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LORD OSMA
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: LORD OSMA on 10/06/2008 23:16:49
As many people will know.. caldari are the highest proportions of player in eve, simple maths would say that the majority of faction warfare players will be caldari pushing the other 3 race's into the corner |
Mangala Solaris
Ma'adim Logistics
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:16:00 -
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 Originally by: LORD OSMA
I fully agree with your ideas :)
Go Caldari!!! |
Karaya Yi
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:16:00 -
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wut? |
JamnOne
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:18:00 -
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Caldari will not rule FW. It will be a joint effort between the Amarr and Caldari. Unfortunately.
I really don't like the Heth. He appears to be a bit like ******. |
Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:19:00 -
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We did a little interview with ZuluPark this weekend on the WDA podcast. This point was raised during the interview. :)
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Lithalnas
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:21:00 -
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what?? most of caldari nation are happy carebears, pvpers have loose affiliations with empire is should be somewhat evenly spread out across the 4 nations. |
LORD OSMA
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
We did a little interview with ZuluPark this weekend on the WDA podcast. This point was raised during the interview. :)
just downloading now...
another problem being is jita..... every1 buys in and around jita for most of the things they want. |
Hannobaal
Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:23:00 -
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quality > quantity  |
Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:24:00 -
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Torp Ravens vs Fleet Mega's 'nuff said! :) |
cal nereus
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: LORD OSMA
Originally by: Winterblink
We did a little interview with ZuluPark this weekend on the WDA podcast. This point was raised during the interview. :)
just downloading now...
another problem being is jita..... every1 buys in and around jita for most of the things they want.
Well, a counterpoint to that is that only militia folks won't be able to go to Jita, and they have the second and third/fourth biggest trade hubs in the game anyways: Rens, Dodixie and Oursulaert. The market will be fine, and everyone should be able to get the stuff they want without having to go to Jita. |
Cailais
VITOC
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:27:00 -
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They probably also represent the highest proportion of High Sec mission runners / industrial alts who wont want to risk their +5s and CNRs / Hulks in a battle over a bunch of low sec systems.
C.
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Kirex
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:27:00 -
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Yeah...the whole galaxy is going to tremble at the fear of NPC fit ravens trying to PVP. |
Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:29:00 -
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Good I am Caldari and have no plans to defect to any other nation. |
LORD OSMA
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
They probably also represent the highest proportion of High Sec mission runners / industrial alts who wont want to risk their +5s and CNRs / Hulks in a battle over a bunch of low sec systems.
C.
valid point  |
Janet Marshall
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
We did a little interview with ZuluPark this weekend on the WDA podcast. This point was raised during the interview. :)
Shameless self promoters. |
supr3m3justic3
ACE'S OVER 8'S
The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:32:00 -
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 CALDARI KICKS A$$ |
Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:32:00 -
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Macro miners and mission runners ATTAAAAAAAAAACK! |
supr3m3justic3
ACE'S OVER 8'S
The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:33:00 -
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Quit whining trolls!!! you can never be happy..... |
LORD OSMA
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: supr3m3justic3
CALDARI KICKS A$$
and thats a major problem, my main is a caldari fleet bs pilot,
the fact is caldari rule in most bt not all things. and tbh around 45% of the people who will play fw will be caldari.. then allied with amarr probably a total of around 60-70% between them ( ok i am guessing bt it has a base tbh with caldari being most popular) so at most 40% between minnie an gally |
Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:40:00 -
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yes, because everybody else will be slaughtered by all the mission running CNRs. |
Armoured C
Globaltech Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:45:00 -
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oooh noes a PVE fit CNR is trying to kill me well i will have to stop that
GOOOO WARP DISTRUPTERS |
NateX
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
quality > quantity
is it eve we are talking about? |
Ghostwarden
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Posted - 2008.06.10 23:55:00 -
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Actually...after talking with a couple of guys I know that got in on some of the FW testing on sisi, I would say that the caldari will ger their buts handed to them. Thats what was happening on the test server, if what I was told was accurate.
Ghost |
Arkhan Bayne
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: LORD OSMA
Originally by: Winterblink
We did a little interview with ZuluPark this weekend on the WDA podcast. This point was raised during the interview. :)
just downloading now...
another problem being is jita..... every1 buys in and around jita for most of the things they want.
LOL, CCP finally implimented that jita fix all those foolish people have been QQ-ing about for ages - now 50% of all FW pilots will be vaporised on entering the system.
I've been saying for ages that you don't *need* to be in jita to sell or buy things, being near it helps. besides, there are other trade hubs. Rens and Hek are good for buying/selling as well, and they're less congested.
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Zaknussem
The Ironbreakers
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:03:00 -
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Yes, the Caldari are the most numerous race in EvE, player-wise.
