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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.06.02 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: EBANK Ricdic on 02/06/2008 16:36:42
I don't think Shar was just talking about you Kazzac 
Having said that, one would have to be naive if they thought we were all investing just for the hell of it without doing our own background checks, our own historic links and the rest 
edit: Oh and just to go against the lemmings backtracking with the "statement of intent" comments, I reserved under the full guise that I was expected to pay those funds. I generally don't reserve something unless I am investing in it unless I expressely say so at time of post.
Personally I don't like the thought of everyone quickly pressing "reserve" and then spending a week deciding what to do. It would be like going to Las Vegas and reserving all the slot machines, then going home for the night with intent to maybe play some of those reserved ones the next day.
That's my take on a 'reservation' anyway
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.06.02 16:56:00 -
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 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
Edited by: EBANK Ricdic on 02/06/2008 16:36:42
I don't think Shar was just talking about you Kazzac
I figured 
Just wanted to make sure that anyone else didn't just assume that because some of the more regulars are placing reserves that the OP is getting an automatic stamp of approval. Trying to herd the lemmings away so to speak.
I can see your reserve analogy, but I akin it to this. The OP had yet to finalize the financial end of it, so until it was. Reserving placing your name in the queue, I've always felt that reservations can be revoked given sufficient reason. |
Erah
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Posted - 2008.06.02 17:06:00 -
[63]
reserve 500M plz
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Welshdog
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Posted - 2008.06.02 17:14:00 -
[64]
I would like to reserve 500m please.
Thanks
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Kur'Dekaija
Atomic Heroes
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.02 17:36:00 -
[65]
Reserve 500 mill for me.
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aegisburnem
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Posted - 2008.06.02 17:42:00 -
[66]
Reserving 500mm
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Nidergang
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Posted - 2008.06.02 18:11:00 -
[67]
Reserving 500m
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Dranakolys
Theurgy
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Posted - 2008.06.02 20:59:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: YouGotRipped
I get a very distinct feeling when it comes to cosmoray, he's not a scammer.
Eeek, that was not the intent of my statement. NOT AT ALL.
Well I'd take some interpretive dance lessons, you are having trouble expressing yourself
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Elii Witherworth
Universal Mining Inc
Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.06.02 23:08:00 -
[69]
i'd like to reserve 100m if thats still possible...
will contact you in-game via mail...
~Elii Witherworth
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.06.03 01:07:00 -
[70]
UPDATE:
I am trying to arrange for Kazuo Ishiguro to complete the API audit.
At the moment I am playing message tag with him. I expect audit to be complete by end of tomorrow if I can finally track him down.
I'll update the post further when I have more news, and the auditor can post with his results.
I would advise you not to send any ISK'ies until audit is complete and has been reported.
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Dagobert D
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Posted - 2008.06.03 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Dagobert D on 03/06/2008 15:45:06
If still possible, I would like to make a reservation of 500 million.
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Jhebbal Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.03 16:28:00 -
[72]
If someone backs out, I'll bite for 500 mil.
Jhebbal
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Emotek
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Posted - 2008.06.04 03:02:00 -
[73]
I am a bit confused on the amount of ISK that you desire to raise. I have counted 12.78 billion in ISK to be raised (if I have not missed anything which I believe that I have as your count is 13.05 billion ISK). Does this mean that the bond is still open? If so, then I would like to invest for 500 million ISK. If not, then I wish you good luck.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.06.04 03:34:00 -
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I have enough reservation to meet the funding 12B minimum to a max of 14B. This means I will have between 2-4B invested my self. My stake potentially reduced after questions on here.
Keep the reservation on the page, and if anyone drops out I will let you know.
At present Kazuo Ishiguro is doing an API audit (he has the keys) and the results should be available sometime on the 4th June.
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Dkarn Duuk
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Posted - 2008.06.04 07:34:00 -
[75]
reserving 500mils for me if its still possible..
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Amaandia
Third Return Inc.
Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2008.06.04 09:29:00 -
[76]
Make me an offer in-game, and I can transfer my 100m reservation to highest bidder, if its reasonable :)
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Taikun
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Posted - 2008.06.04 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Amaandia
Make me an offer in-game, and I can transfer my 100m reservation to highest bidder, if its reasonable :)
You gota be joking. Scalping reservations on a IPO? What is your unique malfunction? You don't OWN the transfer rights on reservations.
