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Kersh Marelor Federal European Industry Science and Research	Posted - 2008.05.30 12:39:00 - [1] It is now obvious that the Republic has no control over what is going on with their resources. I find it doubtful that they did not know of a massive force made of Minmatar ships, capital no less. It is either another instance where the Minmatar Republic cannot or does not want to contain the rebelious brutes that fill its space. To allow these forces to enter the high security space and directly threaten CONCORD station is unacceptable and the Republic should get a firm grip over those forces. They allowed them to prosper and live in their space for years, deaf to the pleas and warnings of Amarr Empire - this is where their lack of activity has led us.
Babel Entity no. 84837	Posted - 2008.05.30 12:46:00 - [2] Edited by: Babel on 30/05/2008 12:46:14 /me leaves a white, wheeled handbasket up against station in Pator, map and fire-proof garments included .... The Republic perhaps needs a little Administrative direction - Skarkon sets a good example :) . URIEL Recruitish Threaddery
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.30 12:48:00 - [3] mmm, perhaps read a bit more carefully? Surely they teach you that in doctrine classes. The Minmatar republic do not have the ability to move capital ships into hi-sec, the same as any other group bound by Yulai directives. I have my suspicions on who these forces are controlled by but I suspect that Midular's assassination of Karishal Muritor is coming back to bite her in the arse. The defiants left and when they returned were much stronger and better equiped.... You have to wander who they found to work with :) Personally I see this more as a silent protest from a very much pro minmatar group against yulai's failure to curb increasing raids by amarrians into minmatar soverign space and also as a note that Yulai's power is slipping. I'll agree with you on one thing though amarrian.. Midular is not the leader the republic needs. Role on a time I can claim my 1isk from maggot :)
Daziel Iaar PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.30 12:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Sapphrine mmm, perhaps read a bit more carefully? Surely they teach you that in doctrine classes. The Minmatar republic do not have the ability to move capital ships into hi-sec, the same as any other group bound by Yulai directives. I have my suspicions on who these forces are controlled by but I suspect that Midular's assassination of Karishal Muritor is coming back to bite her in the arse. The defiants left and when they returned were much stronger and better equiped.... You have to wander who they found to work with :) Personally I see this more as a silent protest from a very much pro minmatar group against yulai's failure to curb increasing raids by amarrians into minmatar soverign space and also as a note that Yulai's power is slipping. I'll agree with you on one thing though amarrian.. Midular is not the leader the republic needs. Role on a time I can claim my 1isk from maggot :) Yes because it was minmatar ships being destroyed without provocation and for no apparent reason...oh wait, no it wasn't, it was ours. "His Will Be Done"
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Sapphrine mmm, perhaps read a bit more carefully? Surely they teach you that in doctrine classes. The Minmatar republic do not have the ability to move capital ships into hi-sec, the same as any other group bound by Yulai directives. Actually, the Republic (along with the other major factions) does have the ability to deploy capital ships into high-sec space. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kharass Al'Quam Kinda'Shujaa Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Daziel Iaar Originally by: Sapphrine mmm, perhaps read a bit more carefully? Surely they teach you that in doctrine classes. The Minmatar republic do not have the ability to move capital ships into hi-sec, the same as any other group bound by Yulai directives. I have my suspicions on who these forces are controlled by but I suspect that Midular's assassination of Karishal Muritor is coming back to bite her in the arse. The defiants left and when they returned were much stronger and better equiped.... You have to wander who they found to work with :) Personally I see this more as a silent protest from a very much pro minmatar group against yulai's failure to curb increasing raids by amarrians into minmatar soverign space and also as a note that Yulai's power is slipping. I'll agree with you on one thing though amarrian.. Midular is not the leader the republic needs. Role on a time I can claim my 1isk from maggot :) Yes because it was minmatar ships being destroyed without provocation and for no apparent reason...oh wait, no it wasn't, it was ours. And? This has been comming a long time, long have the Amarr dictated Concord but it seems the brothers will do what they do. In the immortal words of the youngsters today "Today Yulai, Tomorrow Amarr." God is my Co-pilot
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:10:00 - [7] suprisingly enough other un-marked ships have been destroying slaver convoys in minmatar border space also..... what are the odds? :) If amarrians are going to come into minmatar space and sieze our citizens against their will, are you suprised when hauler convoys in highly suspect situations are destroyed? Far too long the Amarrian empire has gotten away with 'reclaiming' my minmatar brethren and the Republic has let them under Midulars rule... now suprisingly enough, people have disagreed with this stance and taken matters into their own hands. I promised Karishal Muritor that his vision would not be forgotten. His actions live on in those of Ushra'Khan, the Defiants and all other groups that choose to take an active stance in fighting slavery. Some say we're barbaric and that we should be far more temperate in our responses and let diplomacy take a turn. Diplomacy has had 100 years, its achieved... well i think the record is fairly clear. There are those that are richer ofc, their hands are steeped in blood of the innocents left enslaved. Senior people in the republic leadership have lost sight of the needs of the people. All the people, not just the small proportion currently free. All people deserve to be free. I hope the general uproar against midulars government and the support the people are showing for these valiant un-named warriors is taken note of.
