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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:36:00 -
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CSM Issue sign off meeting, thursday 12th June, 20:00 hours Eve time.
This is a sign off meeting for the Issues raised onto the agenda for Iceland so far. The intention is to check that we have formal submission documentation for each issue raised, supported and voted onto the agenda so the documentation can be bundled up and indexed and sent to CCP by the CSM secretary following the meeting.
All items for submission need to be mailed to Ankhesentapemkah before by 01:00 hours on Thursday afternoon for the issue to be heard at the sign-off meeting that evening. Any items that are not received in time may be struck off the agenda of issues to be discussed in Iceland at the discretion of the committee
The list below shows issues cross-referenced with the CSM rep responsible for those issues, we expect the CSM reps listed below to produce the submission docs from the template here and have these documents mailed to the CSM secretary (by csm mail address) by the deadline of 01:00 hours Thursday afternoon.
Delegated to: Ankhesentapemkah Removal of 30/90 day gametime codes Logserver exploitation and Bacon Making suicide-ganking more difficult General Eve Forums improvement/fixing Delegated to: Bane Glorious Skill Queue Functionality
Delegated to: Darius Johnson Re-examination of 0.0 Sovereignty
Delegated to: Dierdra Val Evaluation of empire war dec mechanics Reload all Ammo
Delegated to: Hardin Drone Implants Improve Bombs
Delegated to: Inanna Zuni 5% voter issue Alliances and Faction Warfare Proposals for UI Improvements Replace double-click in a chat channel Cargo hold size of ships in hanger but not in use Delegated to: Inanna Zuni
Delegated to: Jade Constantine Improvements to Black Ops CSM should vote for its own chairman Feasibility of Outposts going boom Aggression timer is too short/variable hull fix
Delegated to: LaVista Science Industry + Secondary Market (Issue passed on the condition that document is split into major topics for individual confirming votes prior to submission) Rigged ships and cargo
Delegated to: Serenity Steele Jumpbridges and Cynojammer fix Transferable Killrights Funky POS Alterations
To recap, these Issues need to be properly written up and mailed to Ankhesentapemkah by 01:00 hours - Thursday June 12th. Then we'll check to documents at the meeting in the evening (20:00 hours) prior to giving the CSM secretary permission to index and send directly to CCP in advance of the formal meetings next week.
(In the event that Eve is still down following the patch - we'll do this by IRC.)
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:37:00 -
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I feel it's unfair to relegate my issue with cynojammers and jumpbridges to Serenity Steele, a CSM representative who has no concept of the problems involved in this issue.
He advocated a form of CONCORD in 0.0 space for god's sake.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy I feel it's unfair to relegate my issue with cynojammers and jumpbridges to Serenity Steele, a CSM representative who has no concept of the problems involved in this issue. He advocated a form of CONCORD in 0.0 space for god's sake.
Life is unfair. I emphasize with your plight I really do.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Ceros X
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:50:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777772
the issues discussed in this thread, namely the ability of the council to call for a vote of no confidence in the chairperson and a formalization of the powers of the position of chairperson to moderate discussion during formal sittings of the council needs to be added to the agenda
tia
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Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Life is unfair. I emphasize with your plight I really do.
Sarcasm doesn't suit you. Perhaps something red and slimming (and maybe it should hide your bulbous nose).
