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Kirja Delantae
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Posted - 2004.05.09 13:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Kirja Delantae
SolApathy:
The biggest carebears in this are those hiding 160km away from the gates.
They get all the reward, none of the risk. The sec hit is neglible, as are any ammo costs.
I can't wait for the day people like you are whining about CCP increasing the Sentry Gun range again.
well i see no picture -> new or an alt. so please dont talk like big daddy
This is a new character; my old one was deleted due to crappy stats.
Try again.
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SolApathy
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Posted - 2004.05.09 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kirja Delantae
SolApathy:
The biggest carebears in this are those hiding 160km away from the gates.
They get all the reward, none of the risk. The sec hit is neglible, as are any ammo costs.
I can't wait for the day people like you are whining about CCP increasing the Sentry Gun range again.
You almost made me choke on my cereal.
We used to camp at 60 until people like YOU whined constantly for CCP to do something about the evil pirates. They increased the range to 150 KM and it ended up backfiring on the carebears because you can no longer have ppl warp in close to us.
The only reason I miss the 60KM gate camp is because it actually allowed us the opportunity to engage in some PVP action with other people if they wanted to challenge us.
As far as sec hits being negligible....Heh... I would like to see you go around with a -5.0 sec rating. I'm sorry but in case you don't know what that means...It means that you can't go anywhere except .4 - 0.0 & anyone can shoot you anywhere without the sentry guns shooting back.
Now if you want to call that negligible be my guest, but i will not be the only one laughing at you.
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Kirja Delantae
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Posted - 2004.05.09 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: SolApathy
Originally by: Kirja Delantae
SolApathy:
The biggest carebears in this are those hiding 160km away from the gates.
They get all the reward, none of the risk. The sec hit is neglible, as are any ammo costs.
I can't wait for the day people like you are whining about CCP increasing the Sentry Gun range again.
You almost made me choke on my cereal.
We used to camp at 60 until people like YOU whined constantly for CCP to do something about the evil pirates. They increased the range to 150 KM and it ended up backfiring on the carebears because you can no longer have ppl warp in close to us.
The only reason I miss the 60KM gate camp is because it actually allowed us the opportunity to engage in some PVP action with other people if they wanted to challenge us.
As far as sec hits being negligible....Heh... I would like to see you go around with a -5.0 sec rating. I'm sorry but in case you don't know what that means...It means that you can't go anywhere except .4 - 0.0 & anyone can shoot you anywhere without the sentry guns shooting back.
Now if you want to call that negligible be my guest, but i will not be the only one laughing at you.
If you do the crime....
My old character wasn't able to enter Empire space, yet I survived perfectly well. Therefore, it was neglible as far as I'm concerned.
Likewise; if you're so heavy on PVP, why are you picking on targets that have little chance of fighting back? Why not go somewhere that....gasp!....provide some sort of challenge?
Oh, wait...I forgot.
Your just the 0.4 version of Veldspar miners.
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SolApathy
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Posted - 2004.05.09 13:30:00 -
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Well as soon as you stop flaming and actually read the posts you would see THAT is how we make money.
We don't like mining; we don't mine, and never will mine. If you don't like us declare war on us.
.4 veld miners? What is that supposed to mean.
Must be some kind of carebear code.
I play this game for 1 reason, to have fun.
ppl like you that think it's so unfair make my day & just make me want to camp some more. I am sorry that CCP did not make a 110% safe environment for you.
As far as that alt character that could not go into safe space, I'm sorry but I don't believe you ever had a character that would have a negative sec rating.
Oh, and as far as that negligible part regarding the sec hit...
As I said ( but apparently you were not listening)
earlier.... with anything lower than -5.0 you can be shot anywhere by anyone without the sentry guns responding. that means no sentry guns protect you ANYWHERE, including at stations when docking. Now if you consider that negligible I suggest you try it & stop flaming people until you do.
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ShadowWeaver
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Posted - 2004.05.09 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: ShadowWeaver on 09/05/2004 13:43:13
You people amaze me. You go into low security space - isn't it called that for a reason? and then you complain that yoyu get killed by pirates because you were too stupid to look at your map. I use it ALL THE TIME
gosh I'm at a loss here.
I have lost more than a few ships to gate camps- trying to run them. I did not complain I got what I deserved lol. It is part of the game. Maybe you should read the back of the box you bought, you will see you can be ANYTHING includine a PIRATE. I have to agree with the priates on this one. users kept complaining about camping at 60 so they made it 150 so it is actually easier. you messed up yourself on that one.