You deserve your reservation REQUEST removed just for suggesting it.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Amaandia
Third Return Inc.
Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2008.06.04 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Amaandia on 04/06/2008 11:32:58
Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: Amaandia
Make me an offer in-game, and I can transfer my 100m reservation to highest bidder, if its reasonable :)
You gota be joking. Scalping reservations on a IPO? What is your unique malfunction? You don't OWN the transfer rights on reservations.
You deserve your reservation REQUEST removed just for suggesting it.
Taikun
You are ofcourse entitled to your oppinion, and if cosmoray share that oppinion, then thats just that.
I do wonder however if this breaks your self-created naive image on how business can be conducted.
There is no honour codex in business, get used to it.
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Taikun
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Posted - 2008.06.04 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 04/06/2008 11:36:21
Any IPO fund manager that allows secondary trading of reservation "options" does so at their own peril.
It opens up for IPO offerings to be snapped up and speculated upon with out the 'speculator' being held to account if their speculation fails.
I would be stunned... nay downright GOBSMACKED if ANY fund manager here allows pre-launvch IPO reservation rights to be traded as a commodity here. If they do, the fund managers are morons. That is not just my "OPINION" but a statement of fact.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Amaandia
Third Return Inc.
Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2008.06.04 11:42:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Taikun
Edited by: Taikun on 04/06/2008 11:36:21
Any IPO fund manager that allows secondary trading of reservation "options" does so at their own peril.
It opens up for IPO offerings to be snapped up and speculated upon with out the 'speculator' being held to account if their speculation fails.
I would be stunned... nay downright GOBSMACKED if ANY fund manager here allows pre-launvch IPO reservation rights to be traded as a commodity here. If they do, the fund managers are morons. That is not just my "OPINION" but a statement of fact.
Taikun
Again, you are ofcourse etitled to your oppinion.
I do have every intention of going through with this purchase, if cosmoray does not allow it, or if he does allow it and noone wants to bid. It is not a direct speculation in the reservations, as I believe in the IPO. However, if I can make money of it right away, I am happy to settle for that.
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Taikun
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Posted - 2008.06.04 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 04/06/2008 11:50:32
Originally by: Amaandia
I do have every intention of going through with this purchase, if cosmoray does not allow it, or if he does allow it and noone wants to bid. It is not a direct speculation in the reservations, as I believe in the IPO. However, if I can make money of it right away, I am happy to settle for that.
1. I have never in my entire life actually had an "oppinion"
2. You are welcome to sell any or all shares once you have purchased them via ingame mechanics. However if this IPO does not award shares, transfer rights of your IPO investment may or may not granted by the fund manager. This is directly questioning your prior assertion that you "CAN" award them to another individual "if the fee is right".
3. If you plan on capitalising upon something you have yet to obtain (like your 'reservation'), you are speculating and I would expect your request to transfer these purchase rights be shot down in flames and laughed at.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Amaandia
Third Return Inc.
Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2008.06.04 11:56:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Taikun
Edited by: Taikun on 04/06/2008 11:50:32
Originally by: Amaandia
I do have every intention of going through with this purchase, if cosmoray does not allow it, or if he does allow it and noone wants to bid. It is not a direct speculation in the reservations, as I believe in the IPO. However, if I can make money of it right away, I am happy to settle for that.
1. I have never in my entire life actually had an "oppinion"
2. You are welcome to sell any or all shares once you have purchased them via ingame mechanics. However if this IPO does not award shares, transfer rights of your IPO investment may or may not granted by the fund manager. This is directly questioning your prior assertion that you "CAN" award them to another individual "if the fee is right".
3. If you plan on capitalising upon something you have yet to obtain (like your 'reservation'), you are speculating and I would expect your request to transfer these purchase rights be shot down in flames and laughed at.
Taikun
Now I realize, that these forums are filled with pompous people that loves to tell other players how to conduct business, and what goes and what dosent. But how can business in EVE in particular ever evolve into new ways of doing business, if you let threats of flaming and being laughed at supress new ideas.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.06.04 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Amaandia
Now I realize, that these forums are filled with pompous people that loves to tell other players how to conduct business, and what goes and what dosent. But how can business in EVE in particular ever evolve into new ways of doing business, if you let threats of flaming and being laughed at supress new ideas.
I for one, are willing to take the risk.