No, not all of the Caldari players are PvP experts. Most of them aren't even PvPers. Far too many of them aren't even run by real people!
In the defense of the Caldari, I predict that the State Protectorate station in Nourvukaiken will be a hot-spot of FW activity. 4 high Quality Agents in the same station, 1 for each level? In a Hi-Sec system? With a Low-sec system right next door? In one of the busiest regions in EvE? |
Evenil
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:09:00 -
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Well I can safely say that our first Caldari Militia op was a huge succes... Our FC led 30 odd ships into battle to start with, ending up with maybe 50ish. We won 3 or 4 major fleet battles and took a few control points, while traveling through about 8 systems.
I'd say all in all: HUGE SUCCESS! :D |
Zaknussem
The Ironbreakers
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:14:00 -
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Is it hard to overstate your satisfaction?
*ducks thrown cake* |
Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:16:00 -
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A few thoughts on the OP's predictions, some of which have been mentioned:
1) Many of the large pool of Caldari characters are pure mission-runners used for isk generation. These characters will likely not participate in FW.
2) Of the remaining population, a fair number of them feel no great loyalty to the State itself, but take on whatever cause strikes them as most noble ... or most lucrative. I know of a good number of Caldari characters who side with the Matari, for example.
3) Caldari ships are for the most part, not widely known for PvP excellence. The ships of their primary opponent, the Gallente, are.
In any case, we'll see how things form up in the next week or so...
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Becq Starforged
proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services
At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today! |
Evenil
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zaknussem
Is it hard to overstate your satisfaction?
*ducks thrown cake*
The cake, as we all know, is a lie!
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realmdefender
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:19:00 -
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Personally I hope you all go caldari im allready planning my invasion of jita :P |
Kuranta
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:29:00 -
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Higher numbers? - Maybe
But as well a higher number of players who chooose caldari achura just for PvE and who will not participate in FW.
TBH a large number of Caldari Carebears will just not participate. |
Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:45:00 -
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Your math is flawed.
1. You assume -All- Caldari will join the Caldari side just because they are Caldari.
2. To enter FW you have to either go in solo or your corp has to sign up. How many corporations are 100% Caldari? How many corporations are actually going to join the Caldari militia?
3. You assume that all the players that are caldari are good at pvp.
Am I saying that Caldari are going to suck? No, amd I saying they going to win? No. Its going to take some time for the sides to form and really solidify but saying that a race is going to dominate because its got the most numbers is short sighted. |
Jmanis Catharg
Stickler inc
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:56:00 -
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Quote:
3. You assume that all the players that are caldari are good at pvp.
QFT.
There's a reason why I built a billion ISK worth of ravens at 81 mil a pop and put aside 500 mil from my usual indy/market pursuits
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Fwaps Continuously
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:01:00 -
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to the OP...
Gallente have far superior ships  (hands up, completely aknowledged) but anyone can train them in days
%do n=0 to 90; /* assuming 3 months until next patch */
%put "I guess that today+n is not the day to be gallente  ";
%next n;
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Torze
Legion Of The Void
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:02:00 -
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Er um, why does everyone assume that the Caldari pilots will be all flying Caldari ships. I know that for myself, I fly all 4 races ships.
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danwa
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Toramii
From my play testing on Sisi, yes the Caldari do have the advantage in number of pilots. But their quality is very questionable  , they know how to blob but given equal odds (or even outnumbered) the Gallente do come out on top.
And the bonus to being Gallente ... lotsa war targets. Bring it on 
PS. To the Caldari, bring your carriers please 
We just got "blobbed"
However rebuilding quickly ...
...very Quickly....Bruhahahahaha
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Caffeine Junkie
2 Guys In Motherships
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Fwaps Continuously
to the OP...
Gallente have far superior ships (hands up, completely aknowledged) but anyone can train them in days
%do n=0 to 90; /* assuming 3 months until next patch */
%put "I guess that today+n is not the day to be gallente ";
%next n;
Torp CNR with Faction BCS can outdamage a Neutron Navy Mega with SS MFS, but it won't outlast it, if FW gives me a stream of Raven's to fire at, i'd be very happy! |
Jmanis Catharg
Stickler inc
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:33:00 -
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Quote:
Torp CNR with Faction BCS can outdamage a Neutron Navy Mega with SS MFS, but it won't outlast it, if FW gives me a stream of Raven's to fire at, i'd be very happy!
Can't fire those neut blasters without cap now can you? (pats his heavy energy neuts in those two convenient free high slots on the ol Raven) |
Nitakko
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
quality > quantity
Blob > quality
Originally by: Fwaps Continuously
to the OP...