I have raised my concerns with the CSM process and I will continue to do so at every opportunity. Strangely CCP wanted subscriber input in the process not some computer programmer on a power trip attempting to control it.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ceros X http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777772
the issues discussed in this thread, namely the ability of the council to call for a vote of no confidence in the chairperson and a formalization of the powers of the position of chairperson to moderate discussion during formal sittings of the council needs to be added to the agenda
tia
Get a CSM rep to post here requesting it and they will be.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Ceros X http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777772
the issues discussed in this thread, namely the ability of the council to call for a vote of no confidence in the chairperson and a formalization of the powers of the position of chairperson to moderate discussion during formal sittings of the council needs to be added to the agenda
tia
Get a CSM rep to post here requesting it and they will be.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777772&page=5#142 - Bane giving his support http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777772&page=5#145 - La Vista giving his support
OH SNAP (YOU GOT SERVED) ((TALK ABOUT OWNED)) (((GO BACK TO YOUR MASTERS IN ARTHURIAN LITERATURE AND LEARN TO READ A THREAD)))
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Ceros X http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777772
the issues discussed in this thread, namely the ability of the council to call for a vote of no confidence in the chairperson and a formalization of the powers of the position of chairperson to moderate discussion during formal sittings of the council needs to be added to the agenda
tia
Get a CSM rep to post here requesting it and they will be.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777772&page=5#142 - Bane giving his support http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777772&page=5#145 - La Vista giving his support
OH SNAP (YOU GOT SERVED) ((TALK ABOUT OWNED)) (((GO BACK TO YOUR MASTERS IN ARTHURIAN LITERATURE AND LEARN TO READ A THREAD)))
They can post in this thread requesting it on the agenda and it'll be done.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Ceros X http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777772
the issues discussed in this thread, namely the ability of the council to call for a vote of no confidence in the chairperson and a formalization of the powers of the position of chairperson to moderate discussion during formal sittings of the council needs to be added to the agenda
tia
Get a CSM rep to post here requesting it and they will be.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777772&page=5#142 - Bane giving his support http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777772&page=5#145 - La Vista giving his support
OH SNAP (YOU GOT SERVED) ((TALK ABOUT OWNED)) (((GO BACK TO YOUR MASTERS IN ARTHURIAN LITERATURE AND LEARN TO READ A THREAD)))
But I also stated that I at this time do not wish to bring up this issue.
Learn to read a thread.
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Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Waterfowl Democracy on 09/06/2008 13:18:39 Edited by: Waterfowl Democracy on 09/06/2008 13:18:18
Originally by: Jade Constantine
They can post in this thread requesting it on the agenda and it'll be done.
[in character]
Frantically Jade struggles to grasp the fish that represented his meagre power in the CSM process. It was greasy however and it slipped one last time out of his hands and into the turbulent waters below his feet.
"NOOOOO", Jade called out to the emptiness surrounding him, "MY PRECIOUS."
[out of character]
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Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
But I also stated that I at this time do not wish to bring up this issue.
Learn to read a thread.
It is not my fault that you cannot stay facing one direction long enough to stop getting dizzy.
Your support post in that thread indicates that you do wish it to be discussed at the CSM. And yet later you state that you don't. Please make up your mind before telling other people to read threads, you can't even manage to read your own previous posts.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy
Originally by: Jade Constantine
They can post in this thread requesting it on the agenda and it'll be done.
[in character]
Frantically Jade struggles to grasp the fish that represented his meagre power in the CSM process. It was slippery however and it slipped one last time out of his hands and into the turbulent waters below his feet.
"NOOOOO", Jade called out to the emptiness surrounding him, "MY PRECIOUS."
You really are trying quite hard today.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy
Originally by: LaVista Vista
But I also stated that I at this time do not wish to bring up this issue.
Learn to read a thread.
It is not my fault that you cannot stay facing one direction long enough to stop getting dizzy.
Your support post in that thread indicates that you do wish it to be discussed at the CSM. And yet later you state that you don't. Please make up your mind before telling other people to read threads, you can't even manage to read your own previous posts.
Don't cry waterfowl, maybe Bane will post the issue for you.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Tabouli
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy
Originally by: Jade Constantine
They can post in this thread requesting it on the agenda and it'll be done.
[in character]
Frantically Jade struggles to grasp the fish that represented his meagre power in the CSM process. It was slippery however and it slipped one last time out of his hands and into the turbulent waters below his feet.
"NOOOOO", Jade called out to the emptiness surrounding him, "MY PRECIOUS."
You really are trying quite hard today.
he's posting here because he was muted on our own forums which is pretty ironic really
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Gorfob
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Gorfob on 09/06/2008 13:32:28 :(
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Bane Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:34:00 -
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"Capital Ships Online" Buff Large Autocannons (especially Dual 650mms and 800mms) Abolish Learning Skills |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tabouli
he's posting here because he was muted on our own forums which is pretty ironic really
heh, agreed!
You know it did strike me that one of the masterstrokes of CCP's CSM concept was that it has acted as a flycatcher/bugzapper for all of goonswarms most annoying posters who get drawn to these assembly/jita forums and by consequence spend less time messing up CAOD ... makes you think.
