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Stampede
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.01 18:41:00 -
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I'm going to be coming back to Eve, but I've been trying to catch up on everything that has changed since I last played in 2003. Clearly, a great deal has happened. The new lingo is hard to penetrate.
Anyway, my setup on my old Thorax is below. A few questions
1) Are hybrids still viable for pve/pvp? Going to be working on getting up to T2 - gotta stick to T1 for now.
2) I get the sense that I should throw some plating on my ship. Is 800mm overdoing it?
Any other thoughts?
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Akuma Tsukai
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Posted - 2008.06.01 18:44:00 -
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no pictue :) 1 - yes yes and yes again. 2 - its underdoing it . 1600 all the way if you are not nanoed. ---- Drones eat everything. Trust me. |
Barbens
Sky Net Industries Pure.
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Posted - 2008.06.01 18:47:00 -
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Blasters Up top, MWD Web Scram in the middle, Medium armor rep in teh bottom with a plate, or damage mods, and 5 med drones in the bay and you've got a viable thorax. Also check out the ship fittings sticky.
BaRbEnS
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Stampede
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.01 18:47:00 -
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Thanks for the advice. Pic should be working now
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Euriti
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.06.01 18:48:00 -
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Either:
1600mm plate MAR II EANM/MFS EANM/MFS DCU
mwd point web
5x light neutrons
or
800mm MAR EANM/MFS EANM/MFS DCU
MWD Web Point
5x Medium electrons
Or
1600mm plate RCU EANM/MFS EANM/MFS DCU
mwd point web
5x medium electrons
or
MFS MFS MFS RCU/MFS DCU
MWD point web
Medium Neutrons/ions
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Stampede
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.01 18:50:00 -
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Wow. So many responses so quickly. Thanks very much.
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Mr Ignitious
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.01 18:54:00 -
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[Thorax, Rawr] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Hammerhead II x5
obviously you can use faction ammo. I realize you can't use T2 YET! but you should go for t2 medium blasters asap. The dps is decent, and the 1600 plate will let you last. If you really want, you can swap out the hammerheads for ecm drones, up to you. The T2 guns really make is shiny, and its not to uncommon to see plated thoraxes with small guns (as you cant fit much more with MWD and 1600 heh).
Hybrid weapons - Blasters are the shortest range available, but have highest dps potential Railguns are meh... use em for pve.
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TimMc
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.06.01 20:43:00 -
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ahahahaha interesting original setup.
But on topic, thorax is a cheap gank monster in pvp. Hybrid blasters are the most in-your-face dps gun in the game.
Standard setups have already been posted above.
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TheNooge
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Posted - 2008.06.01 20:50:00 -
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Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Valkyrie II x5 or Vespa EC-600 x5
requires AWU V or AWU IV and +3% pg implant. forget 1600 plate; 800 is good enough. 400-500 damage on guns alone depending on skills/implants.
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Maeltstome
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.01 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Ignitious [Thorax, Rawr] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Hammerhead II x5
obviously you can use faction ammo. I realize you can't use T2 YET! but you should go for t2 medium blasters asap. The dps is decent, and the 1600 plate will let you last. If you really want, you can swap out the hammerheads for ecm drones, up to you. The T2 guns really make is shiny, and its not to uncommon to see plated thoraxes with small guns (as you cant fit much more with MWD and 1600 heh).
Hybrid weapons - Blasters are the shortest range available, but have highest dps potential Railguns are meh... use em for pve.
That's a bit horrid tbh :S - big guns or small guns. Choose. -------
[12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF |
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Stampede
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.02 00:01:00 -
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Looking at the medium "heavy electron blasters" I noticed that their damage modifier is very low. Is this made up for by ammo/fire rate?
