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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:22:00 -
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So there i was last night thinking, why are there so many emo in eve? Why do they think everything is the end of the world? Why must they be so emotional and feminine and cry and whine about something that isn't out yet? If they were truly as emo as they believe themselves to be, why wont they do what i wish my grass would do and cut itself. At least then there will be a million less threads with the same crap AND they can prove that they bleed black.
Oh yeah your wondering why i think FW is doomed before its released in ..less then a week from now. I know your expecting me to cut and paste the same crap that everyone else has been cut and pasting into their "FW is dead!" threads.
So...FW is doomed to fail. Yeah....because it sounds like it could make this game fun. It makes it sound like i wont have to fly around for hours in lowsec and 0.0 looking for a fight. Its doomed because its going to dumb down pvp because those agents directing me to the hotspots reduces the IQ needed to fly around 1,000 systems aimlessly whining about how lowsec is so damn dead these days.
Fw is doomed because....i can fly out where my agent told me and be in a ship that cost maybe a mil to buy and fit. I might lose that ship and then im going to have to...buy another one. FW is bad because ill only be able to afford about 20bajillion frigates to mindlessly have fun in. If i lose the last one ill have to mine or run L4s for an hour before being able to lose another 20billion frigates. My frigates aren't going to be oversized shuttles anymore and that makes me sad. Lets face it,unless your flying in a ship that costs 200mil and a few years of training, your not really "pvping", your just a noob!
FW is doomed, doooommmeedd I say because I wont have to worry about non corp/alliance players shooting me. We might actually go and meet some of the playerbase we have been forced to not trust,not talk to nor look at without risking being mugged and left for dead behind the M4 station. Why the hell would i want to make new friends working as a large group out to have fun without having to worry about losing 200mil isk in ship and parts? Thats lame! MMOs are meant to be played with a mindset that the gustapo is out to get you and your neighbor might turn you in for breathing to loud.
FW is DOOMEd!!!!!!! it is already in its digital coffin because FW is designed purely for 2 week old noobs. CCP has secretly added rules so those players with over 1 mil SP can't participate. But then again FW was just a light version of alliance warfare without all the overhead that some people hate, who needs that?
FW is doomed because all pirates will have God mode turn on and no one but a pirate is going to think of using a big expensive ship to go get kills. No one in FW will ever think of going and taking advantage of pirates being pounded on by gate turrets. uh uh, no sir all us FW players are to fraid to even think of it! we'll just lol and flip ya the bird as we warp off in our frigates that you can't touch. We will have to live with lolling even more as you attempt to block a gate we will warp to 0 at and enter the fight where you and your big bad t2 ship can't follow us.
FW is doomed, it has no hope because.....it might be fun and make the game something you have to assign 5 uninterupted hours in order to play, where you have to make sure you hit up the restroom before logging in because its all on the line and all about expensive ships and theres no pause button! No one is going to want to log in,fly out to a fight,win or lose in under 5 hours! I dont want anything fast that involves any fun!
FW is dOOMEEEDDDD because millions of short sighted noobs have said so. Its doomed because someone somehow unable to post on their main said so who heard from a guy who's sister is married to a guy that works in the same building with a girl that has a 3rd cousin that play tested FW and they think he said its doomed before tossing himself off a cliff.
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Nguyen VanPhuoc
The Halibuts
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:23:00 -
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:23:00 -
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Nguyen VanPhuoc
The Halibuts
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:24:00 -
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What was that word young man!?!
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Neth'Rae
Decorum Inc
Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:25:00 -
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Waah waah, crai more.. next please..
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Xonkra
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:26:00 -
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lol your corp name fits your post 
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Neth'Rae
Waah waah, crai more.. next please..
It's unfortunate that Factional Warfare agents will not be providing participants with free Reading Comprehension skillbooks.
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Bahhs Deep
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Bahhs Deep on 06/06/2008 15:31:26
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Neth'Rae
Waah waah, crai more.. next please..
It's unfortunate that Factional Warfare agents will not be providing participants with free Reading Comprehension skillbooks.
*signed
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4IROW
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:33:00 -
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tl;dr
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:36:00 -
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Ahhh im sorry to disappoint you ladies. I know you love reading how someone thinks FW is DOA. Link me your "unique" and "interesting" threads where you whine about FW and ill be sure to +1 it.
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Grimpak
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 06/06/2008 15:42:47
Originally by: Nguyen VanPhuoc
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Originally by: Winterblink
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Neth'Rae
Waah waah, crai more.. next please..
It's unfortunate that Factional Warfare agents will not be providing participants with free Reading Comprehension skillbooks.
Yeah, cause you might could use one. Neth' here was pointing out that the OP is whining about people who whine about everything. Irony at its finest I guess...
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:46:00 -
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Quote:
CCP has secretly added rules so those players with over 1 mil SP can't participate
wha
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skuko
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:48:00 -
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All you need is love, nah nah nahnah naaaaaah...
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Face Palmer
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.06.06 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Neth'Rae
Waah waah, crai more.. next please..
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.06.06 16:08:00 -
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Legion Of The Damned is DOOMED!!!
You are wrong... in all aspects of your post. You're doomed for actually spending the hour it took to come up with that crap.
FW > your life
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.06 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Wu Jiun on 06/06/2008 16:22:16
Originally by: ShardowRhino
FW is doomed because all pirates will have God mode turn on and no one but a pirate is going to think of using a big expensive ship to go get kills. No one in FW will ever think of going and taking advantage of pirates being pounded on by gate turrets. uh uh, no sir all us FW players are to fraid to even think of it!
this made me laugh. you are depicting the current hysteria pretty well. still unlike you i think fw will fail. just because the average player is an idiot, sadly. (and the hundreds of whine posts just give ample notice of this fact)
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.06 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Neth'Rae
Waah waah, crai more.. next please..
It's unfortunate that Factional Warfare agents will not be providing participants with free Reading Comprehension skillbooks.
Yeah, cause you might could use one. Neth' here was pointing out that the OP is whining about people who whine about everything. Irony at its finest I guess...
No, I'm pretty sure that he just took the post at it's face value.
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Mattikus
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.06 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Neth'Rae
Waah waah, crai more.. next please..
It's unfortunate that Factional Warfare agents will not be providing participants with free Reading Comprehension skillbooks.
This isnt college poindexter....
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Lord Evangelian
The White Mantle
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Posted - 2008.06.06 16:49:00 -
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Whats up with all the Noobs flaming CCP and Faction warfare...
You don't have to sign up if you think it will fail...you can sit and watch...
Who agrees? Or am I the one failing now?
