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Honz
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Posted - 2008.06.07 05:04:00 -
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I would like to know if anything is going to be done regarding T2 bpo's. Currently I have zero options available to me to acquire a T2 bpo!! Yet at the same time there are multiple T2 bpo's out in the systems that under the current system make it difficult to market anything I might invent since those people that still have them can do research and provide a better product than I ever can. Honestly, when you took the lottery away, it sounded like all T2 bpo's were going to go away, apparently such is not the case. Is there going to be a way to get a T2 bpo in the future or are all T2 bpo's going to go away, and everyone is going to be on the same playing field. As it is now, certain players have an advantage, and there is no way to even the odds. Either give us the opportunity to use a bpo to get a chance at a T2 bpo, or get rid of all of them altogether, the current system benefits those that have been playing forever!!!
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.06.07 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Honz I would like to know if anything is going to be done regarding T2 bpo's. Currently I have zero options available to me to acquire a T2 bpo!! Yet at the same time there are multiple T2 bpo's out in the systems that under the current system make it difficult to market anything I might invent since those people that still have them can do research and provide a better product than I ever can. Honestly, when you took the lottery away, it sounded like all T2 bpo's were going to go away, apparently such is not the case. Is there going to be a way to get a T2 bpo in the future or are all T2 bpo's going to go away, and everyone is going to be on the same playing field. As it is now, certain players have an advantage, and there is no way to even the odds. Either give us the opportunity to use a bpo to get a chance at a T2 bpo, or get rid of all of them altogether, the current system benefits those that have been playing forever!!!
I give this post 95% fail for the wall of text, and 5% fail for the content.
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Whey
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Posted - 2008.06.07 05:23:00 -
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I agree, funny that Jinx said that, must be a T2 bpo owner and trying to save his butt.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.07 05:25:00 -
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Check contracts, because they do go on sale. Saw a Crow BPO up a while back - going price was about 14 billion.
As for removing them, not without at least three years advance warning. My understanding is that their going price is about a year and a half's profits, and we need to give recent buyers enough time to unwind their investments accordingly. Since scheduling any patches to an MMO three years in advance is insanity, I can't support this. The original T2 lottery was flawed as all hell, but it's several years too late to fix it. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.06.07 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jinx Barker on 07/06/2008 06:59:38
Originally by: Whey I agree, funny that Jinx said that, must be a T2 bpo owner and trying to save his butt.
I am fairly certain that my T2 BPOs are safe and are going to be safe for a very long long time. Invention did this thing... by devaluing some BPOs and actually boosted the value of others, the combination factors altogether pretty much assure the continued existence of T2 BPOs.
But, just because some people are filled to the brim with the green-eyed jealousy because they do not have the T2 BPOs does not bother me a bit. I have my ISK.... /me pats his wallet.
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Check contracts, because they do go on sale. Saw a Crow BPO up a while back - going price was about 14 billion.
That was a Scam.... you should check the remaining runs, and it had 1.... Crow would go for no less than 20-25 Bill.
But, they do go on sale yes, I just sold 3 BPOs myself... so yea, we, the greedy T2 BPO holders sometimes sell our BPOs as well.
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Ethaet
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.07 11:23:00 -
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Leave the current T2 bpos in the game. There aren't any more being given out, so no problem. |
Sovereign533
Anoint
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Posted - 2008.06.07 11:39:00 -
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no, there was a problem that t2 bpo owners were getting to rich. and the prices just kept climbing. this was a big issue, and the lottery wasn't able to cope with all this. so, they came up with invention to make the general public capable of building tech 2 stuff. this used to be only for a select few, now it's for the general public. but it can hardly be considered 'fair play' if you take their blueprints away. some payed a LOT of money for them.
and you can hardly consider them overpowered.
however, i'd agree with getting a way of getting tech 2 bpo's. as in, getting the lottery re-instated. at least if one bpo gets lost, another would come back.