/tinfoil.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Tabouli
he's posting here because he was muted on our own forums which is pretty ironic really
heh, agreed!
You know it did strike me that one of the masterstrokes of CCP's CSM concept was that it has acted as a flycatcher/bugzapper for all of goonswarms most annoying posters who get drawn to these assembly/jita forums and by consequence spend less time messing up CAOD ... makes you think.
/tinfoil.
Actually I almost never post in COAD. It's crap.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Glorious "Capital Ships Online" Buff Large Autocannons (especially Dual 650mms and 800mms) Abolish Learning Skills
Those will be for the Sunday following Bane - to be announced. Since they are 7 day issues that need to be formally voted. Remember that as agreed yesterday you'll need to provide the fully-written submission template with each of those and if they get voted through.
This Thursday meeting is currently purely to confirm items for submission before the CCP deadline. + any crazy admin sack the chair / abolish moderation style procedural votes that people want to bring to filibuster the meeting with if they get bum-rushed into it by forum nonsense.
Anything after that / including the sunday issues we'll be submitting as a secondary group and asking CCP to make an exception on the 7 in advance rule if we have the time on the agenda.
TL:DR version.
I'll put those on the agenda for the Sunday meeting, but you'll need to make sure each issue is fully documented with the CCP submission template.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Tabouli
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Tabouli
he's posting here because he was muted on our own forums which is pretty ironic really
heh, agreed!
You know it did strike me that one of the masterstrokes of CCP's CSM concept was that it has acted as a flycatcher/bugzapper for all of goonswarms most annoying posters who get drawn to these assembly/jita forums and by consequence spend less time messing up CAOD ... makes you think.
/tinfoil.
no it's ironic because he was muted
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tabouli
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Tabouli
he's posting here because he was muted on our own forums which is pretty ironic really
heh, agreed!
You know it did strike me that one of the masterstrokes of CCP's CSM concept was that it has acted as a flycatcher/bugzapper for all of goonswarms most annoying posters who get drawn to these assembly/jita forums and by consequence spend less time messing up CAOD ... makes you think.
/tinfoil.
no it's ironic because he was muted
Yes I know.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Tabouli
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Tabouli
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Tabouli
he's posting here because he was muted on our own forums which is pretty ironic really
heh, agreed!
You know it did strike me that one of the masterstrokes of CCP's CSM concept was that it has acted as a flycatcher/bugzapper for all of goonswarms most annoying posters who get drawn to these assembly/jita forums and by consequence spend less time messing up CAOD ... makes you think.
/tinfoil.
no it's ironic because he was muted
Yes I know.
"could no longer talk or contribute to discussion through the direct actions of a moderator"
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Draven Stone
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Life is unfair. I emphasize with your plight I really do.
Casual and vaguely smart-arsed dismissal of concerns like this do nothing to counter the growing perception that you are approaching the CSM as your own personal plaything rather than your actual role as a player representative. You either dismiss or completely ignore any and all criticism of your actions, which is surprising given your unique talent of using a thousand words where ten will suffice. Your openly hostile attitude towards goonswarm players regardless of the content of their posts completely undermines your weak cries of impartiality in the CSM.
Contrast this to the responses of Darius JOHNSON in his CSM candidacy thread, and in this forum in general. He has consistently responded to blatant trolling by people, and has done so in a far more patient, courteous, and level-headed way than many of the questions deserved.
The fact that the goonswarm rep is approaching the CSM far more mature and responsible fashion than the Star Fraction guy would be merely amusing if that was the only issue with your actions thus far, however your astounding display of incompetence today clearly demonstrates your utter unsuitability as the CSM chairman, and calls into question the appropriateness of your role as a CSM candidate altogether.
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Hardin
Praetoria Technologies
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Posted - 2008.06.09 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I'll put those on the agenda for the Sunday meeting, but you'll need to make sure each issue is fully documented with the CCP submission template.
I would like to put the following items on the Sunday agenda and take responsibility for getting the Template worked up.
Completion of unfinished Story Arcs: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=789648
Promotion of Roleplay Interests in EVE: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=791735
Jade, these two issues are very interrelated and can I believe be incorporated into one 'issue' template for the Sunday meeting - particularly as Rodj's fits within the scope of Kai Zion's.