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.06 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
That's about the size of it, yeah.
Originally by: techzer0
I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Mattikus
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.06 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Whats up with all the Noobs flaming CCP and Faction warfare...
You don't have to sign up if you think it will fail...you can sit and watch...
Who agrees? Or am I the one failing now?
Agreed but Im sure you will get plenty of "you fail" replies from the dorks, nerds and elitest.
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Gridwalker
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Posted - 2008.06.06 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Whats up with all the Noobs flaming CCP and Faction warfare...
You don't have to sign up if you think it will fail...you can sit and watch...
Who agrees? Or am I the one failing now?
I personally think FW will fail at what CCP intends for it to accomplish. I have no doubt, however, that plenty of people will attempt to make whatever they can out of it, and plenty will have a great time at it. I guess it all depends on what your success criteria is.
Either way, if no one posts on in--happy or sad--that is when CCP should really worry, because it means no one cares either way. I post to offer my criticism because I want CCP to understand how I feel about what they've done. It matters to me. I care about it. CCP can take that information and do whatever they want with it.
-Grid
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FOl2TY8
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.06.06 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: FOl2TY8 on 06/06/2008 17:17:23
I lol Shardow, nice post. I would like to add one tidbit if I may.
Faction War is DOOOOMED!! because there is no way that CCP can implement such a change without MY approval of every aspect of said change. To do so would be rubbing my insignificance in my own face when my parents CLEARLY told me several times that I am "special and someday I will find a woman/man who will love me for who I am and won't make fun of my acne scars." Besides if CCP had asked me to approve every detail of FW they would have included N@zi robots with black hair casually flipped over one eye because they are teh ownzor!!!!111one!one****fart!!!11!!!!
edit* i can't say ****?
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Jakkak
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Posted - 2008.06.06 17:25:00 -
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No one here can say ****, thats why no one here ever says anything worth saying 
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Yuleth Gix
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Posted - 2008.06.06 17:40:00 -
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TL;DR
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.06 17:49:00 -
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Methinks moar people would have got this thread had the op put some [sarcasm] tags at the front and end. But then again that would make it too obvious and we wouldn't get all these lovely dolts replying.
FW is DOOOOOOMED!!!
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.06 18:06:00 -
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Personally I blame Bush.
He's the one that started making preemptive this and preemptive that fashionable. And where do we end up from there? Preemptive whining.
OMG FW SI SO TEH FAIL LOLOLOLOL CCP U LOOSARS!!!!111  
Also to blame.
... and don't forget this guy either.
And before you accuse me of "whining about whining," no. I'm berating you. There's a difference.
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Bad Harlequin
Chiroptera Factor
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Posted - 2008.06.06 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Methinks moar people would have got this thread had the op put some [sarcasm] tags at the front and end. But then again that would make it too obvious and we wouldn't get all these lovely dolts replying.
FW is DOOOOOOMED!!!
/signed
/lolled
/sigh
needs to be a corp named this. now. go.
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Kan3r Blaze
Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2008.06.06 18:50:00 -
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Love it. Been wanting to write one of these threads myself.
Glad someone got around to it.
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.07 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiun
Edited by: Wu Jiun on 06/06/2008 16:22:16
Originally by: ShardowRhino
FW is doomed because all pirates will have God mode turn on and no one but a pirate is going to think of using a big expensive ship to go get kills. No one in FW will ever think of going and taking advantage of pirates being pounded on by gate turrets. uh uh, no sir all us FW players are to fraid to even think of it!
this made me laugh. you are depicting the current hysteria pretty well. still unlike you i think fw will fail. just because the average player is an idiot, sadly. (and the hundreds of whine posts just give ample notice of this fact)
holy crap someone that actually gets it. everyone is crying left and right with their moronic speculation as to how FW is dead before its released.
I really think a lot of people are mad that my thread mocks their mass hysteria instead of jumping on the bandwagon of whiners. Everyone of these fools needs to stfu and sit down until after FW is released and they give it some time to see how it actually performs.
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.07 03:05:00 -
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Edited by: ShardowRhino on 07/06/2008 03:06:07
Originally by: FOl2TY8
Edited by: FOl2TY8 on 06/06/2008 17:17:23
I lol Shardow, nice post. I would like to add one tidbit if I may.
Faction War is DOOOOMED!! because there is no way that CCP can implement such a change without MY approval of every aspect of said change. To do so would be rubbing my insignificance in my own face when my parents CLEARLY told me several times that I am "special and someday I will find a woman/man who will love me for who I am and won't make fun of my acne scars." Besides if CCP had asked me to approve every detail of FW they would have included N@zi robots with black hair casually flipped over one eye because they are teh ownzor!!!!111one!one****fart!!!11!!!!
edit* i can't say ****?
hahah if i had enough characters left i would but then i would have added hot japanese sexbots wearing french maid costumes as a prize.
Sarcasm tags? damn i was all out of those! If i had some left this Pithecanthropus fool wouldn't have made me lol in this thread here
I was starting to think that all of the eve players were as dense as him,glad to see others with some sense of humor
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Roshan longshot
Ordos Humanitas
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.07 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Quelque Chose
Personally I blame Bush.
He's the one that started making preemptive this and preemptive that fashionable. And where do we end up from there? Preemptive whining.
OMG FW SI SO TEH FAIL LOLOLOLOL CCP U LOOSARS!!!!111
Also to blame.
... and don't forget this guy either.
And before you accuse me of "whining about whining," no. I'm berating you. There's a difference.
Ok Where did hide the spy cam in my mini van?
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Biometronics Ltd
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Posted - 2008.06.07 06:41:00 -
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It's not so much that faction warfare is doomed right out of the gates, but omfg there is so much more that they could of done/promised to do, that hasn't or wouldn't be implemented. What ever happened to the AF boost/role? Rebalance/re-specc of interdictors? EW rebalance? Anyone use Black Ops yet?
I thought faction ships were going to get looked at, why are we getting more useless ones and a really OP Navy Omen? Why did Amarr ships swing from useless except the recons to uber except the Pilgrim?
WTF faction warfare?
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Neth'Rae
Decorum Inc
Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.07 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Corwain
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Neth'Rae
Waah waah, crai more.. next please..
It's unfortunate that Factional Warfare agents will not be providing participants with free Reading Comprehension skillbooks.
Yeah, cause you might could use one. Neth' here was pointing out that the OP is whining about people who whine about everything. Irony at its finest I guess...
No, I'm pretty sure that he just took the post at it's face value.
Tarminic, I thought you were a forum warrior..
