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Alazais
Fairlight Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.09 08:31:00 -
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Disclaimer: This battle involves only a few capital deaths and is featured here as a lesson in how not to use that flashing red 'emergency' button near the Captain's chair on your spaceship.
Background:
Those cutlass wielded, rump-slapping types:
Beyond Divinity Inc. and Nocturnal Legion, both pirate corps, camp low sec systems in Molden Heath. To their credit, they are well scouted in all directions against incoming fleets.
As is often the case, they were camping a high-sec gate in Bosena (a 0.4).
Those upstanding gentleman, do-gooders and the like:
Foundati0n FDN) often drop cyno's onto the campers, leading to inevitable hate threads, especially from Beyond Divnity. This happened the day before this fight too, where four BYDI battleships were killed by Mythral's Nyx + a few carriers.
The Fight:
Although usually scanning for a cyno trap, it seems the hostiles were lax this time and engaged VikingBjorn's Abaddon on the Teonusude gate, with several battleships.
Having tackled one of the battleships, Viking cyno'd in two capitals, who killed a Dominix. They weren't pilots who'd hotdropped on the enemy before and we hoped this would pose the question as to whether they had support.
Station Scout: "They're undocking, lots of support battleships and at least 3 carriers".
This in itself wasn't remarkable - we expected that they were trying to lure us over for a scrap on station. Wanting to bring them to the gate, Valdor (FC) instructed the carrier pilots to linger on the gate as nonchalantly as possible.
Station Scout: "They're aligning.. they're warping in".
Valdor (FC - deep South African baritone): "Bloody excellent. Jump, jump, jump!"
At this point another cyno goes down, more FDN carriers jump in and the main gang starts advancing from two jumps away.
Nocturnal Legion/Beyond Divinity start massing forces as well but after a few minutes it becomes clear that FDN has the upper hand and that the three hostile carriers are stuck on the gate. Nonetheless, Nocturnal Legion do their best to use Falcons to try and extricate them. The FDN carriers are packing ECCM to make this difficult but it's still a generally effective tactic.
On Board Lord Kesh's carrier (reconstruction):
Cute female Lieutenant: FDN have too many caps here. The battle goes ill!
Unnamed Corporal, sporting a suspicious moustache: Goes ill? Like a rosy-cheeked schoolboy skiiving school so he can have a thermometer up his posterior? No, we're in the stickiest situation since sticky the stick insect got stuck on a sticky bun.
Lord Kesh: Damn their eyes. All carriers initiate self-destruct. Private Baldric, bring me a final cup of tea.
(Kesh reaches and hits a button on his command chair which starts flashing red).
22:50:17 Notify Lord KesH has initiated self-destruct of their Nidhoggur, it will explode in 120 seconds.
Baldric: I'll just place it here, m'Lord.
The Fight Continues:
Lord Kesh is called prime but with his Nidhoggur in structure and the FDN fleet warping in, the Falcons suddenly strike gold, scram breaks and - already aligned to station - he warps to safety!
The fleet arrives and triples scram on the remaining carriers.
Vilrath's Thanatos (Beyond Divinity) completes its self-destruct countdown and dies:
22:54:05 Notify Thanatos belonging to Villwrath self-destructs: Villwrath falls on his sword
Angst's Chimera (Nocturnal Legion) is destroyed before the self-destruct can finish.
As Meat Loaf would tell us, Two Out of Three Ain't Bad.
Station Scout: "The Nidhuggur, Lord Kesh, is back at station. But, umm, hold on a second here..."
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Alazais
Fairlight Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.09 08:32:00 -
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On Board Lord Kesh's carrier (reconstruction):
Cute female Lieutenent: Oh, Sir, it's marvellous. We've escaped! We're back at the station, in dock range.
Lord Kesh: Well, it was deserved really. The Falcons did a fine job.
(Kesh picks up his cup of tea)
Lord Kesh: Yes, two foes met on the field, did battle...
(Kesh suddenly sees where the cup of tea was standing)
Lord Kesh: OH S-
POP
gf to all, thanks for bringing the fight & Kesh will be back ganking people in no time. Though I'll keep a seat on the roflcopter for some of the smackier members of the Bosena crowd, just in case.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.09 08:37:00 -
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Thanks for a well written report and always enjoyable when a self destruct backfires. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
Captain Shocker
eXtended Corporation 24
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Posted - 2008.06.09 08:39:00 -
[4]
Actually made me chuckle outloud. well-done
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Hobblah
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.09 08:40:00 -
[5]
Well done FDN
-Hobblah
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DeadDuck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.09 08:41:00 -
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Nice read
________________ God is my Wingman |
VoYvod
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.09 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: VoYvod on 09/06/2008 08:44:52 he self destructed on the station? well deserved for being lame...
nice write up
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Cautet
Precision Engineering Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.09 08:54:00 -
[8]
Great post!
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MentaFox
The Chaotic Order
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Posted - 2008.06.09 08:55:00 -
[9]
Haha, nice, and fun read too :D ----------------------
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nync
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.09 09:00:00 -
[10]
nice read, thx
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DiaBlo UK
Precision Engineering Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.09 09:26:00 -
[11]
great post. more threads like these!
