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Atlas Elestra
Titan Mining LLC
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:41:00 -
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First I'm gonna give some background on my experience with EVE and MMOs. Skip the second Paragraph if you don't care about this. Then I'll talk about the percieved weakness in EVE, skip the third paragraph if you don't care about that. Then I'll talk about my Idea and hopeful solution. Any constructive critisim is appreciated.
Ok so I've been playing MMO's since EQ. I beta'd SWG and was very involved and Active in that Game. Since then I've played alot of them. Initially I was a pure Role Player, since then I've gotten into PvP aspects of games as my local gaming group got thier first taste of blood in SWG and have been craving it ever since. (Most Carebears do turn into PvPers after they taste blood for the first time) Most recently I've gotten into EVE after doing a trial as my SWG Community has decided to get a basis in Eve in preparation for Ambulation. I love the complexity of EVE and even with AoC coming out shortly after I started EVE I find myself playing EVE much more often. The critisism that I heard from friends playing AoC that have tried Eve was that it just took to long to train skills so that they could play the part of the game they wanted to.
While we have realized that with the addional skills new Characters are given you can reach the basic ability faster I think it's still a valid complaint. Especially when it comes to PvP. There really isn't any Solo PvP unless your a vet with a bunch of SP and some superior Ship all fitted out, that a new player can't really afford much less piolet. So what I think EVE needs and looking at structure I think it can be implemented with minimal coding (although realistically I don't really know that having not seen thier code, nor being a good coder).
The idea is simple, Newbie Battle grounds in which you limit the ability to enter by set critera. That could be type of ship or even total SP of the piolet. Make the rewards of controlling the area something a new player would want. Be it access to a resource or even just a temporary bonus. Perhaps the best would be a faction hit. The newbie players can choose a flag (as in a faction, Caldari, Minmatar or purhaps by Corporation faction Lai Dai etc..) to enter the area under, hence giving them automatic Allies and Enemies. All those flying under the same flag would be put in the same Fleet, hence they could chat together to coordinate the battle etc.. The reason for the auto grouping is to allow the New players to not have to go thru the process of fiding people to fly with. While it's true you wouldn't get to choose your wingman it would be a learning experience. Besides conscription and volunteer armies are part of it.
I'm hopeful it could add another dynamic to EVE as well as give newbies a taste of PvP and improve thier skills against players of comperable experience. While they won't be fighting for thier own piece of 0.0 or protection of thier POS. They would be fighting for faction, and for fun. Knowing that more complex battles and such are down the road....
ôSalvage is as much an art as building the ship itself. We take rubble and make rigs, now that takes Talent.ö |
Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:44:00 -
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*hands atlas a flameshield and wishes him good luck*
sucky idea btw. Every noob can do pvp in FW. Every fleet i have been in had t1 frigs. They are decent enough for scouting, and it is also handy when you run into lvl 1 complex you want get caldari scum out. And they dont need to worry about being primary
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Modrak Vseth
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Atlas Elestra
While we have realized that with the addional skills new Characters are given you can reach the basic ability faster I think it's still a valid complaint. Especially when it comes to PvP. There really isn't any Solo PvP unless your a vet with a bunch of SP and some superior Ship all fitted out, that a new player can't really afford much less piolet.
Wrong. ~13M SP, I've been pirating, largely solo, since I had 2M SP. I'm decently successful (no superman, but I do alright and I have a ton of fun). The problem isn't that newbies "can't" solo or PvP, it's that they carry over the mentalities from the other MMOs that they play and "think" they can't solo or PvP. Eve is very well balanced in power towards tactics/numbers. On Zek in EQ, 20 level 10s attacking a level 70 would get squished in a matter of seconds. In Eve, 10 Rifters attacking a Dominix actually have a reasonably good chance of winning.
tl;dr version: Don't think, just do.
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Mikamir
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:50:00 -
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Did I miss something here? Isn't the latest patch/content almost exactly what you are asking? Maybe you need to go try it out and then report back.
