr vessels and the Yulai incident are part of the drones evil plan. The republic is but a poor victim in all of this. I really don't know how you carry on. You might think this a flight of fantasy, but it carries as much weight as most of the excuses you Matari apologists churn out. Come on. Let's hear another one.
Steiner Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:06:00 - [16] That is a very interesting theory Eyrines, very interesting and not so unlikely considering how inventive those drones are but lets face it, to start a war you have to get rid of the peace makers and someone is willing to go this far to get rid of them. After the reported CONCORD session which ousted the minmatar ambassador something in the republic (or Angles) is using this excuse to get things going there way. ---
Haakelen United Forces	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:13:00 - [17] Now, now. Let's not be hasty. From what I've gathered, Mr. Marelor, the ships did not commit any aggression against the CONCORD station. You cannot even definitively say that this was the doing of the Minmatar Republic. This isn't another Malkalen, no reason to make it out to be. Let the news unfold first. Although, if indeed the Republic Fleet is indeed flying with the Thukker and deploying capital assets into Yulai as a force demonstration, I might have to go back on my previous assessments on the usefulness of them as an ally.
Major Death Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:15:00 - [18] Quote: Come on. Let's hear another one. How about this one then? All tube children are preprogrammed to attack Gallente assets at the release of a spiked broadcast. My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!'
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Major Death How about this one then? All tube children are preprogrammed to attack Gallente assets at the release of a spiked broadcast. You see, the problem with that one is it's actually true. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
Shintoko Akahoshi Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.05.30 16:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Major Death How about this one then? All tube children are preprogrammed to attack Gallente assets at the release of a spiked broadcast. You see, the problem with that one is it's actually true. Now now, I'm a tube child, and I'm not preprogra... Oh, wait. Never mind... Shin's writings
Major Death Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.30 16:21:00 - [21] Quote: Now now, I'm a tube child, and I'm not preprogra... Oh, wait. Never mind... Scary isn't it. Everything you've done, everything you believe in and all your hopes and dreams, might be nothing more than preinstalled code from a Machiavellian scheme. STOP WATCHING THE SCOPE BROADCASTS! My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!'
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.30 16:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Davlos Originally by: Sapphrine I have my suspicions on who these forces are controlled by but I suspect that Midular's assassination of Karishal Muritor is coming back to bite her in the arse. Sure... everything that happens is because of a dead man and a conspiracy. I recommend you to have your cognitive software checked out and updated. and certainly not because they've been back and actively fighting in the bleaks for the past few months.... nooooooo... Hardly a conspiracy either given they said they'd come back :) You reap what you sow... Killing off a hero of the people made Karishal a Martyr and helped to kick start huge public support for a less passive Minmatar stance with regard to our still enslaved brothers. The people are speaking, and they're not very happy with midular and her cronies... I don't see her holding her head for much longer.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.30 16:59:00 - [23] I would implore everyone to remain calm while we await for more information. My personal guess is that based on current information, the "Republican" part of the Fleet of Yulai is most likely the Defiants, and that their time in Great Wildlands was not, after all, spent in vain. If so, this fleet is an enemy of us all, and the CONCORD nations turning against each other in search of a culprit will only work into their hands. Elsebeth Rhiannon Diplomat, Electus Matari Citizen of the Republic -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Jonny Damordred Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:08:00 - [24] Damnit. As I watched the feed of the incident, all I could think was: Push the button already! Kill'em all, you Matari saints. Then they left, how disappointing. Cheers, Jonny D. ------------------------- CEO and Professor of Gunboat Diplomacy
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon If so, this fleet is an enemy of us all Only those of us who have a vested interest in seeing the continuation of CONCORD and the propping up of the outmoded systems of government that the DED protects. For others it is a beacon of hope. ---
Kyoko Sakoda Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.30 19:44:00 - [26] I believe they would need a larger force than 12 dreadnoughts to deal lasting damage to that facility, Mr. Damordred. That being said, bringing together more capitals can't be that hard for them (just ask the capsuleers), and I was kind of thinking the same thing. Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Nachshon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.30 19:48:00 - [27] My reaction can be summed up thusly: WHAT THE FRACK JUST HAPPENED IN YULAI?! First of all, there's the question of who is behind this. I for one would believe Midular, indicating that the Fleet is not behind this. Maybe the Thukkers - do they have the ability to jump cap ships into hi-sec? But beyond that, there is the question of WHY? ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom My v
Steph Wing Electro Fuels	Posted - 2008.05.30 19:53:00 - [28] Edited by: Steph Wing on 30/05/2008 19:55:27 I can't help but wonder at the strategic thinking behind this incident. Consider: Suppose you had a super-secret armada of Republic Fleet and Thukker Tribe warships. Why announce your presence by jumping into the most heavily-defended system in New Eden, and then simply bugger off? Why commit your force and lose the element of surprise unless you plan to attack? PARTICULARLY if you have the ability to jump capital ships into high-security space, something which I have NEVER previously seen done by an independant party let alone one not registered with NEOCOM. Militarily, this move makes no sense. It's bad strategy. It could be seen as political posturing or a show of force, but no party has yet claimed ownership of the mystery armada; in fact, Republic and Thukker officials have actively denied any involvement in this whole fiasco. I would think that a show of force would require one to actually introduce oneself, thus, politically, this move makes no sense either. All it's accomplished is a heightened alertness from CONCORD and the major powers, and I have a hard time believing THAT was the goal.
Jonny Damordred Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda I believe they would need a larger force than 12 dreadnoughts to deal lasting damage to that facility, Mr. Damordred. That being said, bringing together more capitals can't be that hard for them (just ask the capsuleers), and I was kind of thinking the same thing. All you need is one. Just ask Ishukone. Cheers, Jonny D. ------------------------- CEO and Professor of Gunboat Diplomacy
Kyoko Sakoda Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:12:00 - [30] Ishukone allowed the Nyx to get quite close to the station, possibly as a symbolic gesture. Reviewing the video feed, it looks like this fleet couldn't get close enough to the station at jump in. That means any suicidal attack would likely fail. I've always preferred brute force, anyway. Ghost Festival is recruiting.

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