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Mernor Akat
Black Bag Operations
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Mernor Akat on 10/06/2008 20:33:11
This coward foolishly surrendered to Tibus Heth. He should be stripped of his presidency and be summarily executed for his incompetence and for surrendering without much of a fight.
Death to The President!
Mernor Akat |
Mernor Akat
Black Bag Operations
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Mernor Akat on 10/06/2008 20:33:11
This coward foolishly surrendered to Tibus Heth. He should be stripped of his presidency and be summarily executed for his incompetence and for surrendering without much of a fight.
Death to The President!
Mernor Akat |
Caiman Graystock
Quantum of Solace
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:36:00 -
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Your President was wise in his cowardice. Or would you rather we laid waste to your Homeworld? |
Caiman Graystock
Quantum of Solace
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:36:00 -
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Your President was wise in his cowardice. Or would you rather we laid waste to your Homeworld? |
Andre Ricard
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:43:00 -
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I have to wonder where in the name of all the Gods put together the Naval rapid response wing was during all of this, and why on earth there aren't greater orbital defenses around Gallente Prime.
As a result, we now have a Caldari titan sitting in Luminaire, and its escorts are blasting apart anyone who draws close. |
Marie Trudeau
Trudeau Enterprises S.a.r.l.
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:46:00 -
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It is a matter of gross incompetence for the Admiralty more than anything we can hold against the President. Our fleets were in the Caldari Border Zone when that butcher was slaughtering our countrymen on Caldari Prime. I've spoken with the Senator's office this morning -- rest assured, this will not stand. But heads in Admiralty will need to roll -- pathetic incompetence indeed. |
Remus Navillum
LEGION OF DEATHADDERS
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:47:00 -
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President Foiritain was in an unwinnable situation, and played the only card he had.
The system was locked down, with every entrance awash with mines. With no way to get the navy into Luminaire, all he could do was hope to mitigate the loss of life. He had a choice between sacrificing Caldari Prime, or letting Heth bombard the residential areas. Where countless millions could have died, the casualties were limited to the hundreds of thousands.
A wise leader does not concern himself with pride or honor above the lives of his people. |
Yann Ephemere
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Yann Ephemere on 10/06/2008 20:49:47
I hate it, but I have to admire the Caldari.
They threw their entire Navy into this. It's not like they sent a strike force -- they sent their entire Fleet, leaving no reserves to protect their systems. Against a fleet of that magnitude, Luminaire's defenses didn't have a chance. And when the Federation Navy moved in to take advantage of Caldari's unguarded flank...Heth held our capital hostage.
My biggest question is this: who taught him this level of strategy? I'm willing to bet my sweet Iteron that it's the same person who fronted him the cash for his rise to power... |
Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:51:00 -
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Right or wrong our President made the only decision he could. Caldari Prime is not worth a million deaths |
Zapp Brenigan
Terran Resurrection
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Posted - 2008.06.10 21:09:00 -
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This is probably the first thing Foiritan ever did that made sense. Welcome back to the State brethren, it has been too long.
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Nikita Alterana
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Posted - 2008.06.10 22:03:00 -
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President Foiritan was wise to surrender the planet, honestly, its just one planet, and if its the cause of all this trouble, just let the Caldari have it. Its not like there aren't plenty more worlds in space.
Foiritan averted a very bad situation, you should be thanking him that Gallente Prime is not burning. |
Radix Salvilines
Xoth Inc
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.06.10 22:13:00 -
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but the caldari prime will be... burning... that was imo a stupid move to take it heh...
Caldari capsuleers wont be able to assist in holding it while Gallente capsuleers are already hunting down and thrashing every caldari navy ship in the system (including the titan).
Die caldari.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: Mithrantir Ob''lontra on 10/06/2008 23:19:10
 Originally by: Zapp Brenigan
This is probably the first thing Foiritan ever did that made sense. Welcome back to the State brethren, it has been too long.
Which brethen you fool? Down there are only expatriates.And a lot of Gallente people. Want to give the planet our expatriates are located perhaps?
Heth just proved who is the ruthless part of the equation and who is not.
It's not Gallente that corrupt you, you have no one to blame but yourselves.