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Neth'Rae
Decorum Inc
Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.07 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: Neth''Rae on 07/06/2008 07:39:17
double post, move along..
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.07 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas DW
It's not so much that faction warfare is doomed right out of the gates, but omfg there is so much more that they could of done/promised to do, that hasn't or wouldn't be implemented. What ever happened to the AF boost/role? Rebalance/re-specc of interdictors? EW rebalance? Anyone use Black Ops yet?
I thought faction ships were going to get looked at, why are we getting more useless ones and a really OP Navy Omen? Why did Amarr ships swing from useless except the recons to uber except the Pilgrim?
WTF faction warfare?
You have to think about what your saying there. Will buffing certain ships really add to the game more then FW?
will tinkering with amarr ships bring in extra income for ccp? will it give players more to choose to do?
blackopships are in game last i saw,been chased by one while in a thorax myself. even if theres something wrong with them will fixing it bring in more players? would it address the cries about lowsec being dead? will it give the players more things to do to have fun in the game?
I understand wanting certain ships and or gear to be worked on. You just have to ask how big of an effect with the small changes have compared to FW,where FW fills the gap between the ibis and 0.0 alliances.
If you have a problem with the things you mentioned, post about it and keep the fire going. I know some people attributed certain changes in another mmo to be because i hammered away at the topic and got people rallied behind the idea even if the elitist didn't like it. i wouldnt mind seeing an AF change, link me and ill +1 that thread.
The problem is suggesting the expansion is dead before its released is nonsense. people are even complaining about new players joining eve as though its a bad thing. some people dont get that CCP is a bussiness, it might care about its product more then other mmo companies but its still a profit oriented group. people that hate certain things about the game and want them fixed should welcome FW even if they took it as a promotion for the game to new players.
New players = increased revenue. Increased revenue = increased development thanks to CCP being able to increase their budget which can mean additional employees. Additional employees can help get work done faster and the faster CCP can get stuff done, the sooner they will get to fixing smaller stuff. People in eve have it good compared to those of us that played Planetside for years. if you want to see a company milking its players for profit and not reinvesting in the game and blowing all the money on krispy kreme doughnuts, look at soe. It seems like recently they have been changing their ways but for years we got nothing. i remember laughing at eve players that cried about extended DT because ccp was doing serious upgrades to the server. talk about crying about your free sportscar not being shiny enough.
they will get around to your list. just make sure you get heard for the right reasons,cause saying fw is doomed isn'tgoing to get the spotlight put on your topics.
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Babel
NEPHILIM Wing
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Posted - 2008.06.07 14:16:00 -
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ty sir - awesome post :)
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.07 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Babel
ty sir - awesome post :)
Anytime  , I love kicking and poking at the whiners
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Dionisius
The Circle
STYX.
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Posted - 2008.06.07 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Edited by: Grimpak on 06/06/2008 15:42:47
Originally by: Nguyen VanPhuoc
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Originally by: Winterblink
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NamZooo
Corpus PCG
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Posted - 2008.06.07 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: ShardowRhino
Originally by: Babel
ty sir - awesome post :)
Anytime , I love kicking and poking at the whiners
Irony Ftw! \o/
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.07 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: NamZooo
Originally by: ShardowRhino
Originally by: Babel
ty sir - awesome post :)
Anytime , I love kicking and poking at the whiners
Irony Ftw! \o/
sarcasm> all
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Forge Lag
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Posted - 2008.06.07 15:03:00 -
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OP is made of pure win. See you in militia. Yeah...
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.07 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Forge Lag
OP is made of pure win. See you in militia. Yeah...
what side are you joining?
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Segge Bolled
Rainy Day Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.07 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Quote:
CCP has secretly added rules so those players with over 1 mil SP can't participate
wha
Do not be alarmed, return to your Internets. The OP is full of ****. Nothing to see here.
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.07 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Segge Bolled
Originally by: MotherMoon
Quote:
CCP has secretly added rules so those players with over 1 mil SP can't participate
wha
Do not be alarmed, return to your Internets. The OP is full of ****. Nothing to see here.
Another one bites the dust!
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Funkcikle
DEATHFUNK
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.07 15:44:00 -
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Thread delivers, would read again
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Dravius Luxor
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.07 16:04:00 -
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Hee hee hee.
Thank you for cheering me up!
I look forward to fighting you, sir.
This thread just goes to show that most of the whiners, rather than being able to take in information and base solid arguments on it, are incapable of even reading one full post (and one to which they reply!).
CCP - take note.
Bravo!
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.07 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dravius Luxor
Hee hee hee.
Thank you for cheering me up!
I look forward to fighting you, sir.
This thread just goes to show that most of the whiners, rather than being able to take in information and base solid arguments on it, are incapable of even reading one full post (and one to which they reply!).
CCP - take note.
Bravo!
You and Funk, good to see 2 more people that can think for themselves and can get through a paragraph without crying about some random crap.
I gotta say i was surprised that someone can still come into this thread and still act the same way as those that initially replied to it. the lemming mentality of the whiners continues to amuse me.
As for me and my corp we are likely joining Amarr for no particular reason other then our current location..well that and the Amarr epeen award jpgs are the coolest that and apparently someone needs to subjugate these noobs and show them the way of the Blood God Emperor. crap, i might actually have to train amarr ships and lasers so i can cleanse the universe with the purifying blue light (corp/outfit propaganda that goes back 5 years in another game)
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Armoured C
Globaltech Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.06.07 18:16:00 -
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is this another FW whine as i cant be bothered to read and waste the brain power of little i have remaining just to find out it another nub
errrr yeah
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.07 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
is this another FW whine as i cant be bothered to read and waste the brain power of little i have remaining just to find out it another nub
errrr yeah
Yes, Yes it is now move along
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Armoured C
Globaltech Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.06.07 18:25:00 -
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these FW threads are going in circles like thsi guy
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Grayer
The Phalanx Expeditionary Conglomerate
The Gemini Project
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Posted - 2008.06.07 20:57:00 -
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+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!
'bout time someone posted the obvious.
Sarcasm is a lost art...
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Blood Bathroom
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Posted - 2008.06.08 03:16:00 -
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Ok first i aint trolling bout FW, i decided to give it a whirl b4 i judged it.... so far its pretty bad for somthing that has been yrs in development, I mean DAM lets throw in some useless crappy missions.... then get ppl to fight for systems that have no real rewards. I can say it will be good for the pirates. They def needed some love. but as far as the rest goes....
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Mizz Wolf
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Posted - 2008.06.08 03:44:00 -
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This post is made of win and awesome.