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Reachok
Tres Hombres
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Posted - 2008.06.07 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sovereign533 no, there was a problem that t2 bpo owners were getting to rich. and the prices just kept climbing. this was a big issue, and the lottery wasn't able to cope with all this. so, they came up with invention to make the general public capable of building tech 2 stuff. this used to be only for a select few, now it's for the general public. but it can hardly be considered 'fair play' if you take their blueprints away. some payed a LOT of money for them.
and you can hardly consider them overpowered.
however, i'd agree with getting a way of getting tech 2 bpo's. as in, getting the lottery re-instated. at least if one bpo gets lost, another would come back.
Actually, most people did not pay anything for the T2 BPO's they won in the lottery. Others may have paid a little more to aquire them from other players. The vast majority were won, bought and traded early in this game years ago. What the OP and others like him including myself would like to see is a leveling of the playing field concerning T2 invention. We're not asking that all T2 BPO's be removed from the game overnight.
Instead, we'd like to see them converted to max run BPC's that would retain their ME and PE levels. After they are depleted, the owners would then be just like everyone else with regards to T2 invention.
Currently a T2 BPO is an isk making machine. The owners have made their initial investment back many many times over. It's time to even the T2 industry out. T2 BPO ownership is no different than when nano fibers and inertial stabs were nerfed because they presented an unfair advantage in the game. Or when Privateers exploited the war dec system which was subsequently nerfed. T2 BPO owners have little to no competition in the market place because they can always sell their product for less than the guy who had to invent his T2 BPC. I can't see why removing this advantage is any different than the two examples above, or the many examples of balancing that we've seen since day one in Eve.
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procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.06.08 03:59:00 -
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build marauders. no t2 bpos exist. invent and build other items where demand far outweighs supply from bpos. honestly as long as you aren't trying to make something like ammo the t2 bpo effect is negligible or nearly so simply because there are more people buying items than can be made from in game bpos.
not supported. though a better return on me and pe of invention jobs based of t1 bpo they are made from would help. -8 me is frigging ridiculous. :shakes fist:
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.06.08 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Reachok
Currently a T2 BPO is an isk making machine.
How is living in 2006? Try doing a little math before sprouting sentences that were valid 2 years ago.
Originally by: Reachok
The owners have made their initial investment back many many times over. It's time to even the T2 industry out. T2 BPO ownership is no different than when nano fibers and inertial stabs were nerfed because they presented an unfair advantage in the game. Or when Privateers exploited the war dec system which was subsequently nerfed. T2 BPO owners have little to no competition in the market place because they can always sell their product for less than the guy who had to invent his T2 BPC. I can't see why removing this advantage is any different than the two examples above, or the many examples of balancing that we've seen since day one in Eve.
Before saying that the T2 BPO aren't traded and that the current owners have already get back the investment, look the Sell order section of the forum, you will find several T2 BPO traded every day, for a cost equivalent to not less than 2 year of constant production.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.06.08 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Reachok
Currently a T2 BPO is an isk making machine.
How is living in 2006? Try doing a little math before sprouting sentences that were valid 2 years ago.
Originally by: Reachok
The owners have made their initial investment back many many times over. It's time to even the T2 industry out. T2 BPO ownership is no different than when nano fibers and inertial stabs were nerfed because they presented an unfair advantage in the game. Or when Privateers exploited the war dec system which was subsequently nerfed. T2 BPO owners have little to no competition in the market place because they can always sell their product for less than the guy who had to invent his T2 BPC. I can't see why removing this advantage is any different than the two examples above, or the many examples of balancing that we've seen since day one in Eve.
Before saying that the T2 BPO aren't traded and that the current owners have already get back the investment, look the Sell order section of the forum, you will find several T2 BPO traded every day, for a cost equivalent to not less than 2 year of constant production.
Venkul & other sensible folk,
There is no arguing with people like that, really. All they are concerned about is the gnawing feeling they have at the pit of their stomach every time they see someone who has an ability to purchase the T2 BPO, or already has one. What they really want to do is bring everyone and everything to their level, since they do not have it, unable to get it, and would not get it, they feel they need to make it "fair."