Andre Ricard The Scope	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:17:00 - [8] This was just... bizzare, however. Capitals jump into a star system unopposed and then leave? Granted it wasn't the biggest fleet I've ever seen (most of the GS-BoB war stationbuster fleets were two dozen capitals or more) but why would the Minmatar of all people want to rattle sabers in front of CONCORD? This just seems... terribly random. ----- Character back under original management.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Andre Ricard This was just... bizzare, however. Capitals jump into a star system unopposed and then leave? Granted it wasn't the biggest fleet I've ever seen (most of the GS-BoB war stationbuster fleets were two dozen capitals or more) but why would the Minmatar of all people want to rattle sabers in front of CONCORD? This just seems... terribly random. Unless they were simply stopping by on their way to somewhere else... Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Stitcher Duty.	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:21:00 - [10] Well, if the intent was to undermine the credibility of CONCORD as a peacekeeping organization, I'd say they've done a damn good job. Mean as those DED ships may be, I don't think they'd have fared too well against a task group sporting that kind of firepower. My question is, why Yulai? I can only assume that it was a demonstration to the effect that, whoever these people are, they are able to deploy military assets on a staggering scale anywhere within civilized space, with impunity. Which is worrying news. I don't trust anybody who has that kind of power, and then goes and actually uses it. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Gaius Proeliator Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:22:00 - [11] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Andre Ricard This was just... bizzare, however. Capitals jump into a star system unopposed and then leave? Granted it wasn't the biggest fleet I've ever seen (most of the GS-BoB war stationbuster fleets were two dozen capitals or more) but why would the Minmatar of all people want to rattle sabers in front of CONCORD? This just seems... terribly random. Unless they were simply stopping by on their way to somewhere else... Just stopping by, and just HAPPEN to arrange themselves in an offensive formation? Refusing communication? I agree that this is very odd indeed. - Gaius Proeliator
Davlos Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.30 14:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Sapphrine I have my suspicions on who these forces are controlled by but I suspect that Midular's assassination of Karishal Muritor is coming back to bite her in the arse. Sure... everything that happens is because of a dead man and a conspiracy. I recommend you to have your cognitive software checked out and updated. --- Originally by: Revan Neferis Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....
Natalcya Katla Astropolitan Front	Posted - 2008.05.30 14:07:00 - [13] We are not so easily intimidated. Stop acting as though CONCORD has been defeated. This was an insult, nothing more. I am confident it will be addressed in proper fashion, in its proper time and place.
Pliskkenn Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 14:41:00 - [14] I see they managed to find their friends then. Excellent. ---
Eyrines	Posted - 2008.05.30 14:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Scope Reporter To quote the Scope broadcast; "The sudden appearance of the fleet, their unknown origins, ability to jump capital ships into the most secure space in New Eden, and refusal to communicate has left the prestigious law enforcement agency scrambling for answers." Republic Fleet Dreadnoughts that have never been registered NEOCOM broadcast tags. Thukker vessels flying escort despite the well known antagonism with the Republic. Given that I have not heard of any recent thefts of Republic Fleet Capitols, and the volume at which anti-slaver pilots generally declare even the slightest victory, I cannot help but entertain the oddest of ideas. It's the drones. According to the leaked CONCORD documents, they have proven able to override and make use of locked stargates before, therefore cynosural fields are certainly within their abilities. Given the proximity of the Drone Regions to the Matari, it is not unlikely that the majority of fleet presences they have encountered have been of Republic or Thukker vessels. Were they able to faithfully reproduce ships that they have observed in 0.0, (and it is not that unfeasible) it is possible that they do not recognize the significance of the differing insignias. Though savvy enough to know that you'll never find a Revelation being escorted by Ruptures, in their eyes a minmatar-style ship is simply a minmatar-style ship. The insignias are overlooked. And so ofcourse all of the recent losses of Amarr vessels and the Yulai incident are part of the drones evil plan. The republic is but a poor victim in all of this. I really don't know how you carry on. You might think this a flight of fantasy, but it carries as much weight as most of the excuses you Matari apologists churn out. Come on. Let's hear another one.
Steiner Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:06:00 - [16] That is a very interesting theory Eyrines, very interesting and not so unlikely considering how inventive those drones are but lets face it, to start a war you have to get rid of the peace makers and someone is willing to go this far to get rid of them. After the reported CONCORD session which ousted the minmatar ambassador something in the republic (or Angles) is using this excuse to get things going there way. ---
Haakelen United Forces	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:13:00 - [17] Now, now. Let's not be hasty. From what I've gathered, Mr. Marelor, the ships did not commit any aggression against the CONCORD station. You cannot even definitively say that this was the doing of the Minmatar Republic. This isn't another Malkalen, no reason to make it out to be. Let the news unfold first. Although, if indeed the Republic Fleet is indeed flying with the Thukker and deploying capital assets into Yulai as a force demonstration, I might have to go back on my previous assessments on the usefulness of them as an ally.