The more you know...the more you know you don't know! |
Matrixcvd
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:52:00 -
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its not eve, 1 universe, 1 set of rules, you undock, you could die, get use to it, this isn't a blizzard MMO this is a CCP MMO and crushing defeat for someone 1 week in the game is par for the course. get use to it or find something moar tame to play
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Neermark
JotunHeim Hird
X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:09:00 -
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Ummm did you even play Eve the last couple of days ? FW has almost all those features you are asking for. Think before you post, or risk getting flamed.... Also Eve is not a singleplayer or a twoplayer game, (its at multiplayer).... |
Atlas Elestra
Titan Mining LLC
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:26:00 -
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I haven't entered a FW Complex for a couple of reasons. But mostly they would give me faction I don't care about. Racial faction doesnt' mean much when your in a Multi-Racial corporation. I'd rather fight for Lai Dai faction...but they also don't force you into a fleet nor do they limit the level/ship of the participant. Those are pretty key in making it a more competive place for a new player to learn.
To:Furb Killer - thanks for the shield I have prety thick skin when it comes to forums.
To:Modrak Vseth - When you were at 2M SP and you pirated solo what Ship did you use? I know 10 rifters can take a Dominix, but What can one Cruiser do?
I realize it's a team game but soemtimes your corp isn't on, or isn't that big. So I think by making a way for people to get others to play with easier is a good thing.
ôSalvage is as much an art as building the ship itself. We take rubble and make rigs, now that takes Talent.ö |
Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:29:00 -
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No need to enter complexes in FW. A the moment the majority of the fleets i have been in completely concentraded on taking out caldari real ships (no npc ships). And a few times some frigs were dispatched to take a plex, but usually the fleet in total concentrated on pvp at gates/stations.
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Atlas Elestra
Titan Mining LLC
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:37:00 -
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However i would have to leave my corporation in order to enter Factional Warfare unless my corp decides to enter it. Considering how young we are and that we have multiple Races in the corp. It makes no sense.
The Factional Warfare is not AT all like what I'm proposing. In FW you can feel the consequences of it everywhere in the Universe. To participate you basically volunteer for Duty. I'm looking at more a mercanary type role where you agree to help fight a battle (which takes place in the complex).
The only similarity is that FW allows you another way to gain faction in the Four Races. That's it. It's not what I had in mind.
ôSalvage is as much an art as building the ship itself. We take rubble and make rigs, now that takes Talent.ö |
Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:38:00 -
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There is such a place that you desire, where you can PvP with no worries. Most people here call it Sisi but that is just cause they can't spell singulir.., singelur.., singularity.
Luckily I had the url to copy from
http://www.eve-online.com/patches/patches.asp?s=singularity
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Modrak Vseth
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Atlas Elestra
To:Modrak Vseth - When you were at 2M SP and you pirated solo what Ship did you use? I know 10 rifters can take a Dominix, but What can one Cruiser do?
I killed a Cyclone (BC) with a Wolf (AF) solo. I've also killed a few drone cruisers in a Wolf, which is tough as hell. You can't expect to always be able to solo large targets with small ships. That's just dumb. But if you pick your targets well, you'll be able to some amazing fights and very nice kills.
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Ordon Gundar
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:44:00 -
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To the OP: Good idea.
I had a similar idea a while back, but it concerned "duelling" areas in Hisec. I suggested that two players, or two groups of players, in mutual agreement, should be able to agree to a duel. The criteria can be set at the start (for example, whether a player is beaten when they reach structure, or whether you want to enable ship destruction) and the whole party is then given a deadspace encounter location to warp to, and the duel starts. The kills would not count towards anything, as the idea is to either train PvP skills, or to settle smack talkers bigging up their skills.
In relation to RP, are you telling me that with all that empty space in the Universe, there wouldnt be areas put aside for combat practice. You could even give it RP kudos by having CONCORD run the whole thing, for the purpose of training "self-defence" as a way of reducing the pressure of law enforcement on them.
At the moment, the only way to duel is to arrange a can flip, and that is not ideal by any means.
Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S) |
Resamo
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:50:00 -
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When i started i tried to pvp on day 3 of my trial account... and it actuall went well and was lots of fun.