Props to the OP.
/me climbs in her rust-bucket Minmatar frig, checks for ammo and a spare roll of duct tape and undocks to go hunt some Amarr.
(You'd think CCP could edit their forum spell-checker to allow their own race names to be used without the squiggly underlines.)
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Evita Achura
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.08 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: ShardowRhino
FW will be ok stop whining...
Some how reading a post like this just isn't the same without the massive quantities of fail and whine that come from emo kids.
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.08 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Blood Bathroom
Ok first i aint trolling bout FW, i decided to give it a whirl b4 i judged it.... so far its pretty bad for somthing that has been yrs in development, I mean DAM lets throw in some useless crappy missions.... then get ppl to fight for systems that have no real rewards. I can say it will be good for the pirates. They def needed some love. but as far as the rest goes....
I give you credit for trying FW before posting your visions of doomsday for eve. But you gotta think about what you said about the missions getting people to fight for systems that have no real rewards. Sounds an awful lot like 0.0 space to me. I've been there and I spent most of my time trying to find a system to make some isk in only to find a ton of other pilots farming away. I fought to defend the area but i didn't really get anything out of it as any isk i was able to make never covered my losses.
I wasn't the leader of the alliance nor a CEO within it, so i didn't really get mine by defending the area other then through kills.
So if FW is full of "pointless" fights over "pointless" systems where we get "pointless" rewards, its going to be a lot like what i said it would be. A lot of fights which equals fun. Fighting over ground without the high overhead of 0.0 pos warfare which reduces the isk induced stress by 99.999% which reinforces the fun from the fights.
As for the rewards you think little of, you shouldn't question the driving force a small .jpg and title within a game can get people to do. Its about epeen and if your not looking to get a bigger epeen then your not enjoying games as much as possible.
Myself as well as everyone else I know that games has always wanted to win,you can have fun and not win but winning and having fun is the best. It didn't matter if it was way back in the day when i was stuck playing StraweberrySHortcake adventure on the Atari 2600 with my sister because she played Combat or pacman with me in trade. It was about winning then and its about winning in any game i play now. If i found myself forced into exile on hellokitty online im going to be playing to win since i wouldnt be having any other fun.
FW isn't about rewards, its about the fun of low entry,easily sustainable pvp. Its about working with other people you would have never talked to before or dare to gang up with in lowsec before out of fear of being set up goon style. Its about fighting for objectives ,winning and taking systems(even if it resets every monday) because having fun and winning and dominating the other side in a fairly balanced fight is pure frakin ownage.
Let the pirates come out to play, i've got no problem with them doing so. They will get their wins and losses just like the rest of us. Hopefully they have just as much fun as those in FW.
If people want prizes for participating then they need to go do standard missions,FW isn't for them. Those that want to get into FW for the fights and for fun are going to end up forcing babies looking for isk and doorrpizes right out the door. I think the game play of FW doesn't match up to what so many in eve are used to that they cant see past their own blackhole because its about the isk or shiny shiny lp goodies. even if its "badly" done and people get in and pewpew on the cheap and without worry, your bound to start having fun and then your going to realize what the Frak the Rhino was talkin bout. 
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SCSPOOK
16th Interspacial Dynasty
The 11th Hour
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Posted - 2008.06.08 06:00:00 -
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LEAVE BRITTANY ALONE !!!!
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Kame Malice
Mitsukashi Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2008.06.08 08:18:00 -
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I love how at least a third of you dont sence the underlying sarcasm and hidden taunts and jibes...
just saying. XD
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.08 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kame Malice
I love how at least a third of you dont sence the underlying sarcasm and hidden taunts and jibes...
just saying. XD
Shhhhh...!!!
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.06.08 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 08/06/2008 08:49:54
Skip to bottom for a abstract of ShadowRhino post and comment.
Originally by: ShardowRhino
I give you credit for trying FW before posting your visions of doomsday for eve. But you gotta think about what you said about the missions getting people to fight for systems that have no real rewards. Sounds an awful lot like 0.0 space to me. I've been there and I spent most of my time trying to find a system to make some isk in only to find a ton of other pilots farming away. I fought to defend the area but i didn't really get anything out of it as any isk i was able to make never covered my losses.
I wasn't the leader of the alliance nor a CEO within it, so i didn't really get mine by defending the area other then through kills.
So if FW is full of "pointless" fights over "pointless" systems where we get "pointless" rewards, its going to be a lot like what i said it would be. A lot of fights which equals fun. Fighting over ground without the high overhead of 0.0 pos warfare which reduces the isk induced stress by 99.999% which reinforces the fun from the fights.
As for the rewards you think little of, you shouldn't question the driving force a small .jpg and title within a game can get people to do. Its about epeen and if your not looking to get a bigger epeen then your not enjoying games as much as possible.
Myself as well as everyone else I know that games has always wanted to win,you can have fun and not win but winning and having fun is the best. It didn't matter if it was way back in the day when i was stuck playing StraweberrySHortcake adventure on the Atari 2600 with my sister because she played Combat or pacman with me in trade. It was about winning then and its about winning in any game i play now. If i found myself forced into exile on hellokitty online im going to be playing to win since i wouldnt be having any other fun.
FW isn't about rewards, its about the fun of low entry,easily sustainable pvp. Its about working with other people you would have never talked to before or dare to gang up with in lowsec before out of fear of being set up goon style. Its about fighting for objectives ,winning and taking systems(even if it resets every monday) because having fun and winning and dominating the other side in a fairly balanced fight is pure frakin ownage.
Let the pirates come out to play, i've got no problem with them doing so. They will get their wins and losses just like the rest of us. Hopefully they have just as much fun as those in FW.
If people want prizes for participating then they need to go do standard missions,FW isn't for them. Those that want to get into FW for the fights and for fun are going to end up forcing babies looking for isk and doorrpizes right out the door. I think the game play of FW doesn't match up to what so many in eve are used to that they cant see past their own blackhole because its about the isk or shiny shiny lp goodies. even if its "badly" done and people get in and pewpew on the cheap and without worry, your bound to start having fun and then your going to realize what the Frak the Rhino was talkin bout.
"I like FW because it is pure PvP with some pseudo PvE coating" "I love epeen waving so the rank rewards are sufficent".
Fine for you. You are the true target of FW. But as a system to attract lots PvErs to PvP it seen to have very little chance of success. In theory attracting PvErs to PvP was a big part in the FW idea, in practice it will have the same effect of the others attempt to lure people in low sec.
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.08 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Fine for you. You are the true target of FW. But as a system to attract PvErs to PvP it seen to have very little chance of success.
