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Stampede Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.01 18:41:00 - [1] I'm going to be coming back to Eve, but I've been trying to catch up on everything that has changed since I last played in 2003. Clearly, a great deal has happened. The new lingo is hard to penetrate. Anyway, my setup on my old Thorax is below. A few questions 1) Are hybrids still viable for pve/pvp? Going to be working on getting up to T2 - gotta stick to T1 for now. 2) I get the sense that I should throw some plating on my ship. Is 800mm overdoing it? Any other thoughts?
Akuma Tsukai	Posted - 2008.06.01 18:44:00 - [2] no pictue :) 1 - yes yes and yes again. 2 - its underdoing it . 1600 all the way if you are not nanoed. ---- Drones eat everything. Trust me.
Barbens Sky Net Industries Pure.	Posted - 2008.06.01 18:47:00 - [3] Blasters Up top, MWD Web Scram in the middle, Medium armor rep in teh bottom with a plate, or damage mods, and 5 med drones in the bay and you've got a viable thorax. Also check out the ship fittings sticky. BaRbEnS
Stampede Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.01 18:47:00 - [4] Thanks for the advice. Pic should be working now
Euriti Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.01 18:48:00 - [5] Either: 1600mm plate MAR II EANM/MFS EANM/MFS DCU mwd point web 5x light neutrons or 800mm MAR EANM/MFS EANM/MFS DCU MWD Web Point 5x Medium electrons Or 1600mm plate RCU EANM/MFS EANM/MFS DCU mwd point web 5x medium electrons or MFS MFS MFS RCU/MFS DCU MWD point web Medium Neutrons/ions
Stampede Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.01 18:50:00 - [6] Wow. So many responses so quickly. Thanks very much.
Mr Ignitious R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.01 18:54:00 - [7] [Thorax, Rawr] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Hammerhead II x5 obviously you can use faction ammo. I realize you can't use T2 YET! but you should go for t2 medium blasters asap. The dps is decent, and the 1600 plate will let you last. If you really want, you can swap out the hammerheads for ecm drones, up to you. The T2 guns really make is shiny, and its not to uncommon to see plated thoraxes with small guns (as you cant fit much more with MWD and 1600 heh). Hybrid weapons - Blasters are the shortest range available, but have highest dps potential Railguns are meh... use em for pve.
TimMc Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.06.01 20:43:00 - [8] ahahahaha interesting original setup. But on topic, thorax is a cheap gank monster in pvp. Hybrid blasters are the most in-your-face dps gun in the game. Standard setups have already been posted above.
TheNooge	Posted - 2008.06.01 20:50:00 - [9] Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Valkyrie II x5 or Vespa EC-600 x5 requires AWU V or AWU IV and +3% pg implant. forget 1600 plate; 800 is good enough. 400-500 damage on guns alone depending on skills/implants.
Maeltstome Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Mr Ignitious [Thorax, Rawr] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Hammerhead II x5 obviously you can use faction ammo. I realize you can't use T2 YET! but you should go for t2 medium blasters asap. The dps is decent, and the 1600 plate will let you last. If you really want, you can swap out the hammerheads for ecm drones, up to you. The T2 guns really make is shiny, and its not to uncommon to see plated thoraxes with small guns (as you cant fit much more with MWD and 1600 heh). Hybrid weapons - Blasters are the shortest range available, but have highest dps potential Railguns are meh... use em for pve. That's a bit horrid tbh :S - big guns or small guns. Choose. ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Stampede Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.02 00:01:00 - [11] Looking at the medium "heavy electron blasters" I noticed that their damage modifier is very low. Is this made up for by ammo/fire rate?
