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Sin Fae
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Fae on 12/06/2008 19:26:22
This is what I told youngsters (Eve wise) when they complained they were broke and can't PvP: If you can fly a shuttle, and a crappy hauler you can PvP on day one.
Stealing Ore in a shuttle and a badger
Also, PvP is not limited to blowing someone up, there is market PvP, in the video it is theiving PvP, etc etc. There are lots of dimensions of PvP in Eve. Bottom line is to do that which makes you happy!
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Phaige
Reaver Construction Services
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Atlas Elestra
Edited by: Atlas Elestra on 12/06/2008 15:06:22
Say your trying EVE and are unable to convince your friends to..It's not that easy to get in a frigate group go to low sec and hunt. I think by adding a feature that can encourage more of it would be great.
Who says you needa group to go pvp/piraty in low sec? Sure it help is out by leaps and bounds, but its not 100% necessary. I started out (and still am ususally) a miner by trade. I can't tell you the number of times that I've taken frigates after ore theives, or had ppl try to ransom/blow up my mining fleets. I remember one instance where a guy kept bumping me so hard that I had to pay him a ransom just so I could go dock up in frustrated shame 
Believe me when I say, even from the onset, a person of imagination can really do quite a lot solo, they just have to be picky.
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TimMc
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.06.12 21:17:00 -
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WAH WAH I CANNOT SOLO KILL A 5 YEAR OLD PLAYER AFTER A MONTH OF PLAYING
Seriously dude if that is your problem then go play a FPS, this is an RPG with RPG stats that mean older players will always been at a slight advantage. Make up for it by not solo'ing, go with a few friends. Solo is always still possible if you are clever and pick your fights well. |
Archon T'orn
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Posted - 2008.06.12 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
You can fit a combat frigate within 3 days of starting eve(somebodys sure to flame me and say it's 2 days  )
Take it out go shoot somebody and you are solo pvping
n00b, I can so haxorz my way into a cruiser wiff bonuses to my Strength and Dexterity in eleventy-seven minutes.
Seriously, tho. Roguehalo's right on the point. |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.12 22:14:00 -
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PvP zones which limit you to certain sizes of ships...
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Atlas Elestra
Titan Mining LLC
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:03:00 -
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The reason behind it is not because I think a new player cant' beat a vet, nor because I think there is no PvP for a new player.
It's more that having an a bunny Slope of PvP can help the newwer players learn to PvP better. It will improve thier learning curve and thier enjoyment level. Both are good things for vet players who don't even ever run on the Bunny Hill because then the Game in general can be healthier.
More new players, New players coming at you with more skill should be more fun.
The thing is just going to low sec and randomly PvPing as fun as it sounds is not without consequences. And I'm not talking about consequences to me, I'm talking about my Corporation members. Say I tick someone off who's in a Corp that will then Wardec us.
I'm not in my corp for the short term hopping around like an MMO newb. We have long term goals and plans, and doing something short sighted can mess those up.
Anyway thanks for all the Feedback. The flaming wasn't too bad although I don't think any of it was constructive.
ôSalvage is as much an art as building the ship itself. We take rubble and make rigs, now that takes Talent.ö |
Gridwalker
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:14:00 -
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One of the issues is the lack of willingness to discover the options. For example, there are corporations such as EVE Academy dedicated to teaching new players PvP in a "safe" and controlled environment.
A little hunting around will find other corporations that don't mind training dedicated new members.
The facilities exist in EvE for newbie PvP and training, but they are all player-run. Some people just want an "official" solution, which is a real shame because the quality of training they would get from a player-run organization is bound to be infinitely superior.
Then there is the fear factor. Training with new friends and corp mates in a friendly environment can go a long way to ease the PvP fear factor.
Just my two isk.
-Grid
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:53:00 -
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Skim skim skim...
"...battlegrounds..."
NO!
EVE has NO instances. This is not the place nor reason to start them.
Originally by: Amoxin
My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Atlas Elestra
Titan Mining LLC
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Atomos Darksun
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EVE has NO instances. This is not the place nor reason to start them.