"It has very little chance of success because I think i know everything and everyone and have decided for all that we don't like FW because we like being bored to tears farming rats all day"
I have found that the vocal majority in any game is always wrong.They will **** and moan about anything other t hen a roll back to the beta version of a game. even then they will want to roll back to when the game was just a pile of sketches,notes and ideas in the minds of the designers.
Lets face it, the majority of players haven't said a word about FW's chances. Most will look at the torrent of whining threads and be disgusted that they are even playing the same game with such people.
One thing i have noticed from the dedicated pvers that i have talked to end up saying a few things that holds true for the others.
1.they dont pvp because they see it as griefing. they might fight if there is a wardec against them but they would hesitate to fight if their corp was the aggressor.
2. They will pvp if they are forced to defend their area(in lowsec obviously) but only after someone else undocks first that they consider to be a pvper.anti-pirate= anti-griefer, see where this is going?
3. in addition to 1 and 2 they see no reason to pvp because its not part of the storyline of eve. they see storyline missions as being their way of being a part of the eve story.
4.They just haven't gotten around to it.
5. they are afraid that they would be useless without an expensive t2 fitted t2 ship so they will bide their time.
6. Its to expensive, what if they get popped after dropping a few hundred mil isk into a ship and lose it since they never pvpedbefore?
of course you can discount the above because you and all the others some how know everything,right? But for those that know what logic is, you will see that being part of a war between empires = story line involvment. Ranks=reward.ship restrictions=SP cap,level playing field and i cant stress this enough "Low entry fee,easily sustainable"pvp.
if people need isk they can go farm roids or grind l4s just like they have been all this time. nothing is going to stop them,ccp isnt removing them. no one is saying "hey ,stop doing that !".
whats going to happen is all the whiners will be in fw trying to act like they werent being complete idiots before release. those that didn't post are going to be split into 2 groups. the largest group will be shortsighted nubs that will take the word of a pack of cry babies going on about nothing that is being forced on them. that first group will not bother because of the overwhelming whining and *****ing and pmsing on the forum.
The 2nd group is going to be the ones that can think for themselves and they are going to give FW a real try and see how they like it. They will do some L4s and do some FW until the pvp disease gains control and L4s will only be something done to feed the addiction. just like all of the bandwagon riding,nostrodummazes spamming the forum about its over before it starts. those whiners will eventually disgust the group that can think forthemselves and find that they are left in the dust to cry by themselves.
seriously ccp gives us free expansions and does a lot more for its game then ive seen another company do. sure fw is late but its still a free expansion with something new to do. sure beats paying for a sub in one mmo only to see the company use your sub money to give another mmo of theirs shiney new griffin towers and sparkely hilts and other crap of the sort.
I guess everyone should boycott FW when its released to show ccp that they should bend to the will of bandwagon,pole jockeying forum*****s. Damn you ccp! scrap all the work you put into this expansion and get to work on another,hopefully one the outspoken forumwhiners will authorize.
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.06.08 09:41:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 08/06/2008 09:42:19
You see, your points 1, 2 and 3 are valid for me too, so I can see what my kind of PvErs reaction will be.
While FW resolve partially those points, it raise other points that will keep my kind of players away from it.
1) PvP is boring. As FW is primarily PvP with a tiny coat of PvE it will be mostly boring as well.
2) no one like to be trust in the position of the sacrificial lamb and those that will try to follow the RP/storyline part of FW will be exactly in that position. They will go in the FW combat regions with T1 frigates and cruisers to do the missions or complexes and find that they targets are defended by T2 ships or BS, that pirates hunt them freely with whatever ship they like and that when they succeed the rewards are inexistent, while the penalty for failure are as usual pretty steep.
So those that will enter PvP for reason 1-3 will leave it for my reason 2) unless they find that they like PvP a lot.
You and those that like PvP will like FW, no doubt, but you are probably already doing it in low sec or 0.0, so I see little change there.
I find a bit funny that you accuse people of being a "know it all" when you have exactly the same attitude.
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Dictum Factum
Gemini Sun
Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.06.08 09:42:00 -
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Heh, nice OP.
I know less than you think I do.
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.08 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: ShardowRhino on 08/06/2008 10:31:13
Edited by: ShardowRhino on 08/06/2008 10:29:02
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Edited by: Venkul Mul on 08/06/2008 09:42:19
You and those that like PvP will like FW, no doubt, but you are probably already doing it in low sec or 0.0, so I see little change there.
I find a bit funny that you accuse people of being a "know it all" when you have exactly the same attitude.
Sup Violent
Venkul,lets get this straight, shooting at rats that have extremely little AI built into them is considered what to you,Venkul? Is it exciting to run the same...oh 20 missions over and over again day after day,week after week year after year? Is the lack of a challenge what keeps you subbed to eve? Or do you somehow find doing the same mission to be a challenge?
Is the idea of going against other players really "boring" as in it really bores you instead of scares you,where the word "boring" is used instead of "scares"? I don't see how one can consider pveing to be more fun and exciting over going against other living,breathing,thinking players out to kill you. if its anything it isn't boring when compared to poorly designed AI. please by all means explain how pve isn't boring compared to pvp,being serious here.
your number2 smells exactly what its called. sacrificial lambs? you seriously bought all of the whines on the forum about FW. your already afraid of all the uber,godmode pirates that will have to fly BCs and bigger in order to tank the gate turrets in lowsec. it sounds like you never pvped before so ill let you in on a little secret, bigger ships have longer lock on times against smaller ships. gate guns pop drones dead. gallante ships have really short range with blasters and dead drones. frigs will have a speed advantage,align advantage and are hard to hit because they are small targets. so lay off the fear buffet they have been feeding you.
not everyone in FW is going to be a pver poking his head out of their shell. That goes for pirates and militia players alike. people are going to know where the pirates are and again since youve never pvped before, people tend to organize a group to bust gate camps when they know whaat they will be facing. my suggestion is have a pvp fitted bs just behind the frontlines along with a supply of frigs. if the gate camps are spotted you can quickly get into the bs and rally with the rest of your militia and go bust open that camp.
as for defenders,pirates and any others showing up to the fights,they are also restricted to certain ships in order to enter the combat zone. the idea that a pirate bs gang is going to appear wont happen all the time and if they can use a BS you and your militia will also be able to use them. also its in lowsec meaning no warpbubbles so any bs camping the gate to the fight is a certified tard since he cant lock and pop you before you right click,"activate gate" and flip him off as you get thrown down the gate's rail.
you also counter your #2 by acknowledging that not all FW players will be fresh pver meat.if your lost ask for help and those that have been in lowsec and or 0.0 will answeryour questions and give suggestions. so the pirates and other randoms wont be going against all inexpereinced players and their mindset that they have already won is going to get them killed.
as for the rewards and failures. what penalty are you going to suffer if you lose???!basically NOTHING! so why expect massive rewards?!? try playing a game for fun instead of imaginary prizes and money you dont need cause you dont lose ships pveing...least you shouldnt.
as for me accusing people of being know it alls, that part is true. i call em what they are and point out their flawed logic. As for you suggesting i am just like them shows how confused you truly are. i look beyond "OMG CHANGE!! NOEZ!" and fear mongering , I look at the game and extrapolate, before saying a word. That is a huge difference from talking first,thinking 2nd.