Culitza	Posted - 2008.06.02 00:15:00 - [12] 800mm RTT plate energized adaptive nano membrane II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer x 2 10mn MWD t1 x5 web Warp Disruptor t2 or J5 (depending on CPU) t1 heavy ions mixed with t1 heavy electrons ( fit electrons if fitting is tight)
Wideen Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.02 05:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Mr Ignitious [Thorax, Rawr] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Hammerhead II x5 obviously you can use faction ammo. I realize you can't use T2 YET! but you should go for t2 medium blasters asap. The dps is decent, and the 1600 plate will let you last. If you really want, you can swap out the hammerheads for ecm drones, up to you. The T2 guns really make is shiny, and its not to uncommon to see plated thoraxes with small guns (as you cant fit much more with MWD and 1600 heh). Hybrid weapons - Blasters are the shortest range available, but have highest dps potential Railguns are meh... use em for pve. Was gonna say "this" until I noticed the small guns Seen somewhere a 1600 plate rax with heavy electron II's. Do that one, it should be good enough. Fit rest like this guy - except the tiny tiny guns
Wally Humpkins	Posted - 2008.06.26 07:19:00 - [14] Edited by: Wally Humpkins on 26/06/2008 07:19:03 I need help on a set-up almost solely for PVE. For the highs I was gonna go either 5 limited neutron blasters, or 4 and a nos. I need help with the mids. I was thinking a cap recharger, maybe a web, but I don't really know what to put here. In the lows, I was thinking 2x magnetic stablilizers, A energized adaptive nano membrane, and maybe two hardners for the damage type. or maybe throw a medium armor repair on there? For Drones, I am using 5 medium Hammerheads, but am thinking of switching some out for ECM? I don't fully understand ECM drones though, so if anyone could explain them more, and if they are helpful in a setup for PVE. I don't really know what to use for the tanking part, as I'm still getting comfortable with picking out stuff to tank well. This is all for PVE, mission running and some ratting.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.06.26 07:38:00 - [15] There is only one correct Thorax setup for PvP. Ignore all other suggestions, unless you want to give people comedy killmails. [Thorax, The Correct Thorax (tm)] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x5 Ignore the people who tell you to put a plate on a T1 cruiser. With the pathetic resists, limited number of slots, and T1 base resists of a T1 Cruiser, the difference between base HP and a "tank" setup is essentially nothing. A plate will just let you die in 10 seconds instead of 5 seconds against anything other than a ratting Caracal. Meanwhile, you give up the one thing the Thorax is halfway decent at: doing huge amounts of dps to a target. So in short: fit full gank, and just kill the target before it can even get a lock on you.
RDemon	Posted - 2008.06.26 08:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Culitza 800mm RTT plate energized adaptive nano membrane II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer x 2 10mn MWD t1 x5 web Warp Disruptor t2 or J5 (depending on CPU) t1 heavy ions mixed with t1 heavy electrons ( fit electrons if fitting is tight) This, only then make the MWD and the guns TECH II, with a 3% power grid implant you can fit 4 ions and one electron. Trust me, this is THE setup. Make sure you have 5 vespa ecm 600 in your dronebay for small gang, hammerhead if you have ECM support (<falcon,rook, scorp, bb)
RDemon	Posted - 2008.06.26 08:14:00 - [17] Edited by: RDemon on 26/06/2008 08:14:32 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Ignore the people who tell you to put a plate on a T1 cruiser. With the pathetic resists, limited number of slots, and T1 base resists of a T1 Cruiser, the difference between base HP and a "tank" setup is essentially nothing. A plate will just let you die in 10 seconds instead of 5 seconds against anything other than a ratting Caracal. Meanwhile, you give up the one thing the Thorax is halfway decent at: doing huge amounts of dps to a target. So in short: fit full gank, and just kill the target before it can even get a lock on you. Dude! That plate and eanm/dcu almost tripple your eff hp. Thats always worth it in my book.