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.09 09:48:00 -
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ROFL!
People that self destructs are wussies. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
pc dude
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Posted - 2008.06.09 09:59:00 -
[13]
10 / 10. could be my favorite read on caod so far
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Ask Unbeatable
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.09 10:03:00 -
[14]
lol
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Defias Taskmaster
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.06.09 10:14:00 -
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FDN still gets no respect... SCARY just lost a lot.
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steveid
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.09 10:26:00 -
[16]
Man, what happened to BDYI they used to be good. Foundation ofc always a classy bunch, as Hannibal from the A-team would say "I love it when a plan comes together".
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Dr Cupid
My Small Personal Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.09 10:46:00 -
[17]
"Lord Kesh: OH Sh**!" = GOLD!
ROFL
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Jelena Jinx
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2008.06.09 11:01:00 -
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Good read :P even tho i dont care what side lost and won :P
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Kaar
Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.09 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Alazais Valdor (FC) instructed the carrier pilots to linger on the gate as nonchalantly as possible.
lol, how does that work then?
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David Goodwill
GENTEC plc
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Posted - 2008.06.09 11:10:00 -
[20]
This is how all battle reports should be. |
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.06.09 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kaar
Originally by: Alazais Valdor (FC) instructed the carrier pilots to linger on the gate as nonchalantly as possible.
lol, how does that work then?
You just tell them to list lazily to the left.
Good report, and lol at self-destruct gone wrong.
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eito sec'undo
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.06.09 11:24:00 -
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Boring.
And I looked, and behold a pale horse. and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. |
Lord KesH
Nymphetamine Junkies Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.09 11:41:00 -
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Just to give my side of the story :)
1. Sorry for the smack in local afterwards, but you know we cant help it when its you ^^
2. The whole carrier thing was a quite funny story ^^ And here is what actually happened. (from our point of view)
We were sitting at a gate being nice and sweet like we usually are. Killing the odd ship now and then. Suddently a FDN Abaddon? i think it was jumped in, and we started shooting, bumping and what everyone knows you need to do to kill something. Anyways, he pops a cyno (not unexpected form FDN) and in comes 2 carriers, so here we were thinking, "could this be the day that fdn comes in to fight us in a fair fight" Well more or less we decided that while we were taking gate gun fire and so on we could just as well warp in a few carriers to match theirs - ok we had 1 more than you that actually made it to the gate.
Never the less we pop the abaddon fairly fast. But then the thing happens - up goes a new cyno. But oh wait the new cyno ship is a carrier. We know we cant pop that in time before we get jumped so at this point everyone is aligned out. Hello there 5 more carries to help FDN. We get some/most of the ships out and the falcons stay behind to help get the carriers out.
So here i am with something like 3 points and 2 webs on me thinking this is not gonna work out. Then the second part of their fleet comes in. And we agree that we know that we are gonna loose our carriers. So we iniciate self destruct :)
Then here is the part i found a bit funny - Somehow 2 of the carries looses lock on me and im sitting at 20% Armor - "Not structure btw" :) - And the falcons do a great job of jamming the last one that has a point on me, so i warp out. so as you all know that about 1 minute and 50 seconds before i warp out the self destruct was initiated. So im in a bit of panic when i cant find the Self destruct thing while im in warp. Then im told that its not accessible while in warp and im thinking this is NOT good. I land on the station and as soon as my ship is out of warp im trying to abort the self destruct. But nope that wasnt the case - my ship blows up as i land on station and im in my pod.
So all in all it was a fun fight, allthou we lost some ships which everyone does in the game. Outnumbered again but you must give us credit for trying ^^
Ships involved in the fight. (Taken from battlesummary from FDN killboard - as our is messed up because we had kills before fdn came) We had/They had
Carriers: 3 - 7 BS : 4 - 10 CS : 0 - 1 BC : 1 - 4 HICS : 1 - 2 Hacs : 1 - 1 Recons : 2 - 3 Smallish: 0 - 2
Summary: gf guys - we will be seeing you around ^^ ------------------------------------
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Souvera Corvus
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
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Posted - 2008.06.09 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 09/06/2008 11:44:55 Now this explains some of the smack we were getting from BYDI tonight. None of it very good, not up to their usual standard and it had the dubious distinction of being done from a station.
I did wonder
Heard the post-fight smack was a bit OTT on both sides but self-destruct doesn't sit well.
Where is that button anyway? |
darkin here
Is Usually Right
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Posted - 2008.06.09 11:48:00 -
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lulz at pirate scum getting their comeuppance.
While I would say this is what ******s who SD to avoid being killed have coming to them, are you sure it WAS a SD and not Candleja-
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CydonianKnight
THE IRIS Infinite Innovation
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Posted - 2008.06.09 11:51:00 -
[26]
Congrats ! Good writing _______________
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Jalif
Deviance Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:14:00 -
[27]
Well. Was not there, to bad we lost the carriers. Well, we go on & keep on killing. We are not stoppable...