Major Death Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:15:00 - [18] Quote: Come on. Let's hear another one. How about this one then? All tube children are preprogrammed to attack Gallente assets at the release of a spiked broadcast. My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!'
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Major Death How about this one then? All tube children are preprogrammed to attack Gallente assets at the release of a spiked broadcast. You see, the problem with that one is it's actually true. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
Shintoko Akahoshi Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.05.30 16:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Major Death How about this one then? All tube children are preprogrammed to attack Gallente assets at the release of a spiked broadcast. You see, the problem with that one is it's actually true. Now now, I'm a tube child, and I'm not preprogra... Oh, wait. Never mind... Shin's writings
Major Death Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.30 16:21:00 - [21] Quote: Now now, I'm a tube child, and I'm not preprogra... Oh, wait. Never mind... Scary isn't it. Everything you've done, everything you believe in and all your hopes and dreams, might be nothing more than preinstalled code from a Machiavellian scheme. STOP WATCHING THE SCOPE BROADCASTS! My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!'
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.30 16:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Davlos Originally by: Sapphrine I have my suspicions on who these forces are controlled by but I suspect that Midular's assassination of Karishal Muritor is coming back to bite her in the arse. Sure... everything that happens is because of a dead man and a conspiracy. I recommend you to have your cognitive software checked out and updated. and certainly not because they've been back and actively fighting in the bleaks for the past few months.... nooooooo... Hardly a conspiracy either given they said they'd come back :) You reap what you sow... Killing off a hero of the people made Karishal a Martyr and helped to kick start huge public support for a less passive Minmatar stance with regard to our still enslaved brothers. The people are speaking, and they're not very happy with midular and her cronies... I don't see her holding her head for much longer.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.30 16:59:00 - [23] I would implore everyone to remain calm while we await for more information. My personal guess is that based on current information, the "Republican" part of the Fleet of Yulai is most likely the Defiants, and that their time in Great Wildlands was not, after all, spent in vain. If so, this fleet is an enemy of us all, and the CONCORD nations turning against each other in search of a culprit will only work into their hands. Elsebeth Rhiannon Diplomat, Electus Matari Citizen of the Republic -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Jonny Damordred Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:08:00 - [24] Damnit. As I watched the feed of the incident, all I could think was: Push the button already! Kill'em all, you Matari saints. Then they left, how disappointing. Cheers, Jonny D. ------------------------- CEO and Professor of Gunboat Diplomacy
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon If so, this fleet is an enemy of us all Only those of us who have a vested interest in seeing the continuation of CONCORD and the propping up of the outmoded systems of government that the DED protects. For others it is a beacon of hope. ---
Kyoko Sakoda Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.30 19:44:00 - [26] I believe they would need a larger force than 12 dreadnoughts to deal lasting damage to that facility, Mr. Damordred. That being said, bringing together more capitals can't be that hard for them (just ask the capsuleers), and I was kind of thinking the same thing. Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Nachshon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.30 19:48:00 - [27] My reaction can be summed up thusly: WHAT THE FRACK JUST HAPPENED IN YULAI?! First of all, there's the question of who is behind this. I for one would believe Midular, indicating that the Fleet is not behind this. Maybe the Thukkers - do they have the ability to jump cap ships into hi-sec? But beyond that, there is the question of WHY? ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom My v
Steph Wing Electro Fuels	Posted - 2008.05.30 19:53:00 - [28] Edited by: Steph Wing on 30/05/2008 19:55:27 I can't help but wonder at the strategic thinking behind this incident. Consider: Suppose you had a super-secret armada of Republic Fleet and Thukker Tribe warships. Why announce your presence by jumping into the most heavily-defended system in New Eden, and then simply bugger off? Why commit your force and lose the element of surprise unless you plan to attack? PARTICULARLY if you have the ability to jump capital ships into high-security space, something which I have NEVER previously seen done by an independant party let alone one not registered with NEOCOM. Militarily, this move makes no sense. It's bad strategy. It could be seen as political posturing or a show of force, but no party has yet claimed ownership of the mystery armada; in fact, Republic and Thukker officials have actively denied any involvement in this whole fiasco. I would think that a show of force would require one to actually introduce oneself, thus, politically, this move makes no sense either. All it's accomplished is a heightened alertness from CONCORD and the major powers, and I have a hard time believing THAT was the goal.
Jonny Damordred Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda I believe they would need a larger force than 12 dreadnoughts to deal lasting damage to that facility, Mr. Damordred. That being said, bringing together more capitals can't be that hard for them (just ask the capsuleers), and I was kind of thinking the same thing. All you need is one. Just ask Ishukone. Cheers, Jonny D. ------------------------- CEO and Professor of Gunboat Diplomacy
Kyoko Sakoda Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:12:00 - [30] Ishukone allowed the Nyx to get quite close to the station, possibly as a symbolic gesture. Reviewing the video feed, it looks like this fleet couldn't get close enough to the station at jump in. That means any suicidal attack would likely fail. I've always preferred brute force, anyway. Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Nebulous The Flaming Sideburn's Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:15:00 - [31] As much as the republic and it's supporters hate to admit it they really need the Thukker tribe on side in these times of tension, the threat of war breathes down the republic's neck and they would do well to make freinds with the most techonologicaly advanced minmatar tribe. -----------------
Julianus Soter The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:16:00 - [32] And so, as the news reports seem to confirm, left with a symbolic gesture. A threat, presumably against the Assembly to stay in their systems and out of the coming conflict. Yun has certainly become a powerful personality. --- This post is not the official statement of my alliance or corporation.