Just ignore them, it is not worth arguing with people who have no concept.
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.06.08 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 08/06/2008 11:17:47 delete
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.08 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Honz I would like to know if anything is going to be done regarding T2 bpo's. Currently I have zero options available to me to acquire a T2 bpo!! Is there going to be a way to get a T2 bpo in the future or are all T2 bpo's going to go away, and everyone is going to be on the same playing field. As it is now, certain players have an advantage, and there is no way to even the odds.
You can buy one with enough isk when they get sold so id hardly call that not available ever and having zero options tbqh.
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Reachok
Tres Hombres
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Posted - 2008.06.08 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Reachok
Currently a T2 BPO is an isk making machine.
How is living in 2006? Try doing a little math before sprouting sentences that were valid 2 years ago.
Originally by: Reachok
The owners have made their initial investment back many many times over. It's time to even the T2 industry out. T2 BPO ownership is no different than when nano fibers and inertial stabs were nerfed because they presented an unfair advantage in the game. Or when Privateers exploited the war dec system which was subsequently nerfed. T2 BPO owners have little to no competition in the market place because they can always sell their product for less than the guy who had to invent his T2 BPC. I can't see why removing this advantage is any different than the two examples above, or the many examples of balancing that we've seen since day one in Eve.
Before saying that the T2 BPO aren't traded and that the current owners have already get back the investment, look the Sell order section of the forum, you will find several T2 BPO traded every day, for a cost equivalent to not less than 2 year of constant production.
Venkul & other sensible folk,
There is no arguing with people like that, really. All they are concerned about is the gnawing feeling they have at the pit of their stomach every time they see someone who has an ability to purchase the T2 BPO, or already has one. What they really want to do is bring everyone and everything to their level, since they do not have it, unable to get it, and would not get it, they feel they need to make it "fair."
Just ignore them, it is not worth arguing with people who have no concept.
It pains me to see people who probably own T2 BPO's, who probably backed the Privateer War Dec nerf, who probably whined about the advantages the Nano pilots had, that will not project the same nerfs t o wning a T2 BPO while the vast makority of the inventors out there have to deal with negative ME and PE. It's called balancing. Can't you wrap your heads around that concept? And, if this truly an argument from 2006, it is still a valid argument today.
And as an owner of a T2 BPO as well as an inventor I can say I'd have no problem if what I have suggested was applied to all T2 BPO owners including myself.
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.08 16:54:00 -
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IF invention builders were making NO money at all then id say they have a case but the fact is this is about ppl wanting or thinking that they can make more if T2 bpo's are removed and that is rubbish.
Will you whinning cry baby invention muppets be asking ccp to give myself and others the isk we could have made over the years we did not have invention?. You morons have been given a gift that myself and others never had and the first thing you do is cry about the fact that ppl who invested and have been playing the game longer can make MORE isk than you can.
You are pathetic tbh.
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Reachok
Tres Hombres
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Posted - 2008.06.08 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: lecrotta IF invention builders were making NO money at all then id say they have a case but the fact is this is about ppl wanting or thinking that they can make more if T2 bpo's are removed and that is rubbish.
Will you whinning cry baby invention muppets be asking ccp to give myself and others the isk we could have made over the years we did not have invention?. You morons have been given a gift that myself and others never had and the first thing you do is cry about the fact that ppl who invested and have been playing the game longer can make MORE isk than you can.
You are pathetic tbh.
LOL!! Wow!! Stepping on your toes maybe? BTW, been playing since 2004. I suspect you of being an alt, if so, please post with your main and discuss rather than yell and holler like a little kid. Thanks!
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.08 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: lecrotta on 08/06/2008 17:24:03
Originally by: Reachok
Originally by: lecrotta IF invention builders were making NO money at all then id say they have a case but the fact is this is about ppl wanting or thinking that they can make more if T2 bpo's are removed and that is rubbish.