Gallente have far superior ships
Outright *BS*. I'll take a Falcon or Vaga over any Gallente ship any day. |
Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:51:00 -
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It took the Gallente months to conquer Caldari Prime, we took it back in a single day.
Now that's comedy. |
Caffeine Junkie
2 Guys In Motherships
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jmanis Catharg
Quote:
Torp CNR with Faction BCS can outdamage a Neutron Navy Mega with SS MFS, but it won't outlast it, if FW gives me a stream of Raven's to fire at, i'd be very happy!
Can't fire those neut blasters without cap now can you? (pats his heavy energy neuts in those two convenient free high slots on the ol Raven)
WTS Cap Booster 800s |
Jmanis Catharg
Stickler inc
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Posted - 2008.06.11 04:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 11/06/2008 04:11:01
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Oh' and you try squeezing a tank, mwd, tackle, BCS and torp launchers on a raven, and then for lols try and add the neuts too!
Who said anything about MWD or Tackle? With a full rack of Neut Blasters on deck (assuming antimatter), you're the one wanting to get up close and personal, don't need to stop you going anywhere if you want to come into range
Assuming 1v1 I'm just trying to scare you off really. In anything else, that's what tacklers are for Oh yeah, I already have the 800s sitting in the cargobay, didn't need that tip. |
Sharra Savente
Domini Umbrus
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: realmdefender
Personally I hope you all go caldari im allready planning my invasion of jita :P
I wish....
The Forge isn't on the contested list. We don't get to spank Jita. Essence, ie Oursulaert, our hub, is. Being able to flip Jita would make it totally worth losing a ton of ships:) I could spend a serious sack of isk zerging for the flip
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English doesn't borrow from other languages; it follows other languages down dark alleys, coshes 'em, then rummages in their pockets for loose bits of grammar. |
Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.06.11 04:34:00 -
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Yes, everyone tremble before the mighty hordes of cruise pve ravens the caldari can unleash!
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.06.11 04:58:00 -
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If it was real faction vs faction with ships limited to ship faction as well it would literally be a blood bath as Caldari EW > All.
Can you picture 10 Blackbirds all fitted with Gallente jammers, would disable a whole Gallente fleet.
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Satura
Utterly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.06.11 05:08:00 -
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A lot of people are just caldari for the atributes. And they train other races. |
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.06.11 05:11:00 -
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To reiterate the point made by Zulupark in WDA's podcast, there are tools in place if one side quickly rushes another so Caldari are not assured of ruling.
Furthermore, if a side does end up capturing a lot of territory quickly, they face the additional problems of trying to keep the new space safe from counter-attack.
The more space you have, the more difficult it is to hold. I think any number of 0.0 alliances would agree with that.
Mitnal
Community Representative
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang |
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HenkieBoy
Enrave
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.11 05:21:00 -
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Edited by: HenkieBoy on 11/06/2008 05:22:02
Minmatar FTW!!! We can interface with every wreck on the field
Oh... I disagree mr CCP dude
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Yatta I
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Posted - 2008.06.11 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Veldya
If it was real faction vs faction with ships limited to ship faction as well it would literally be a blood bath as Caldari EW > All.
Can you picture 10 Blackbirds all fitted with Gallente jammers, would disable a whole Gallente fleet.
just EXACTLY what I plan to do~
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Veldya
If it was real faction vs faction with ships limited to ship faction as well it would literally be a blood bath as Caldari EW > All.
Can you picture 10 Blackbirds all fitted with Gallente jammers, would disable a whole Gallente fleet.
FoF cruise launchers + massive army of drones vs untanked cruisers... hmmmm. Not to mention the Gallente have Minmatar buddies who can dish out EMP damage.
ECM is good but if you plan to ***** it it could end up being your undoing. And anyway, there'd be nothing to stop the Gallente from loading gravimetric jammers themselves... they don't get a range bonus for it but since when are they interested in range? 
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Tortun Nahme
Umbra Synergy
Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:03:00 -
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Minmatar will win, by the simple gact that every ship you blow up, we will just fly the wreck down your astonished gaping maw
Originally by: Cecil Montague
They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Satura
A lot of people are just caldari for the atributes. And they train other races.
Not a huge different in attributes. A few points more in charisma isn't going to kill you.
Typically if you are going to have a character that is going to be around 3+ years then you are likely going to spend more in spaceship command skills than anywhere else so Perception and Willpower are two of your most important stats and Caldari don't corner the market on those stats.
In fact, Minmatar Brutor make the best combat pilots irrespective which race ships you want to fly. Start off with base 9 perception and 7 willpower. Assume you put 3 into Perception and 2 into Willpower for 12/9 and you of course have Rebels which is +3 Perception, +1 Willpower to put you 15/10 before learning...