Zapp Brenigan Terran Resurrection	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:28:00 - [33] Edited by: Zapp Brenigan on 30/05/2008 20:36:55 Edited by: Zapp Brenigan on 30/05/2008 20:28:47 There is an ancient military sawing that goes,"Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is enemy action." 1. The Malkalen 'Incident'. 2. The combined Federation-Republic Operation 'Brotherhood'. 3. 'Unknown' Fleet in Yulai, made up of Republic and Thukker ships. Now many of you are saying, SO WHAT? Well, lets think about it. 1. Create an 'Incident' which will rid you of figures that would stand in your way (The Caldari/Gallente peace delegations and the CEO of Ishukone)and create and atmosphere of intense distrust and chaos. The power vacuum left by th loss of prominent figures from both parties will now most likely be filled by people who will thrive and feed the hate of this new reality(i.e. Heth). And remember deny everything. 2. Exercise your military might, intensify your training, create a combined chain of command with your allies. At the same time sow more distrust and discord in one opposing party in the hopes that they will lash out. This will hopefully cause the opposing party to be looked upon unfavorably by their allies and neutral third parties. Keep denying anything is out of the ordinary. 3. Test the will of any 'neutral' third parties. Figure out how they will react, and make sure they will not enter the coming fray on the opposing side. If I were in the Amarr or Caldari command I would be preparing. It looks like your about to have guests for dinner.
Redbad TSL Wolfpack	Posted - 2008.05.30 21:21:00 - [34] I'll just say: Don't doubt the Tribal bonds and honour. RB
Jahah Smith Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.30 21:47:00 - [35] Did anyone else notice that the non capitols used the jump portal to move into Yulai, this would suggest that there was a Titan class ship with the unknown fleet (I would guess a Ragnarok) within 5 Light Years of the system. That there is a Titan in this unkown fleet is a worry to say the least, but I do not know of another way to move non capitols through a portal without a Jump Bridge Array, does anyone else?
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.05.30 22:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Jahah Smith Did anyone else notice that the non capitols used the jump portal to move into Yulai, this would suggest that there was a Titan class ship with the unknown fleet (I would guess a Ragnarok) within 5 Light Years of the system. That there is a Titan in this unkown fleet is a worry to say the least, but I do not know of another way to move non capitols through a portal without a Jump Bridge Array, does anyone else? as an educated minmatar pilto i must say. ITs CAPITAL!!! not CAPITOL!!! ANCIENT EARTH buildings have no place on modern fleet warfare! Also the fact that Thukker Mix have titans at its disposal is well known, sicne they are among other things prime weapons builders.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.30 23:08:00 - [37] I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. There were no shots fired, no reported casualties, and generally no harm done. Perhaps the capital fleet in question was merely sightseeing, and decided to stop by and pay their respect to CONCORD for all of the fine work they've done. Now if they'd appeared in front of the Emperor's Family Academy, then you might have some cause for concern. Briefly. -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.05.30 23:52:00 - [38] Originally by: Becq Starforged Now if they'd appeared in front of the Emperor's Family Academy, then you might have some cause for concern. Briefly. Oh, a man can dream. A man can dream. But not quite as good, I wager, as you, Becq. Here's hoping, eh? ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
Maximillian Brion Beholder Project	Posted - 2008.05.31 02:07:00 - [39] Personally, I think it wasn't a show of force. If the Thukkers wanted that, we'd have another Ishukone on our hands, or something worse. I believe they wanted to point out how ineffective CONCORD had become in maintaining peace and stability in the Empire since its creation. Then there's the question how can such a big fleet jump into one of the most secure systems in the Republic? In my opinion, they were trying to say: If we can do it, so can the Amarr, Caldari and who knows who else. Be happy we were the first and we didn't shoot. As a Minmatar, seeing Thukker and Republic forces working together... it makes me extremely happy. Old grudges should be set aside if we are to hold back our enemies from enslaving us again. Maximillian Brion --- The only good Amarrian is a DEAD Amarrian...
