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Swalesey
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:20:00 -
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I do some mining, and I don't mind the gankers. I would like to see insurance payments removed when it is concord that kills you. I never knew of an armed robber getting his getaway car repaired after crashing it in a 100mph police helicopter chase :P
If you get corded, it should make your insurance invalid. You can still make money from ganking, but youll have to realy think about what ship your using, and what you'll get out of it.
Then maybe ganking the new miner, who just spent all his money on his first retriever would not be such a great idea, but ganking that guy who's mined for a while and has the tech 2 set up would be.
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Luh Windan
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Veldya
At the end of the day, there is no real risk factor for Pirates.
I also love the way the different sides portray the other. I think I choose to believe you all - so therefore both pirates and carebears have no risks at all. Problem solved - easy. it is all just a matter of perspective.
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Wild Rho
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:24:00 -
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I read it as reducing the frequencies of baiting and killing players just starting Eve which doesn't seem that bad tbh.
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Aki Corrino
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Tell me CCP, when is the hand holding going to stop?
handing out insurance money to suicide gankers sounds like hand holding to me, glad they are finally fixing that
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Aki Corrino
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Tell me CCP, when is the hand holding going to stop?
handing out insurance money to suicide gankers sounds like hand holding to me, glad they are finally fixing that
magical omnipotent buddies who appear within a few seconds sound much more like handholding though. 
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
magical omnipotent buddies who appear within a few seconds sound much more like handholding though.
That.
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Shakka Zulu
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:46:00 -
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I cannot understand why some of you are so fired up about the slightest change to game balance. Any time something is done that can in any way be construed as "pro-carebear", the whole forums are up in arms that Eve is going down the drain.
Even if we disregard the fact that if people weren't flying around t1 haulers afk (and face it, at some time or another anyone with a life will go on autopilot for 5 minutes here or there... and not everyone can fly around in a tanked BS or a transport or a freighter) there would be far fewer suicide gankings, just consider this - suicide gankers never lose out in the long run.
If you have an intellect superior to that of an 11 year old, you will always, always, always make money as a suicide ganker. Maybe it will be a burst of cash here, a burst of cash there, interspersed with long droughts as you scan and scan and scan for a good target... but it will always put you in the black.
Where is the risk and reward in there? THERE IS NO RISK. Only reward. That is why CCP at least needs to do something about suicide ganking (which I assume is at least a major part of what they are discussing here).
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shakka Zulu
Any time something is done that can in any way be construed as "pro-carebear", the whole forums are up in arms that Eve is going down the drain.
Precautions. We have to stomp on the creeping carebearism right away.
Greyscale is just worrying.
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Shakka Zulu
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Malcanis
magical omnipotent buddies who appear within a few seconds sound much more like handholding though.
That.
Yeah! That!
And, and, let's remove rats from the game! They are just holding hands with players, begging us to steal their bounties! And what about those asteroids? They just sit there and let you mine them! Away with them!
All we need are players, that's what a sandbox is right, right?! Zomg! Down with the carebears!
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Sarin Adler
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sarin Adler on 03/06/2008 11:55:17
This post is a failure, i.e.: Before anyone jumps to conclusions
So STFU and wait, stop crying you either carebear or griefer. So much trolling is not even fun.
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
this has made me think about starting griefing aswell.. cant have the carebears roam free and farm isk like turds
Right. That is reserved for suicide gankers alone. Who do those carebears think they are? Paying customers? Hah.
/sarcasm
Sure, Concord shows up afterwards - and basically does nothing more than say "Bad boy! Go make money in 0.0 for a while and come back to do the same thing over and over again.". |
Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Swalesey
I do some mining, and I don't mind the gankers. I would like to see insurance payments removed when it is concord that kills you. I never knew of an armed robber getting his getaway car repaired after crashing it in a 100mph police helicopter chase :P
If you get corded, it should make your insurance invalid. You can still make money from ganking, but youll have to realy think about what ship your using, and what you'll get out of it.
Then maybe ganking the new miner, who just spent all his money on his first retriever would not be such a great idea, but ganking that guy who's mined for a while and has the tech 2 set up would be.
This I agree with. Insurance payments should cease for actions that provoke a CONCORD response.
Suicide gankers can still do exactly what they do, but they would be taking the risk that the profit from the kill won't cover their losses.
Which is how it should be.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sarin Adler
Edited by: Sarin Adler on 03/06/2008 11:55:17
This post is a failure, i.e.: Before anyone jumps to conclusions
So STFU and wait, stop crying you either carebear or griefer. So much trolling is not even fun.