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Culitza
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Posted - 2008.06.02 00:15:00 -
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800mm RTT plate energized adaptive nano membrane II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer x 2
10mn MWD t1 x5 web Warp Disruptor t2 or J5 (depending on CPU)
t1 heavy ions mixed with t1 heavy electrons ( fit electrons if fitting is tight)
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Wideen
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.02 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Ignitious [Thorax, Rawr] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Hammerhead II x5
obviously you can use faction ammo. I realize you can't use T2 YET! but you should go for t2 medium blasters asap. The dps is decent, and the 1600 plate will let you last. If you really want, you can swap out the hammerheads for ecm drones, up to you. The T2 guns really make is shiny, and its not to uncommon to see plated thoraxes with small guns (as you cant fit much more with MWD and 1600 heh).
Hybrid weapons - Blasters are the shortest range available, but have highest dps potential Railguns are meh... use em for pve.
Was gonna say "this" until I noticed the small guns Seen somewhere a 1600 plate rax with heavy electron II's. Do that one, it should be good enough. Fit rest like this guy - except the tiny tiny guns
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Wally Humpkins
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Posted - 2008.06.26 07:19:00 -
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Edited by: Wally Humpkins on 26/06/2008 07:19:03 I need help on a set-up almost solely for PVE.
For the highs I was gonna go either 5 limited neutron blasters, or 4 and a nos.
I need help with the mids. I was thinking a cap recharger, maybe a web, but I don't really know what to put here.
In the lows, I was thinking 2x magnetic stablilizers, A energized adaptive nano membrane, and maybe two hardners for the damage type. or maybe throw a medium armor repair on there?
For Drones, I am using 5 medium Hammerheads, but am thinking of switching some out for ECM? I don't fully understand ECM drones though, so if anyone could explain them more, and if they are helpful in a setup for PVE.
I don't really know what to use for the tanking part, as I'm still getting comfortable with picking out stuff to tank well. This is all for PVE, mission running and some ratting.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.26 07:38:00 -
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There is only one correct Thorax setup for PvP. Ignore all other suggestions, unless you want to give people comedy killmails.
[Thorax, The Correct Thorax (tm)] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Hammerhead II x5
Ignore the people who tell you to put a plate on a T1 cruiser. With the pathetic resists, limited number of slots, and T1 base resists of a T1 Cruiser, the difference between base HP and a "tank" setup is essentially nothing. A plate will just let you die in 10 seconds instead of 5 seconds against anything other than a ratting Caracal. Meanwhile, you give up the one thing the Thorax is halfway decent at: doing huge amounts of dps to a target.
So in short: fit full gank, and just kill the target before it can even get a lock on you.
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RDemon
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Posted - 2008.06.26 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Culitza 800mm RTT plate energized adaptive nano membrane II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer x 2
10mn MWD t1 x5 web Warp Disruptor t2 or J5 (depending on CPU)
t1 heavy ions mixed with t1 heavy electrons ( fit electrons if fitting is tight)
This, only then make the MWD and the guns TECH II, with a 3% power grid implant you can fit 4 ions and one electron.
Trust me, this is THE setup. Make sure you have 5 vespa ecm 600 in your dronebay for small gang, hammerhead if you have ECM support (<falcon,rook, scorp, bb)
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RDemon
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Posted - 2008.06.26 08:14:00 -
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Edited by: RDemon on 26/06/2008 08:14:32
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Ignore the people who tell you to put a plate on a T1 cruiser. With the pathetic resists, limited number of slots, and T1 base resists of a T1 Cruiser, the difference between base HP and a "tank" setup is essentially nothing. A plate will just let you die in 10 seconds instead of 5 seconds against anything other than a ratting Caracal. Meanwhile, you give up the one thing the Thorax is halfway decent at: doing huge amounts of dps to a target.
So in short: fit full gank, and just kill the target before it can even get a lock on you.
Dude! That plate and eanm/dcu almost tripple your eff hp. Thats always worth it in my book.