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.31 02:39:00 - [40] I have a strong feeling I know the origin of this fleet. Of course it might not be as simple as this but sometimes the most obvious answer is the correct one. Karishal and the Defiants under his command took control of substantial Republic Fleet assets including a large number of capital class ships. The Defiants, with some help from us and other Matari warriors, destroyed that Amarr Battlestation (the first to be taken out since the uprising). In response Midular had Karishal assassinated. The Defiants took their fleet to ground in the Great Wildlands. Home of the Thukker Tribe and the old hidaway of that other famous Defiant freedom fighter, Malaetu Shakor. The Defiants have since resurfaced to bring the fight to the Saracens in the occupied territory of The Bleak Lands. While they decimate the Saracen battlegroups raiders units, including ours, systematically dismantle the Amarr infrastructure. What vessels have we seen in use there? the Nomad and the Panther. Thukker designed ships. The Thukker are experts with jump drive technology and the Defiants had high level access to secure systems such as those needed to open jump portals in DED controlled systems. After all, they are ex-Fleet. Of course I could be wrong but I know who I would put my ISK on. While there are some in the Republic who choose to view this Matari fleet as a threat I am sure there are many more that see it as a clarion call to stand as one and finally take back our land and our people. For those in the Republic uncertain and undecided I will quote to you what Karishal said to me when I chose to leave the Republic and follow him out to the rim. Quote: 2006.07.09 22:39 The choice you have made, it is not an easy one. I know that only too well. However, you have done what you believe to be right, in your heart. And in the end, this is what i believe we must all follow. I will speak to you soon brother, Fly Free. Karishal Muritor
Vladimir Titov Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2008.05.31 02:52:00 - [41] Edited by: Vladimir Titov on 31/05/2008 02:52:13 When I viewed the feed from the Scope telecast, only one word could describe the feeling that swept over me: Pride.
Dionisius The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.05.31 02:59:00 - [42] Originally by: Zapp Brenigan Edited by: Zapp Brenigan on 30/05/2008 20:36:55 Edited by: Zapp Brenigan on 30/05/2008 20:28:47 There is an ancient military sawing that goes,"Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is enemy action." 1. The Malkalen 'Incident'. 2. The combined Federation-Republic Operation 'Brotherhood'. 3. 'Unknown' Fleet in Yulai, made up of Republic and Thukker ships. Now many of you are saying, SO WHAT? Well, lets think about it. 1. Create an 'Incident' which will rid you of figures that would stand in your way (The Caldari/Gallente peace delegations and the CEO of Ishukone)and create and atmosphere of intense distrust and chaos. The power vacuum left by th loss of prominent figures from both parties will now most likely be filled by people who will thrive and feed the hate of this new reality(i.e. Heth). And remember deny everything. 2. Exercise your military might, intensify your training, create a combined chain of command with your allies. At the same time sow more distrust and discord in one opposing party in the hopes that they will lash out. This will hopefully cause the opposing party to be looked upon unfavorably by their allies and neutral third parties. Keep denying anything is out of the ordinary. 3. Test the will of any 'neutral' third parties. Figure out how they will react, and make sure they will not enter the coming fray on the opposing side. If I were in the Amarr or Caldari command I would be preparing. It looks like your about to have guests for dinner. A very good and accurate point. _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief.
3ll3 Tranquillity Nation	Posted - 2008.05.31 04:07:00 - [43] Edited by: 3ll3 on 31/05/2008 04:15:05 This is madness, I could understand why a fleet of Matari vessels would attack Ammarian staions but to threaten a Concord Station? I mean their the police their not enemies of the Republic they Serve and Protect in Republic space keeping it safe for all of us who dwell in High Security Areas. Things are despratly starting to get out of hand @_@
Dionisius The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.05.31 04:18:00 - [44] Originally by: 3ll3 Edited by: 3ll3 on 31/05/2008 04:15:05 This is madness, I could understand why a fleet of Matari vessels would attack Ammarian staions but to threaten a Concord Station? I mean their the police their not enemies of the Republic they Serve and Protect in Republic space keeping it safe for all of us who dwell in High Security Areas. Things are despratly starting to get out of hand @_@ Mr.3ll3 , who said that the crews were of Matari origin? _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief.
3ll3 Tranquillity Nation	Posted - 2008.05.31 04:41:00 - [45] Here's where But What's that Keitan Yun up to, even with Capital Ships it's still a dumb idea to Cross Concord @_@ Um do Concord have Capital Ships of their own?
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.31 04:59:00 - [46] Sometimes the most obvious answer is the correct one, sometimes it is not. We certainly live in interesting times.
Dionisius The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.05.31 05:20:00 - [47] Originally by: 3ll3 Here's where But What's that Keitan Yun up to, even with Capital Ships it's still a dumb idea to Cross Concord @_@ Um do Concord have Capital Ships of their own? Mr. 3ll3, the scope states that the armada maybe conected to a Minmatar Ambassator, and their source is unknown. So at best we know that someone with knowledge of Minmatar Starship Engeneering and how to bypass the capital jump drives blockade is the one behined this. Now how many of us aren't privy with ship builders?Its comon amongst capsuleers to know this kind of information about ship details, even regular citizens that specialize in the field of starship building have to know this kind of schematics. Now the latter we know that Concord Officials at best know the way to surpass the blockade and how to supress transponder codes. Hmm, i wonder if someone inside the DED is the actual perpetrator behind all this... _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.31 09:02:00 - [48] So much saber rattling and bongo abuse from the federates and the tribals. Be careful what you wish for, you may choke on it. ----------------------------------------------
Masu'di Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.05.31 10:23:00 - [49] The fleet was just passing through our HQ so could pick up some combat boosters. Old animosities will be put aside to fight the Amarrians and the Nefantar traitors.