Will you whinning cry baby invention muppets be asking ccp to give myself and others the isk we could have made over the years we did not have invention?. You morons have been given a gift that myself and others never had and the first thing you do is cry about the fact that ppl who invested and have been playing the game longer can make MORE isk than you can.
You are pathetic tbh.
LOL!! Wow!! Stepping on your toes maybe? BTW, been playing since 2004. I suspect you of being an alt, if so, please post with your main and discuss rather than yell and holler like a little kid. Thanks!
My main (mid 2003 player) is banned for posting cat pictures on caod and i do not own any bpo's let alone t2.
But if your a 2004 player you should see how lucky you are to have invention instead of complaining that others can make a bit more isk than you can.
PS: i do not invent either im a piwate/pvper and make my isk from loot.
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Reachok
Tres Hombres
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Posted - 2008.06.08 17:30:00 -
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I had to check to see that I have included the fact that I have a T2 BPO myself, and would be affected by the same thing I'm suggesting. Envious that others are making more isk than I am? Not at all. Oh, and to others who have posted in response to this post, I DO invent some of the newer T2 ship and module BPC's.
I'll not waste everyone's time by repeating what I've already stated.
Cat posts in COAD huh? THAT'S an original reason I give you a +10 on that!
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.08 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: lecrotta on 08/06/2008 17:40:00
Originally by: Reachok I had to check to see that I have included the fact that I have a T2 BPO myself, and would be affected by the same thing I'm suggesting. Envious that others are making more isk than I am? Not at all. Oh, and to others who have posted in response to this post, I DO invent some of the newer T2 ship and module BPC's.
I'll not waste everyone's time by repeating what I've already stated.
Cat posts in COAD huh? THAT'S an original reason I give you a +10 on that!
So you think that just because you "CLAIM" to own a t2 bpo and have made a rather poor attempt to discredit my point by making a alt comment ( did somebody use the word original). The fact remains the anybody now can invent and make money off T2 items while for years that option was unavailable, and the first thing a few cry babies do is complain that others can make more.
Just because you "CLAIM" to have a t2 bpo does not stop you from being greedy or jealous of ppl who have more or others, in fact it shows that you are a heavy builder and as such massively biased.
Go away.
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Par'Gellen
Tres Hombres
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Posted - 2008.06.08 17:43:00 -
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Converting T2 BPO's to max run T2 BPC's = win. ---
To err is human. But it shouldn't be the company motto... |
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Reachok
Tres Hombres
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Posted - 2008.06.08 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 08/06/2008 17:40:00
Originally by: Reachok I had to check to see that I have included the fact that I have a T2 BPO myself, and would be affected by the same thing I'm suggesting. Envious that others are making more isk than I am? Not at all. Oh, and to others who have posted in response to this post, I DO invent some of the newer T2 ship and module BPC's.
I'll not waste everyone's time by repeating what I've already stated.
Cat posts in COAD huh? THAT'S an original reason I give you a +10 on that!
So you think that just because you "CLAIM" to own a t2 bpo and have made a rather poor attempt to discredit my point by making a alt comment ( did somebody use the word original). The fact remains the anybody now can invent and make money off T2 items while for years that option was unavailable, and the first thing a few cry babies do is complain that others can make more.
Just because you "CLAIM" to have a t2 bpo does not stop you from being greedy or jealous of ppl who have more or others, in fact it shows that you are a heavy builder and as such massively biased.
Go away.
Alt comment? I am pretty sure I've been posting with my main. Please post with valid points versus high school debating tactics.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.08 18:47:00 -
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T2 BPOs are fine as they are now that they are competing with invention. Not supported. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.08 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Reachok
Originally by: lecrotta
So you think that just because you "CLAIM" to own a t2 bpo and have made a rather poor attempt to discredit my point by making a alt comment ( did somebody use the word original). The fact remains the anybody now can invent and make money off T2 items while for years that option was unavailable, and the first thing a few cry babies do is complain that others can make more.