Originally by: CCP Dionysus We like to share the lub.
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SilKKZ the3rd
Gh0stbusters Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:16:00 -
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Honestly who puts a cyno on a carrier oh well we will get you next time :P
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Pontet Canet
en primeur
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: DaiTengu Something that's been bothering me for a long time, and I've never gotten a straight answer to.
Why do you pubbies self destruct or eject from your ships when you're going to die?
Noone finds out how dire your fit was?
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Taram Caldar
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 09/06/2008 12:39:57 Self Destruct is such a pansy move it's pathetic. I don't have any respect for pilots who do it.
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Tataki Wisako
Trans-Solar Works FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:40:00 -
[31]
Originally by: DaiTengu Why do you pubbies self destruct or eject from your ships when you're going to die?
To deny the winners their killmail.
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 09/06/2008 12:39:57 Self Destruct is such a pansy move it's pathetic. I don't have any respect for pilots who do it.
I self destructed a Vexor outside a station once to get Insurance, does this mean I got no respect from you?
we are recruiting!
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Sariyah
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:48:00 -
[33]
Oh, you do get insurance money from self-destruct? Isn't that insurance fraud?
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DREAMWORKS
Jion Keanturi FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:56:00 -
[34]
Wel done ****oohead.
GD DREAMWORKS __________________________
http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html |
Zulu Six
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: DaiTengu Something that's been bothering me for a long time, and I've never gotten a straight answer to.
Why do you pubbies self destruct or eject from your ships when you're going to die?
Because god forbid they have to post a capital ship lossmail and:
a: screw up their killboard's K:D ratio and look less leet; b: screw up their killboard's isk efficiency ratio and look less leet; c: expose their terrible and/or cheap carrier fit and look less leet; d: all of the above.
I am Havohej's alt. I would post with my main, but it's banned vOv |
Zulu Six
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Inertial
Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 09/06/2008 12:39:57 Self Destruct is such a pansy move it's pathetic. I don't have any respect for pilots who do it.
I self destructed a Vexor outside a station once to get Insurance, does this mean I got no respect from you?
It's only bad when it's in combat. There's nothing wrong with SD'ing for insurance when not in the middle of a fight. It's only when it's to avoid giving up a loss mail and a lootable wreck that it's ghey.
I am Havohej's alt. I would post with my main, but it's banned vOv |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:00:00 -
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I think self-destruct prevents any modules from dropping as loot or something ;\ totally lame game mechanic
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Lord KesH
Nymphetamine Junkies Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:10:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I think self-destruct prevents any modules from dropping as loot or something ;\ totally lame game mechanic
As well as it could be said. ------------------------------------
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Qipchak
Jion Keanturi FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:14:00 -
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I dont know why they blew up their ships. Everyday they pop with 10 BS single players in a Gate Camp, they answer the whining player "That¦s Eve" and "lol n00b". And now they cant loose ships theirself? And moreover, you complain about the fact we attack with more ships. I can only say "That¦s EvE"
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Alazais
Fairlight Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:19:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I think self-destruct prevents any modules from dropping as loot or something ;\ totally lame game mechanic
Afaik, we got loot from all 3 carriers.
Whether this was the intended effect or a bug I don't know. That said, fighters were out, which makes up much of it anyway. I don't know if there would have been more loot or not without a self-destruct. I do remember in the past that self-destructing prevented the appearance of a can - though I had impression that since the introduction of wrecks (which appear regardless of whether you self-destruct or not) you can get loot from self-destructs. Whether the loot table changes, or whether it applies to both capital/non-capital, I have no idea.
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Alazais
Fairlight Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:28:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Lord KesH Just to give my side of the story :)
1. Sorry for the smack in local afterwards, but you know we cant help it when its you ^^
2. The whole carrier thing was a quite funny story ^^ And here is what actually happened. (from our point of view)
We were sitting at a gate being nice and sweet like we usually are. Killing the odd ship now and then. Suddently a FDN Abaddon? i think it was jumped in, and we started shooting, bumping and what everyone knows you need to do to kill something. Anyways, he pops a cyno (not unexpected form FDN) and in comes 2 carriers, so here we were thinking, "could this be the day that fdn comes in to fight us in a fair fight" Well more or less we decided that while we were taking gate gun fire and so on we could just as well warp in a few carriers to match theirs - ok we had 1 more than you that actually made it to the gate.
Never the less we pop the abaddon fairly fast. But then the thing happens - up goes a new cyno. But oh wait the new cyno ship is a carrier. We know we cant pop that in time before we get jumped so at this point everyone is aligned out. Hello there 5 more carries to help FDN. We get some/most of the ships out and the falcons stay behind to help get the carriers out.
So here i am with something like 3 points and 2 webs on me thinking this is not gonna work out. Then the second part of their fleet comes in. And we agree that we know that we are gonna loose our carriers. So we iniciate self destruct :)
Then here is the part i found a bit funny - Somehow 2 of the carries looses lock on me and im sitting at 20% Armor - "Not structure btw" :) - And the falcons do a great job of jamming the last one that has a point on me, so i warp out. so as you all know that about 1 minute and 50 seconds before i warp out the self destruct was initiated. So im in a bit of panic when i cant find the Self destruct thing while im in warp. Then im told that its not accessible while in warp and im thinking this is NOT good. I land on the station and as soon as my ship is out of warp im trying to abort the self destruct. But nope that wasnt the case - my ship blows up as i land on station and im in my pod.