Redbad TSL Wolfpack	Posted - 2008.05.31 10:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Gaius Kador So much saber rattling and bongo abuse from the federates and the tribals. Be careful what you wish for, you may choke on it. I'd rather choke on my own words then being forced to speak yours. RB
Rawr Cristina Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.31 10:28:00 - [51] Oh, and there I was hoping they'd engage. It's too bad they were fully aware how suicidal that would be; I love watching those scrapheaps come apart. ...
Demitria Fernir Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.05.31 10:48:00 - [52] The CONCORD Assembly was surely caught unprepared. Who would ever think of a Minmatar Fleet jumping in Yulai System without anyone noticing? CONCORD has lost some of his fame, but the Firepower the Assembly can Arrange must not be forgotten, remember that is CONCORD officers that keeps the "High Security" in High Security Systems. In a concentrated action, CONCORD could actually wipe out a capital fleet of double or even quadruple number, without much losses. The show of force in Yulai is just a taunt for CONCORD, Minmatars should stop playing with fire. Really. 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001
Redbad TSL Wolfpack	Posted - 2008.05.31 10:55:00 - [53] Originally by: Demitria Fernir The CONCORD Assembly was surely caught unprepared. Who would ever think of a Minmatar Fleet jumping in Yulai System without anyone noticing? CONCORD has lost some of his fame, but the Firepower the Assembly can Arrange must not be forgotten, remember that is CONCORD officers that keeps the "High Security" in High Security Systems. In a concentrated action, CONCORD could actually wipe out a capital fleet of double or even quadruple number, without much losses. The show of force in Yulai is just a taunt for CONCORD, Minmatars should stop playing with fire. Really. No, its not a taunt, its a statement: The tribes are united. RB
Archbishop PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.31 12:26:00 - [54] Indeed all of these "accidents and incidents" seem to point in the direction of a Gallente plot to destabilize the peace that has reigned in the Empires recently. Why would the Gallente do this? Why would they foster an environment of war, distrust and hatred? Well as they're the race of no moral character or decency I guess if anyone would do such a thing it would be the Gallente. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS
Daelin Blackleaf Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.31 13:16:00 - [55] CONCORD are happy to come out to distant 0.0 and harass the outlaw factions, they're ecstatic at the idea of turning up in huge numbers to blow up people who look at each other funny, but as soon as a reasonable force manages to break through whatever security system they use to restrict jump-ins in empire they cower in their station and refuse to undock. While supposedly necessary to stop you lot from tearing each other apart, one wonders just how effective they'd if an empire decided to do something completely underhand like say... repeatedly blow up your industrials, allow "rogue" military personnel to run wild, or crash a mothership into a station. ---------------------------- Originally by: CCP Subscription I'm sorry Sir your European I'll have to charge you 58% extra
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.05.31 13:36:00 - [56] Originally by: Redbad Originally by: Demitria Fernir The CONCORD Assembly was surely caught unprepared. Who would ever think of a Minmatar Fleet jumping in Yulai System without anyone noticing? CONCORD has lost some of his fame, but the Firepower the Assembly can Arrange must not be forgotten, remember that is CONCORD officers that keeps the "High Security" in High Security Systems. In a concentrated action, CONCORD could actually wipe out a capital fleet of double or even quadruple number, without much losses. The show of force in Yulai is just a taunt for CONCORD, Minmatars should stop playing with fire. Really. No, its not a taunt, its a statement: The tribes are united. RB The question is.. under the leadership of who? Also to the ones that think this is a simple demonstration that empires can surpass the cyno jamming capabilities of concord. And that anyuone coudl do it. You are being to naive! Thukkers are the master minds on jump drive technology, beign way more advanced than any other group, safe possibly jove empire, if someone can do it, woudl be them. BUt that don 't make other empire capable! That coudl be a huge turn point in the balance of power! Specially if you pay attention in 2 small details. All ships jumped in system, not only capitals. That is OK, Thukker fleet coudl have a ragnarok class ship at start point of that jump. But 15 mintues alter all ships jumped OUT! YEs. naglfar jumepd out, but TEMPESTS jumped out as well, typhoons, ruptures etc!! andt here was no titan in Yulai. So how that fleet managed that? If thukkers have developed a new and more advanced mechanism of jump bridges that allow such a fleet to move without the need of a titan into and out of a hostile system. That pretty much might means that there is a new big fish in new eden waters! And for surely I am glad that big fish is one of matariboiling blood type.