I haul ore for a major company any make tons of isk. I have been doing it for a long time to make money and skills before I get into the real world & camping makes it more interesting either that everyone would be afk moving ore and nothing would ever happen and ::::yawn::: the game would be less than fun.
I hate losing ships
I hate boring game MORE
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Kirja Delantae
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Posted - 2004.05.09 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: SolApathy
Well as soon as you stop flaming and actually read the posts you would see THAT is how we make money.
We don't like mining; we don't mine, and never will mine. If you don't like us declare war on us.
.4 veld miners? What is that supposed to mean.
Must be some kind of carebear code.
I play this game for 1 reason, to have fun.
ppl like you that think it's so unfair make my day & just make me want to camp some more. I am sorry that CCP did not make a 110% safe environment for you.
As far as that alt character that could not go into safe space, I'm sorry but I don't believe you ever had a character that would have a negative sec rating.
Oh, and as far as that negligible part regarding the sec hit...
As I said ( but apparently you were not listening)
earlier.... with anything lower than -5.0 you can be shot anywhere by anyone without the sentry guns responding. that means no sentry guns protect you ANYWHERE, including at stations when docking. Now if you consider that negligible I suggest you try it & stop flaming people until you do.
Why bother declaring war? You'll just hide in those little safe spots behind the Sentry Guns.
:)
"0.4 Veld miner" is a carebear code....it describes the carebears that scream "OMG 0.4 ISNT SAFE111".....yet use methods and tactics that render THEM almost 100% safe. If you whine about people being "carebears", then don't act like one yourself.
And, as I also said, I survived perfectly fine.
Sentry guns didn't protect me before, and Sentry Guns didn't protect me after.
Because, unlike you, I didn't hug the gate guns; I hunted where people could actually fight back.
And, again, I feel the ned to point out how hilarious it is that you say "sentry guns don't protect you!11"....yet *you* call *me* a carebear?
Please.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.05.09 14:15:00 -
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No, camping just outside sentry gun range does not get classed as an exploit.
What it DOES do, is get the sentry gun ranges continually extended, from 45km, to 75km, to now 150km, and since it's still possible to camp outside, I guess next will be 300km, and so on until it's physically impossible to do so.
I've yet to find one single person who wants this to happen, so it beats me why people keep adopting ganking policies that guarantee it WILL happen. 
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Delacho
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Posted - 2004.05.09 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Phasics
Recently in Ashmarir (0.4 system)
My question is is this an exploit of the game mechanics ? Or just a bunch or smart pirates fairly using the system to thier advantage ?
not an exploit, just CCP stated that they don't want it happening. for that they recently boosted range of centry guns from 75km to 150km, if they find people are useing that lame tactic to much again, they'll just boost the range to 250km. and if people still find they should do this for a living, they'll just up it afterwards to 350km....
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cypriss
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Posted - 2004.05.09 15:21:00 -
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if you jump into a system to find there is a gate camp set up. before you uncloak ask them if they will accept a toll not to get blown up.
low sec gate campers can't ask for ransom because there is nothing holding you there...but im sure most if offered a toll would let you pass.
but make the offer fast, as soon as you uncloak....times up
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Swift
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Posted - 2004.05.09 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Swift on 09/05/2004 15:56:36
I've yet to find one single person who wants this to happen, so it beats me why people keep adopting ganking policies that guarantee it WILL happen
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For the same reason as those people that wanted to gank the Jovian when he appeared (and thus screw the event) - some people are simply 'that' stupid. Honestly, they play EVE for these little chuckles, are that simple minded with low attention spans and are basically serious headaches for any developer. Not a big surprise though - Ive always said EVE is the closest mmporg to mirror real life and considering the number of simple minded folk wondering around, is it a surprise to find them in game doing these things. :/ Hell read my sig - not a carebear quote since I happily swing through the low secs when I want to but an observation of just how it is (not even a complaint lol, didn't expect anything else).
Good luck CCP, sigh...
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Tyr Guann
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Posted - 2004.05.09 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
No, camping just outside sentry gun range does not get classed as an exploit.
What it DOES do, is get the sentry gun ranges continually extended, from 45km, to 75km, to now 150km, and since it's still possible to camp outside, I guess next will be 300km, and so on until it's physically impossible to do so.
I've yet to find one single person who wants this to happen, so it beats me why people keep adopting ganking policies that guarantee it WILL happen.
here, here!