So all in all it was a fun fight, allthou we lost some ships which everyone does in the game. Outnumbered again but you must give us credit for trying ^^
Ships involved in the fight. (Taken from battlesummary from FDN killboard - as our is messed up because we had kills before fdn came) We had/They had
Carriers: 3 - 7 BS : 4 - 10 CS : 0 - 1 BC : 1 - 4 HICS : 1 - 2 Hacs : 1 - 1 Recons : 2 - 3 Smallish: 0 - 2
Summary: gf guys - we will be seeing you around ^^
gf
Thanks for the post. And remember, being said to have Baldric on your ship is a perverse honour anyway :) What's Eve without a cunning plan?
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Alazais
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I think self-destruct prevents any modules from dropping as loot or something ;\ totally lame game mechanic
Afaik, we got loot from all 3 carriers.
Whether this was the intended effect or a bug I don't know. That said, fighters were out, which makes up much of it anyway. I don't know if there would have been more loot or not without a self-destruct. I do remember in the past that self-destructing prevented the appearance of a can - though I had impression that since the introduction of wrecks (which appear regardless of whether you self-destruct or not) you can get loot from self-destructs. Whether the loot table changes, or whether it applies to both capital/non-capital, I have no idea.
I hope you're right would mean CCP fixed one of my pet peeves \o/
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Hexman
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:33:00 -
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self destructing to avoid the km is bad, mkay?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:50:00 -
[44]
People who self-destruct cap ships suck.
I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them. |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.09 14:15:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Lord KesH
So here i am with something like 3 points and 2 webs on me thinking this is not gonna work out. Then the second part of their fleet comes in. And we agree that we know that we are gonna loose our carriers. So we iniciate self destruct :)
What the hell are you doing in a carrier?
I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them. |
Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.09 14:30:00 -
[46]
Nice story. Got just the right amount of smack, without going gaga over the punchline.
The Self-Destruct outcome is particularily hilarious. While I hope I'll never reach for the Big Red Button myself, I find it a valid tactic. My reasoning is that since the Gankers and ****ers want the Killmail so bad, denying them the mail is a way to salvage something from an otherwise untenable situation.
Good to know that you can't cancel self-destruct in warp. Thanks for spending the 2 Bill to teach me that lesson.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.09 14:40:00 -
[47]
Regardless of how bad someone wants ytou dead, you agree to the chance of dying everytime you undock. It's nothing but lame, and extremely lame if you self-destruct in a combat situation with the only intention to deny them the mail.
I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them. |
Captain Shocker
eXtended Corporation 24
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Posted - 2008.06.09 14:49:00 -
[48]
Isnt suicide a sin?
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JS LiamElms
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:06:00 -
[49]
fair tactic or not.. its still making me smiling thinking about the amount of emotions within that brief moment... -he actually made warp (epic thrill to make it out alive)... -oh sh!!! (freak out hoping that he can cancel intime)... -8ugger (major downer knowing he lost his ebil carrier)
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Rick Rothsar
Ghosts of Ragnarok
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:13:00 -
[50]
Nicely done FDN.
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Wesley Baird
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:23:00 -
[51]
Great story! Sounds like people are having alot of fun, good to hear!
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Wylker
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:29:00 -
[52]
Yeah well done, I'm sure it takes a lot of planning and brains to drop 7-10 capital ships in every single engagement. Your skill is rivaled only by your brains.
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Jackaryas
Trans-Solar Works FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:30:00 -
[53]
Yay go FDN
Was a GF excelent posting as always alazais Join us |
FOFOFOF
CRAPSTORM
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:50:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Ganked Noob Yeah well done, I'm sure it takes a lot of planning and brains to drop 7-10 battle ships in every single gate engagement. Your skill is rivaled only by your brains.
m8, you do gank noobs at camps, why cry when the noobs gank you?
That's EVE, get used to it. Just say gf and move on...
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Wylker
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.09 17:03:00 -
[55]
Originally by: FOFOFOF
Originally by: Ganked Noob Yeah well done, I'm sure it takes a lot of planning and brains to drop 7-10 battle ships in every single gate engagement. Your skill is rivaled only by your brains.
m8, you do gank noobs at camps, why cry when the noobs gank you?
That's EVE, get used to it. Just say gf and move on...
It's ok, we know what to expect, and we always make the choice to engage. Its just amazing to me how they pat themselves on the back about it.
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Wesley Baird
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.09 17:09:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Wylker Yeah well done, I'm sure it takes a lot of planning and brains to drop 7-10 capital ships in every single engagement. Your skill is rivaled only by your brains.
Why so bitter? It was a good story, with a funny ending...its supposed to be fun...you are starting to sound like one of those people you scammed.