Stitcher Duty.	Posted - 2008.05.31 13:45:00 - [57] Jump bridge technology is getting smaller and more commonplace anyway. Just look at commercial "Black Ops" battleships. The Thukkers are acknowledged masters at getting whole caravans of ships about the place in relative ease. I doubt that outfitting those Naglfars and Tempests with jump bridges of their own would be beyond their abilities. That said, while they may have been the first to do it, let's not fool ourselves - there are lots of other groups who could do it as well. Rhoden, Khanid Innovations, Lai Dai, Ishukone... they all have the technical know-how to be able to pull something like that off. What sets the Thukkers apart is that they're the only group, thus far, who had a reason. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Kagura Nikon Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.31 14:09:00 - [58] Originally by: Stitcher Jump bridge technology is getting smaller and more commonplace anyway. Just look at commercial "Black Ops" battleships. The Thukkers are acknowledged masters at getting whole caravans of ships about the place in relative ease. I doubt that outfitting those Naglfars and Tempests with jump bridges of their own would be beyond their abilities. That said, while they may have been the first to do it, let's not fool ourselves - there are lots of other groups who could do it as well. Rhoden, Khanid Innovations, Lai Dai, Ishukone... they all have the technical know-how to be able to pull something like that off. What sets the Thukkers apart is that they're the only group, thus far, who had a reason. I think you overestiamte the capability of copying technology that empires might have. The current state where all 4 empires technologies are match3ed is exaclty due to concord regulations that demand that to deploy a new technology on line ships the developer must provide at least enough knowledge on how to replicate it so that the balance among the 4 empires is kep. The current black ops technology was developed by thukkers as well as the modern jump freighters, all with licensed technology to the other groups. I really doubt that on curretn almost war state of relations Thukkers have deliberately also passed technology on how to jump out a huge fleet without the usage of a titan jump bridge. This was not a demonstration fo force wasa demonstration of technology and a mesage of, "you can't hide from us" ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Redbad TSL Wolfpack	Posted - 2008.05.31 14:17:00 - [59] Originally by: Archbishop Indeed all of these "accidents and incidents" seem to point in the direction of a Gallente plot to destabilize the peace that has reigned in the Empires recently. Why would the Gallente do this? Why would they foster an environment of war, distrust and hatred? Well as they're the race of no moral character or decency I guess if anyone would do such a thing it would be the Gallente. Archbishop Ask your next emperor, I'm sure he can answer a question or two about it. RB
Andre Ricard The Scope	Posted - 2008.05.31 14:30:00 - [60] Edited by: Andre Ricard on 31/05/2008 14:30:24 As an aside, as a man who has participated in mass jumps of 40+ capital ships I found this account of the incident darkly amusing. People in the inner sphere really have no idea anymore what modern warfare is like. Also, I found this to be generally amusing. The Empire a vessel of peace, indeed. ----- Character back under original management.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.31 14:49:00 - [61] The last two Emperors have been preaching the Pax Amarr. They lead, we follow. A vessel of peace indeed. ----------------------------------------------
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.05.31 16:05:00 - [62] Did Gaius Kador just disown the legacy of all the Emperors that came before the last two? I had no idea you thought so little of the Reclaiming, dear. Might want to keep that opinion to yourself though, I hear some of your masters still take it quite seriously indeed. They may even want you to "follow" on it someday. Besides, we wouldn't want to be claiming to be all peace-loving when we'll wage war at the drop of a hat now, would we?
Stitcher Duty.	Posted - 2008.05.31 16:05:00 - [63] Originally by: Kagura Nikon I think you overestiamte the capability of copying technology that empires might have. And I think you underestimate the ingenuity and intelligence of ship designers. Once something has been proven to be possible, it can be imitated. With enough money, manpower and minds devoted to a problem, the solution is only a matter of time. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.31 17:05:00 - [64] Originally by: Kai Zion Did Gaius Kador just disown the legacy of all the Emperors that came before the last two? I had no idea you thought so little of the Reclaiming, dear. Might want to keep that opinion to yourself though, I hear some of your masters still take it quite seriously indeed. They may even want you to "follow" on it someday. Besides, we wouldn't want to be claiming to be all peace-loving when we'll wage war at the drop of a hat now, would we? Die vermin. ----------------------------------------------
Stitcher Duty.	Posted - 2008.05.31 17:40:00 - [65] You have to admit, he's a past master of the glib comeback... - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Fay DeLion	Posted - 2008.05.31 20:26:00 - [66] LOL Looks like some Minmatar gave a Capital middle finger to CONCORD. That's just precious. What's the matter? Are the Ammar scared?
Solusar Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.01 01:41:00 - [67] Edited by: Solusar on 01/06/2008 01:41:41 Originally by: Fay DeLion LOL Looks like some Minmatar gave a Capital middle finger to CONCORD. That's just precious. What's the matter? Are the Ammar scared? Congratulations on getting your capsuleer licence 8 days ago although perhaps learning abit more about intergalactic politics before embarking on your career would be a wise choice. This "task force" would not be a threat to any established capsuleer force so it being considered a threat to the Imperial Navy is laughable. Perhaps they can find some more ships before they show their faces again. Warmongering from those trying to send the galaxy back into chaos is all this is. They need to check their hands before they make their play.
