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Narkie	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:05:00 - [1] When are people going to stop being foolish and realize the torp buff for what it is! a buff.... The torp buff makes ravens overpowered imo. 1000dps raven with solid tank anyone?
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:07:00 - [2] and the point is ? whats wrong whit 1k dps ravens ?? gallente have 1k dps megathron amarr have 1k dps abaddon and geddon minni have 1k dps (very hard to achive but still) phoon so why cant caldari have 1k dps ship ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Furb Killer The Peacekeeper Core	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:08:00 - [3] But then look at the range of blasters
Narkie	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:10:00 - [4] Edited by: Narkie on 01/06/2008 21:10:42 Originally by: Riho and the point is ? whats wrong whit 1k dps ravens ?? gallente have 1k dps megathron (no tank) amarr have 1k dps abaddon and geddon (no tank) minni have 1k dps (very hard to achive but still) phoon (no tank) so why cant caldari have 1k dps ship(Massive tank + more range) There I fixed your post, maybe you can see my point now? My point is the other ships have to sacrifice something to get that much dps why should the raven be excluded?
myg0t	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:17:00 - [5] Care to enlighten me as to what you are talking about? *****ing about something without linking to what it is, or how it will affect the game makes me and everyone else who doesn't have inside-scoops cry at night.
Dragy Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Narkie Edited by: Narkie on 01/06/2008 21:10:42 Originally by: Riho and the point is ? whats wrong whit 1k dps ravens ?? gallente have 1k dps megathron (no tank) amarr have 1k dps abaddon and geddon (no tank) minni have 1k dps (very hard to achive but still) phoon (no tank) so why cant caldari have 1k dps ship(Massive tank + more range) There I fixed your post, maybe you can see my point now? My point is the other ships have to sacrifice something to get that much dps why should the raven be excluded? hahahaah ? no tank ? yeah right ... mega 'n geddon can tank pretty well, geddon 3 dmg mods, 5 plates, 3 trimark and you're good to go ! plus it can solo aswell as mega, so stfu, mkay ? and no, i'm NOT flying a raven.
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Furb Killer But then look at the range of blasters But look at the ability of torps to kill small things. potentially an AF can tank a torp raven. The same cannot be said for any small ship fighting a close range turret BS if it is packing a web. And in order to fit a solid tank a Raven must forgo tackle. Stop whining plix. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected])
Narkie	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Dragy hahahaah ? no tank ? yeah right ... mega 'n geddon can tank pretty well, geddon 3 dmg mods, 5 plates, 3 trimark and you're good to go ! plus it can solo aswell as mega, so stfu, mkay ? and no, i'm NOT flying a raven. I was refering to strong active tanks, you cant run armor tanks and fit for 1k dps, fitting for 1k dps in a raven is no problem and still leaves you room for a full 6 mid slot tank without fitting becoming a real issue, and yes I do fly ravens. Also lols at your 3 damage mods 5 plates geddon fitting
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:26:00 - [9] Heh, that's not the only thing that's overpowered about torps... My research services Mineral compression for carrier/Rorqual pilots
Narkie	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:29:00 - [10] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Originally by: Furb Killer But then look at the range of blasters But look at the ability of torps to kill small things. potentially an AF can tank a torp raven. The same cannot be said for any small ship fighting a close range turret BS if it is packing a web. And in order to fit a solid tank a Raven must forgo tackle. Stop whining plix. Yes but then again torps never miss, I'm ok with the trade, anything smaller then a bs isn't to much of a worry, unless your solo but then again you cant solo very well in a Raven.
Lt Angus Wicked Crew	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Narkie Edited by: Narkie on 01/06/2008 21:10:42 Originally by: Riho and the point is ? whats wrong whit 1k dps ravens ?? gallente have 1k dps megathron (no tank) amarr have 1k dps abaddon and geddon (no tank) minni have 1k dps (very hard to achive but still) phoon (no tank) so why cant caldari have 1k dps ship(Massive tank + more range) There I fixed your post, maybe you can see my point now? My point is the other ships have to sacrifice something to get that much dps why should the raven be excluded? lol out of all those ships raven probably has the worst tank Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:31:00 - [12] Edited by: Riho on 01/06/2008 21:31:38 Originally by: Narkie Originally by: Dragy hahahaah ? no tank ? yeah right ... mega 'n geddon can tank pretty well, geddon 3 dmg mods, 5 plates, 3 trimark and you're good to go ! plus it can solo aswell as mega, so stfu, mkay ? and no, i'm NOT flying a raven. I was refering to strong active tanks, you cant run armor tanks and fit for 1k dps, fitting for 1k dps in a raven is no problem and still leaves you room for a full 6 mid slot tank without fitting becoming a real issue, and yes I do fly ravens. Also lols at your 3 damage mods 5 plates geddon fitting come whit ur shield boosting raven and ill come whit my plate mega or geddon... lets see if you can get through my 25% of my armor before you pop. heck.. even my extender fitted torp raven can probably kill you before you can kill me ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Narkie	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Lt Angus lol out of all those ships raven probably has the worst tank X-l shield booster, Shield boost amp, 2 invuls, em hard, and a injector all fit without a problem. Still with 1000dps. That doesnt make for a weak tank.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:36:00 - [14] Raven has other problems like generally handling like a towtruck, slow acceleration, slow lock and no grid to fit both MWD and heavy injector. I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them.
