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LtCol Killgore	Posted - 2008.06.11 12:54:00 - [1] Greetings all, I'm one of those kinda lucky mofo's with lots of free time at work, and no-one looking over his sholder. Basically, I play eve sometimes at work, no pwnin graphics card, so usually just care bear stuff. BUT, I've just been told that internet activity will be monitored at my work from now on. Does anyone know what eve would show up as on a server log? Is it just an address made outta numbers, or would it actually say 'eve-online'?? If it's numbers I get away with it, if not i'm gonna have to invent a fake courier company called Eve to blag it to my boss's and hope CCP don't sue me :)
LtCol Killgore	Posted - 2008.06.11 12:54:00 - [2] Greetings all, I'm one of those kinda lucky mofo's with lots of free time at work, and no-one looking over his sholder. Basically, I play eve sometimes at work, no pwnin graphics card, so usually just care bear stuff. BUT, I've just been told that internet activity will be monitored at my work from now on. Does anyone know what eve would show up as on a server log? Is it just an address made outta numbers, or would it actually say 'eve-online'?? If it's numbers I get away with it, if not i'm gonna have to invent a fake courier company called Eve to blag it to my boss's and hope CCP don't sue me :)
Neth'Rae Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.11 12:56:00 - [3] rofl.. Request signatures at EVE-GFX
Neth'Rae Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.11 12:56:00 - [4] rofl..
Agent Li CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.06.11 12:57:00 - [5] In general, if you're at work, you should be working. Unless you don't want to work there anymore. Most companies have some sort of detection software that monitors activity. Keep in mind that just because you haven't been caught yet, doesn't mean they don't know you're fooling around on company time, using company bandwidth. The network guys will know what's sapping the bandwidth, and which PC and which external IP is the culprit. Most places won't do or say anything until it's time for a reduction in staff - then you'll be the first to go. If the network people are halfway conscious, they'll know what you're doing. It isn't hard to see, and it isn't hard to figure out.
Gwenvahar	Posted - 2008.06.11 12:59:00 - [6] Originally by: LtCol Killgore Greetings all, I'm one of those kinda lucky mofo's with lots of free time at work, and no-one looking over his sholder. Basically, I play eve sometimes at work, no pwnin graphics card, so usually just care bear stuff. BUT, I've just been told that internet activity will be monitored at my work from now on. Does anyone know what eve would show up as on a server log? Is it just an address made outta numbers, or would it actually say 'eve-online'?? If it's numbers I get away with it, if not i'm gonna have to invent a fake courier company called Eve to blag it to my boss's and hope CCP don't sue me :) Umm it won't matter by the log.. A good net watchdog will see how much traffic is coming through your system and investigate. Most serious net sniffers will see what 'Kind' of packets you are receiving, and data packets from MMO's are usually unique in some way.. UDP packets I think used to be the common thing from MMO's but I haven't dealt with such issues in a long long time so I cant say for sure. I can say, don't play MMO's at work unless you have permission, its to easy to loose a job these days and real hard to find new ones.
Zulu Six State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Neth'Rae rofl.. I am Havohej's alt. I would post with my main, but it's banned vOv
Valan The Fated Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:09:00 - [8] Usually every week we get a top ten user report or site report and we check those out. If you don't appear in there you'll not get caught unless they check you specifically. If I see an IP as opposed to a URL I'll check the owner of the IP and then ban from there. Usually I'll request our external filter provider to recat a site if it's not correct and then it'll be automatically banned using our standard policy. I love that because it'll be suddenly banned in all companies that use that filter. For instance eve-online is categorised by Smartfilter as Games. We don't ban the games category as standard hence I'm here typing. However, we only allow port 80 out as standard anyway to get EVE to work here I would have to request port 26000 (or whatever it is) to be opened. They'll be keen first off and then slack off. We don't sack people for it becuase most of them are traders earning millions for the company if it's a peon their feet won't touch the floor and rightly so. If you have time to play games you're not required :) /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Micheal Dietrich Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:18:00 - [9] I dont know about some people. I like eve, but I like my job even more.
Jakke Logan F Off And Die	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:20:00 - [10] I get away with it because I am the IT manager and in charge of monitoring the network :)

Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Valan Usually every week we get a top ten user report or site report and we check those out. If you don't appear in there you'll not get caught unless they check you specifically. If I see an IP as opposed to a URL I'll check the owner of the IP and then ban from there. Usually I'll request our external filter provider to recat a site if it's not correct and then it'll be automatically banned using our standard policy. I love that because it'll be suddenly banned in all companies that use that filter. For instance eve-online is categorised by Smartfilter as Games. We don't ban the games category as standard hence I'm here typing. However, we only allow port 80 out as standard anyway to get EVE to work here I would have to request port 26000 (or whatever it is) to be opened. They'll be keen first off and then slack off. We don't sack people for it becuase most of them are traders earning millions for the company if it's a peon their feet won't touch the floor and rightly so. If you have time to play games you're not required :) What is the latin term for the peon? As opposed to the homo sapiens sapiens that I must think is referred to as 'people'. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Echo Vector The Wild Bunch	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:23:00 - [12] I'm the network engineer at my joint, and trust me when I tell you......any network engineer worth a sideways glance will know exactly what machine is going where "out there" at any given point in time..........and if they have gear like I have, can produce a paper trail going back in time ( in my case 365 days ) of every IP address you've visited, every filename you've seen, etc. et al, ad nauseum. All that being said, I play EvE at work..........it's MY network.......hahahahahaha! It's good to be the king..............
Liquid Truth Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:24:00 - [13] I work in our IT department and I know we don't have any monitoring software running, so I'm ok to play Eve whilst at work
RaTTuS BIG	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:29:00 - [14] /me is IT here, it shows up as port 26000 to ip 87.237.38.200, but low bandwidth, so if your OK to play at lunch you'll be fine - otherwise it is a no-no
Slanty McGarglefist	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:32:00 - [15] Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 11/06/2008 13:32:34 Well to get away with it at work make sure she doesn't moan or make too many noises during.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Ixion Defence Systems	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:36:00 - [16] There is no need for them to start searching for IPs and DNS resolutions of these IPs. Layer 4 gives enough information on what you are doing there. Your port number that is. The alternative port that is provided by CCP is more shameful to use.
Anaalys Fluuterby	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:39:00 - [17] If it is within your job description use a SSH tunnel. It will hide from most monitors as legitimate. You can even run the SSH on like port 21 and claim you were updating a client's website for them... Otherwise you can use like Ultravnc to control a remote computer. You only get about 2 fps but its fine for things like changing skills, working the market or mining. Less bandwidth used, less likely to be seen. Again you can set the remote machine to run the VNC server on something like port 80 and it will slip through most detections. Your work doesn't seem that spastic about it so you can probably get away with either of these. I control our firewalls, but only bypass to alter skills (I'm at work, I should be working).
Slanty McGarglefist	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:41:00 - [18] What we need here is the ability to change skills via the EVE website. All problems would go away.
Jakke Logan F Off And Die	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist What we need here is the ability to change skills via the EVE website. All problems would go away. Yep, I wouldn't need to log into the client at work if I could do that.
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:44:00 - [20] Originally by: Jakke Logan I get away with it because I am the IT manager and in charge of monitoring the network :) same here :P quite abit of free time also for me at work... so i play eve sometimes at work also :P


CCP SessionChange	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:47:00 - [21] I play eve from work too

Slanty McGarglefist	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:48:00 - [22] Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 11/06/2008 13:49:04 Originally by: CCP SessionChange I play eve from work too You don't say? So tell us SessionChange, how come we lack the ability to change skills via the website? It can be restricted to one time per hour to avoid flooding and reserved for paying customers only. How about it?
Estel Arador	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist how come we lack the ability to change skills via the website? They want you to play the game, not farm characters using your browser.
Slanty McGarglefist University of Caille	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist how come we lack the ability to change skills via the website? They want you to play the game, not farm characters using your browser. Eh I'll play the game when I get home from work. I want to change skills now!
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:10:00 - [25] I work at a small company now, and have been at large ones before where I played Eve. Yes, being in IT helped: I'd watch my usage on the 'top ten' lists, etc and purge the data. I'd actually suggest another route: Get yourself an AirCard and use it to connect to Eve. That way all the traffic goes out thru the card, and IT don't even know it exists. And Yes, You can and probably should be fired for playing at work.
MrTripps Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:11:00 - [26] Back when I first started playing I tried playing a bit during slow times at work. I figured I could at least move my shiny new thorax from one system to another (this was before WTZ). I had just gotten the ability to use MWD, so I was sure it was safe. As soon as I get to the low sec part of the trip someone came into my office and wanted to talk. At the same time gate campers started blasting away my thorax. I had to conceal my horror and talk about printers as the ship went into structure and I found myself in a pod. Doh!
Plumpy McPudding Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:13:00 - [27] Edited by: Plumpy McPudding on 11/06/2008 14:12:49 Originally by: MrTripps Back when I first started playing I tried playing a bit during slow times at work. I figured I could at least move my shiny new thorax from one system to another (this was before WTZ). I had just gotten the ability to use MWD, so I was sure it was safe. As soon as I get to the low sec part of the trip someone came into my office and wanted to talk. At the same time gate campers started blasting away my thorax. I had to conceal my horror and talk about printers as the ship went into structure and I found myself in a pod. Doh! Moral of the story; don't play EVE drunk.
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:14:00 - [28] Like so many others have said, it helps being the IT manager. If you are not, try with a bribe.
Reacz Empirius Enigmus Navy	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:18:00 - [29] Basically, if you're in IT you'll get away with this. Always funny to tell off the Marketing/Accounts/Production people for using too much bandwidth for BBC news while your playing EVE or watching YouTube. Not that I've ever done anything like that myself...
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:20:00 - [30] Originally by: Inertial Like so many others have said, it helps being the IT manager. If you are not, try with a bribe. This actually. IT managers are eminently corruptible so find out where yours drinks and get talking. But if you discover he's the one who ganked you last week don't let it show. ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag

Valan The Fated Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:22:00 - [31] Originally by: Wendat Huron What is the latin term for the peon? As opposed to the homo sapiens sapiens that I must think is referred to as 'people'. I heard it referred to in Roman terms basically meaning peasant. Just a quick google confirms what I was aiming for :) 1. An unskilled laborer or farm worker of Latin America or the southwest United States. Such a worker bound in servitude to a landlord creditor. 2. A menial worker; a drudge. 3. also (pyn) In India and other parts of South and Southeast Asia, a person of menial position, especially a messenger, servant, or foot soldier. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:29:00 - [32] Edited by: Pteranodon on 11/06/2008 14:30:08 Originally by: CCP SessionChange I play eve from work too I should be working but hey I'm lost in space.
coo'kaktaa	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:37:00 - [33] okay... here's what you do and you'll be fine. first of all, you don't want to just run the eve client all day on a work computer. the data traffic you'll generate will certainly be easily noticed by any network admin in the company. however, you can get away with loading eve and logging in quickly and updating your training skill for example, then log off real fast. if you're in and out in a minute or so you will have no problem at all. your web browser or outlook / email client will generate more traffic than eve in this case. you might also want to keep your time on the eve forum down.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:37:00 - [34] Edited by: Qui Shon on 11/06/2008 14:38:08 Originally by: Wendat Huron What is the latin term for the peon? As opposed to the homo sapiens sapiens that I must think is referred to as 'people'. Plebeius, plebs for short Sort of, at least.
Slanty McGarglefist University of Caille	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:40:00 - [35] Originally by: coo'kaktaa you might also want to keep your time on the eve forum down. Oh **. __________________________________________________ Originally by:** CCP Wrangler No Doh!
Micheal Dietrich Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:43:00 - [36] I don't the forums are as big a deal. I hit up eve-o along with multiple other sights all day at work (like right now). Forums in my opinion require far less attention than being in the game itself.
Faye Valerii Exeunt Omnes	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:50:00 - [37] Depends on how motivated your network admin is and how large your organisation. Eve will just show up as an ip address and the packets will probably fall into some non-descript udp category. If your organisation is large, your run-of-the-mill network admin will ignore anything that generates little traffic. Eve is pretty light on bandwidth so, again, depending on what else goes on at your workplace, you may or may not get noticed. It also depends on the monitoring tools used ... If your network admin is using a Packeteer, you're pretty much ****** in the ass : )
Echo Vector The Wild Bunch	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Faye Valerii .........It also depends on the monitoring tools used ... If your network admin is using a Packeteer, you're pretty much ****** in the ass : ) Redundant 3500's here...........peeps dont SNEEZE around me network without me knowing about it...........heeheehee..........and, for what it's worth, I rarely "block" anything...........I'll just throttle it back so bad that it hurts, then wait to see if the abuser has the gonads to complain that their youtube is slow...........MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yes, I am an Ass.......heeheehee
coo'kaktaa	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:55:00 - [39] Faye Valerii you look like a twin, sister, or close relative...
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.11 14:59:00 - [40] Originally by: CCP SessionChange I play eve from work too i will report you! posting at work Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.

Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.11 15:24:00 - [41] Originally by: Jakke Logan I get away with it because I am the IT manager and in charge of monitoring the network :) This... :) Anywhere, Anytime.
LtCol Killgore	Posted - 2008.06.11 15:44:00 - [42] Thanks for the replies peeps, it's good to know it's just an ip address. I've made a note of some of the technical ways suggested to get around it, but to be honest, it mostly made my brain hurt. The company I work for is a telecoms one, and my internet connection goes through the same server they use to pre-stage loadsa hardware. Fortunately the connection is huge so i'm lucky enough to not have to worry about getting noticed for bandwidth. Also random ports/ip addresses are all good, cos the engineers are always running test networks, or remotely messing around with other peoples! It seems all they did was put in a server proxy for internet explorer. I couldn't even go to this wep-page. Then I remebered i had mozilla installed :) Seems my I.T guy is a fake geek cos he didnt even know what firefox was, and gave me a big blank look when i asked if java was being restricted at all. He is fat and has no love-life, so 2 outta 3 aint bad :) Now, back to damaging my work ethic...
Lo3d3R The Solvay Conference	Posted - 2008.06.11 15:50:00 - [43] Originally by: LtCol Killgore Thanks for the replies peeps, it's good to know it's just an ip address. I've made a note of some of the technical ways suggested to get around it, but to be honest, it mostly made my brain hurt. The company I work for is a telecoms one, and my internet connection goes through the same server they use to pre-stage loadsa hardware. Fortunately the connection is huge so i'm lucky enough to not have to worry about getting noticed for bandwidth. Also random ports/ip addresses are all good, cos the engineers are always running test networks, or remotely messing around with other peoples! It seems all they did was put in a server proxy for internet explorer. I couldn't even go to this wep-page. Then I remebered i had mozilla installed :) Seems my I.T guy is a fake geek cos he didnt even know what firefox was, and gave me a big blank look when i asked if java was being restricted at all. He is fat and has no love-life, so 2 outta 3 aint bad :) Now, back to damaging my work ethic... LOL !!! haha, your naughty!
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2008.06.11 15:56:00 - [44] If your that desperate to play eve at work Laptop, wireless broadband card - play eve without ever using your companies intranet and thus not show up on any network report?
Durzel	Posted - 2008.06.11 16:14:00 - [45] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist how come we lack the ability to change skills via the website? They want you to play the game, not farm characters using your browser. Let's be honest other than the convenience factor there's no difference between someone having to log onto the game for 3 minutes just to switch a skill and someone doing it on the website. CCP could disable skill-switching for any account that isn't currently subscribed so there literally wouldn't be any issue at all.
Celgone Rahl Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.06.11 16:25:00 - [46] Being Self-Employed - Priceless
Faye Valerii Exeunt Omnes	Posted - 2008.06.11 16:32:00 - [47] Originally by: Echo Vector Originally by: Faye Valerii .........It also depends on the monitoring tools used ... If your network admin is using a Packeteer, you're pretty much ****** in the ass : ) Redundant 3500's here...........peeps dont SNEEZE around me network without me knowing about it...........heeheehee..........and, for what it's worth, I rarely "block" anything...........I'll just throttle it back so bad that it hurts, then wait to see if the abuser has the gonads to complain that their youtube is slow...........MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yes, I am an Ass.......heeheehee A true BOFH : )
Stork DK Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.06.11 16:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Celgone Rahl Being Self-Employed - Priceless How do you get anything done?... Ever ? Also in the IT department :) Tho using out old cobber connection to get around the router :D ___________ - Stork DK
Bleeshtar	Posted - 2008.06.11 16:36:00 - [49] Kids these days... Get back to work you slacker!! Oh wait the boss is back...
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2008.06.11 16:53:00 - [50] my boss got me a better computer to play eve on at work. he's a gem.

Thor	Posted - 2008.06.11 17:00:00 - [51] Edited by: Thor on 11/06/2008 17:01:19 Originally by: Jakke Logan I get away with it because I am the IT manager and in charge of monitoring the network :) lol, me too. Works out great :) By the way, Eve uses barely any bandwidth.
Mos Superum Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.06.11 17:06:00 - [52] Worst part of logging in at work to change a skill (on free wireless) is forgetting to mute the sound on my laptop. When that EVE b*tch belts out "CONNECTING... [space-like woosh!]", people notice. Mos
VinkNut Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.11 17:16:00 - [53] lol you dont even need to be a IT boffin to work out what the IP address belongs to also. Type 87.237.38.200 In google, see what comes up lol
Kneebone	Posted - 2008.06.11 17:22:00 - [54] Originally by: Jakke Logan I get away with it because I am the IT manager and in charge of monitoring the network :) QFT
Rachael Ray	Posted - 2008.06.11 18:33:00 - [55] I currently work in a lab on a university and there are often periods of downtime where i would just watch videos on youtube to pass the time. The university has a large network infrastructure with thousands of different wireless networks setup by many different labs. I am the person in charge of one wireless network in my lab. Would it be better to mask my internet activity by using this wireless network? I am currently using a RJ45 connected directly to the wall.


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