Fay DeLion	Posted - 2008.06.01 02:07:00 - [68] Edited by: Fay DeLion on 01/06/2008 02:08:47 Originally by: Solusar Edited by: Solusar on 01/06/2008 01:41:41 Congratulations on getting your capsuleer licence 8 days ago although perhaps learning abit more about intergalactic politics before embarking on your career would be a wise choice. This "task force" would not be a threat to any established capsuleer force so it being considered a threat to the Imperial Navy is laughable. Perhaps they can find some more ships before they show their faces again. Warmongering from those trying to send the galaxy back into chaos is all this is. They need to check their hands before they make their play. LOL maybe you should go back to sniffing more of that incense. Just beacuse I got my capsuleer license 8 days ago does not mean I haven't been paying attention. Since CVA holds 0.0 space for the Ammar empire, maybe you should focus on that rather then my career choice. The task force was symbolic. 1st jumping into Yulai like that & 2nd, which you failed to recognize, was what was behind the "jump tunnel". I could only imagine what. Oh & having slaves is like so 500 years ago. Please evolve already.
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.06.01 11:05:00 - [69] Originally by: Solusar Edited by: Solusar on 01/06/2008 01:41:41 Originally by: Fay DeLion LOL Looks like some Minmatar gave a Capital middle finger to CONCORD. That's just precious. What's the matter? Are the Ammar scared? Congratulations on getting your capsuleer licence 8 days ago although perhaps learning abit more about intergalactic politics before embarking on your career would be a wise choice. This "task force" would not be a threat to any established capsuleer force so it being considered a threat to the Imperial Navy is laughable. Perhaps they can find some more ships before they show their faces again. Warmongering from those trying to send the galaxy back into chaos is all this is. They need to check their hands before they make their play. The imperial navy itself woudl not be a threat to the major powerblocks of capsuleer alliances, so your point is? A pack of 15 dreadnaughts and support that is able to freely jump in and out of systems ( speciaql attention to jump out support) is a threat to anyone sicen they can land and wipe a station or planet from orbit before any response force is assembled. I have no doubts tht after a few days of huntign the imperial navy woudl finnaly ambush them and overhelm them, but the point is they coudl kill billions before that.
Jack Rowanburn Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.01 11:46:00 - [70] Edited by: Jack Rowanburn on 01/06/2008 11:48:39 It seems too much of a coincidence that the incident in Malkalen and the incident in Yulai are not linked. A third party, given enough time and money, could well aquire all of the information required to make ships appear to be that of another fleet. History has shown that there are those who will provoke war by making one faction believe they have been attacked by another. Also, how do we know that the ships that jumped into Yulai were the entire fleet? Is it not feasable that this was part of a larger force that we did not see. ------------- Freedom is the right of all sentient species - Optimus Prime
Stitcher Duty.	Posted - 2008.06.01 12:05:00 - [71] Originally by: Solusar This "task force" would not be a threat to any established capsuleer force so it being considered a threat to the Imperial Navy is laughable. Perhaps they can find some more ships before they show their faces again. Unfortunately for the Imperial Navy, most Minmatar (I won't say Republic) officers tend to prefer not to engage a powerful foe head-on. With the Minmatar, it's always about slipping in round the side, doing a lot of damage to a vulnerable bit, then escaping again before the hive's had time to get really angry. Their victories tend to be small, but signficant. The Imperial Navy, it has to be said, is a bit less subtle. Its power and might can't be denied, but its response time is somewhat less admirable. I dread to think just how much damage eleven Naglfars could do if they found a nice, poorly-protected planet to hit. Those quad howitzers aren't popguns, and neither are the citadel torpedoes. With that kind of jump drive technology, they could arrive, comfortably erase a couple of cities, and leave long before the Imperial response could mobilize. In a straight-up fight, sure, the Empire wouldn't have much trouble. But you'd have more luck trying to juggle water than in drawing a competent Minmatar commander into a straight-up fight. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Solusar Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.01 15:23:00 - [72] Thankyou Mr Stitcher and Mr Seishomaru for agreeing with my point that this is nothing more than a bunch of warmongerers trying to start a war they couldn't possibly fight themselves.
Nachshon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.01 17:38:00 - [73] You know, maybe this wasn't a threat to CONCORD at all. Maybe it was something more sinister - a practice run. The people behind this (probably Thukkers) now know they can jump into hisec. They might go after another system - maybe even Amarr Prime. Hitting Yulai was just to confuse everyone. Anyway, I will admit that I felt pride as I saw that fleet. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom My v
Stitcher Duty.	Posted - 2008.06.01 18:39:00 - [74] Edited by: Stitcher on 01/06/2008 18:41:30 Originally by: Solusar Thankyou Mr Stitcher and Mr Seishomaru for agreeing with my point that this is nothing more than a bunch of warmongerers trying to start a war they couldn't possibly fight themselves. Woah, hold on there, pal. I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth that I haven't spoken. I'm not supporting your point - I'm just appraising the facts that I can see. I don't think we have enough evidence - yet - to be able to definitively say "this is what is going on". I get the impression a lot of events are going on behind closed doors that we - the freelance capsuleer elite - are not privy to. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.

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