4x of us new to the game in condors (because they were so fast must be the best frigate) went running around low sec and into 0.0 sure we died but we did kill a few unsuspecting ships with 4x 3 day old characters...
Perhpas this was because it was our first MMOG and we had no preconcived notions that people in game for longer then us would insta kill us or perhaps it was becacause the game was differnt 3-4 years ago i dont know.
But honestly fw is as close as you are going to get to what you want... this is EVE there wont be any concentual combat areas or sp caps on who you can attack or any such nonsense...
What is great about eve is that from a 1 day old character to a 5 year old character everyone can pvp and be usefull in a large gang... Just being in a frig with a warp disruptor and all of the sudden you are a usefull and important part of the fleet.
What you have to look past is get the kill mails, to me at least helping my gang/fleet get a kill is almost as rewarding as getting the kill mail (almost everyone loves getting the final blow in)... and getting killed because again from a day old character to a 5 year old one you are going to get killed and podded, hell you might be more likely to get killed in a fancy ship then a lowly tech 1 frig. |
Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Modrak Vseth
[The problem isn't that newbies "can't" solo or PvP, it's that they carry over the mentalities from the other MMOs that they play and "think" they can't solo or PvP.
The same problem plagued Planetside: people came in from other MMOs thinking that BR20s (at the time I started) would just annihilate BR1s – never mind the fact that the damage you did was the same, no matter what "level" you were…
The whole "higer level > lower level" thinking is too ingrained in MMO players for them to think outside the box. |
Resamo
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ordon Gundar
To the OP: Good idea.
I had a similar idea a while back, but it concerned "duelling" areas in Hisec. I suggested that two players, or two groups of players, in mutual agreement, should be able to agree to a duel. The criteria can be set at the start (for example, whether a player is beaten when they reach structure, or whether you want to enable ship destruction) and the whole party is then given a deadspace encounter location to warp to, and the duel starts. The kills would not count towards anything, as the idea is to either train PvP skills, or to settle smack talkers bigging up their skills.
In relation to RP, are you telling me that with all that empty space in the Universe, there wouldnt be areas put aside for combat practice. You could even give it RP kudos by having CONCORD run the whole thing, for the purpose of training "self-defence" as a way of reducing the pressure of law enforcement on them.
At the moment, the only way to duel is to arrange a can flip, and that is not ideal by any means.
I dont know what kind of corps you have been in but everyone i have been in has done duals and pvp test fittings and what not... you dont need concord to tell you how and where you agree to stop at structure you dont need concord to enforce it.
Why put in limiting game mechanics when players can monitor this by themselves, and if you dual someone you dont trust (smack talker) then if he kills you even though you agreed to stop at structure well thast your fault and part of what makes eve great there is risk in everything you do. |
DubanFP
Four Rings
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
The same problem plagued Planetside: people came in from other MMOs thinking that BR20s (at the time I started) would just annihilate BR1s û never mind the fact that the damage you did was the same, no matter what "level" you wereà
The whole "higer level > lower level" thinking is too ingrained in MMO players for them to think outside the box.
I agree. Also Pside was AWESOME untill BFRs killed the community. Granted BFRs were fixed eventually, but without the great playerbase it was jsut a shadow of it's former self  . |
Atlas Elestra
Titan Mining LLC
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Posted - 2008.06.12 15:04:00 -
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you can only duel someone in your corporation in high Sec with out coming over to intercede and dish out some punishment.
I'm not saying there is no quick PvP in EVE. I know you can get into a frigate pretty quick and in a GROUP be effective.
Say your trying EVE and are unable to convince your friends to..It's not that easy to get in a frigate group go to low sec and hunt. I think by adding a feature that can encourage more of it would be great.
I'm talking about adding to what I think is a cool game. At the same time no MMO is perfect.
ôSalvage is as much an art as building the ship itself. We take rubble and make rigs, now that takes Talent.ö |
d'hofren
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.12 15:04:00 -
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My Cov ops alt char got her first cruiser kill at 2 mil sp's...
She died a heck of a lot for a while but she only flew rocket kessies so each death cost her less than a million iskies each time.