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As for Foiritain i wish we all had the wisdom and courage to swift the focus from the personal gain to the good of the nation. Should he foolishly tried to pursue a battle, he knew that WE would pay the greatest price. Most people would go for personal glory from their death, caused by a planetary bombarment of Gallente Prime. He did better than most and that is good enough for a President of the Federation.
After all the Federation is the people, not the planets.
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Shira d'Radonis
The Amarr Mission
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:27:00 -
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Cowardice?! I think not! Are you aware that the Federation Senate unanimously passed a declaration of war against the Caldari? Do you know the kind of nerve it takes to defy every member of your legislature! *laughs* |
Dionisius
The Circle
STYX.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:06:00 -
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On board the Dominix class battleship " Soul Seeker "
Destination: Federate Homeworld
Citizens of the Federation to arms! Our brethren need our support now more than ever.
The president was wise in its decision has a Leviathan is still in our homeworld's system.
The time for our response will come. |
Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dionisius
On board the Dominix class battleship " Soul Seeker "
Destination: Federate Homeworld
Citizens of the Federation to arms! Our brethren need our support now more than ever.
The president was wise in its decision has a Leviathan is still in our homeworld's system.
The time for our response will come.
Correction - that titan is in orbit around a Caldari planet. It is technically in State sovereign territory. All nice and legal, with your President's signature on the paper.
Think of Caldari Prime as a little bubble of State territory inside the Luminaire system. There is a border, beyond which Caldari forces will not venture. Beyond that border is Federation space. Within is Caldari space.
Despite my misgivings about how we got that planet, its status as Caldari territory is now legally ratified and binding. Please don't make this harder than it already has been. |
Nikita Alterana
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:32:00 -
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think of it like Tierijev pocket, but smaller.
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Dionisius
The Circle
STYX.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Dionisius
On board the Dominix class battleship " Soul Seeker "
Destination: Federate Homeworld
Citizens of the Federation to arms! Our brethren need our support now more than ever.
The president was wise in its decision has a Leviathan is still in our homeworld's system.
The time for our response will come.
Correction - that titan is in orbit around a Caldari planet. It is technically in State sovereign territory. All nice and legal, with your President's signature on the paper.
Think of Caldari Prime as a little bubble of State territory inside the Luminaire system. There is a border, beyond which Caldari forces will not venture. Beyond that border is Federation space. Within is Caldari space.
Despite my misgivings about how we got that planet, its status as Caldari territory is now legally ratified and binding. Please don't make this harder than it already has been.
This action today was an atack not only to those poor souls in Caldari Prime but to every single one of us citizens of the Federation and that cannot, and will not, be tolerated.
My actions will be with whatever the president of the Federate Navy Comand order.
On a personal note, Captain Stitcher, you are a good man from what i could observe in your previous messages here in Galnet, may the ancestors watch over you in the times ahead. |
Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dionisius
This action today was an atack not only to those poor souls in Caldari Prime but to every single one of us citizens of the Federation and that cannot, and will not, be tolerated.
My actions will be with whatever the president of the Federate Navy Comand order.
On a personal note, Captain Stitcher, you are a good man from what i could observe in your previous messages here in Galnet, may the ancestors watch over you in the times ahead.
It's gratifying to know you think so highly of me. Still, it looks like we're doomed to disagree over this.
I've had plenty of time to meditate on the Caldari Prime situation over the last few hours, and have had something of a change of heart. Two days ago, I would have encouraged my fellow Caldari to let go, declaring that a man with his feet stuck to the ground cannot touch the stars.
Now, I'm parked in orbit around Caldari Prime, probably for the last time in a long while. Tomorrow, Duty. join the State Protectorate, and that means that reaching the Luminaire system will be extremely difficult for me. I've had an epiphany.
Alone of all the races, the Caldari suffered a loss that could not be compared. The Minmatar were enslaved, but broke free. The Amarr and Gallente have always been reasonably ascendant, suffering only the occasional minor setback. We lost our home. The woods, wilds and winds that guided and protected us in our cultural youth were taken from us, and no amount of diplomacy could restore that. No other culture in human history has suffered quite the same sort of loss.