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Wylker
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.09 17:14:00 -
[57]
Actually I meant to give props to the OP for how he wrote his writeup. And who got scammed? I refunded everyone.
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The RedPlague
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.09 17:38:00 -
[58]
@ Lord Kesh ... Self destruct is the kid playing basketball taking HIS ball home when things don't go his way ... YOU PU$$Y
Cheers,
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Wylker
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:00:00 -
[59]
Originally by: The RedPlague @ Lord Kesh ... Self destruct is the kid playing basketball taking HIS ball home when things don't go his way ... YOU PU$$Y
You tell him Federal Navy Academy guy!
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Eric Nolani
Game-Over Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:20:00 -
[60]
Cute female lieutenants should be standard features on carrier bridges! ------------------------------------------- ôDoesnÆt it **** you off to be beat at your own game!ö û MUDVAYNE æSilencedÆ |
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Lord KesH
Nymphetamine Junkies Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:30:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Eric Nolani Cute female lieutenants should be standard features on carrier bridges!
Aye its always good to have hot chicks as slaves on the carrier ^^ ------------------------------------
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EluThingol
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:19:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Kaar
Originally by: Alazais Valdor (FC) instructed the carrier pilots to linger on the gate as nonchalantly as possible.
lol, how does that work then?
Hmm I wonder the same thing the best my carrier can manage is wallowing like a beached whale never mind linger on the gate nonchalantly ...
Anywa nice story love it when a self destruct story goes wrong .
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EluThingol
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:21:00 -
[63]
Edited by: EluThingol on 09/06/2008 21:20:49
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ElweSingollo
The HIgher Standard
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:21:00 -
[64]
EluThingol was me silly alt -_-
CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
In Before I Get M***** Again
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Odessima
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
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Posted - 2008.06.09 23:42:00 -
[65]
OP was a good read, and I have to say, it was good to see Lord Kesh tell his side of it. Self Destruct is bad...... To BYDI and N.L. stop moaning about FDN dropping capital ships on you, it gets boring, and as you can see FDN are quite capable of Cynoing their own fleets in. Its a valid tactic the same as gate camping and blobing, you lot very rarely fight unless you have the upper hand so why trash talk others for doing the same thing you do. Just think if you turned over a good leaf and became carebears you wouldnt have to worry about FDN's capital ships.
My comments are my own and arent neccesarily anything to do with my corp.
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carleyjones
Blood and Silver
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Posted - 2008.06.09 23:59:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Taram Caldar I don't have any respect for pilots who do it.
im sure thats a crushing blow for any pilot that has self destructed
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Orar Ironfist
Capital Produce
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Posted - 2008.06.10 00:33:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Orar Ironfist on 10/06/2008 00:33:39 My diplomatic side is telling me to be nice and say things to likes of good trap foundation, lord kesh = bad for self destructuing, and alt-posters suck.
But after being witness so many times to fdn's "play-style"i can give no respect to fdn in anything they do or try to do. Kesh self-destructing was kinda lame yea but if you guys ***** about self-destructing being lame why not ***** about hot-drops being lame? Fail tbh for the double standard. My proof on fdn's general fail (srry guys theres a few good members in you but most are too reliant on capital ships and the blob of carriers you always bring) http://www.foundati0n.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11042
Edit: fail link
Pirate for Life(no matter my sec)
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Ingold Hammersmith
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Posted - 2008.06.10 01:49:00 -
[68]
Well...tbh. They are all just tactics. FDN hot drops carriers cause we can and it's a part of EVE, and it works pretty ok for us. If self destructing 3 bil ISK of ships in Bosena to avoid 2 loss mails is a valid tactic for these guys operation then have it. Fair fights don't really seem to be a part of this game but out maneuvering the enemy does.
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Avernus
Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2008.06.10 02:10:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Sariyah Oh, you do get insurance money from self-destruct? Isn't that insurance fraud?
Actually, would be great if you didn't get any insurance for self-destructing (including basic), as a new mechanic. Great battle report btw. |
rValdez5987
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:06:00 -
[70]
nice read. |
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Lithalnas
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:09:00 -
[71]
i would just fake a killmail of the correct shiptype and a self destruct I. |
ori16
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:19:00 -
[72]
U foundation guys are morons end this
Moron |
pc dude
Ghosts of Ragnarok
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:30:00 -
[73]
you know, when u read over this thread most people were entertained by the battle report. you find that there are a few bitter angry people posting in the thread. care to guess who foundati0n has dropped carriers on w/ finely crafted plans? |
Garion Thorongmor
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.11 05:14:00 -
[74]
I don't really understand Foundation's need to make a post about a very common, and relatively small fight, the same kind that happens hundreds of times per day all across New Eden.
I also don't find it to be a major accomplishment that they can win a battle with 3-4 times the support fleet and a carrier blob to boot. At the very least, not worthy of a COAD thread.
I believe the reason for the OP was two fold. One reason is because they are upset that a carrier was self destructed and they didn't get a killmail. The other reason is simply an attempt at trying to make Nocturnal Legion and Beyond Divinity look bad, and as for most of their posts, this is usually the case at hand.