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Prometheus Exenthal
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.26 08:26:00 -
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[Thorax, 1600 MEDIUMS] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x2 Reactor Control Unit II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Electron Blaster II [CN Antimatter] x5
Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Hammerhead II x5 or Vespa EC-600 x5
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Gwendion
Bladed Moon Zzz
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Posted - 2008.06.26 12:00:00 -
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Slightly offtopic, but if the last time you played was 2003, and you dont have say, 30 million skillpoints, recreate your character. There have been changes in the character creation system that make old characters at a disadvantage. (Though seriously, anything under about 5m) just create a new char and go from there, you will be much better off. -----------------------------------
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tubelight
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.26 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Prometheus Exenthal [Thorax, 1600 MEDIUMS] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x2 Reactor Control Unit II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Electron Blaster II [CN Antimatter] x5
Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Hammerhead II x5 or Vespa EC-600 x5
This.
The objective of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his |
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Snow Banshee
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Posted - 2008.06.26 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: TheNooge Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Valkyrie II x5 or Vespa EC-600 x5
requires AWU V or AWU IV and +3% pg implant. forget 1600 plate; 800 is good enough. 400-500 damage on guns alone depending on skills/implants.
If you want pvp then ignore all people above and use this setup. heres some reasons:
1) if you wanna rep you must have high resistance , not many armour points. so "rep + plate = nonsense". Those who dont understant this simply statement are noobs.
2) mar??? and where is the cap to use it ????? have a mar fitted means you must have a battery or cap booster in a medium slot, but obviusly you cant fit it in a thorax ( mwd+web+scramble is a must. you realy cand change nothing here).
3) if you wanna use blasters then you must use damage mod to "kill before dye". Small turrets is a blasphemy on that ship
4) plates + dc2 give you a huge buffer before to die. If in that time you was not able to kill him, means simply that you cant kill him and no other setup could change the result.
5) ecm drones rocks!!!
my 2 cents .
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Fetchme
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Posted - 2008.06.26 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Fetchme on 26/06/2008 14:12:33
Originally by: Snow Banshee
Originally by: TheNooge Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Valkyrie II x5 or Vespa EC-600 x5
requires AWU V or AWU IV and +3% pg implant. forget 1600 plate; 800 is good enough. 400-500 damage on guns alone depending on skills/implants.
If you want pvp then ignore all people above and use this setup. heres some reasons:
1) if you wanna rep you must have high resistance , not many armour points. so "rep + plate = nonsense". Those who dont understant this simply statement are noobs.
2) mar??? and where is the cap to use it ????? have a mar fitted means you must have a battery or cap booster in a medium slot, but obviusly you cant fit it in a thorax ( mwd+web+scramble is a must. you realy cand change nothing here).
3) if you wanna use blasters then you must use damage mod to "kill before dye". Small turrets is a blasphemy on that ship
4) plates + dc2 give you a huge buffer before to die. If in that time you was not able to kill him, means simply that you cant kill him and no other setup could change the result.
5) ecm drones rocks!!!
my 2 cents .
The same as mine, only i swap one mag stab for an eanm for solo, and this for gangs.
Posted on my Alt, this is Rdemon
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.26 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 26/06/2008 21:31:08
Originally by: RDemon Dude! That plate and eanm/dcu almost tripple your eff hp. Thats always worth it in my book.
3x nothing is... let me see.... still nothing.
The plate lets you trade the only thing a Thorax is good for (insane dps for a T1 cruiser) for a "tank" that still won't survive anything bigger than a T1 frigate. There is absolutely no way to tank a T1 cruiser in any meaningful way, you will still instantly die against anything you can't kill within 30 seconds. Therefore any attempt to do so is a waste of perfectly good dps. Fit full-gank and do some damage before you die.
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Lilith Velkor
Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.06.27 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 27/06/2008 00:33:09
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
3x nothing is... let me see.... still nothing.
The plate lets you trade the only thing a Thorax is good for (insane dps for a T1 cruiser) for a "tank" that still won't survive anything bigger than a T1 frigate. There is absolutely no way to tank a T1 cruiser in any meaningful way, you will still instantly die against anything you can't kill within 30 seconds. Therefore any attempt to do so is a waste of perfectly good dps. Fit full-gank and do some damage before you die.
Thats not a good idea, if you want to win by sheer dps you need a decent buffer to put that dps to use.
Thorax works with a flight of ec-600 drones with pure gank fit, with superior speed and agility over the plate variant, but I'd say the plate is still the most viable fit in general (read: for most people).