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.06.08 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 08/06/2008 10:59:17
You think all people operate with your set of priorityes.
Yes, I found PvP combat in EVE pretty BORING. Losing a ship or the pod has no real consequences as I have enough isk and resources to recover them multiple times.
Spending 2 hours hunting for a fight that is not totally one side (my side of the other side is indifferent) is boring, more than managing market; gatecamping to get a ship, whatever ship, is boring, more boring than mining; waiting for a fleet to assemble is boring, more than running missions for getting the standing for refining or better selling taxes.
You find PvP exciting as, in your word, E-peen waving is beautiful, I found e-peen waving totally boring.
Luckily for me EVE has other things that PvP combat.
FW complex and fight seem a good way to get a interesting combo of PvP and PvE if people stick to the FW limitatio, but as PvP is foremost E-peen waving they will use the best ship they can and the balance will go out of the window (BTW: I know what a sensor booster is, so your "slow locking time" is mostly a lie).
My logic if flawed only if you think that you are the holder of truth.
I say that FW will not work to attract players like me to PvP and if it is intended to attract us (like some of the Devs have stated) it will fail in that.
You say I don't know my mind.
Who is doing assumptions on what the other feel?
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as for the rewards and failures. what penalty are you going to suffer if you lose???!basically NOTHING! so why expect massive rewards?!? try playing a game for fun instead of imaginary prizes and money you dont need cause you dont lose ships pveing...least you shouldnt.
Losing standing with both my faction for failed missions and the enemy faction for killed ship to me is a penalty. Naturally as you will play only (as from your word it seem you will do) the PvP part you will not feel that penalty. People trying to do the RP PvE part will feel it. Losing standing to 1 of the enemy camps is goo, to both is a way to failure.
And you can be sure the number of failed missions will be large.
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Carniflex
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.06.08 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
You think all people operate with your set of priorities.
Yes, I found PvP combat in EVE pretty BORING. Losing a ship or the pod has no real consequences as I have enough isk and resources to recover them multiple times.
I'm with venkul on this one. I find pvp boring. I do it for the glory of my corporation bcos it's one of the jobs that needs to be done. Same as someone has to fuel the POS'es. I would go as far as say that I don't like pvp bcos for me it usually means a POS siege or gate camp. My 'fun' part of EVE lies elsewhere and it's pretty expencive isk wise. Thus I do lev 4 missions to fund my 'fun' part of EVE. If FW is intended to lure the usual pve guy out to pvp then show me some isk and I'm game. I have no problems shooting other players as long as I would earn more doing it than I do grinding the same 20 lev 4 missions over and over again.
At the end of day it's question of attitude. I'm sure that those who already like to pvp will find the FW to be interesting and rewarding. I myself will see. Perhaps next iterations of it seem to me rewarding enough to participate.
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.08 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Edited by: Venkul Mul on 08/06/2008 10:59:17
FW complex and fight seem a good way to get a interesting combo of PvP and PvE if people stick to the FW limitatio, but as PvP is foremost E-peen waving they will use the best ship they can and the balance will go out of the window (BTW: I know what a sensor booster is, so your "slow locking time" is mostly a lie).
My logic if flawed only if you think that you are the holder of truth.
I say that FW will not work to attract players like me to PvP and if it is intended to attract us (like some of the Devs have stated) it will fail in that.
You say I don't know my mind.
Who is doing assumptions on what the other feel?
Losing standing with both my faction for failed missions and the enemy faction for killed ship to me is a penalty. Naturally as you will play only (as from your word it seem you will do) the PvP part you will not feel that penalty. People trying to do the RP PvE part will feel it. Losing standing to 1 of the enemy camps is goo, to both is a way to failure.
And you can be sure the number of failed missions will be large.
First off you kill part of your argument about pvp being boring. FW is not going to be the same as flying around in lowsec for hours trying to find a fight. So i find that funny.
but let me do what you did earlier and give an abstract of your post.
"I am afraid to pvp because i know i will fail. i will fail because i wont try. i will say and do anything to avoid pvp because i know i will fail"
also if your going to use the phrase "in your own words" make sure you actually use the words of the person your talking about. Games are boring if all your doing is beating on poorly designed ai that you have farmed for years already .it is boring to play a game with zero risk. to play a game where you know that there is zero chance of losing makes you the worst kind of epeener out there as you dont put anything on the line,ever and cower from a slight risk.
your go on about fw as though its going to be the same thing you could find in an alliance blobfest. the same as hunting in empty low sec systems. So to suggest that old pvp and fw pvp will be the same shows that you are truly confused. which reinforces the idea that your logic is indeed flawed. just look at the idea you think people will be able to get around the ship limitations as though your going to see command ships in a frig only zone.
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Luckily for me EVE has other things that PvP combat.
can you tell me why your posting about something you clearly have no interest in? you can say its the standng or the ships others will be using but clearly that is just stuff you pile on top to cover up the real problem. The problem you have with FW is that there is a pvp element to it. ccp could remove the standings penalty,block non militia players from attacking fw players and you will still say FW will fail. It will fail because its not another L4 mission for you to farm for no risk rewards in standings,isk,loot and salvage.
Had CCP said FW is pure pve L4 2.0 you would wet yourself out of joy. you would fully embrace another way to make isk without ever putting yourself in a position to lose.Even though they clearly designed it to be easy on the wallet and SP youll find any excuse to not put anything on the line.
its sad really,you hint at wanting to be able to interact with the game's story but draw the line when you might risk losing. Last i checked you gain standing by doing regular missions so what would stop you from being in FW,maybe losing and going to do some L4s to get the standing back up? The answer is nothing but its just not the easymode,cruise control version. Because its not your going to act as though CCP is the one that is failing somehow by not just handing things to you on a silver,no risk platter.
to be honest i was surprised you knew what a sensor booster was.