Uh yes it does. Missions generate areas that are only accessible via Acceleration gates, and some early missions even have gates that limit the type of ship that can gate thru them.
DED's are sort of limited instances in that there is a delay to entering some of them when you need a passcode key thingy.
I'm on the mailing list for Agony Unleashed's Classes but they are under great demand. <shrug> I'll figure something out, but having an easily accessable game mechanic to me is a good thing.
ôSalvage is as much an art as building the ship itself. We take rubble and make rigs, now that takes Talent.ö |
Arkios Odymei
Incarnation of Evil
Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Arkios Odymei on 14/06/2008 00:12:53
Originally by: Atlas Elestra
It's more that having an a bunny Slope of PvP can help the newwer players learn to PvP better. It will improve thier learning curve and thier enjoyment level. Both are good things for vet players who don't even ever run on the Bunny Hill because then the Game in general can be healthier.
More new players, New players coming at you with more skill should be more fun.
The thing is just going to low sec and randomly PvPing as fun as it sounds is not without consequences. And I'm not talking about consequences to me, I'm talking about my Corporation members. Say I tick someone off who's in a Corp that will then Wardec us.
Anyway thanks for all the Feedback. The flaming wasn't too bad although I don't think any of it was constructive.
1: Faction warefare has different level battle areas. The lowest level only allows T1 Frigates and Destroyers to fight. Lvl 2 adds T1 cruisers and T2 frigates. 3 adds BC's and T2 cruisers. In 4 anything goes. I believe that that lvl 1 area is as "bunny slope" as you can get... T1 Frigs and Dessies only for crying out loud! You can be 80% maxed for those ships in like 2 weeks worth of training and get max skills for those in a little over a month.
2: The reason there is no Solo PvP is because in Eve, you can be the best damn pilot out there, but If you run into a group of emenies, you are usualy toast. If you roll with friends, You increase your survivability by alot. IE- solo awesome veteran character vs 10 man lower Sp / skilled gate camp is still 10-to-1 odds that you are pretty much boned... where as if there were 3-4 of you and you worked well as a team, all of a sudden that "Deathtrap" becaomes a great fight. Nothing is better than victory in an out numbered situation, and 3-to-1 is definitaly do-able. Skill points dont matter as much as personal skill/knowledge and the ability to function as a good team (Not to say that skill points dont matter at all...).
3: Eve is about consequences. Everything you do in this game can come back to haunt you. Thats the point. You name is your identity, one which cannot be changed, and that can always be tracked. If you cross ppl, stab ppl in the back, go back on your word, piss off the wrong person... be ready for revenge, because in Eve it is always possible. The same holds true for you too; If you feel crossed by some one, and are unable to get the revenge you deserve at this time, Write their name down. I know several ppl who took note of the first person that blew up there ship / pod, and have eventualy tracked them down to get revenge months (if not years) later. In an old corp, Ive personaly gone to war because an ex-corpmate called in a favor. There were some folks harassing him when was running a small scale mining operation. He and his current corp had almost no actual combat abilities, but he knew me and a few corpies who started a pirate corp and remained in close contact with us. So after getting harassed for a bit, he called us in and we were happy to oblige! ... Consequences. If he hadnt know us or stayed on good terms, we wouldnt be there to back him up. Likewise, had that group not harassed him, they wouldnt have been hunted down by us.
4: If you want to do something, make sure you are in a group with like minded individuals. Also, if your goals are so important, Dont jepardize them.
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Arkios Odymei
Incarnation of Evil
Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Atlas Elestra
Uh yes it does. Missions generate areas that are only accessible via Acceleration gates, and some early missions even have gates that limit the type of ship that can gate thru them.
DED's are sort of limited instances in that there is a delay to entering some of them when you need a passcode key thingy.
You obviously havent been probed down yet. I have probed mission runners and killed them in their missions. They are not instances, as the term instance refers to the fact that each individual has their own area which doesnt allow others to join. That does not exist in Eve. Where ever you are, rest assured that is someone wanted to, they can get to you.