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Italian Wedding
Soup Of The Day
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Posted - 2008.06.12 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Italian Wedding on 12/06/2008 15:43:34
Newbs can do FW in frigates. In fact that is all I would use in a Militia Corp as more then likely you're going to die in every engagement. It's kinda sad, and I am going to predict a lot of carebears crying when they lose thier carriers sitting on a bunk and yelling at everyone they need help and why aren't you helping me, etcetera.
Kinda feel bad for them. And yes, there are a bunch of carebears begging to bring their 'uber' carriers in the militia corps to the fights. Non-aligned pirates who camp bunkers are having an absolute field day vs the unorganized militia corps. But I guess that's was CCP's aim all along, to move a bunch of carebears into lowsec so pirates have more targets while not even having to participate in FW.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.12 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
I agree. Also Pside was AWESOME untill BFRs killed the community.
QFT. I hung up my gauss rifle when they brought out the balance ****ing robots.
We come for our people |
Ivy Axisur
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Posted - 2008.06.12 15:51:00 -
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Skill points are not the problem (or lack of them) is not the problem. The problem is lack of options for solo players or even 2 players to engage in PVP. A previous poster was right when he said that EVE is multiplayer only.
I support the dueling idea, or some other sort of consensual PVP. Until then, IÆll give factional warfare a try.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.06.12 16:00:00 -
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@OP; feel free to contact me and I'll explain you a few things regarding pvp in particular and EVE in general, and show you how to PVP on low SP. |
Gabbot
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Posted - 2008.06.12 16:02:00 -
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Tenacha Khan
Muchacho's
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Posted - 2008.06.12 16:06:00 -
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I got my first kill before I hit 100k sp
I also do not think that there should be any ooc restrictions or abilities put onto pvp. In ways of you cant enter if you have x sp or you can shoot below x ammount of hull. This would ultimatly take away from the game and remove parts of out ingame freedom that has made this game awsome.
I believe that this game is very noob friendly, there are places for you in every part of the game and in pvp. Take a cruiser and fit it for antifrigate with nanos light guns and mwd, use it to terrorise people in expensive t2 frigates (my alt is ace at that) You can also for instance get into an assault frigate very fast, these can be used to take out npcing ships no matter what they are imo. Plenty of other noobs in low sec take out their shiney bs to hit a few rats (laughable, but i see a few) they are easy target.
My best advice to you is pick a ship, learn all about it, test it on your mates. Repeatedly test the 'first hit' as I call it (thats warping in on your frinds in belts multiple times from different directions, managing aproach, orbit, etc to get max dmg asap). Another bit of advice is not to let how many sp you have dictate how you play the game. |
Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.06.12 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Atlas Elestra
Edited by: Atlas Elestra on 12/06/2008 15:06:22
you can only duel someone in your corporation in high Sec with out coming over to intercede and dish out some punishment.
You: Watch me jetcan this trit!
Opponent: I'm stealing your trit...
You: Oh you've done it now.
Opponent: You shot me!? Guess I'd better shoot back
... and voila, a duel with no concord or gun interference.
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Archon T'orn
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Posted - 2008.06.12 16:59:00 -
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Join Faction Warfare... problem solved. |
flashfreaking
LFC
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Posted - 2008.06.12 17:18:00 -
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tl&dr
Is Red vs Blue still alive?
If so => good alternative
Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint |
Kiarah
Janus Pilot Corps
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:18:00 -
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ITT we turn Eve into WoW. Start rolling your twinks guys. |
Malena Panic
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Modrak Vseth
~13M SP, I've been pirating, largely solo, since I had 2M SP. I'm decently successful (no superman, but I do alright and I have a ton of fun).
Lies! Modrak is utterly lethal and you should all flee for your lives the moment you see him in local.
(See I am helping yoo Mo!) :) |
Roguehalo
RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:14:00 -
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"There really isn't any Solo PvP unless your a vet with a bunch of SP and some superior Ship all fitted out, that a new player can't really afford much less piolet"
I'm a pro carebear and even I know that this is a load of old cobblers.