For as long as I thought that our homeworld was beyond our grasp, I thought that the desire to reclaim it was a form of neoteny - a prolonged desire for childhood, unhealthy in an advanced culture such as ours. Now, I understand that a house cannot be built strong without solid foundations, that a soldier will fight harder and better for a cause he truly believes in. I feel glad that Caldari Prime is ours once again - but at the same time, I feel like I have betrayed one of my personal heroes. I only hope that the spirit of Otro Gariushi can forgive us.
I've read the propoganda the Federation are spreading, the recruitment message that their militia is using to entice Gallente pilots to fight. All of the empires are painting themselves as blameless - none are.
Today was a bleak day for Caldari honour. We were forced to burn a hundred years' worth of bridges today... but those bridges would not have needed torching were it not for Gallente stubbornness. Similarly, were it not for Amarrian inflexibility, the Minmatar may not have been forced to cast the first stone. All of our peoples bear the shame for today. Mine for longing so much for a thing that we eventually became willing to betray so much trust - even the ideals of our heroes - to retake it. Yours for not recognizing that longing and offering a compromise. The Amarrians for similar reasons, and the Matari for lacking the discipline to hold themselves back from their desire.
Isn't it odd how our galaxy's "foes" mirror each other? The Caldari and Matari should be kindred spirits, united in having escaped the cultural dominance of another. The Gallente and Amarr are alike in being utterly, arrogantly convinced that their way of life is the best, and that all people should follow it.
If any hope is to be salvaged today, it must start with the Gallente learning how to compromise, and to give back. The Caldari wanted the return of that which was ours by birthright. Maybe we should not have taken it, but we did. Now it is up to the Federation to demonstrate that you can learn tolerance and magnanimity. |
Marie Trudeau
Trudeau Enterprises S.a.r.l.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:46:00 -
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There is no magnanimity that is appropriate for armed robbery. There was a settlement reached long ago, at the end of the first war between our peoples. Your brash, murderous dictator has now abrogated that, twisting the arms of our President due to the sheer incompetence of our Admiralty. Nevertheless, in due time, we will have back what is ours, what was always ours, and what was agreed to have been left behind by your people at the close of our last struggle. If you honestly think that a permanent, hostile military installation in the home system of the Gallente Federation will be permanentized, you must have taken too many boosters.
Have your day of pride and rejoicing. The day of the guns comes next. And swiftly indeed it will come. |
Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 11/06/2008 01:58:28
Originally by: Marie Trudeau
Nevertheless, in due time, we will have back what is ours, what was always ours,
Two hundred years is a lot less than "always", Ms. Trudeau. It was NOT always yours - your people were not born there, were not toughened by its storms and seasons, did not hunt its mountains and grasslands, did not settle its rivers and hills. The Caldari lived on that world since before it even WAS a world. It formed around us, guided by the patient pressures of terraforming equipment, and we formed with it.
You embody the kind of arrogance that I am calling for an end of, Ms. Trudeau. The one lesson the Gallente in general desperately need to learn, is how to compromise.
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Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain. |
Shira d'Radonis
The Amarr Mission
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:18:00 -
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It's ridiculous for the Gallente to be satisfied with a chunk of another country's sovereign space in their system. It's also ridiculous for the Caldari to want to hold a planet that is completely surrounded by enemy space. The planet is also not at all worth fighting for. There seems to be only one solution: push the planet out of the system. |
Marie Trudeau
Trudeau Enterprises S.a.r.l.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 11/06/2008 01:58:28
Originally by: Marie Trudeau
Nevertheless, in due time, we will have back what is ours, what was always ours,
Two hundred years is a lot less than "always", Ms. Trudeau. It was NOT always yours - your people were not born there, were not toughened by its storms and seasons, did not hunt its mountains and grasslands, did not settle its rivers and hills. The Caldari lived on that world since before it even WAS a world. It formed around us, guided by the patient pressures of terraforming equipment, and we formed with it.
You embody the kind of arrogance that I am calling for an end of, Ms. Trudeau. The one lesson the Gallente in general desperately need to learn,
is how to compromise.
Compromise? I was not aware of any diplomatic action by the state regarding Caldari Prime since the last accords. No .. instead your racist dictator *stole* it from us. I suppose this is what passes for Caldari "diplomacy". Very well then. One does not negotiate with thieves. One punishes them for their transgression. And that punishment is coming.