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.06.08 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 08/06/2008 11:58:34
Originally by: ShardowRhino
your go on about fw as though its going to be the same thing you could find in an alliance blobfest. the same as hunting in empty low sec systems. So to suggest that old pvp and fw pvp will be the same shows that you are truly confused. which reinforces the idea that your logic is indeed flawed. just look at the idea you think people will be able to get around the ship limitations as though your going to see command ships in a frig only zone.
Yes, I am saying that FW will be 95% the same low sec PvP and I am convinced of that.
Originally by: ShardowRhino
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Luckily for me EVE has other things that PvP combat.
can you tell me why your posting about something you clearly have no interest in? you can say its the standng or the ships others will be using but clearly that is just stuff you pile on top to cover up the real problem. The problem you have with FW is that there is a pvp element to it. ccp could remove the standings penalty,block non militia players from attacking fw players and you will still say FW will fail. It will fail because its not another L4 mission for you to farm for no risk rewards in standings,isk,loot and salvage.
Had CCP said FW is pure pve L4 2.0 you would wet yourself out of joy. you would fully embrace another way to make isk without ever putting yourself in a position to lose.Even though they clearly designed it to be easy on the wallet and SP youll find any excuse to not put anything on the line.
its sad really,you hint at wanting to be able to interact with the game's story but draw the line when you might risk losing. Last i checked you gain standing by doing regular missions so what would stop you from being in FW,maybe losing and going to do some L4s to get the standing back up? The answer is nothing but its just not the easymode,cruise control version. Because its not your going to act as though CCP is the one that is failing somehow by not just handing things to you on a silver,no risk platter.
I am posting because I have still a little hope CCP will listen to people like me and correct some of the flaw that I perceive. Or leave the closet and say (as some of the Dev have said, but only in the non official threads) that FW is PvP and the rest is fluff.
As I am not grinding mission for Faction standing or isk the thought of grinding 16 normal mission + 1 storyline to recover the standing lost to my faction in 1 failed mission is not something that interest me. In the last month this character has done at most 10 missions.
Last week I have spent trying to find the guys in a corp that has wardecced mine (and two other) and then have discovered that they have bitten to much as one of the other corp has paid my old alliance to wardec them (wasn't me I think paying a wardec from a alliance to 7 person a corp with already 3 wars is really a waste of isk).
To reiterate, it can seem incomprensible to you, but PvP combat to me is totally uninteresting, something I can endure to do other things in game.
The only form of PvP I can find (barely) interesting is when the fighters are more or less evenly matched, but that is the less common kind of PvP combat in EVE.
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.08 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: Venkul Mul
You think all people operate with your set of priorities.
Yes, I found PvP combat in EVE pretty BORING. Losing a ship or the pod has no real consequences as I have enough isk and resources to recover them multiple times.
I'm with venkul on this one. I find pvp boring. I do it for the glory of my corporation bcos it's one of the jobs that needs to be done. Same as someone has to fuel the POS'es. I would go as far as say that I don't like pvp bcos for me it usually means a POS siege or gate camp. My 'fun' part of EVE lies elsewhere and it's pretty expencive isk wise. Thus I do lev 4 missions to fund my 'fun' part of EVE. If FW is intended to lure the usual pve guy out to pvp then show me some isk and I'm game. I have no problems shooting other players as long as I would earn more doing it than I do grinding the same 20 lev 4 missions over and over again.
At the end of day it's question of attitude. I'm sure that those who already like to pvp will find the FW to be interesting and rewarding. I myself will see. Perhaps next iterations of it seem to me rewarding enough to participate.
Seriously there seems to be a serious problem with the eve player base. no one wants to get in a fight that might be fair,run,call for back up then go back. others want to be completely immune to any hostile actions. Then theres those that want tons of prizes for any thing they do. no one seems to know how to have fun just for the hell of it.
Next,how exactly would you suggest ccp dole out isk for FW? they cant do it based off of kills because youll have everyone firing once at every target like they do to get on KMs. Also you cant do it based on how many hostile players are there as people will fill the other side with alts in shuttles to pump up the payout. you cant really give it per capture since that will deffinitely encourage blobbing and nothing but because he who shows up with the biggest blob wins.
also FW doesnt sound like it was designed to replace L4 missions for grinding for isk. The idea they should change it into that is pointless,not that a lot of people like venkul will join in as they simply fear the idea of losing anything. if you want to grind isk go do missions and if you want to have fun go to a militia agent and join the fight.
i cant picture a guy like venkul playing an fps. he wont get loot and he wont get in game money to horde and he will be putting himself at risk of actually losing.
i blame ccp in a way for creating players like him.Ive known some like that and because people can go years without ever having to pvp they get used to never losing, never risking anything and always getting goodies for it. to be honest i dont care if people like him don't join FW because such people are so set in their ways they will never change.
The good thing about FW is that its going to reduce the number of new players that wind up like venkul. Its going to be attractive to them as they havent set into a no loss routine for years. they will learn that losing isn't going to kill you.
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Zey Nadar
Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem
Einherjar Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.08 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Zey Nadar on 08/06/2008 13:32:47
Originally by: ShardowRhino
Seriously there seems to be a serious problem with the eve player base. no one wants to get in a fight that might be fair,run,call for back up then go back. others want to be completely immune to any hostile actions. Then theres those that want tons of prizes for any thing they do. no one seems to know how to have fun just for the hell of it.
You pretty much summed it, and the reason is of course inherent inbalance of combat in a game with RPG-style character progression + items. There is no practical way to make the fights even, so why even bother. Personally however, all forms of PVE in this game are even more boring than the little pvp I get.
Im thinking more about what new does this offer that wouldnt be available already.. We got deadspace gates with ship size lockdown, lowsec combat, war between corps etc. FW actually adds very little to the equation, but paints it a bit with bright colours and makes us think its something new. I guess its really newcomer friendly no-brains introduction to different forms of current pvp (wars, lowsec) and thats it. We shouldnt expect anything more.
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Dravius Luxor
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.08 13:48:00 -
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My perspective:
I wandered high and low sec looking for shinies in my first month of Eve, and it was that long before I first got killed.
The adrenaline rush made me want to go out killing, BUT:
1. At that time I was unable to fly the ships I wanted to fly, and use the weapons I wanted to use, so I did missions.
2. I understood that PvP is not a solo activity, but was daunted by finding the right corp to join. Plus, I hate to ask for things, so could not bring myself to apply. So I did more missions.
3. I do not agress. Why would I? I also never fit scrams. If you want to run away, then run away - you have lost. After a couple of weeks trying to find fights, guess what? I did more missions.