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SolApathy
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Posted - 2004.05.09 16:11:00 -
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Whether we kill at a gate, go into belts, kill ppl at 30 km from a gate (where we are usually when we are camoing in 0.0) Someone always has a complaint...omg! it's not fair. how dare you shoot me without my permission. Get a grip. If ccp wanted gate camping to end they would simply activate concord in low sec space to patrol the gates.
I was perfectly fine camping a gate in .4 space at 60 km. for one simple reason- It allowed for the possibility that someone would come in and fight back & give us some excitment. Unfortunately the carebear screams were so loud CCP modified the gates.
Now we are forced to sit at 150km ( well out of range of everyone) which was brought on by the carebears. So now they ***** that we sit outside of their range so they cannot attack us.
Sorry folks, that was your own damn fault. Perhaps you should have weighed the consequences of your screams before you started.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2004.05.09 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Hamatitio on 09/05/2004 16:58:13
This is considered an exploit, read the news a little while back about the hardware failure and all that. Exceeding the max range is an exploit, tanking the sentries is not.
Petition it
And if they say its not tell them to make up their damn minds.
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SolApathy
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Posted - 2004.05.09 17:01:00 -
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It is not an exploit & never was to fire outside sentry range. the 60km I was referring to is before they upped it to 150....long long ago.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.05.09 17:45:00 -
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i just noticed that my brand new ibis comes equipted with a civilian gatling gun.
is it an exploit if i undock with it?
(you ppl make me sick!)
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Kirja Delantae
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Posted - 2004.05.09 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: SolApathy
Whether we kill at a gate, go into belts, kill ppl at 30 km from a gate (where we are usually when we are camoing in 0.0) Someone always has a complaint...omg! it's not fair. how dare you shoot me without my permission. Get a grip. If ccp wanted gate camping to end they would simply activate concord in low sec space to patrol the gates.
I was perfectly fine camping a gate in .4 space at 60 km. for one simple reason- It allowed for the possibility that someone would come in and fight back & give us some excitment. Unfortunately the carebear screams were so loud CCP modified the gates.
Now we are forced to sit at 150km ( well out of range of everyone) which was brought on by the carebears. So now they ***** that we sit outside of their range so they cannot attack us.
Sorry folks, that was your own damn fault. Perhaps you should have weighed the consequences of your screams before you started.
Then stick to raiding belts and outside of stations.
Just stay go to 0.0 space if you want to camp gates without being seen as the carebears you really are.
Carebear pirates were directly responsible for the changes to the sentry guns, not "normal" players.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.05.09 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kirja Delantae
Originally by: SolApathy
Whether we kill at a gate, go into belts, kill ppl at 30 km from a gate (where we are usually when we are camoing in 0.0) Someone always has a complaint...omg! it's not fair. how dare you shoot me without my permission.
Then stick to raiding belts and outside of stations.
Just stay go to 0.0 space if you want to camp gates without being seen as the carebears you really are.
Carebear pirates were directly responsible for the changes to the sentry guns, not "normal" players.
how about you reread what he wrote?
whereever we kill, ppl complain.
oh, and camping stations is a, hm, brilliant idea, you idiot.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.05.10 01:50:00 -
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This guy is probably an alt of somone who wasnt so lucky agasint us or an alt of somone who is in a corp at war with us and likes stirring trouble while hiding behind another name. Its also pretty clear he knows nothing about our corp.
We camp gates in empire because (shock! horror!) thats where you get alot of indies and commercial shipping that we can claim. We camp to make isk not to grief. What wasn't mentioned in this post so far was that we rarly podkilled anyone and when we did they were certain people who had given us abuse on local chat at one point or another.
And as for carebears, we engage in plenty of proper fights when we can and dont smack talk in local, but like everyone else, we need to make isk to get by.
