I am a player in the fountain region and have been with the test alliance for a while. I recently left because my corporation did not approve of my PvE playstyle. However i reapplied to one of the loosest corporations they have (dreddit) with what i think to be very good credentials and prerequisites that fulfill all of their requirements. However in my application they said "it may or may not be due to a particular blacklist entry"

Where can i see the entry and know who created it and why? I have always been a pretty friendly guy and i cant think of any reason why i would get blacklisted.

I am a player in the fountain region and have been with the test alliance for a while. I recently left because my corporation did not approve of my PvE playstyle. .......

ohhh,, you're a bot!

For some reason people seem to have a problem with PvE players in null, i've never understood why. It's not like im a detriment to the corp

" I recently left because my corporation did not approve of my PvE playstyle"
And
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Azemar#losses


That's your reason why. You're just someone that likes to sponge off your alliance's space and lower their kb efficiency . I don't think you can see the entry or who made it, but I imagine it was the last corp you were in that blacklisted you for the alliance because you contribute **** all.
There's nothing wrong with PVE'ing in null. That's one of the main reasons why people are out there (besides the gudfites) ; but if it's all you do and you don't do anything else to contribute to your alliance then you might as well be running missions in high sec by yourself.

Botters are detriments to the corp and alliance reputation. When people tolerate botting, they also take risks of getting in trouble themselves for possibly supporting the botter and getting in-game gains out of it.

Be glad you haven't been banned yet.

It's simple OP.

When you live in null as a part of an alliance you have to fight and defend that space as a team or you lose your space.

Shooting at red crosses all the time and isk-farming while your fellow alliance mates fight-off invaders makes you appear to be a worthless leech.

If you are going to carebear in null, try building stuff for the alliance that they need, stuff for pew-pew. Or *gosh* try some pew-pew yourself and be willing to lose some ships and/or clones.

Otherwise you might as well stay in empire and run level 4's.

I understand that, but am i not indirectly helping by contributing to the corporate tax? And i cant remember the last time test defended their territory. But i get it.

An individual's corporate tax contribution is about as an effective contribution to a Corp's null sec expenses as trying to put out a house fire using a paper cup.

Your alliance may enjoy not haveing to defend their space that often, but they do need to be able to count on you. If you never show up for CTA or roams, you are just a liability, one that's going to get ganked by some random interlopers, which affects Alliance killboard ratios.

Okay, so what do you suggest when trying to get into these corps?

Please stop applying to power tripping prick corporations so we can all enjoy a better game, thank you.

Haha i take it you don't like test.

I just generally don't like people who take games too seriously really, it's depressing :(

I know right! Why cant i just enjoy plexing and getting deadspace lootz?

For some reason people seem to have a problem with PvE players in null, i've never understood why.

I know right! Why cant i just enjoy plexing and getting deadspace lootz?

I just generally don't like people who take games too seriously really, it's depressing :(

Nothing's stopping you. Go to nullsec and continue doing it. What? You want the protection of alliance and blue standings, but don't want to contribute to that safe space?

Because Complexes are a limited resource. If you snatch it some PvPer, how has to replace ship, cant. You are a freeloader and quite obviously a bad player or you would not have to ask that question. If you would donate halve of the ISK you get from plexing to the corp wallet you might actually contribute.

That still raises the question if you deserve to take part in owning space if you are not willing to fight for it.

It's not my fault this is about the only game where i can't do the top-end PvE collaboratively. In every single other mmorpg i've played i've contributed almost more than anyone else. But nope, no one cares about donating money to the corp wallet in eve, but they'll be cool with killing an enemy corp ship worth two mil in a rifter. It's so smart.

Am i not helping more than that by donating the money which gives the hardcore PvP'ers the ability to do what they do?

Because i'm giving them money to be able to fight to fend off invaders and go in and take more territory...

One could argue that they are doing more freeloading than i am. You can't PvP without money. And no, real PvP barely nets you anything because they are reimbursable ships that have crap for fittings. The only money you get from PvP on a reasonable basis is SB hunting people like me that do plex and indy

LOL we dont kick or blacklist people for carebearing or bad killboard stats and we don't have CTAs.

Im pretty sure this is public look yourself up
http://blacklist.pleaseignore.com/

Really? You guys think i'm a spy?!?!

http://i.imgur.com/pZfCz.jpg

I, too, now think you're a spy and am adding you to the general CFC blacklist, thanks.

Yeah, I think you have probably made the whole "blacklist" thing
even worse for yourself at this point.

It's not my fault this is about the only game where i can't do the top-end PvE collaboratively. In every single other mmorpg i've played i've contributed almost more than anyone else. But nope, no one cares about donating money to the corp wallet in eve, but they'll be cool with killing an enemy corp ship worth two mil in a rifter. It's so smart.

Am i not helping more than that by donating the money which gives the hardcore PvP'ers the ability to do what they do?