You can fit a combat frigate within 3 days of starting eve(somebodys sure to flame me and say it's 2 days  )
Take it out go shoot somebody and you are solo pvping |
Sin Fae
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Fae on 12/06/2008 19:26:22
This is what I told youngsters (Eve wise) when they complained they were broke and can't PvP: If you can fly a shuttle, and a crappy hauler you can PvP on day one.
Stealing Ore in a shuttle and a badger
Also, PvP is not limited to blowing someone up, there is market PvP, in the video it is theiving PvP, etc etc. There are lots of dimensions of PvP in Eve. Bottom line is to do that which makes you happy!
~S~
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Phaige
Reaver Construction Services
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Atlas Elestra
Edited by: Atlas Elestra on 12/06/2008 15:06:22
Say your trying EVE and are unable to convince your friends to..It's not that easy to get in a frigate group go to low sec and hunt. I think by adding a feature that can encourage more of it would be great.
Who says you needa group to go pvp/piraty in low sec? Sure it help is out by leaps and bounds, but its not 100% necessary. I started out (and still am ususally) a miner by trade. I can't tell you the number of times that I've taken frigates after ore theives, or had ppl try to ransom/blow up my mining fleets. I remember one instance where a guy kept bumping me so hard that I had to pay him a ransom just so I could go dock up in frustrated shame 
Believe me when I say, even from the onset, a person of imagination can really do quite a lot solo, they just have to be picky.
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You may be a King or a little Street Sweeper, but sooner or later you dance wi' de' Reaper! |
TimMc
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.06.12 21:17:00 -
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WAH WAH I CANNOT SOLO KILL A 5 YEAR OLD PLAYER AFTER A MONTH OF PLAYING
Seriously dude if that is your problem then go play a FPS, this is an RPG with RPG stats that mean older players will always been at a slight advantage. Make up for it by not solo'ing, go with a few friends. Solo is always still possible if you are clever and pick your fights well. |
Archon T'orn
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Posted - 2008.06.12 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
You can fit a combat frigate within 3 days of starting eve(somebodys sure to flame me and say it's 2 days )
Take it out go shoot somebody and you are solo pvping
n00b, I can so haxorz my way into a cruiser wiff bonuses to my Strength and Dexterity in eleventy-seven minutes.
Seriously, tho. Roguehalo's right on the point. |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.12 22:14:00 -
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PvP zones which limit you to certain sizes of ships...
I'm having serious deja vu. |
Atlas Elestra
Titan Mining LLC
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:03:00 -
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The reason behind it is not because I think a new player cant' beat a vet, nor because I think there is no PvP for a new player.
It's more that having an a bunny Slope of PvP can help the newwer players learn to PvP better. It will improve thier learning curve and thier enjoyment level. Both are good things for vet players who don't even ever run on the Bunny Hill because then the Game in general can be healthier.
More new players, New players coming at you with more skill should be more fun.
The thing is just going to low sec and randomly PvPing as fun as it sounds is not without consequences. And I'm not talking about consequences to me, I'm talking about my Corporation members. Say I tick someone off who's in a Corp that will then Wardec us.
I'm not in my corp for the short term hopping around like an MMO newb. We have long term goals and plans, and doing something short sighted can mess those up.
Anyway thanks for all the Feedback. The flaming wasn't too bad although I don't think any of it was constructive.
ôSalvage is as much an art as building the ship itself. We take rubble and make rigs, now that takes Talent.ö |
Gridwalker
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:14:00 -
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One of the issues is the lack of willingness to discover the options. For example, there are corporations such as EVE Academy dedicated to teaching new players PvP in a "safe" and controlled environment.
A little hunting around will find other corporations that don't mind training dedicated new members.
The facilities exist in EvE for newbie PvP and training, but they are all player-run. Some people just want an "official" solution, which is a real shame because the quality of training they would get from a player-run organization is bound to be infinitely superior.
Then there is the fear factor. Training with new friends and corp mates in a friendly environment can go a long way to ease the PvP fear factor.
Just my two isk.
-Grid
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:53:00 -
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Skim skim skim...