Prometheus Exenthal Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.06.26 08:26:00 - [18] [Thorax, 1600 MEDIUMS] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x2 Reactor Control Unit II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Heavy Electron Blaster II [CN Antimatter] x5 Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Hammerhead II x5 or Vespa EC-600 x5 FRIGANK
Gwendion Bladed Moon Zzz	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:00:00 - [19] Slightly offtopic, but if the last time you played was 2003, and you dont have say, 30 million skillpoints, recreate your character. There have been changes in the character creation system that make old characters at a disadvantage. (Though seriously, anything under about 5m) just create a new char and go from there, you will be much better off. -----------------------------------
tubelight Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Prometheus Exenthal [Thorax, 1600 MEDIUMS] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x2 Reactor Control Unit II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Heavy Electron Blaster II [CN Antimatter] x5 Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Hammerhead II x5 or Vespa EC-600 x5 This. The objective of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his
Snow Banshee	Posted - 2008.06.26 12:58:00 - [21] Originally by: TheNooge Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Valkyrie II x5 or Vespa EC-600 x5 requires AWU V or AWU IV and +3% pg implant. forget 1600 plate; 800 is good enough. 400-500 damage on guns alone depending on skills/implants. If you want pvp then ignore all people above and use this setup. heres some reasons: 1) if you wanna rep you must have high resistance , not many armour points. so "rep + plate = nonsense". Those who dont understant this simply statement are noobs. 2) mar??? and where is the cap to use it ????? have a mar fitted means you must have a battery or cap booster in a medium slot, but obviusly you cant fit it in a thorax ( mwd+web+scramble is a must. you realy cand change nothing here). 3) if you wanna use blasters then you must use damage mod to "kill before dye". Small turrets is a blasphemy on that ship 4) plates + dc2 give you a huge buffer before to die. If in that time you was not able to kill him, means simply that you cant kill him and no other setup could change the result. 5) ecm drones rocks!!! my 2 cents .
Fetchme	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:12:00 - [22] Edited by: Fetchme on 26/06/2008 14:12:33 Originally by: Snow Banshee Originally by: TheNooge Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Valkyrie II x5 or Vespa EC-600 x5 requires AWU V or AWU IV and +3% pg implant. forget 1600 plate; 800 is good enough. 400-500 damage on guns alone depending on skills/implants. If you want pvp then ignore all people above and use this setup. heres some reasons: 1) if you wanna rep you must have high resistance , not many armour points. so "rep + plate = nonsense". Those who dont understant this simply statement are noobs. 2) mar??? and where is the cap to use it ????? have a mar fitted means you must have a battery or cap booster in a medium slot, but obviusly you cant fit it in a thorax ( mwd+web+scramble is a must. you realy cand change nothing here). 3) if you wanna use blasters then you must use damage mod to "kill before dye". Small turrets is a blasphemy on that ship 4) plates + dc2 give you a huge buffer before to die. If in that time you was not able to kill him, means simply that you cant kill him and no other setup could change the result. 5) ecm drones rocks!!! my 2 cents . The same as mine, only i swap one mag stab for an eanm for solo, and this for gangs. Posted on my Alt, this is Rdemon
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.06.26 21:31:00 - [23] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 26/06/2008 21:31:08 Originally by: RDemon Dude! That plate and eanm/dcu almost tripple your eff hp. Thats always worth it in my book. 3x nothing is... let me see.... still nothing. The plate lets you trade the only thing a Thorax is good for (insane dps for a T1 cruiser) for a "tank" that still won't survive anything bigger than a T1 frigate. There is absolutely no way to tank a T1 cruiser in any meaningful way, you will still instantly die against anything you can't kill within 30 seconds. Therefore any attempt to do so is a waste of perfectly good dps. Fit full-gank and do some damage before you die.
Lilith Velkor Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.06.27 00:31:00 - [24] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 27/06/2008 00:33:09 Originally by: Merin Ryskin 3x nothing is... let me see.... still nothing. The plate lets you trade the only thing a Thorax is good for (insane dps for a T1 cruiser) for a "tank" that still won't survive anything bigger than a T1 frigate. There is absolutely no way to tank a T1 cruiser in any meaningful way, you will still instantly die against anything you can't kill within 30 seconds. Therefore any attempt to do so is a waste of perfectly good dps. Fit full-gank and do some damage before you die. Thats not a good idea, if you want to win by sheer dps you need a decent buffer to put that dps to use. Thorax works with a flight of ec-600 drones with pure gank fit, with superior speed and agility over the plate variant, but I'd say the plate is still the most viable fit in general (read: for most people). Edit: if in a gang and not solo, by any means fit that 1600mm plate.
HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE	Posted - 2008.06.27 11:46:00 - [25] Edited by: HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE on 27/06/2008 11:46:31 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 26/06/2008 21:31:08 Originally by: RDemon Dude! That plate and eanm/dcu almost tripple your eff hp. Thats always worth it in my book. 3x nothing is... let me see.... still nothing. The plate lets you trade the only thing a Thorax is good for (insane dps for a T1 cruiser) for a "tank" that still won't survive anything bigger than a T1 frigate. There is absolutely no way to tank a T1 cruiser in any meaningful way, you will still instantly die against anything you can't kill within 30 seconds. Therefore any attempt to do so is a waste of perfectly good dps. Fit full-gank and do some damage before you die. Every full gank thorax will die to any other competent cruiser pilot, the plate really does a lot. For gangs 3 heavy ion II 2 heavy electron II mwd web scram 3 mfs II 800 1 dc II For solo 5 heavy electron II mwd web scram 2 mfs II 1 dc II 1600 1 rcu II 1 dmg rig 1 rof rig Must have perfect skills to fit, or have a powergrid implant
MITSUK0	Posted - 2008.06.27 11:51:00 - [26] ECM drones. Use them, love them, hope they dont nerf them. Use electron blasters and big plate, standard mwd, web, scram mids and lots of dmg mods. Rax is the best T1 cruiser for webrange/gate fighting. Watch out for ruptures in open space, they have speed and range advantage in most setups.
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum TRUST Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.27 12:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Merin Ryskin 3x nothing is... let me see.... still nothing. The plate lets you trade the only thing a Thorax is good for (insane dps for a T1 cruiser) for a "tank" that still won't survive anything bigger than a T1 frigate. There is absolutely no way to tank a T1 cruiser in any meaningful way, you will still instantly die against anything you can't kill within 30 seconds. Therefore any attempt to do so is a waste of perfectly good dps. Fit full-gank and do some damage before you die. With three times the EHP, you will last three times as long. There's no point doing 50% more damage if you only get to apply it for a third of the time - that is a waste of perfectly good DPS. In fact if we're assuming solo setups, then DPS / EHP would be a reasonably meaningful figure as a measure of how much total damage you're going to be able to put out before you die - if this number is greater than your opponent's EHP, you win. ECM drones obviously make this less clear, but in both directions still favour the setups with higher EHP. So you'd be silly to make it paper-thin on the rational that it can't stand up to anything for long. If you couldn't kill it in 30 seconds with a plated setup, there's no way that you would have killed it in 10 seconds with a gank setup.
Arcon Telf Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.06 02:12:00 - [28] Originally by: TheNooge Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Valkyrie II x5 or Vespa EC-600 x5 requires AWU V or AWU IV and +3% pg implant. forget 1600 plate; 800 is good enough. 400-500 damage on guns alone depending on skills/implants. Would anyone be willing to overview what kind of skills in general one would need to get this to 400+ DPS on guns alone? I've got decent gunnery and by my calculations would only get about 250 DPS from guns with this setup. This seems like an excellent setup, and one I will certainly experiment with...I'd love to be able to hit that DPS figure, but I'm kind of at a loss at to how... :-) Thanks for any insights...
Clueless Alt Republic University	Posted - 2008.07.06 05:24:00 - [29] Originally by: Arcon Telf Would anyone be willing to overview what kind of skills in general one would need to get this to 400+ DPS on guns alone? I've got decent gunnery and by my calculations would only get about 250 DPS from guns with this setup. This seems like an excellent setup, and one I will certainly experiment with...I'd love to be able to hit that DPS figure. Would I basically need maxed skills up through T2? Is it that simple? ;-) Thanks for any insights... Got 405 with Caldari Navy AM, and support skill at 4 (+ gallente cruiser 4)
Arcon Telf Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.06 06:19:00 - [30] Thanks for any insights... Got 405 with Caldari Navy AM, and support skill at 4 (+ gallente cruiser 4) Would you mind sharing your damage multiplier and rate of fire? Thanks!