Secondary trading of reservations is just bad form no matter how you wanna try and slice it. |
Amaandia
Third Return Inc.
Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2008.06.04 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Amaandia
Now I realize, that these forums are filled with pompous people that loves to tell other players how to conduct business, and what goes and what dosent. But how can business in EVE in particular ever evolve into new ways of doing business, if you let threats of flaming and being laughed at supress new ideas.
I for one, are willing to take the risk.
Secondary trading of reservations is just bad form no matter how you wanna try and slice it.
Then I have tried and failed, and i feel perfectly fine with that :)
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Taikun
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Posted - 2008.06.04 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Amaandia
Now I realize, that these forums are filled with pompous people that loves to tell other players how to conduct business, and what goes and what dosent. But how can business in EVE in particular ever evolve into new ways of doing business, if you let threats of flaming and being laughed at supress new ideas.
I for one, are willing to take the risk.
You simply fail to realise the threat to an IPO of allowing pre-launch speculation based upon reservations.
The 'risk' is not yours to take. It is the fund managers for allowing their reservations to be gobbled up by speculating individuals who say they will cough up $$$ but when push comes to shove they don't.
This is not a 'new way' of allowing business. It is quite frankly moronic.
You can call this pompous attitude. I call it prudent business planning with an adequate level of protection affording to a planned IPO business venture launch.
Now perhaps once you have plunked down your ISK and BOUGHT the stake in the business you have a leg to stand on because you OWN a chunk of the IPO. THEN you might be allowed to transfer title ownership. But If I was the fund manager... allowing that simply means more work for me and all profits to you for NOTHING.
Work for zero profits = Not worth the effort.
Agreeing to do more work on a IPO for zero $$ = moronic.
This is why allowing pre-launch speculation is quite simply crazy.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.06.04 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 04/06/2008 12:13:31
Originally by: Amaandia
Edited by: Amaandia on 04/06/2008 11:32:58
Originally by: Amaandia
Make me an offer in-game, and I can transfer my 100m reservation to highest bidder, if its reasonable :)
Now I realize, that these forums are filled with pompous people that loves to tell other players how to conduct business, and what goes and what dosent. But how can business in EVE in particular ever evolve into new ways of doing business, if you let threats of flaming and being laughed at supress new ideas.
I for one, are willing to take the risk.
You actually made me smile. I don't have much heart for stupid conventions that most of us take for granted either.
Think freely and continuously adjust your view of the world.
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Amaandia
Third Return Inc.
Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2008.06.04 12:13:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: Amaandia
Now I realize, that these forums are filled with pompous people that loves to tell other players how to conduct business, and what goes and what dosent. But how can business in EVE in particular ever evolve into new ways of doing business, if you let threats of flaming and being laughed at supress new ideas.
I for one, are willing to take the risk.
You simply fail to realise the threat to an IPO of allowing pre-launch speculation based upon reservations.
The 'risk' is not yours to take. It is the fund managers for allowing their reservations to be gobbled up by speculating individuals who say they will cough up $$$ but when push comes to shove they don't.
This is not a 'new way' of allowing business. It is quite frankly moronic.
You can call this pompous attitude. I call it prudent business planning with an adequate level of protection affording to a planned IPO business venture launch.
Now perhaps once you have plunked down your ISK and BOUGHT the stake in the business you have a leg to stand on because you OWN a chunk of the IPO. THEN you might be allowed to transfer title ownership. But If I was the fund manager... allowing that simply means more work for me and all profits to you for NOTHING.
Work for zero profits = Not worth the effort.
Agreeing to do more work on a IPO for zero $$ = moronic.
This is why allowing pre-launch speculation is quite simply crazy.
Taikun
After pondering on that statement for a bit, I suppose you are right :)
I am still glad however I tried it out, in any case weather failing or suceeding, you learn by trying.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.06.04 13:23:00 -
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No trading reservations.
Pending audit results you have the right to purchase or cancel.
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Amaandia
Third Return Inc.
Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2008.06.04 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
No trading reservations.
Pending audit results you have the right to purchase or cancel.
In that case, ill stick with it :)
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Maestro Del'Tirith
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Posted - 2008.06.04 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
I don't have much heart for stupid conventions that most of us take for granted either. Think freely and continuously adjust your view of the world.
Somebody pinch me, I can't believe I am agreeing with YGR.
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