Right, because the best course of action is always to wait until after the game is gimped before saying something, right?
It's a completely valid topic to discuss.
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Hellaciouss
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: Hellaciouss on 03/06/2008 12:06:09
I find it kind of hilarious how these so-called "hardcore" PvPers are in empire suiciding on haulers. Yah, real hardcore PvP right there guys. You're obviously a couple steps above the hardcore 0.0 grunt fighting tooth and nail to hold onto the space he lives in. Empire Hauler ganking takes mad hardcore skillz, yo.
I loved the Jihad swarm pwning all the hulks, but there needs to be something done, such as removing any insurance for being destroyed by Concord. You shouldn't be getting the insurance from your destroyed ship plus whatever the hauler was carrying by breaking the Law.
OP, seriously, take a pill and go watch a movie. You are obviously too stressed out from that hardcore pwning of haulers in Empire.
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Luh Windan
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:07:00 -
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Right, because the best course of action is always to wait until after the game is gimped before saying something, right?
OMG!!!! They *might* remove lowsec all together for some reason. Oh noes.
The campaign to keep lowsec (just in case) starts here!!!!
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Shakka Zulu
And, and, let's remove rats from the game! They are just holding hands with players, begging us to steal their bounties!
No, but make rats pilot real battleships and occasionally hotdrop carriers onto your face/uncloak Falcons/bring nanos and naturally, scram, web and neut you to hell. I approve of that. 
Originally by: Shakka Zulu
And what about those asteroids? They just sit there and let you mine them! Away with them!
And now you start failing, a system without resources...
Originally by: Shakka Zulu
All we need are players, that's what a sandbox is right, right?! Zomg! Down with the carebears!
And now you fail totally. Carebear rage is funny.
But seriously, why should rats be just moving asteroids with bounties and why should concord be magical uber-sick ships (yet the news talks about concord being threatened by this or that?)?
Seriously now 
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Luh Windan
Right, because the best course of action is always to wait until after the game is gimped before saying something, right?
OMG!!!! They *might* remove lowsec all together for some reason. Oh noes.
The campaign to keep lowsec (just in case) starts here!!!!
That.
Stop the creeping carebearism!
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Luh Windan
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
No, but make rats pilot real battleships and occasionally hotdrop carriers onto your face/uncloak Falcons/bring nanos and naturally, scram, web and neut you to hell. I approve of that.
Completely off topic - but abso- ****ing-lutely agree.
NPC's should have a proper AI and behave a lot more like other players - sensible fits, good tactics.
Missions and complexes would need adjusting but would at least become interesting.
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Matrixcvd
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:21:00 -
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when asked about nano, they said they were gonna fix nano titans and BS's, which is pretty hilarious, so i expect they are payin lipservice to the whining people in empire getting pwn'd for not paying attention
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Sarin Adler
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:30:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Sarin Adler
Edited by: Sarin Adler on 03/06/2008 11:55:17
This post is a failure, i.e.: Before anyone jumps to conclusions
So STFU and wait, stop crying you either carebear or griefer. So much trolling is not even fun.
Right, because the best course of action is always to wait until after the game is gimped before saying something, right?
It's a completely valid topic to discuss.
Can I have your crystal ball please? Have they listed the measures they're taking?
The noise to signal in the complaining aka crying (either from "hardcore pvpers" aka griefers & carebears aka "omg they have killed me, i dont want risk for my isk") is so high that they won't be paying attetion... hopefully.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:31:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Shakka Zulu
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Malcanis
magical omnipotent buddies who appear within a few seconds sound much more like handholding though.
That.
Yeah! That!
And, and, let's remove rats from the game! They are just holding hands with players, begging us to steal their bounties! And what about those asteroids? They just sit there and let you mine them! Away with them!
All we need are players, that's what a sandbox is right, right?! Zomg! Down with the carebears!
ranting is not permitted on these forums.
Also look up the fallacy of false equivalency for additional help on understanding why your post is wrong.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Luh Windan
Originally by: Cpt Branko
No, but make rats pilot real battleships and occasionally hotdrop carriers onto your face/uncloak Falcons/bring nanos and naturally, scram, web and neut you to hell. I approve of that.
Completely off topic - but abso- ****ing-lutely agree.
NPC's should have a proper AI and behave a lot more like other players - sensible fits, good tactics.
Missions and complexes would need adjusting but would at least become interesting.
