havent lost any freighter or anything else myself btw. jusr think this is something that needs adjusting.

In World War 2 Renturu, if my history is correct, the Germans didn't have "neutral ship-scanning alts"

No. And while we're at it, let's make corporate hangar arrays on orcas/rorq/carrier/sc scannable and have their stuff drop.

FYI Q-ships failed miserably in real life.

Ask the HMAS Sydney if freighters with guns work in real life...

Perhaps a ship that, upon creation (using the same concept as the T3's), you select for the 5 slots as to what size ship (Mining Barge - small, Mining Barge - Large, Standard Hauler - Small and Large(freighter, maybe?). Also, that your ship type would have the same haul (in appearance) as the already existing ships in EvE - so as to not let would be gankers ID you as a war ship in disguise.

Also, for set mining barges, depending upon your configuration, would have 3 miners (indicative of a Hulk) and 2 (to look like a Mackinaw). Difference on config is based on how much you are willing to spend and skills to use mods).

Ideas?

No. And while we're at it, let's make corporate hangar arrays on orcas/rorq/carrier/sc scannable and have their stuff drop.

12 tornados

If the defender brings 12 pilots as well, the freighter wont pop.

Perhaps i'm wrong, but in a suicide gank where 12 pilots take you out in one or two volleys, exactly what are defenders supposed to do to stop that? They've already started to fire before they even lock on, and a freighter isn't going to make it back to the gate or warp away before lock.

A Ship of that size would be an Auxiliary Cruisers.

Which is a great idea IMO. Appearing on the overview as the Ship type it is disguised as until it opens fire.

Check out the design of the Kormoran. I find it fascinating. This page on the Komet is very interesting as well as the Diagram. The role out 5" Guns and even a hidden float plane are very cool. The Diagram shows hidden compartments for them. It also had Torpedo Tubes and AA Guns.

If you scout, take back routes, and have logi support. No freighters would get ganked (or make it alot harder)

Wait, wait, wait, wait.....that's common sense, it has no place in EVE, nvm...

step 1: get a titan
step 2: put the titan in a small tower in a lowsec system adjacent to highsec
step 3: bridge your freighter to a station cyno in the nearest lowsec system to your destination
step 4: move freighter to destination

11 ship with remote Armor reps..... + 1 Inty flying ahead....



On the other side of the fence it does make be giggle at the e-pee rubbing going on over FR kills when BPc's still show as the value of the BPO's

The highest value loss on EvE Kill is only there because the obvious 40+ copies of the same print get counted as BPO!

suicide ganking freighters is too easy currently. those get killed without pilot error (autopilot etc) and pilot never had chance if he got targeted. atleast make it harder by giving freighters double or triple hitpoints so that suiciders need to commit substantial amount of ships as now it seems too easy to kill one with about 12 tornados. kills like that have become everyday reality which anyone can find in eve-kill. otherwise i think suicide ganking is allright.seeing kill off stupid people hauling shiny stuff in haulers and frigates makes me laugh but ganking freighters not so much as it is not pilots own fault he gets ganked.

havent lost any freighter or anything else myself btw. jusr think this is something that needs adjusting.

The way it is now, your only real defense is to not carry cargo worth more than the ships it would take to blow you up.

It might be worth considering changing the specs for freighters to add a couple of rig and low slots in exchange for lowering cargo capacity. That way people who wanted extra cargo space could have it, but people who wanted stronger hull and armor, or more speed or faster alignment etc. could have it too.

It would also keep the suicide gangs off balance because the configuration wouldn't be predictable anymore.

T-

I don't think freighters should be invulnarable or given a boost, I feel it works fine. Perhaps penelties for ganking should be a bit harsher since you can burn of bad sec pretty quickly if you know what you are doing. There should be consequences that gankers will pay attention too and care about.

OP: get a jumpfreighter instead GÇö far more EHP, much faster to align, much more friendly to web-slinging, and the reduced cargo load is actually to your advantage since it makes an even less worth-while target.

Show us on the freighter doll where the Tornado touched you.

have you ever done any ganking? if not, please don't offer your opinion - burning off the negative sec status isn't quick.