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.07.06 09:20:00 - [31] Originally by: Gartel Reiman With three times the EHP, you will last three times as long. There's no point doing 50% more damage if you only get to apply it for a third of the time - that is a waste of perfectly good DPS. In fact if we're assuming solo setups, then DPS / EHP would be a reasonably meaningful figure as a measure of how much total damage you're going to be able to put out before you die - if this number is greater than your opponent's EHP, you win. ECM drones obviously make this less clear, but in both directions still favour the setups with higher EHP. So you'd be silly to make it paper-thin on the rational that it can't stand up to anything for long. If you couldn't kill it in 30 seconds with a plated setup, there's no way that you would have killed it in 10 seconds with a gank setup. Late reply, but might as well: Your problem assumption is right here: "In fact if we're assuming solo setups". I'm NOT assuming solo setups, solo PvP in a T1 cruiser is a waste of time. Now, the real scenario you're looking at is living 50% longer once you start taking fire. Let's say you are called primary two minutes into a fight, and die in 30 seconds with the plate setup, or 10 seconds with the full-gank setup. The full-gank setup does 50% more dps for the two minutes while it isn't primary, and the tank setup does damage for an extra 20 seconds. Which do you think is more? Here's a hint: for that tank setup to win, even in the two-minute fight, it would have to survive a full minute longer than the gank setup, and that just isn't going to happen.
HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE	Posted - 2008.07.06 09:43:00 - [32] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Gartel Reiman With three times the EHP, you will last three times as long. There's no point doing 50% more damage if you only get to apply it for a third of the time - that is a waste of perfectly good DPS. In fact if we're assuming solo setups, then DPS / EHP would be a reasonably meaningful figure as a measure of how much total damage you're going to be able to put out before you die - if this number is greater than your opponent's EHP, you win. ECM drones obviously make this less clear, but in both directions still favour the setups with higher EHP. So you'd be silly to make it paper-thin on the rational that it can't stand up to anything for long. If you couldn't kill it in 30 seconds with a plated setup, there's no way that you would have killed it in 10 seconds with a gank setup. solo PvP in a T1 cruiser is a waste of time. Stopped reading here
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.06 10:05:00 - [33] Stampede, the setup you posted makes me and my alt cry. There is NO NEED (!) for RCUs, also NEVER NEVER NEVER use shield tanking on a 'rax. Mixed rails are also a no - go. For PvE (since you are using rails I guess you are going PvE) I recommend something like this: * rat specific tanking with a medium repper II and no plate but hardeners / membranes * cap rechargers in the mid slots * rails of the same size in the high slots * rat specific drones If PvP is for you then go for: * blasters * mwd * tackling * damage mods * passive armor tanking (plating) --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.06 10:08:00 - [34] Wow what a setup... Scratch that and start learning Eve basics again. --- Its dead, Jim.
deVenoge	Posted - 2008.08.08 09:23:00 - [35] DonÆt attack Stampede for his early set up. Back in 2003 armour tanking didnÆt exist as an option and rails had far better tracking than they do now. My set up in those early days was 5 X 150s, shield, mwd + ab, 4 mags stabs and something to make it all fit (co-pro I think). I used to chain rats in 0.3-0.4 space for hours on end and needed a corpmate to clean up the cans for me while I stayed at spawning distance.
Euriti Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.08 10:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Merin Ryskin solo PvP in a T1 cruiser is a waste of time. Stopped reading right there.
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.09 14:50:00 - [37] A couple of points here that might be worth making: I am assuming that you expect this ship to get blown up, and therefore that it might be a good idea to minimise expense. Heavy ion tech I have lower fitting requirements than t2, and the low-end named ones are actually cheaper than tech 1 stock in a lot of places. The grid and CPU you save might be useful for something else. Secondly, everyone here seems to be mentioning caldari navy ammo. It's worth mentioning that Gallente Navy ammo is also available, with exactly the same stats; which is easier to get hold of might well be controlled by where you are. ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
Ralmus Awsine	Posted - 2008.08.12 13:14:00 - [38] How are people able to fit 5 heavy ions? I can't seem to get more than 4 on before my powergrid is all used up if I put an armor repper on it.
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.12 13:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Ralmus Awsine How are people able to fit 5 heavy ions? I can't seem to get more than 4 on before my powergrid is all used up if I put an armor repper on it. Engineering: 5% increase to powergrid per level Advanced Weapon Upgrades: 2% reduction of turret and launcher powergrid usage per level But the rax is always tight on grid. Specially for the people who use it most (those with low skill points).