"...battlegrounds..."
NO!
EVE has NO instances. This is not the place nor reason to start them.
Originally by: Amoxin
My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming |
Atlas Elestra
Titan Mining LLC
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Atomos Darksun
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EVE has NO instances. This is not the place nor reason to start them.
Uh yes it does. Missions generate areas that are only accessible via Acceleration gates, and some early missions even have gates that limit the type of ship that can gate thru them.
DED's are sort of limited instances in that there is a delay to entering some of them when you need a passcode key thingy.
I'm on the mailing list for Agony Unleashed's Classes but they are under great demand. <shrug> I'll figure something out, but having an easily accessable game mechanic to me is a good thing.
ôSalvage is as much an art as building the ship itself. We take rubble and make rigs, now that takes Talent.ö |
Arkios Odymei
Incarnation of Evil
Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Arkios Odymei on 14/06/2008 00:12:53
Originally by: Atlas Elestra
It's more that having an a bunny Slope of PvP can help the newwer players learn to PvP better. It will improve thier learning curve and thier enjoyment level. Both are good things for vet players who don't even ever run on the Bunny Hill because then the Game in general can be healthier.
More new players, New players coming at you with more skill should be more fun.
The thing is just going to low sec and randomly PvPing as fun as it sounds is not without consequences. And I'm not talking about consequences to me, I'm talking about my Corporation members. Say I tick someone off who's in a Corp that will then Wardec us.
Anyway thanks for all the Feedback. The flaming wasn't too bad although I don't think any of it was constructive.
1: Faction warefare has different level battle areas. The lowest level only allows T1 Frigates and Destroyers to fight. Lvl 2 adds T1 cruisers and T2 frigates. 3 adds BC's and T2 cruisers. In 4 anything goes. I believe that that lvl 1 area is as "bunny slope" as you can get... T1 Frigs and Dessies only for crying out loud! You can be 80% maxed for those ships in like 2 weeks worth of training and get max skills for those in a little over a month.
2: The reason there is no Solo PvP is because in Eve, you can be the best damn pilot out there, but If you run into a group of emenies, you are usualy toast. If you roll with friends, You increase your survivability by alot. IE- solo awesome veteran character vs 10 man lower Sp / skilled gate camp is still 10-to-1 odds that you are pretty much boned... where as if there were 3-4 of you and you worked well as a team, all of a sudden that "Deathtrap" becaomes a great fight. Nothing is better than victory in an out numbered situation, and 3-to-1 is definitaly do-able. Skill points dont matter as much as personal skill/knowledge and the ability to function as a good team (Not to say that skill points dont matter at all...).
3: Eve is about consequences. Everything you do in this game can come back to haunt you. Thats the point. You name is your identity, one which cannot be changed, and that can always be tracked. If you cross ppl, stab ppl in the back, go back on your word, piss off the wrong person... be ready for revenge, because in Eve it is always possible. The same holds true for you too; If you feel crossed by some one, and are unable to get the revenge you deserve at this time, Write their name down. I know several ppl who took note of the first person that blew up there ship / pod, and have eventualy tracked them down to get revenge months (if not years) later. In an old corp, Ive personaly gone to war because an ex-corpmate called in a favor. There were some folks harassing him when was running a small scale mining operation. He and his current corp had almost no actual combat abilities, but he knew me and a few corpies who started a pirate corp and remained in close contact with us. So after getting harassed for a bit, he called us in and we were happy to oblige! ... Consequences. If he hadnt know us or stayed on good terms, we wouldnt be there to back him up. Likewise, had that group not harassed him, they wouldnt have been hunted down by us.
4: If you want to do something, make sure you are in a group with like minded individuals. Also, if your goals are so important, Dont jepardize them.
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Arkios Odymei
Incarnation of Evil
Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Atlas Elestra
Uh yes it does. Missions generate areas that are only accessible via Acceleration gates, and some early missions even have gates that limit the type of ship that can gate thru them.
DED's are sort of limited instances in that there is a delay to entering some of them when you need a passcode key thingy.