Edit: if in a gang and not solo, by any means fit that 1600mm plate.
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HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE
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Posted - 2008.06.27 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE on 27/06/2008 11:46:31
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 26/06/2008 21:31:08
Originally by: RDemon Dude! That plate and eanm/dcu almost tripple your eff hp. Thats always worth it in my book.
3x nothing is... let me see.... still nothing.
The plate lets you trade the only thing a Thorax is good for (insane dps for a T1 cruiser) for a "tank" that still won't survive anything bigger than a T1 frigate. There is absolutely no way to tank a T1 cruiser in any meaningful way, you will still instantly die against anything you can't kill within 30 seconds. Therefore any attempt to do so is a waste of perfectly good dps. Fit full-gank and do some damage before you die.
Every full gank thorax will die to any other competent cruiser pilot, the plate really does a lot.
For gangs
3 heavy ion II 2 heavy electron II mwd web scram 3 mfs II 800 1 dc II
For solo
5 heavy electron II mwd web scram 2 mfs II 1 dc II 1600 1 rcu II 1 dmg rig 1 rof rig
Must have perfect skills to fit, or have a powergrid implant
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MITSUK0
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Posted - 2008.06.27 11:51:00 -
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ECM drones. Use them, love them, hope they dont nerf them.
Use electron blasters and big plate, standard mwd, web, scram mids and lots of dmg mods.
Rax is the best T1 cruiser for webrange/gate fighting. Watch out for ruptures in open space, they have speed and range advantage in most setups.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum TRUST Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.27 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin 3x nothing is... let me see.... still nothing.
The plate lets you trade the only thing a Thorax is good for (insane dps for a T1 cruiser) for a "tank" that still won't survive anything bigger than a T1 frigate. There is absolutely no way to tank a T1 cruiser in any meaningful way, you will still instantly die against anything you can't kill within 30 seconds. Therefore any attempt to do so is a waste of perfectly good dps. Fit full-gank and do some damage before you die.
With three times the EHP, you will last three times as long. There's no point doing 50% more damage if you only get to apply it for a third of the time - that is a waste of perfectly good DPS. In fact if we're assuming solo setups, then DPS / EHP would be a reasonably meaningful figure as a measure of how much total damage you're going to be able to put out before you die - if this number is greater than your opponent's EHP, you win. ECM drones obviously make this less clear, but in both directions still favour the setups with higher EHP.
So you'd be silly to make it paper-thin on the rational that it can't stand up to anything for long. If you couldn't kill it in 30 seconds with a plated setup, there's no way that you would have killed it in 10 seconds with a gank setup.
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Arcon Telf
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.06 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: TheNooge Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Valkyrie II x5 or Vespa EC-600 x5
requires AWU V or AWU IV and +3% pg implant. forget 1600 plate; 800 is good enough. 400-500 damage on guns alone depending on skills/implants.
Would anyone be willing to overview what kind of skills in general one would need to get this to 400+ DPS on guns alone? I've got decent gunnery and by my calculations would only get about 250 DPS from guns with this setup. This seems like an excellent setup, and one I will certainly experiment with...I'd love to be able to hit that DPS figure, but I'm kind of at a loss at to how... :-)
Thanks for any insights...
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Clueless Alt
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.07.06 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Arcon Telf
Would anyone be willing to overview what kind of skills in general one would need to get this to 400+ DPS on guns alone? I've got decent gunnery and by my calculations would only get about 250 DPS from guns with this setup. This seems like an excellent setup, and one I will certainly experiment with...I'd love to be able to hit that DPS figure. Would I basically need maxed skills up through T2? Is it that simple? ;-)
Thanks for any insights...
Got 405 with Caldari Navy AM, and support skill at 4 (+ gallente cruiser 4)
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Arcon Telf
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.06 06:19:00 -
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Thanks for any insights... Got 405 with Caldari Navy AM, and support skill at 4 (+ gallente cruiser 4)
Would you mind sharing your damage multiplier and rate of fire?
Thanks!
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