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MrMojo
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Posted - 2004.05.10 02:38:00 -
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i said it at the time when SG range was up'd to 150km that all it does is suit the gate campers
bounty hunting (limited as it was already) pretty much died with that change
a stupid ridiculous change brought into to appease the newer influx of players and those 'carebears' (ugh - h8 that word) and it backfires and instead hands the reigns enirely over to the 'griefers'
u cant even send a frigate out to get in range - camp squad have an age to get safe, assuming they dont take out the frigate before its gets in gang warp range
all thats left now is to remove the guns thereby lefting ppl kill indiscriminately or increase the SG range to impossible-to-pvp values
removing guns is now pretty much out as why would these 'griefers' change the 160km tactic when it gets them what they want in near 100% safety - the safety-net made things more dangerous...
increasing SG range effectively removes risk from reward in low SR space and the game becomes an AFK paradise. i certainly dont play eve to be AFK... coz then there is no 'play'
at least without guns every1 is on the same playing field and that indy that hoovers up the cans becomes a viable target
basically its f00ked and needs sorted
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Skaz
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Posted - 2004.05.10 03:51:00 -
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People just seem to love abusing the system, I don't think this classifies as a exploit but it is an annoying thing that the average EVE player doesn't have any way to counter unless than never go below 0.5 which thus limits gameplay severly....plus that CCP policy wants people to go to 0.0 space.
These new tactics will either cause massive nerfs in weaponry or quite simply that sentrys will be beefed up again in range...
But I guess this, and the ganking of the Jove, just shows finally that all too many seem to be almost juvenile in behaviour in this virtual world....
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.05.10 07:26:00 -
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People ganking other people in .4 -> .1 systems at gates are scared to go into 0.0 and get wooped.
We kill burn eden guys for fun in 0.0 but i won't engage in .4 -> .1 as I don't want my sec status to go screwwie.
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Liare
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Posted - 2004.05.10 07:27:00 -
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the man tells what happened and asked if it was a exploit, nowhere do i see him whine about sentry gun range. but then it got derailed into yet another "OMG CAREBEAR!" kind of topic.
but then that seems to be pretty much the norm here.
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Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.05.10 07:55:00 -
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you have to be mega noob to get gate ganked now. I SEE THERES EVEN AN AVOID POD KILL AREAS IN AUTO PILOT!!!! how lame could you be to get ganked at a gate
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.10 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tobruk
you have to be mega noob to get gate ganked now. I SEE THERES EVEN AN AVOID POD KILL AREAS IN AUTO PILOT!!!! how lame could you be to get ganked at a gate
You've obviously never jumped into a Zombie-camped gate
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.05.10 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tobruk
you have to be mega noob to get gate ganked now. I SEE THERES EVEN AN AVOID POD KILL AREAS IN AUTO PILOT!!!! how lame could you be to get ganked at a gate
Too bad you only stay in Curse space ;)
Maybe if you travel some time instead of mining your ass off in curse you will notice that sometimes you cannot avoid going through a "Bottleneck" system like ashmarir ;)
And those "bottleneck" systems are camped... why? because the pirates KNOW everyone must pass that system??
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.05.10 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Phasics
umm all these advanced fleet tactics are all well and good but....
they all kinda depend on the fact that anyone travelling who get caught in a gank has a fleet to pop in and gank the gankers.
not really practical.
raise your hand if your has 5 Battleships watching your back every time your indi leaves a station.
Seriously if your just travelling mining your own busniess there is nothing u can do vs a ganking squad. IF your setup for anit gank then sure but then your looking for a fight people who get ganked are not expecting a fight.
so quit with the "oh u can easily deal with gankers if u do this bring this has a squad of these" its all nice on paper but it will rarely bee seen in game.
You know how I know this, becuase ganking is rampant 
Eh, if youre in an indy in <0.5 there should be nothing you can do about gangking squads.
Dont go there alone, or use the map and watch out.
btw, even indies can take some damage without getting destroyed if you compromise you setup to do that. But i guess you need your ³ber expanders and 10mn AB's eh ? Neither makes you go to warp faster or last longer.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.10 08:24:00 -
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Hey, ganking isn't completely useless.
It gave us the insta-jump bm!!111 
I'd never used an insta-jump bm 'til last week.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.05.10 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cardassius
People ganking other people in .4 -> .1 systems at gates are scared to go into 0.0 and get wooped.
We kill burn eden guys for fun in 0.0 but i won't engage in .4 -> .1 as I don't want my sec status to go screwwie.
We are in and out of 0.0 all the time. If you want to come kill us delcare a war so we can stop "cowering" around the sentry guns in empire space. Your sec wont take the hit and you'll have plenty of "fun". We'd happily take the war to you except we are using all our war slots at the moment so please put you assets where your mouth is.
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.05.10 09:55:00 -
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We are in 0.0 we don't have to declare war ;)
Oh no.. of course.. you are scared to loose your ships if you come into a2!
:)
ROFL
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.05.10 10:39:00 -
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...right...
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
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