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.08.12 14:37:00 - [40] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Ignore the people who tell you to put a plate on a T1 cruiser. With the pathetic resists, limited number of slots, and T1 base resists of a T1 Cruiser, the difference between base HP and a "tank" setup is essentially nothing. A plate will just let you die in 10 seconds instead of 5 seconds against anything other than a ratting Caracal. Meanwhile, you give up the one thing the Thorax is halfway decent at: doing huge amounts of dps to a target. So in short: fit full gank, and just kill the target before it can even get a lock on you. Smokey da crack much? The 1600mm Plate/Damage Control/Medium Repper/2x EANM Thorax fit makes it tank well enough to sit on gates and tank the guns while you pop haulers, frigs or even other T1 cruisers. It is a HUGE boost in the tank. Maybe you're just used to fighting larger ships or larger groups where once you are primaried it doesn't matter how big your tank is but a plated Thorax can take quite a bit of punishment compared to a gank fit one. ----- http://evenewb.blogspot.com/
Munio Veritas	Posted - 2008.08.13 05:30:00 - [41] So, even though I'm new, I've been playing around with EFT, and this setup should fit. Highs ------- Heavy Electron Blaster II x 5 w/ CN Antimatter M Med ------- Faint Epsilon Warp Prohibitor I X5 Prototype I Engine Enevator 10MN Digital Booster Rockets Low ------- Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II x 2 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plates I Reactor Control Unit II x 2 Hammerhead II x 5 I realize that the setup might be slighly gimped by the need for two Reactor Control Unit II's, but the Effective HP is at least 21k, which is nearly on par with a light blaster, 1600mm plate, damage control set up, but with nearly 80 more DPS, at least with my skills.
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.08.13 07:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Spectre3353 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Ignore the people who tell you to put a plate on a T1 cruiser. With the pathetic resists, limited number of slots, and T1 base resists of a T1 Cruiser, the difference between base HP and a "tank" setup is essentially nothing. A plate will just let you die in 10 seconds instead of 5 seconds against anything other than a ratting Caracal. Meanwhile, you give up the one thing the Thorax is halfway decent at: doing huge amounts of dps to a target. So in short: fit full gank, and just kill the target before it can even get a lock on you. Smokey da crack much? The 1600mm Plate/Damage Control/Medium Repper/2x EANM Thorax fit makes it tank well enough to sit on gates and tank the guns while you pop haulers, frigs or even other T1 cruisers. It is a HUGE boost in the tank. Maybe you're just used to fighting larger ships or larger groups where once you are primaried it doesn't matter how big your tank is but a plated Thorax can take quite a bit of punishment compared to a gank fit one. There is only 1 way to fit a Thorax tough, and that is not it. Highs: 5 Medium Blasters II Mediums: Microwarp Drive, Warp Distruptor, Web Lows: 800mm Rolled Tungsten, Damage Control II, 3 Magnetic Field Stabilisers Drone Bay: 5 ECM 600 drones I do 300-350 DPS with this setup, but I can't use T2 guns, if I ever train for T2 Medium Blasters, I am looking at 400+ DPS from the guns. Also, hint, the +5% medium blaster implant is only 1-2 million isk, buy it if you intend to use blasters. we are recruiting!