You should check it again


http://blacklist.pleaseignore.com/

You should check it again


http://blacklist.pleaseignore.com/

Why did you do that? I'm seriously so confused right now.

I know right! Why cant i just enjoy plexing and getting deadspace lootz?

Hahaha i do believe you are correct. Oh well, i just hope i can get it undone somehow!

It's not my fault this is about the only game where i can't do the top-end PvE collaboratively. In every single other mmorpg i've played i've contributed almost more than anyone else. But nope, no one cares about donating money to the corp wallet in eve, but they'll be cool with killing an enemy corp ship worth two mil in a rifter. It's so smart.

Am i not helping more than that by donating the money which gives the hardcore PvP'ers the ability to do what they do?

OP has to be a troll. Dreddit lets anybody in.

For some reason people seem to have a problem with PvE players in null, i've never understood why. It's not like im a detriment to the corp

Someone may have called for a fleet to pad the killboard and you said, "I'm doing a mission right now!" Not joining a killboard padding fleet won't lower the kb efficiency, btw. Just shows you what people with no scruples will say...anyway. THEN, having fired you, they have to be paranoid and think you'd have an axe to grind...so you'll be suspected of being a spy (as if the corp in question is worth spying on). Yup. Don't sweat it. You're a victim of someone else's delusions. Feel lucky.

no wonder OP was kicked. LOLzering.

In a large 0.0 alliance it's not that hard at all to appear effective.
With all the massive blobs you join 1 or 2 and make yourself appear on the bloblist.
Your socalled effectivness will skyrocket enough to cover some losses due to ratting and being caught while doing so.

The whole "killboard efficiency" is a paper tiger.
Just join a support fleet for a caps op and get a hit on a few caps with cottonballs and BLAM your efficiency is all of a sudden off the scale.
A lot of people, if you check their killboard stats, aren't really as effective as they want themselves to look. So whereas an alliance looks at your overall efficiency you best ignore them if you look for real effectivness.

I don't like doing any of those things. I am simply a PvE player who likes it in nullsec because that is where the best PvE in the game is. I have made mistakes along the way, so has everyone. KB efficiency? really? And how can a player be a detriment? Last i checked the tax makes any player who kills npc's is contributing.

All i want to do is be in null sec and PvE. Why is that asking so much?

You should check it again


http://blacklist.pleaseignore.com/

You can even do it by yourself, without being a carebear leech on the fruits of someone else's labours, risks, and efforts.

As much as I detest sov-null alliances and their grating EVE IS SRS FKN BZNS!!111!!oneone!! bullshit, your formner corp was absolutely right to kick you.

Did they give you time to get your stuff out? Be thankful if so, I certainly wouldn't have.

Didn't want those loots in that un-tanked paper-box industrial anyway, eh?

You can even do it by yourself, without being a carebear leech on the fruits of someone else's labours, risks, and efforts.

Being an Industrial player, this statement is the biggest load of bullshit propaganda I've heard in awhile and I watch American politics. PvPers are the real leechers because they do nothing but lie, cheat, steal and destroy what other players create. If we removed PvP from the game you'd have market hubs in 0.0 space.

I feel compelled to point out that your post is so full of self-serving gratuitous bullshit that it just made my head explode. Congratulations.

Being an Industrial player, this statement is the biggest load of bullshit propaganda I've heard in awhile and I watch American politics. PvPers are the real leechers because they do nothing but lie, cheat, steal and destroy what other players create. If we removed PvP from the game you'd have market hubs in 0.0 space.

This statement is accurate and has been made official

Really? You guys think i'm a spy?!?!

quick question while we are letting steam off....how common are recruitment fees and can they be trusted? I'm guessing they are loads of bull

quick question while we are letting steam off....how common are recruitment fees and can they be trusted? I'm guessing they are loads of bull

I am a player in the fountain region and have been with the test alliance for a while. I recently left because my corporation did not approve of my PvE playstyle. However i reapplied to one of the loosest corporations they have (dreddit) with what i think to be very good credentials and prerequisites that fulfill all of their requirements. However in my application they said "it may or may not be due to a particular blacklist entry"

Where can i see the entry and know who created it and why? I have always been a pretty friendly guy and i cant think of any reason why i would get blacklisted.

" I recently left because my corporation did not approve of my PvE playstyle"
And
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Azemar#losses


That's your reason why.

Well I'll be doing a slight necro on this as I've only just seen it. Apologies! I am this chaps old CEO. I thought I would clear a few things up.

First of all he wasn't blacklisted. At least, I didn't blacklist him. He didn't do anything in corp to warrant being blacklisted. There are two blacklist entries for him, one which was there before we recruited him which states he is a possible spy - something I doubt he is - and the last one is that he is a "huge pubbie swearword". Neither of these entries are from me and both are only advisory which means any corp in the CFC can still recruit him, just to be careful.