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Yokan Daifuku
Mithril Lances
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:42:00 -
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Resignation would be nice, but Hormone Replacement Therapy may be a close second. Twice our noses are bloodied and the Fleet sits in pieces, berthed without parts and pilots.
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Yo-con
Die-foo-koo |
Marie D'Artois
D'Artois Legal Services
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Posted - 2008.06.11 03:48:00 -
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President Souro Foiritan is incompetent, unintelligent, selfish, and drunk with his own ascension to power. His policies are all failures in their own right. In this latest crisis, as with his previous blunders, he was again slow to act. Senator Mentas Blaque, on the other hand, was quick and resolute in his decisive action. Is there any question which of the two is fit to lead us?
The Minmatar, of all the peoples in this universe, can teach us of proper governance. Seeing the need for action, they have cast aside the ineffective methods which had anchored them, and the competent and decisive leaders among them did what was required of them. We can only hope that Mentas Blaque and others of distinction can rescue us in like manner!
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Sven Pollick
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: Sven Pollick on 11/06/2008 12:54:01
Stitcher, you may also see by Ms. Trudeau's stance toward this as another similarity between the Gallente and Amarr, that inflexibility you mentioned. Ms. Trudeau, Tibus Heth has reclaimed that which stubborn inflexibility took from us, inflexibility toward a peace between our cultures and the occupation, and subsequent residency of our own homeworld. Perhaps we should usurp you from your own homeworld for a hundred years, taking it by force. Then you may see what it is like, to live in an existence where the only memory of your homeworld is what is painted for you by elders that remember it.
I grow tired of your insolent kind, Ms. Trudeau. You, like Admiral Noir, are foolish patriots, drowned in the ideas that you are members of an all-powerful culture, dominating over all else, your superiority complex overshadowing what is right. "Freedom-fighters" is what I am told you see yourselves as, some sort of upholders of "freedom" and what is "right" in the universe. It is nothing but lies.
I intend to visit my homeworld, and I will not shun any Gallentean visitors or stewards. After all, I'm sure you Federation rats kept the planet in good order for our eventual arrival... I suppose I should say thank you for that much, at least. Please send my regards to President Foiritan, for the quick return of what was originally ours. Tell him he has my regards for that whole thing with Huermont and Nouvelle Rouvenor...
-Sven Pollick - New neighbor
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PiF
TAKAGI Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:55:00 -
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Let's see his decisions by acknowledging that he had a pistol over his head... If he decided to engage the caldari worlds undefended, he would have to face the execution of millions of gallenteans on Luminaire VII and he could even watch Gallente Prime destroyed.
His failure is mainly to have permitted that a caldari force was able to pass thru our defenses so easily.
Know something ? Sell it to the NeXus network |
Agustus Caesar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:03:00 -
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I used to be a firm supporter of the current President Foiritan, but the fact that the FIO failed to detect such a massive fleet gathering at Federal borders and the fact that the Navy failed so spectacularly in repelling it is display of gross incompetence that cannot be ignored. I can hardly fault President Foiritan for ceeding Caldari Prime, but Heth should never have been given the chance to hold Luminaire hostage in the first place. |
Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:06:00 -
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1) Luminaire is only two jumps from Caldari territory.
2) The Caldari commited the overwhelming majority of our Navy to the task
3) the operation was presumable planned and conducted on the understanding that the FIO was active within the State, and every effort was made to keep it as secret as possible.
That combination means that repelling the Caldari fleet would have been a superhuman task. |
Agustus Caesar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Agustus Caesar on 11/06/2008 13:18:48
Originally by: Stitcher
1) Luminaire is only two jumps from Caldari territory.
You'd think that fact alone would cause President Foiritan to fortify Luminaire
Originally by: Stitcher
2) The Caldari commited the overwhelming majority of our Navy to the task
3) the operation was presumable planned and conducted on the understanding that the FIO was active within the State, and every effort was made to keep it as secret as possible.
The fact alone that so many ships were involved, billions of Caldari Naval personel; would make at least detecting the invasion before it happened easy for any intelligence agency worth it's salt. With so many personel you're telling me the FIO couldn't find 1 measily officer to tell them what was going on?
I don't claim to know all the behind the scenes facts of this debacle, but when a hostile fleet invades and captures the Federation capital in less than an hour.....heads must roll. |
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