You obviously havent been probed down yet. I have probed mission runners and killed them in their missions. They are not instances, as the term instance refers to the fact that each individual has their own area which doesnt allow others to join. That does not exist in Eve. Where ever you are, rest assured that is someone wanted to, they can get to you.
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Kyra Felann
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:57:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Kyra Felann on 14/06/2008 00:58:26
Hey, guys, I think we should be able to enlist in a militia for our race and then fight against our race's enemies that enlist in their race's militias. What do you all think? They could call it "faction warfare".
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Gridwalker
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Posted - 2008.06.14 01:16:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Edited by: Kyra Felann on 14/06/2008 00:58:26
Hey, guys, I think we should be able to enlist in a militia for our race and then fight against our race's enemies that enlist in their race's militias. What do you all think? They could call it "faction warfare".
I don't think it is a good idea at all, if you ask me, and I don't think you understand the spirit of EVE. Enlisting in a militia sounds a lot like a "PvP enabled" flag, which is against everything EVE stands for! How about making it so we can kill people who merely have low standings with whatever faction we hold high standings with?
Would be a lot more simple that way, and is much more in line with the "spirit" of EVE.
Unless, of course, these "militia" things would force you to join an NPC organization. That would be awesome! 
-Grid
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.14 01:45:00 -
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I skipped paragraphs 1-5, do i get a prize? LIke a taco or something??
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Atlas Elestra
Titan Mining LLC
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Posted - 2008.06.14 12:40:00 -
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Mmmm I could use a taco....
I'm not looking for Solo PvP I'm looking for a place an individual can basically go and know that they will be able to join a Pick up Fleet and do some PvP. Pick up Fleets are few and far between in EVE.
Factional Warfare comes close, but I can't do that without leaving my corporation.
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Ka Jolo
Ministry of Destruction
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.15 07:14:00 -
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Low-skillpoint pilots in T1 frigates can beat exhumers (worth 100 x a T1 frigate), or several mining barges, or cruisers, or even battlecruisers, interceptors, assault frigates, or battleships that are flown by ill-advised pilots. They can and do kill these ships solo. Proof.
As a low-skillpoint cruiser pilot (less than three months' experience), I once killed an assault frigate, an interceptor, and two cruisers, and ran off a third cruiser, holding the field, in a single battle--all by myself. Proof.
Suggest what you want, but don't premise your argument by denigrating low-SP T1 frigate or cruiser solo PvP. Rather, denigrate EVE players that don't inform themselves as to their ship's capabilities, useful skills, or winning tactics and strategy.
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Blackjack OMalley
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.15 08:08:00 -
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T1 Frigate gangs do just fine in FW. In fact, FW has, so far, been a pretty good thing. I say it ain't broke, so don't try to fix it.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.15 08:33:00 -
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Quote:
The idea is simple, Newbie Battle grounds in which you limit the ability to enter by set critera.
PLAY Factional warfare!
THey have complexes where only frigates can get in. ONLY FRIGATES AND DESTORYERS. This means a new players is at the same level field.
also no pick up gangs? PLAY FACTIONAL WARFARE. eve now has pick up gangs EVERYWHERE.
Log in, type "forming fleet for defense x up" or "forming fleet for offense x up"
and within 2 mins you'll have a gang. now go out into space with 5-10 frigates, scan down systems, find complex and go to complex.
If your defending you don't even fight any NPCs you just have to hold the point for 10 mins.
NOw the idea is that any warring ammar fleet jumps in they will see you in system and they will see the plex in local. Thus they will attack youu becuase they want the point. However ONLY FRIGATES AND DESTORYERS CAN GET IN. thus you'll have a even fight on your hands unless they don't have any small ships and which case they won't come in :P
pick up gangs are easy and you can join on day one.
There is a good reason trial accounts aren't allowed into FW, they would shift the power far to much far to quickly. Frigates are NEEDED TO WIN. hell I fly a frigate and I have 30 million sp, SP means NOTHING in eve.
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Bald Rikk
The Legendary Fleet
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Posted - 2008.06.15 08:37:00 -
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Two words
Noob Mercs
Find em. Join em. PVP.
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