Arcon Telf Gallente Dark Tide Rising Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.08.13 07:10:00 - [43] Originally by: Inertial Originally by: Spectre3353 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Ignore the people who tell you to put a plate on a T1 cruiser. With the pathetic resists, limited number of slots, and T1 base resists of a T1 Cruiser, the difference between base HP and a "tank" setup is essentially nothing. A plate will just let you die in 10 seconds instead of 5 seconds against anything other than a ratting Caracal. Meanwhile, you give up the one thing the Thorax is halfway decent at: doing huge amounts of dps to a target. So in short: fit full gank, and just kill the target before it can even get a lock on you. Smokey da crack much? The 1600mm Plate/Damage Control/Medium Repper/2x EANM Thorax fit makes it tank well enough to sit on gates and tank the guns while you pop haulers, frigs or even other T1 cruisers. It is a HUGE boost in the tank. Maybe you're just used to fighting larger ships or larger groups where once you are primaried it doesn't matter how big your tank is but a plated Thorax can take quite a bit of punishment compared to a gank fit one. There is only 1 way to fit a Thorax tough, and that is not it. Highs: 5 Medium Blasters II Mediums: Microwarp Drive, Warp Distruptor, Web Lows: 800mm Rolled Tungsten, Damage Control II, 3 Magnetic Field Stabilisers Drone Bay: 5 ECM 600 drones I do 300-350 DPS with this setup, but I can't use T2 guns, if I ever train for T2 Medium Blasters, I am looking at 400+ DPS from the guns. Also, hint, the +5% medium blaster implant is only 1-2 million isk, buy it if you intend to use blasters. /thread
UberNero Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.08.13 19:45:00 - [44] Originally by: Inertial There is only 1 way to fit a Thorax tough, and that is not it. Highs: 5 Medium Blasters II Mediums: Microwarp Drive, Warp Distruptor, Web Lows: 800mm Rolled Tungsten, Damage Control II, 3 Magnetic Field Stabilisers Drone Bay: 5 ECM 600 drones I do 300-350 DPS with this setup, but I can't use T2 guns, if I ever train for T2 Medium Blasters, I am looking at 400+ DPS from the guns. Also, hint, the +5% medium blaster implant is only 1-2 million isk, buy it if you intend to use blasters. Using the exact same set up, cept for no implant and some t1 named instead of t2 equipent, and works great. video of it in action
Arcon Telf Gallente Dark Tide Rising Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.08.13 19:58:00 - [45] With highly developed skills this setup melts all other T1 cruisers, it's a ton of fun. I get over 400 DPS from guns alone, and ECM drones are a nice addition to the buffer tank.
Jack Olev Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.08.28 12:44:00 - [46] My SetUp, Gank No Tank Thorax Highs: 5 x ion blasters Mids: 1x MWD 1X Warp Scrambler 1x Web Lows: 3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer 1x 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten 1x Damage Control This is my support Thorax as part of a gang. No repair system. The Damage Control is there to give you a few seconds to live. Dont get targeted in this. But it can throw out some major DPS. I love Flying it. ------------------------------------------------------------------- KillBoard
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.08.28 14:47:00 - [47] My solo Thorax: 5x Med Electron II Web, Disruptor II, MWD MAR II, DCU II, 800mm RT, 2x MFS II Anti Explosive Pump Works preaty good, about 600 DPS with my Imps and Skills(using Valkyre II). I know many people will say don¦t use a Rep but it works quite fine, with overheat you will get at least 50% of the HP diffrence back in a standard fight(about 30 Seconds) to a 1600mm Setup without loosing the Speed and agility. Also you don¦t have to refit any time to rep and you can do travel with GCC(mostly quick rerepping while warping, caps you out for long jurnys but 2-3 Jumps are not a problem). Btw, that are all only standart Fittings here, I know someone that flyes a 30k Armor Thorax out there for creating funny KMs, just to give a Idea what is possible(ofc a bit ISK inefficent in the end). ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.08.28 15:15:00 - [48] Who the hell bumped this thread again? Inertial you're a dummy. Best Thorax setup ever: Highs: 5x Light Neutron Blaster II w/ Faction Antimatter Mids: 1x Any 10MN MWD 1x Any Web 1x Any Scram Lows: 1x 1600mm Tungsten Plate 1x Damage Control II 2x EANM (or hardeners if you know what you're going to be fighting) 1x Medium Armor Repairer Drones: 5x Hammerhead II's or 5x Vespa-600's Need to tank gate guns long enough to gank a frig or hauler or another cruiser at a gate? No problem! Need to outlast virtually any other T1 cruisers in a fight? No problem! Is this plated Thorax setup the most awesome setup ever? Absolutely! Anyone who disagrees is an idiot and should be drawn and quartered and then burned and then chopped up and burned again. ----- My Pirate Blog: http://evenewb.blogspot.com/ My Ransom Board: http://www.pcransomboard.com/

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