celada1 Madison Industrial Co.	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Narkie Originally by: Lt Angus lol out of all those ships raven probably has the worst tank X-l shield booster, Shield boost amp, 2 invuls, em hard, and a injector all fit without a problem. Still with 1000dps. That doesnt make for a weak tank. Mwd is where? And also take note of Sokratez post, the raven has a gimped grid.
Narkie	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Sokratesz Raven has other problems like generally handling like a towtruck, slow acceleration, slow lock and no grid to fit both MWD and heavy injector. Raven & Mwd? What insanity is this you don't need a mwd acceleration or anything. Most engangments don't happen outside of 30kms which is torp range now.
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Narkie Originally by: Sokratesz Raven has other problems like generally handling like a towtruck, slow acceleration, slow lock and no grid to fit both MWD and heavy injector. Raven & Mwd? What insanity is this you don't need a mwd acceleration or anything. Most engangments don't happen outside of 30kms which is torp range now. getting out of bubbles... you jump into a camp... cant get back to gate... etc my raven has MWD and point fitted on it :D and can kill ur tanking raven solo easy ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Dragy minni have 1k dps (very hard to achive but still) phoon (no tank) Typhoon? Um...lol Maelstrom: 1100 DPS with either a decent tank (with tackle) or an uber tank (no tackle or limited tackle). -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution	Posted - 2008.06.01 21:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Narkie Raven & Mwd? What insanity is this you don't need a mwd acceleration or anything. Most engangments don't happen outside of 30kms which is torp range now. Most engagements didn't happen outside of 30km. In this current nano age, they happen within a several hundred kilometer sphere. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
little sis	Posted - 2008.06.01 22:02:00 - [20] How to tank a Missile boat? go faster than the missile or use defender missiles. can't do that with a blaster.
Dragy Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.01 22:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Narkie Originally by: Lt Angus lol out of all those ships raven probably has the worst tank X-l shield booster, Shield boost amp, 2 invuls, em hard, and a injector all fit without a problem. Still with 1000dps. That doesnt make for a weak tank. did anyone forget that when you actually fit a full t2 setup, torps, x-large SB, amp, hardeners and a cap injector (if you get enough grip which is almost impossible) you have serious cpu problems and need 2 co-processors ? Before you whine about something, try to think about it first, a'right ?
AstroPhobic	Posted - 2008.06.01 22:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Wrayeth Maelstrom: 1100 DPS with either a decent tank (with tackle) or an uber tank (no tackle or limited tackle). Um... no.
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution	Posted - 2008.06.01 22:18:00 - [23] Edited by: Wrayeth on 01/06/2008 22:24:34 Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Wrayeth Maelstrom: 1100 DPS with either a decent tank (with tackle) or an uber tank (no tackle or limited tackle). Um... no. Really? Care to elaborate? I know with 100% surety that a maelstrom with 8 800mm repeating artillery II with hail L, 3 gyrostab II's, 4 ogre II's, BS 5, large auto spec 4, rapid firing 5, surgical strike 4, and Gallente drone spec 4 does around 1100 DPS. P.S. Somebody pull out quickfit and run the exact numbers on this so there's no debate, please. Thanks. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
AstroPhobic	Posted - 2008.06.01 22:26:00 - [24] Edited by: AstroPhobic on 01/06/2008 22:28:27 Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 01/06/2008 22:24:34 Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Wrayeth Maelstrom: 1100 DPS with either a decent tank (with tackle) or an uber tank (no tackle or limited tackle). Um... no. Really? Care to elaborate? I know with 100% surety that a maelstrom with 8 800mm repeating artillery II with hail L, 3 gyrostab II's, 4 ogre II's, BS 5, large auto spec 4, rapid firing 5, surgical strike 4, and Gallente drone spec 4 does around 1100 DPS. P.S. Somebody pull out quickfit and run the exact numbers on this so there's no debate, please. Thanks. Hail? Are you shooting at an outpost? Edit: RF EMP + 4 Gyro II, 4 Ogre IIs and completely maxed skills barely touches 1100 DPS. But more importantly, at an optimal of 3km, you'll never being doing over 1k.