They won't do that because the one mill cargo mark is where you get to bring packed carriers in to high sec. That's why I suggested they add a bonus to Hull resist. If you look at ammo damage, resist is all that hits the hull and freighter has upwards of 700K hull. It takes alot of volleys to kill a freighter in high sec. Unless of course it's broken and volley damage doesn't account for the 4 damage variables but that can't be. Nothing is ever broken in EVE

Yes I have many times little Mittans and offering you my opinion. There are plenty of guides out there that show you how. Personally I rat in null. I went from -10 to to about -2.0 in a couple of days some people have done it in a long day of grinding and it's not all bad since I'm doing what some people spend all their game time doing. For someone who is in a large Alliance like yours buffing your sec status is a cakewalk. So long Mittans. o/

I don't think freighters should be invulnarable or given a boost, I feel it works fine. Perhaps penelties for ganking should be a bit harsher since you can burn of bad sec pretty quickly if you know what you are doing. There should be consequences that gankers will pay attention too and care about.

There should be consequences that gankers will pay attention too and care about.

Yes I have many times little Mittans and offering you my opinion. There are plenty of guides out there that show you how. Personally I rat in null. I went from -10 to to about -2.0 in a couple of days some people have done it in a long day of grinding and it's not all bad since I'm doing what some people spend all their game time doing. For someone who is in a large Alliance like yours buffing your sec status is a cakewalk. So long Mittans. o/

!2 Tornadoes fitted is well under half a billion ISK.

Learn to scout too.

Fun fact: it costs more to suicide gank a freighter now than it ever did in the past, due to the insurance nerf. Stop being complacent and dependent on NPCs - "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" applies in high-sec as much as it does anywhere else.

Tornado hull at Jita sells is 52,250,000.00 ISK.

Multiply that by 12 and it's far from "well under half a billion ISK." Especially fitted.

next

Yea high sec scouts are useful, i scout for my freighter.

When i find a gatecamp i get my freighter i dock up, currently docked in Perimeter since 2007.

If the gate campers dont leave soon, im thinking of making a run for it, do you think i should ?

I definitely wont be AFK hauling as it makes it harder to outrun them.

/orsomethinglikethat

Maybe I wasn't being clear. I was suggesting lowering the base cargo size and giving it some rigs and mods. Just like the T1 haulers have.

The maximum cargo size can still be controlled so it doesn't get over a certain size.... but the addition of a couple of slots just makes the ship more flexible.

T-

You don't buy them. You build them. And they build for what I said. Only a moron corp (and a freighter gank is a corp thing not a pick up game) would buy them.

Used to be I could have courier contracts up to 1.2B collateral picked up in minutes. Now even a low as 700m sit for hours and up to a day before someone grabs them. That should tell you something.

Mr Epeen

If you turn on the ship type column on the overview, you will discover that the stargates are not camped by ships which are capable of suicide ganking your freighter.

Scouting doesn't just mean look to see if there are people there or not. You actually have to use your head and analyze the situation - i.e. what types of ships are on the gate? How are they positioned on the gate? Etc etc...

Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

Edit:.
Learn to scout too.
And no.

Scout in hi sec? That is like 40K potential gankers?
WTF is wrong with your head dumbass.

Scout in hi sec? That is like 40K potential gankers?

Scout in hi sec? That is like 40K potential gankers?
WTF is wrong with your head dumbass.

Yes? So you learn how to scout.

scout jump in the system +0,6 +

look at D-scan

only 160 gank-able ships on D-scan

What you described was the work required by the ganker scout (if he's a bit thick). The work for the freighter scout isn't nearly as hard. Also, I'd probably use the word Gǣgank-capableGǥ, since GǣgankableGǥ is what the freighter is without his scouting buddyGǪ

How do you see logged off Gank Capable Ships on your D-Scan?

You mean those ships that will take longer to arrive than it takes for you to get into warp?

You spot their spotter, and figure out the rest.

Not long enough.

I too am glad their are no modules in this game that make you invisible.

Scout in hi sec? That is like 40K potential gankers?
WTF is wrong with your head dumbass.

You don't buy them. You build them. And they build for what I said. Only a moron corp (and a freighter gank is a corp thing not a pick up game) would buy them.

Used to be I could have courier contracts up to 1.2B collateral picked up in minutes. Now even a low as 700m sit for hours and up to a day before someone grabs them. That should tell you something.

Mr Epeen

why, whiners whining about whiners and contra-argumenting by whining about something they want to change specifically for their favor.

Haha, Mr Epeen tears best tears.

He so sad he can't even do simple math properly. And Tornados are so good.