Now, why did I kick him? To put it simply he was kicked because he genuinely believed that his ratting taxes were a wholly legitimate contribution to the corp and that because he ratted 24/7 he was exempt from having to go on fleets. There are a few problems with this; first of all, we're in a SOV holding alliance and you don't get SOV by ratting all day - you have to fight for it. Secondly his attitude was directly against corp policy; we only recruit people who want to PvP. We don't have CTA's or minimum monthly kills or anything like that but we only recruit those who express an interest in PvP'ing. If in a recruitment interview the first question someone asks us is "have you got anywhere good to rat?" he will get instantly rejected.

It's not that we even go hardcore omgwtf y u no fleet and check each member each month to check they're PvP'ing, we sort of just go with the flow and appreciate not everyone can PvP all the time. It's when people bring themselves to our attention when we begin laying down the long arm of the law and in this case Azemar continually lost ratting ships and it was eventually noticed by people in the alliance. "Who is this j4g swearword?" they would ask me. Then in corp my corpies began questioning him, "y u use hyperion to rat lol" etc and it was his "my taxes pay my way" opinion openly shared in corp which earned him his kick.

Azemar, you need to join a renting corporation. I told you when I kicked you that bounty taxes are not considered a valid contribution and it's unlikely any SOV holding corp will let you in, especially now you've made this thread giving yourself a public... what's the opposite of decoration? Anyway, you belong in a renter corp. You join, pay your dues and you can be the allstar nullsec PvE'er you've always dreamed of becoming.

But but but... He was the most awesome sauce ratter to ever exist in eve! And to such an extent that other players would quake in fear when they saw him ratting in system!

But seriously... If Lovelocke's description of the situation is valid (and I'm inclined to believe it is), then I really do not understand what it is that the OP is confused about in the first place.

PS: This thread can only make things worse for you OP. :/

It was probably the fact that he did not know what he was blacklisted for. Some people tend to worry about that kind of thing.

So the op has achieved what he wanted to achieve in part thanks to Lovelocke.

I'm an indy trading carebear but I don't find it that difficult to understand why a null sec corp doesn't want a non-teamplayer.

Money generally isn't an issue, it's pilots. While they're out defending their space, you hanging back throwing pennies into the corp wallet.

They want to play their way, you want to play your way. Find a way for you to do what you want that doesn't require being a drag to another person's play-style.

In null, good-will and isk only helps so much.

Im not a bot? Man even on the forums people are hostile. I dont get it

Im not a bot? Man even on the forums people are hostile. I dont get it

" I recently left because my corporation did not approve of my PvE playstyle"
And
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Azemar#losses


That's your reason why. You're just someone that likes to sponge off your alliance's space and lower their kb efficiency . I don't think you can see the entry or who made it, but I imagine it was the last corp you were in that blacklisted you for the alliance because you contribute **** all.
There's nothing wrong with PVE'ing in null. That's one of the main reasons why people are out there (besides the gudfites) ; but if it's all you do and you don't do anything else to contribute to your alliance then you might as well be running missions in high sec by yourself.

Cause Eve is all about numbers on a KB and not about hanging out and having fun with friends, blowing chit up, whatever. Any corp/alliance more worried about their KB numbers than playing the game isn't worth the code they are printed on.

Forgive the necro guys, the issue has long been resolved.

But just to clarify, this thread was made solely to ask why i was blacklisted, because it was done unjustly and screwed me over. I have come to see how only ratting barely contributes and have changed to a more industry focused playstyle to benefit my alliance.

I only made this thread because TEST gave me no opportunity (by blacklisting me for no reason) to change my playstyle.

It's a good lesson for everyone. Most sov holders have similar requirements. At the very least you should have a few fleet BS on hand for ops. However, you might join a pet alliance of some kind. They don't contribute to sov holding other than to pay their monthly dues, and the heavy lifting is in turn provided by the main sov holding alliance. It's the same playstyle you want to have now. You just wouldn't get to tell people you are in an a**-kicking alliance... you'd have to be satisfied with the label 'pet'. Still, it nets out and you get what you want. Should be an easy fix... just not sure if TEST even has pets. I would think they would eat them if bored. Or screw them over in some other way... if bored. Pretty much you don't want to be around TEST when they get bored, is a good rule of thumb.

A pet is a small alliance living on the good graces of a larger alliance, what you're talking about is a renter. Even "pet" alliances are expected to contribute and as such PvE only players still wouldn't be the right member for them.

TEST doesn't have renters and officially speaking we don't have pets. We do have "Fountain allies" who are blue to us and not the CFC as a whole. Generally speaking we treat these Fountain allies very well even when they're being terrible.

And Azemar, once again, your blacklist is only "advisory". It is only on the blacklist register because we don't have any other inter-coalition noticeboard and it does not prevent other corps in the CFC from recruiting you. But, it's good to see you're rethinking your playstyle. I wish you the best of luck.

I know right! Why cant i just enjoy plexing and getting deadspace lootz?

We see your true colors shining through....guys....whatta troll. He knows why, and he caught a line of suckers.