I would therefore like to bring this forward these as a 'Developing a coherent roleplay strategy' issue which will be more effective in terms of CSM time!
Similarly, I would also like to flag up another two issues which I also believe fit together and would come under the heading 'Standings Management' and would be helful for the administrators of Standings throughout the galaxy.
Increase the number of corporation standing slots: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=789692
Corps should automatically obtain alliance standings: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=791955
The second issue does not have much support (no opposition either) probably because it is a peripheral item of relevance to a relatively small number of players but I think it can be addressed relatively easily within the scope of the 'Standings Management' issue.
Thanks
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 14:10:00 -
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I believe these meetings are supposed to be scheduled in such a way that all may attend. 4pm East Coast US time on a week day is typically during the work day. I'm going to ask that you reschedule for a time when all of the elected representatives can attend.
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Inanna Zuni
The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.09 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Inanna Zuni on 09/06/2008 14:39:18
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I believe these meetings are supposed to be scheduled in such a way that all may attend. 4pm East Coast US time on a week day is typically during the work day. I'm going to ask that you reschedule for a time when all of the elected representatives can attend.
I would concur with this, despite my UK base I have long experience of world-wide online meetings (and the innate difficulty in scheduling them) but when it is known that two of the CSM are US-based then it is unreasonable to intentionally schedule a meeting they cannot be present at.
The timezones the current 'CSM 9' are in are, I believe, CDT, BST(GMT+1) and EDT so there is a six hours gap. This is very clearly a problem on a weekday (due to school / college / work / etc), thus an actual 'meeting' might not be the right way to proceed (midnight European being 6pm East Coast is the nearest to a possible time and is still very imperfect) so maybe a thread on the unused-so-far 'Proclamations' forum is the right way to go here, with each Council member posting their submission as a new thread and *CSM members only* posting an acceptance of it. This has the side-benefit of getting all the current issues to be submitted in one clear place separate of the discussions still taking place on other topics so that all pilots can see what we are taking forward.
IZ
My principles |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Inanna Zuni Edited by: Inanna Zuni on 09/06/2008 14:39:18
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I believe these meetings are supposed to be scheduled in such a way that all may attend. 4pm East Coast US time on a week day is typically during the work day. I'm going to ask that you reschedule for a time when all of the elected representatives can attend.
I would concur with this, despite my UK base I have long experience of world-wide online meetings (and the innate difficulty in scheduling them) but when it is known that two of the CSM are US-based then it is unreasonable to intentionally schedule a meeting they cannot be present at.
The timezones the current 'CSM 9' are in are, I believe, CDT, BST(GMT+1) and EDT so there is a six hours gap. This is very clearly a problem on a weekday (due to school / college / work / etc), thus an actual 'meeting' might not be the right way to proceed (midnight European being 6pm East Coast is the nearest to a possible time and is still very imperfect) so maybe a thread on the unused-so-far 'Proclamations' forum is the right way to go here, with each Council member posting their submission as a new thread and *CSM members only* posting an acceptance of it. This has the side-benefit of getting all the current issues to be submitted in one clear place separate of the discussions still taking place on other topics so that all pilots can see what we are taking forward.
IZ
I like this. Puts everything into easily-logged text format, and avoids scheduling issues. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:34:00 -
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Quote: Logserver exploitation and Bacon
Bacon (and similar programs) wont work anymore after EA has been deployed...
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 17:47:00 -
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If someone would support minmatar capital review or maybe minmatar bs and above review that be great, because they are really terrible.
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Martin VanBuren
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tabouli
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Tabouli
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Tabouli
he's posting here because he was muted on our own forums which is pretty ironic really
heh, agreed!
You know it did strike me that one of the masterstrokes of CCP's CSM concept was that it has acted as a flycatcher/bugzapper for all of goonswarms most annoying posters who get drawn to these assembly/jita forums and by consequence spend less time messing up CAOD ... makes you think.
/tinfoil.
no it's ironic because he was muted
Yes I know.
"could no longer talk or contribute to discussion through the direct actions of a moderator"
It is a pretty good joke, yes, but you are probably going to have to quote it 5 more times and then parse it into individual lines with commentary for Jade to get it
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