So, as you can see, I am one of the highsec mission runners. I have no business in lowsec, to the point that it would be foolish of me to go there. Hence I do not.
But now CCP are giving me a reason to go there, they're giving me enemies, and they're giving my enemies a reason to go there.
I can also join or leave my corp (militia) as I choose, without having to "prove myself", or "earn trust". I don't even have to make an effort if I don't want to, but I will.
I believe there are a lot of people out there like me, people who played the E.V. series and similar, and thus settled on Eve as the next stage of their interstellar career.
I also believe that you will not hear from many of them, at least until FW is released, because we're not very vocal.
The only reason I started posting on these forums is because CCP have a DISASTROUS tendency to listen to their customers instead of doing what they know is right. I can't stress this enough.
@OP: This is a remarkably successful thread. It highlights the underlying problem with these forums and the vocal customer base, while maintaining a 'readability' second to none due to the persistent comments of those who do not read before replying.
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Carniflex
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.06.08 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: ShardowRhino
Seriously there seems to be a serious problem with the eve player base. no one wants to get in a fight that might be fair,run,call for back up then go back. others want to be completely immune to any hostile actions. Then theres those that want tons of prizes for any thing they do. no one seems to know how to have fun just for the hell of it.
I have had some fun pvp against noob mercs when they decced us. Lost a cerberus to their small gang and it was a blast. Lasted 9 minutes and 32 seconds of even fight against their few cruisers/BC's and small swarm of frigs. Losing or winning it can be a blast. I guess it could be called fair fight it was there as it was hanging kinda both ways for better part of the fight, with them taking some smaller ship losses while trying to keep my ship tackled and eventually still managing to get thru my tank. Reason why I state that I find pvp to be boring is that those kind of fights are rare exception in EVE, so rare that I can count that kind of fights on the fingers of my one hand from the past approx 2 years. I do understand that CCP are trying to encourage exactly that kind of stuff in FW, I just dont see it happening. I see the so called 'regular' pvp down there. You kow, station hugging, gate camping, occasional capital hotdrop. To get me to participate in that 'regular' pvp you would need to put so huge cookie on the table that I would be willing to endure the fustrations of the 'regular' pvp to get that.
It's just the nature of EVE. Rare are the pilots who are living just for the fight like Outbreak for example. Most are playing for the win, meaning logoffskis and doing whatever else they see fit to gain the edge. Be it then blobbing or capital hotdrops. |
ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.09 02:17:00 -
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The only time we are going to see capital hotdrops in FW will likely be at the final fight for the system where anything goes. It makes sense that the last fight for control of a system will include everything as it should be a big and bitter fight to the death due to whats at stake.
what we aren't going to see is station/pos hugging simply because the stations or individual players wont be the target. if someone wants to hump the station or a pos, thats fine, thats one less person trying to stop my side from taking the system.
As for capital ships, if people get a taste for pvp,even the slightest bit, they are going to rush off to the nearest fight where a hostile capship is tackled. I've seen in alliance where no one wants to really get up and kick a small group of hostiles out of system but as soon as someone says "OMFG we got X's carrier tacked in Y system,GET HERE!" you see everyone asking for an invite and getting into their best ship. why? capships are big fat tasty kills. Cap pilots that think they aren't going to get such a rabid reaction in FW will find themselves in a pod sooner rather then later.
ship restrictions in the actual fights will create fair fights or as close to it as possible. The only way to create even more balanced fights in FW is to create a population cap for the 2 participating militias in that system. if CCP were to set a 20 vs 20 or 100 vs 100 limits on the combat zone in addition to ship restrictions,then it would be even closer to "fair".
But as far as numbers go, a militia can blob the hell out of one system and be sure to take it. The problem is if you focus to much on a single system your going to leave a lot of areas undefended. Since the only defense of these areas are actual players, the hostile militia will take 2 or 3 systems for your 1 blobbed system. This will force people to spread their forces out to make sure that the other side needs to fight for anything they take. So that alone will break up blobs and if not, punish the blob by losing more then they gain.
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.09 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dravius Luxor
The only reason I started posting on these forums is because CCP have a DISASTROUS tendency to listen to their customers instead of doing what they know is right. I can't stress this enough.
@OP: This is a remarkably successful thread. It highlights the underlying problem with these forums and the vocal customer base, while maintaining a 'readability' second to none due to the persistent comments of those who do not read before replying.
The problem with the vocal minority and ccp listening to them is that its not just ccp and eve's minority. This problem was true in another mmo run by another company(planetside and SOE(everquest)). In that game i ended up doing exactly what you thought about. That the reason to get into the forum posting is to try and break up the vocal minority's party and give the company that runs the game the opinion of a customer that can think past the benifits for themselves and their empire.
What I have found in the past in PS and with this thread in Eve is that not everyone that opposes the view of the bandwagon riding whiners will post on their own. The reason is that a lot just dont want to bother but the main reason is becuase of the flames,trolling that will happen. I can't blame them, it used to be annoying at first until I started to make it work for me.
In PS i got the devs to change something about the game that ****ed off all but roughly 10% of the playerbase. I had people hounding me on the forum regardless of the subject i was posting about. I had people sending me angry hate tells. I had people talking trash about me in local and trying to confront me and attempt to make me look like i was the fool. The problem was it all backfired on them. They ended up looking like the fool. They ended up being hounded by the majority of the playerbase that was emboldened to speak out against that elitist group that was the vocal minority. They ended taking a hit to their reputation,not me nor the others that was sick of the 10% speaking on the other 90%'s behalf.
While the thread is 3pages long theres been over a 1000 page views. I'm sure there are a lot of silent forum readers that agree but don't post but agree with the anti-whiner message of the thread. Honestly I wish those that do agree but normally do not post on the forums at all, to just post and give a "+1 agree" message. If the silent majority were to do that it would speak volumes in comparison to the flood of threads created by whiners. People need to start seeing the forums as a method of voting.
By creating a very few,focused,clearly written threads that are backed by the players belonging to the silent minority with "+1 agree" or "./agree" or any other message that shows they are in agreement with the thread's view, you crush a number of weak,emotional,frantic,selfish threads with ease. You also send a clear message to the Devs as to what you want,like and dislike.
With that said, thanks for posting Dravius and everyone else that has spoken out against the whiners. To those that agree and haven't post,help send the Devs a clear message by posting. The last thing we should want is to allow the whiners to hijack the game or cause CCP to shelve other ideas that we think would be fun out of fear of the backlash generated by the whiners. Keep it going
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