Oh god please yes! That would be brilliant. An improvement for all players.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:41:00 -
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If I had a speculation farm, this thread would have made me rich.
I really don't think that there's any point in ****ing and moaning because one developer said that something is going to be done about Suicide Ganking. Especially since we have no idea what is actually being done.
Would all the suicide gankers here be opposed to transferable kill rights? That's one option the devs are considering. So until you know what they're actually going to do, you guys whining about literal speculation.
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Matrixcvd
when asked about nano, they said they were gonna fix nano titans and BS's, which is pretty hilarious, so i expect they are payin lipservice to the whining people in empire getting pwn'd for not paying attention
It is hard to fault miners for not paying attention every single second because your strips have a 3 minute cycle and ice strips have a 10 minute cycle. If CCP wanted to they could have made mining more interactive but they chose not to. It is like saying the Deer is at fault because it wasn't paying attention when the Lion struck. It is impossible to pay attention 24/7, the advantage is with the predator, not the prey, because the predator chooses the moment to attack.
I have no issue with relaxing the grip concord has on high sec as long as they change the non-combat ships so they can better able to protect their investment.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Aki Corrino
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Tell me CCP, when is the hand holding going to stop?
handing out insurance money to suicide gankers sounds like hand holding to me, glad they are finally fixing that
magical omnipotent buddies who appear within a few seconds sound much more like handholding though.
The alternative without hand-holding is 0.0 gameplay. Of course, the OP's hilarious whining is about so called highsec, so maybe he prefers the hand-holding areas after all?
Your sig remains, well, almost a lie. A gross exaggeration at best.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.03 13:03:00 -
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No, it's just factual. What you really mean is that CONCORD don't provide enough consequences for your liking. I observe that 99.9% of overview encounters in hi-sec between non-blues do not result in combat and conclude that they're doing a fine job.
Hey, we all have wishes: I wish my drake did more DPS.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Val Vympel
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.03 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
From the latest devchat transcript-
"MMORPG_Taera: kimsand asks, To a carebear, EVE is primarily a game of destruction... What takes me 10 hours or more to create, takes someone 5 minutes to destroy, will there be taken some steps in the future to make some REAL safe zones, where GoonJihad will not be able to get in and have their fun on my behalf... im feeling a little like the cannon fodder ccp needs to feed the pvp'ers
Greyscale: Absolutely safe zones aren't currently on our to-do list; there's a very lengthy conceptual reason why they're a bad idea, and a much shorter explanation that it's just not EVE. That said, we do feel that the current balance is out of line and we are working on changes to various mechanisms in this area which will redress this balance
Enough of this foolish prattle.
Who am I to vent my spleen at....if not for tireless efforts of the gankers,griefers and the other bottom feeders of EvE.
I do wish I could leave an active proximity or camoflauged timebomb in my wreckage....now that would be a compromise I would press for.
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Brachis
Eve Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.03 13:19:00 -
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God, why are people so single-minded when it comes to topics about protecting players?
EVE is not a game intended to be a PvP-fest where everyone has to fight to exist.
EVE is a game built around emulating real-society conditions, with the twist of being in space.
When they talk about EVE being a sandbox... that's what they mean. You can do what you want to do in EVE, but you must also face the social and political repercussions of your actions.
Griefing isn't punished because "CCP hates Pirates", it's punished because that's how society works. It is punished because mankind organizes itself to prevent being abused by one-another. EVE is such a small fraction of mankind that it is necessary to emplace NPC powers which regulate LAW within the game world.
The NPCs are there to make the game playable for new players. Right now, in EVE, the punishments for griefing and piracy are not equal to the crime. Because of the design of EVE, it is difficult or costly for the players to fairly police the other players, so active law enforcement, and preventative law enforcement are impossible in what is supposed to be secure space.
Because of this, CONCORD and the punishments for players who break social laws in what is supposed to be protected society needs to be ramped up.
So grow up, guys. EVE isn't a PvP playground. If it was, there would be no CONCORD, there would be no punishment, there would be no NPCs or sentries or anything but the players.
Does this mean that CCP caters to Carebears? In a way, yes. But in real life, we're all Carebears. If you're not a Carebear in real life, you should be in prison.
"I do this with but one small ship and I am called a terrorist... you do it with an entire fleet and are called an Emperor." |
Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.06.03 13:21:00 -
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i read that as in "we might remove insurance payout if you get blown up by concord".
and i am all for it.
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ArmyOfMe
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.03 13:29:00 -
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remove insurance payout on ships blown up by concord, simple as that really.
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