Just because you "CLAIM" to have a t2 bpo does not stop you from being greedy or jealous of ppl who have more or others, in fact it shows that you are a heavy builder and as such massively biased.
Go away.
Alt comment? I am pretty sure I've been posting with my main. Please post with valid points versus high school debating tactics.
The alt comment you made was against me and my mains ban for posting pictures, or do you have the brains and memory of a goldfish cos i do not claim anywhere that you are posting with a alt. "Ad hominem" attacks are for ppl who have lost their case tbh. But its not unusual for morons to use the "You are a alt get out of jail free card" when they have no argument against a point.
Personally i think everybody should post with alts at least then ppl would be forced to focus on the content instead of the poster and his/her corp/alliance history like you and others who's argument has fallen apart do.
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Reachok
Tres Hombres
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Posted - 2008.06.08 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: lecrotta
Blah blah...
I'm ending this, you may keep posting however.
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.08 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: lecrotta on 08/06/2008 19:03:12
Originally by: Reachok
I'm ending this, you may keep posting however.
Good go away and post on caod thats where ppl insult instead of debate and complain and cry about things instead of taking advantage of opportunities that arise and that others over the years were not lucky enough to have had.
Go play WOW or summat i am sure you can get a job as a gold farmer on one of the servers.
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Reachok
Tres Hombres
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Posted - 2008.06.08 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 08/06/2008 19:03:12
Originally by: Reachok
I'm ending this, you may keep posting however.
Good go away and post on caod thats where ppl insult instead of debate and complain and cry about things instead of taking advantage of opportunities that arise and that others over the years were not lucky enough to have had.
Go play WOW or summat i am sure you can get a job as a gold farmer on one of the servers.
Ok, one more maybe
By your own definition you should go play WoW. I thought it was funny that you posted cat pictures on COAD and got banned for it. I actually admire that for originality. That wasn't an insult. Apparently that's a sore point with you. At any rate, fly safe, I've posted in several more threads if you'd like to go call me names in them too
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.08 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Reachok
Ok, one more maybe
Like anybody is supprised.
Originally by: Reachok I thought it was funny that you posted cat pictures on COAD and got banned for it.
A self claimed 2004 player who thinks that posting cat pictures is original?..yea right pal your lies are getting worse.
Originally by: Reachok
I've posted in several more threads if you'd like to go call me names in them too
No need if your ideas are as moronic as they were on here but il check anyway.
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Reachok
Tres Hombres
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Reachok
Ok, one more maybe
Like anybody is supprised.
Originally by: Reachok I thought it was funny that you posted cat pictures on COAD and got banned for it.
A self claimed 2004 player who thinks that posting cat pictures is original?..yea right pal your lies are getting worse.
Originally by: Reachok
I've posted in several more threads if you'd like to go call me names in them too
No need if your ideas are as moronic as they were on here but il check anyway.[/quote
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Adm Tecumseh
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2008.06.09 01:58:00 -
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I spent billions to invent ships and in the process I lost billions, The (minus)ME and chance of sucess rate is far to flawed. Fix the ME and all will be better thereby closing the gap.
Now I only invent a little bit to keep me in my fav ships.
This is expecially true of bigger ships like the JF, Imagine trying to buld an anshar with a -5 me.
Friggin ridiculous
Chris
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W0RST N1GHTMAR3
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Posted - 2008.06.09 02:49:00 -
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Either make t2 bpo's available to all or remove them from the game. That way we're all on equal footing. No need to comment on this one, at least not for my benefit, Lecrotta. I always ignore snotty little snips like you.
For the rest, fair is fair.
I believe there was a previous suggestion to set T2 BPOs to a maximum number of runs copy. That sounds reasonable to me and if the number is 1000, isn't that far more than most will ever use?
And just in case you're wondering......this is an alt
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