They complain about the smack from Beyond Divinity but in all honesty Foundation seems to love the smack both ways, it's just a shame they are no good at it. This thread was created to generate forum smack, just disguised as a battle report.
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Khalid Zhee
Fairlight Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.11 08:22:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Garion Thorongmor Edited by: Garion Thorongmor on 11/06/2008 05:16:42 I don't really understand Foundation's need to make a post about a very common, and relatively small fight, the same kind that happens hundreds of times per day all across New Eden.
Capitals self-destruct hundreds of times a day over New Eden, with one escaping and self-destructing anyway? |
Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.06.11 08:33:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Captain Shocker Isnt suicide a sin?
ever heard of sepuku? |
Hobblah
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.11 08:54:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Khalid Zhee
Originally by: Garion Thorongmor Edited by: Garion Thorongmor on 11/06/2008 05:16:42 I don't really understand Foundation's need to make a post about a very common, and relatively small fight, the same kind that happens hundreds of times per day all across New Eden.
Capitals self-destruct hundreds of times a day over New Eden, with one escaping and self-destructing anyway?
I agree with this guy. The OP was best I have seen for a while and made me laugh. Point of the thread is not the kills. That happens all the time.
Lord KesH made excelent reply which saved all that could be saved but somehow you and couple of others seem to want to drag that down and turn this into smackfest. |
Jalif
Deviance Inc Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:10:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Garion Thorongmor Edited by: Garion Thorongmor on 11/06/2008 05:16:42 I don't really understand Foundation's need to make a post about a very common, and relatively small fight, the same kind that happens hundreds of times per day all across New Eden.
I also don't find it to be a major accomplishment that they can win a battle with 3-4 times the support fleet and a carrier blob to boot. At the very least, not worthy of a COAD thread.
I believe the reason for the OP was two fold. One reason is because they are upset that a carrier was self destructed and they didn't get a killmail. The other reason is simply an attempt at trying to make Nocturnal Legion and Beyond Divinity look bad, and as for most of their posts, this is usually the case at hand.
They complain about the smack from Beyond Divinity but in all honesty Foundation seems to love the smack both ways, it's just a shame they are no good at it. This thread was created to generate forum smack, just disguised as a battle report.
It is an unfortunate consequence that me speaking my mind will result in this stupid thread being bumped to the top.
QFT.... |
Zulu Six
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:32:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Jalif
Originally by: Garion Thorongmor Edited by: Garion Thorongmor on 11/06/2008 05:16:42 I don't really understand Foundation's need to make a post about a very common, and relatively small fight, the same kind that happens hundreds of times per day all across New Eden.
I also don't find it to be a major accomplishment that they can win a battle with 3-4 times the support fleet and a carrier blob to boot. At the very least, not worthy of a COAD thread.
I believe the reason for the OP was two fold. One reason is because they are upset that a carrier was self destructed and they didn't get a killmail. The other reason is simply an attempt at trying to make Nocturnal Legion and Beyond Divinity look bad, and as for most of their posts, this is usually the case at hand.
They complain about the smack from Beyond Divinity but in all honesty Foundation seems to love the smack both ways, it's just a shame they are no good at it. This thread was created to generate forum smack, just disguised as a battle report.
It is an unfortunate consequence that me speaking my mind will result in this stupid thread being bumped to the top.
QFT....
Not very true at all. The thread isn't about the fight. It isn't about killing capital ships, or hot drops or anything else. It's about self-destructing caps so that you wouldn't have to *GASP - God forbid!!!* post a billion ISK lossmail on your killboard and ruin your K:D. Or maybe you just didn't want to have to post losses to FDN. Or maybe you were trying to protect the Isk Efficiency numbers on your kb, which also goes back to K:D. Whatever the reason for it is, if it's your leader's policy to order all capital ships to initiate self destruct (which is in itself an admission of defeat: "hey, we're gonna lose anyway, right?") it makes Nocturnal Legion a lot less <SCARY>.
Pussies.
I am Havohej's alt. I would post with my main, but it's banned vOv |
Sean Avery
Deviance Inc Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:38:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Zulu Six
Pussies.
who's hiding behind an exclamation point hmmmmmm?
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Zulu Six
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:49:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Sean Avery
Originally by: Zulu Six
Pussies.
who's hiding behind an exclamation point hmmmmmm?
Can you read? Look at my sig. |
Sean Avery
Deviance Inc Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:56:00 -
[82]
Touche I had sig's off....I retract my earlier statement |
Flashh Gorden
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 15:45:00 -
[83]
Great read. If a battle report is well written its a pleasure no matter how big or small the enagement is. The Irony of hearing gate campers complain about being outnumbered is the icing on the cake.
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Ryuichi
PoliCratton Technologies
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Posted - 2008.06.11 19:42:00 -
[84]
Great report, A++++, would read again. |
Garion Thorongmor
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.11 22:45:00 -
[85]
One of the reoccurring themes I keep reading from fdn and friends on here is that bydi/scary camp gates where they blow up noobs with 10-15 ships against 1 ship, so they shouldn't complain when they get blobbed cuz they do it.