Add in 5 from basic learning skill, 4 from advanced, +5 from implants and +10% from Learning will give you... 31.9 Perception and 26.4 Willpower. That is going to give you 2706 SP/hour, significant;y better than you will get anywhere else and will significantly make up the minor inconvenience of a slower Learning development time. |
Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme
Minmatar will win, by the simple gact that every ship you blow up, we will just fly the wreck down your astonished gaping maw
If I had to guess I'd say Minmatar probably have the most pew pew oriented players per capita, though I readily admit that's nothing but a guess. |
50freefly
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:13:00 -
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I expected to see one kind of failpost but instead encountered another, more amusing, kind instead.
I am pleasantly surprised, and can say, with confidence, LOL. |
Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:14:00 -
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Since occupancy means nothing, winning and losing is identical. |
50freefly
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:14:00 -
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Also most of the caldari pilots have no earthly idea what they are doing. Minmatar will win. |
Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: Veldya on 11/06/2008 06:20:51
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
To reiterate the point made by Zulupark in WDA's podcast, there are tools in place if one side quickly rushes another so Caldari are not assured of ruling.
Furthermore, if a side does end up capturing a lot of territory quickly, they face the additional problems of trying to keep the new space safe from counter-attack.
The more space you have, the more difficult it is to hold. I think any number of 0.0 alliances would agree with that.
That used to be the case. With cyno jammers and reinforcement you need to massively out-gun the defender. 0.0 warfare is all about wars of attrition, the side that runs out of isk first loses, so the more territory your alliance has the better, not worse.
Not sure what is involved in FW but hope it is nothing like 0.0 for the sake of non-Caldari. |
Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: Veldya
If it was real faction vs faction with ships limited to ship faction as well it would literally be a blood bath as Caldari EW > All.
Can you picture 10 Blackbirds all fitted with Gallente jammers, would disable a whole Gallente fleet.
FoF cruise launchers + massive army of drones vs untanked cruisers... hmmmm. Not to mention the Gallente have Minmatar buddies who can dish out EMP damage.
ECM is good but if you plan to ***** it it could end up being your undoing. And anyway, there'd be nothing to stop the Gallente from loading gravimetric jammers themselves... they don't get a range bonus for it but since when are they interested in range?
What kind of ship are you speaking of?
FOF missiles + massive army of drones?
/me look for any droneship with missile launchers in the Gallente lienup. |
Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:22:00 -
[59]
Originally by: LORD OSMA
Edited by: LORD OSMA on 10/06/2008 23:16:49
As many people will know.. caldari are the highest proportions of player in eve, simple maths would say that the majority of faction warfare players will be caldari pushing the other 3 race's into the corner
caldari are 90% carebear... so easy walkover fore me :D |
FORD ESC0RT
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
quality > quantity
Bunch of noobs in the worst ships in teh game for pvp... raven, drakes, caracals... etc y
the whole caldari line up is garbage anyway. |
Kano Sekor
modro
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:51:00 -
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A faction of e-war has emerged |
Gale Dream
Empire Logistics LTD
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Posted - 2008.06.11 07:05:00 -
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I donĘt get faction warfare, I see no point to it.
Why war when all you get is standings? (What can I do with standings?)
At least in 0.0 you war over space, moons, and outposts
There needs to be an incentive for me to do it and at the moment all I get is useless standings.
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Nexus Kinnon
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.06.11 07:27:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Gale Dream
I donĘt get faction warfare, I see no point to it.
Why war when all you get is standings? (What can I do with standings?)
At least in 0.0 you war over space, moons, and outposts
There needs to be an incentive for me to do it and at the moment all I get is useless standings.
I hear people like to PvP for this thing called "Fun".
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.11 07:30:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
Originally by: Gale Dream
I donĘt get faction warfare, I see no point to it.
Why war when all you get is standings? (What can I do with standings?)
At least in 0.0 you war over space, moons, and outposts
There needs to be an incentive for me to do it and at the moment all I get is useless standings.
I hear people like to PvP for this thing called "Fun".
this.... but most carebears dont understand that PvP is "fun" :P
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Yes... this is my main.
Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Kurt Gergard
Federal European Industry Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.06.11 08:01:00 -
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You realy don't stand a chance. Not only we have superior numbers but we are underestimated :D The caldari ships are great. Yes we need tacklers but caldari roxx at gang warfare. We will snipe you to death with our rail ships jam you to hell with ECM and defeat you in close quarters with torps and blasters (yes caldari with blasters do kich a$$). Our ships are cheap we can do most of the stuff with t1 ships. 10 scorpions anyone? :D
"No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke |
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