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Kyra Felann
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kyra Felann on 14/06/2008 00:58:26
Hey, guys, I think we should be able to enlist in a militia for our race and then fight against our race's enemies that enlist in their race's militias. What do you all think? They could call it "faction warfare".
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Gridwalker
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Posted - 2008.06.14 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
Edited by: Kyra Felann on 14/06/2008 00:58:26
Hey, guys, I think we should be able to enlist in a militia for our race and then fight against our race's enemies that enlist in their race's militias. What do you all think? They could call it "faction warfare".
I don't think it is a good idea at all, if you ask me, and I don't think you understand the spirit of EVE. Enlisting in a militia sounds a lot like a "PvP enabled" flag, which is against everything EVE stands for! How about making it so we can kill people who merely have low standings with whatever faction we hold high standings with?
Would be a lot more simple that way, and is much more in line with the "spirit" of EVE.
Unless, of course, these "militia" things would force you to join an NPC organization. That would be awesome! 
-Grid
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.14 01:45:00 -
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I skipped paragraphs 1-5, do i get a prize? LIke a taco or something??
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Atlas Elestra
Titan Mining LLC
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Posted - 2008.06.14 12:40:00 -
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Mmmm I could use a taco....
I'm not looking for Solo PvP I'm looking for a place an individual can basically go and know that they will be able to join a Pick up Fleet and do some PvP. Pick up Fleets are few and far between in EVE.
Factional Warfare comes close, but I can't do that without leaving my corporation.
ôSalvage is as much an art as building the ship itself. We take rubble and make rigs, now that takes Talent.ö |
Ka Jolo
Ministry of Destruction
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.15 07:14:00 -
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Low-skillpoint pilots in T1 frigates can beat exhumers (worth 100 x a T1 frigate), or several mining barges, or cruisers, or even battlecruisers, interceptors, assault frigates, or battleships that are flown by ill-advised pilots. They can and do kill these ships solo. Proof.
As a low-skillpoint cruiser pilot (less than three months' experience), I once killed an assault frigate, an interceptor, and two cruisers, and ran off a third cruiser, holding the field, in a single battle--all by myself. Proof.
Suggest what you want, but don't premise your argument by denigrating low-SP T1 frigate or cruiser solo PvP. Rather, denigrate EVE players that don't inform themselves as to their ship's capabilities, useful skills, or winning tactics and strategy.
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Blackjack OMalley
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.15 08:08:00 -
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T1 Frigate gangs do just fine in FW. In fact, FW has, so far, been a pretty good thing. I say it ain't broke, so don't try to fix it.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.15 08:33:00 -
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Quote:
The idea is simple, Newbie Battle grounds in which you limit the ability to enter by set critera.
PLAY Factional warfare!
THey have complexes where only frigates can get in. ONLY FRIGATES AND DESTORYERS. This means a new players is at the same level field.
also no pick up gangs? PLAY FACTIONAL WARFARE. eve now has pick up gangs EVERYWHERE.
Log in, type "forming fleet for defense x up" or "forming fleet for offense x up"
and within 2 mins you'll have a gang. now go out into space with 5-10 frigates, scan down systems, find complex and go to complex.
If your defending you don't even fight any NPCs you just have to hold the point for 10 mins.
NOw the idea is that any warring ammar fleet jumps in they will see you in system and they will see the plex in local. Thus they will attack youu becuase they want the point. However ONLY FRIGATES AND DESTORYERS CAN GET IN. thus you'll have a even fight on your hands unless they don't have any small ships and which case they won't come in :P
pick up gangs are easy and you can join on day one.
There is a good reason trial accounts aren't allowed into FW, they would shift the power far to much far to quickly. Frigates are NEEDED TO WIN. hell I fly a frigate and I have 30 million sp, SP means NOTHING in eve.
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Bald Rikk
The Legendary Fleet
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Posted - 2008.06.15 08:37:00 -
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Two words
Noob Mercs
Find em. Join em. PVP.
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