I would just like to say that gatecamping, and fleet engagements are completely different things, and you guys know that.
We appreciate, and of course prefer good fleet fights, but you know that it's not always possible to get a fleet fight, or even a small engagement at the drop of a hat. Sometimes if ya got nothing to do, a camp can be a fun way to pass the time until maybe a fleet shows up.
First and foremost, fdn, you guys do the SAME thing. Fdn does gate camps, where they blow up 1 ship with 10-15 or more ships just like we do.
In fact they are suppose to be NRDS anti-pirates however there have been a few occasions that we have seen where they have shot on a brand new alt completely unaffiliated with bydi/scary who was guaranteed to be nuetral to them. This was at one of their gate camps. I ask, how is this any different from when we camp?
I hear a lot of the fdn and their allies on here always complaining that bydi/scary will only come out to fight when we have the better odds (more ships).
The truth is, we enjoy fighting outnumbered, and have intentionally engaged in fights where our opponent had 2 to 3 times the number of ships as we had.
For just one example, here is a 12 man bydi/ruin gang (ruin has since merged into bydi), taking on a 28 man PURE alliance gang. As you all know PURE are good pvp'rs and by no means a pushover.
If you look at the bottom of each column where it says ships fielded and ships lost, you will notice that we decimated the entire 28 ship fleet without losing a single one of our 12 ships.
Engagement Link: http://bydi.griefwatch.net/?p=engagement&kill=3485
I was FC of this battle on my main, and my scout had called out their ship types to me from 2 jumps away. I made the decision to hold position and get ready to fight.
Now if bydi doesn't like to fight outnumbered as you say, we had at least a good minute to avoid this fight, but we like to fight if we think we've got a good chance so we stayed.
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Zulu Six
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Posted - 2008.06.11 22:49:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Zulu Six on 11/06/2008 22:49:20 So what you're saying is that this thread is now about gate camping and fighting while outnumbered, instead of about BYDI/SCARY self-destructing their cap ships to avoid having lossmails to post, amirite?
EDIT: Bumping this thread doesn't serve your PR image at all.
I am Havohej's alt. I would post with my main, but it's banned vOv |
Garion Thorongmor
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.11 23:09:00 -
[87]
Maybe if you had bothered to actually read the entire thread you would realize that many of the replies made by others have mentioned the fact that we shouldn't complain about being blobbed because we do it on gates. Fact is, gate camps are usually going to be one sided.
Other replies have said we only like to fight when we have the advantage in numbers.
I know it is not the point of this thread, but my post was simply to rebut those comments.
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Space Chutney
Wildlands Heavy Technologies FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.11 23:29:00 -
[88]
People who fight "outnumbered" in an engagement where more than half the enemies are shuttles, frigates and cruisers should be given badges? Do I bend-over to the mighty powa now or later?
Feel free to find the funny side to the OP BYDI, as Lord Kesh has. And in other news, gatecamps often kill people vastly outnumbered and get busted by people with bigger guns? Well **** me, they should call that PVP or something.
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Zulu Six
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.11 23:47:00 -
[89]
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Cz Ire
Unitas Nusquam Est FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.12 05:53:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Garion Thorongmor
In fact they are suppose to be NRDS anti-pirates however there have been a few occasions that we have seen where they have shot on a brand new alt completely unaffiliated with bydi/scary who was guaranteed to be nuetral to them. This was at one of their gate camps. I ask, how is this any different from when we camp?
2 day old noobalts in shuttles/noobships arnt neutral in 0.0, sorry. roll a more believable "neutral" next time you want to alt-spy on us.
missed this fight; but fun read. |
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notdiscostu
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Posted - 2008.06.12 06:02:00 -
[91]
while the self-destruct thing is funny, only FDN could out-blob the hell out of someone by over 2 to 1 on capitals, still manage to miss one, and call it a good fight.
that's not a pvp win, thats a logistics win. it takes skill for one, and it takes nothing but numbers for the other. which is more worthwhile?
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Jackaryas
Trans-Solar Works FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.06.12 07:47:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Jackaryas on 12/06/2008 07:47:36
Quote: while the self-destruct thing is funny, only FDN could out-blob the hell out of someone by over 2 to 1 on capitals, still manage to miss one, and call it a good fight.
Um i think you'll find all the carriers blew up actually Join us |
Fifinella
Fringe Exploration And Salvage Trust
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Posted - 2008.06.12 07:59:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Wylker It's ok, we know what to expect, and we always make the choice to engage. Its just amazing to me how they pat themselves on the back about it.
Whereas BYDI, of course, when they pop a defenceless hauler or a helpless noob, go and cut themselves with razors and lament on the horror that is their empty, evil life of bottomless despair and gloom.
I mean, that's why you keep doing it, isn't it? Because you hate it, not because you get some sort of fulfillment from popping ships that can't fight back? what is the philosophy behind "We camp gates and gank, but don't anyone dare do the same to us, for it is lame"?