Arana Tellen The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2008.06.01 22:27:00 - [25] After plates the raven will be much faster/agile than any mega/abba --------------------------------- Oh noes! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Dragy Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.01 22:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 01/06/2008 22:24:34 Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Wrayeth Maelstrom: 1100 DPS with either a decent tank (with tackle) or an uber tank (no tackle or limited tackle). Um... no. Really? Care to elaborate? I know with 100% surety that a maelstrom with 8 800mm repeating artillery II with hail L, 3 gyrostab II's, 4 ogre II's, BS 5, large auto spec 4, rapid firing 5, surgical strike 4, and Gallente drone spec 4 does around 1100 DPS. P.S. Somebody pull out quickfit and run the exact numbers on this so there's no debate, please. Thanks. Hmm, that could be right, but with maelstrom you have slight fitting issues, when fitting 800's (with dual 650's you have like 25 extra cpu), so it's not that colorful, aye ? It has a bit more dps compared to tempest with 6 guns alone, and i did few days ago some numbers. With autocannon spec lvl5 you get 780 dps from guns alone.
Dragy Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.01 22:30:00 - [27] Edited by: Dragy on 01/06/2008 22:35:06 Originally by: Arana Tellen After plates the raven will be much faster/agile than any mega/abba still doesn't matter, when passive armor tanks outperform active shield tank when the raven pilot can't fit an injector. edit: also don't forget that if you want to have a raven with max dps, you need to fit 1 TP which criples your mids, tank,cpu or 5 med TP drones. Also everyone's forgetting that raven has only 75m3 of dronebay and unlike geddon or mega, it can deploy only 3 heavy drones which limitates its dps, aye ? I will protect the very name of raven until i die !
Arana Tellen The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2008.06.01 22:39:00 - [28] Originally by: Dragy Edited by: Dragy on 01/06/2008 22:35:06 Originally by: Arana Tellen After plates the raven will be much faster/agile than any mega/abba still doesn't matter, when passive armor tanks outperform active shield tank when the raven pilot can't fit an injector. edit: also don't forget that if you want to have a raven with max dps, you need to fit 1 TP which criples your mids, tank,cpu or 5 med TP drones. Also everyone's forgetting that raven has only 75m3 of dronebay and unlike geddon or mega, it can deploy only 3 heavy drones which limitates its dps, aye ? I will protect the very name of raven until i die ! It matters when you can get out of blaster range and their damage is 0 while the torps still hit. --------------------------------- Oh noes! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution	Posted - 2008.06.01 23:37:00 - [29] Edited by: Wrayeth on 01/06/2008 23:37:56 Originally by: AstroPhobic Hail? Are you shooting at an outpost? Hail works just fine when the target is webbed. Quote: Edit: RF EMP + 4 Gyro II, 4 Ogre IIs and completely maxed skills barely touches 1100 DPS. But more importantly, at an optimal of 3km, you'll never being doing over 1k. (6.17984839797 fitted TQ damage modifier with my skills * 56 damage from each round of hail * 8 guns) / 3.25 rate of fire = 851.86833301248 DPS from guns alone with hail with 8 800 II's and 3 gyros. The thing I'm lacking is the drone DPS for 4 ogre II's with Gallente drone spec 4 (EDIT: typo - had listed 5), which I believe is around 250 total but can't recall exactly. As far as an optimal of 3k, what says you're not firing from that range? The maelstrom, unlike the tempest, has the tank to survive up close. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
AstroPhobic	Posted - 2008.06.01 23:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 01/06/2008 23:37:56 Originally by: AstroPhobic Hail? Are you shooting at an outpost? Hail works just fine when the target is webbed. Quote: Edit: RF EMP + 4 Gyro II, 4 Ogre IIs and completely maxed skills barely touches 1100 DPS. But more importantly, at an optimal of 3km, you'll never being doing over 1k. (6.17984839797 fitted TQ damage modifier with my skills * 56 damage from each round of hail * 8 guns) / 3.25 rate of fire = 851.86833301248 DPS from guns alone with hail with 8 800 II's and 3 gyros. The thing I'm lacking is the drone DPS for 4 ogre II's with Gallente drone spec 4 (EDIT: typo - had listed 5), which I believe is around 250 total but can't recall exactly. As far as an optimal of 3k, what says you're not firing from that range? The maelstrom, unlike the tempest, has the tank to survive up close. Not if you're using hail, you lose EVEN MORE cap recharge. You're easily outdone at that range anyway by a thron, hyperion. Plus, if you actually get to 3KM, it sounds more like a gank than a fight. Anyway, hail isn't used in theoretical DPS numbers for the same reason void isn't. It's not practical against all targets except battleships. And, at 3km, if you're (lets just say) fighting another BS with big DPS numbers as well, you're going to be roasted alive. Your XL wont be able to keep up nearly as long as it needs to chew through your target.

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