I bet your first name is something like "Moonlight" or "Starshine", to go with the horror of empty misery that is the despair of your misunderstood genius that fuels your hatred for all things alive.
I guess lowsec gateganking is the EVE equivalent to reading poems in bars. Cut deeper, Starmist Wylker.
Oops. Used "empty" and "despair" twice. Oh well. |
Fifinella
Fringe Exploration And Salvage Trust
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Posted - 2008.06.12 08:04:00 -
[94]
Originally by: notdiscostu That's not a pvp win, thats a logistics win. it takes skill for one, and it takes nothing but numbers for the other. which is more worthwhile?
"Amateurs tak about strategy, professionals talk about logistics."
You do understand that every comment like yours comes right back to bite the 10 to 1 gategankers in the posterior? Because well, correct me if I'm wrong, but it takes even LESS skills to win when the opponent isn't actually capable of shooting back.
And several prats (Player pRATes) in this very thread have stated things to the tune of "we know FDN will come and gank us, yet we keep on doing it anyway." That's not a PvP win, either, that's just plain stupid.
Come to think of it, one definition of insanity is doing something over and over and expecting different results. |
Tiberius Decius
Capital Bombardment
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Posted - 2008.06.12 08:20:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Garion Thorongmor One of the reoccurring themes I keep reading from fdn and friends on here is that bydi/scary camp gates where they blow up noobs with 10-15 ships against 1 ship, so they shouldn't complain when they get blobbed cuz they do it.
I would just like to say that gatecamping, and fleet engagements are completely different things, and you guys know that.
We appreciate, and of course prefer good fleet fights, but you know that it's not always possible to get a fleet fight, or even a small engagement at the drop of a hat. Sometimes if ya got nothing to do, a camp can be a fun way to pass the time until maybe a fleet shows up.
First and foremost, fdn, you guys do the SAME thing. Fdn does gate camps, where they blow up 1 ship with 10-15 or more ships just like we do.
In fact they are suppose to be NRDS anti-pirates however there have been a few occasions that we have seen where they have shot on a brand new alt completely unaffiliated with bydi/scary who was guaranteed to be nuetral to them. This was at one of their gate camps. I ask, how is this any different from when we camp?
I hear a lot of the fdn and their allies on here always complaining that bydi/scary will only come out to fight when we have the better odds (more ships).
The truth is, we enjoy fighting outnumbered, and have intentionally engaged in fights where our opponent had 2 to 3 times the number of ships as we had.
For just one example, here is a 12 man bydi/ruin gang (ruin has since merged into bydi), taking on a 28 man PURE alliance gang. As you all know PURE are good pvp'rs and by no means a pushover.
If you look at the bottom of each column where it says ships fielded and ships lost, you will notice that we decimated the entire 28 ship fleet without losing a single one of our 12 ships.
Engagement Link: http://bydi.griefwatch.net/?p=engagement&kill=3485
I was FC of this battle on my main, and my scout had called out their ship types to me from 2 jumps away. I made the decision to hold position and get ready to fight.
Now if bydi doesn't like to fight outnumbered as you say, we had at least a good minute to avoid this fight, but we like to fight if we think we've got a good chance so we stayed.
Thats Eve, get over it. Do it back to them instead of writing a wailing wall of text.
Good read.
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Orar Ironfist
Capital Produce
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:25:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Fifinella
Originally by: Wylker It's ok, we know what to expect, and we always make the choice to engage. Its just amazing to me how they pat themselves on the back about it.
Whereas BYDI, of course, when they pop a defenceless hauler or a helpless noob, go and cut themselves with razors and lament on the horror that is their empty, evil life of bottomless despair and gloom.
I mean, that's why you keep doing it, isn't it? Because you hate it, not because you get some sort of fulfillment from popping ships that can't fight back? what is the philosophy behind "We camp gates and gank, but don't anyone dare do the same to us, for it is lame"?
I bet your first name is something like "Moonlight" or "Starshine", to go with the horror of empty misery that is the despair of your misunderstood genius that fuels your hatred for all things alive.
I guess lowsec gateganking is the EVE equivalent to reading poems in bars. Cut deeper, Starmist Wylker.
Oops. Used "empty" and "despair" twice. Oh well.
Wow an anti-pirate sayin that pirates are obviously emo in real life and have a terrible hate of everyone and that were depressed of our sad lives. How original. You sir are the best at creativeness....atleast fdn can come up with interesting smack.
Pirate for Life(no matter my sec)
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Fifinella
Fringe Exploration And Salvage Trust
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Posted - 2008.06.12 21:33:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Fifinella on 12/06/2008 21:36:06
Originally by: Orar Ironfist Wow an anti-pirate sayin that pirates are obviously emo in real life and have a terrible hate of everyone and that were depressed of our sad lives. How original. You sir are the best at creativeness....atleast fdn can come up with interesting smack.
No, I merely emphasised my question of whether pirates do in fact get some sort of satisfaction from ganking helpless travelers, since it was implied that only anti-pirates stoop to back-slapping when they manage to gank pirates.
You chose not to answer the question, and that's cool. It's a tricky one, anyway. |
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