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Christy Walton Bloodveil	Posted - 2008.06.13 05:18:00 - [1] Did you vote for a CSM candidate now elected, and if you did, do you regret it now?
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.06.13 05:31:00 - [2] I shall be the first(If not only) person to admit that he hasn't regretted voting for the person he voted for()
Illaria	Posted - 2008.06.13 05:42:00 - [3] Are you joking? Jade did a great job providing me with all these goon tears. I love the CSM forums. CAOD was getting a bit boring as of lately. ---- Darius Johnson, not MY CSM.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.13 05:45:00 - [4] I voted for Jade because he was the only one with a vision of the game I really liked. If I'd known how much of a walking drama bomb he was going to be, I probably would have looked a bit harder for second-best, but I'm not convinced yet as to whether I'd have voted otherwise given the option. I will, however, be sure to look people's forum histories up more thoroughly next time when I'm picking who to vote for. ------------------ Fix the forums!
Illaria	Posted - 2008.06.13 05:59:00 - [5] On a serious note: Yes, I voted for Jade primarily because I happen to agree with the general ideas of his manifesto and because he's a damn good communicator, BUT I'd be lying if say that I didn't foresee great opportunities for drama especially with an organization like GoonSwarm. ---- Darius Johnson, not MY CSM.
Dannie Trejo	Posted - 2008.06.13 06:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Illaria because he's a damn good communicator hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Jason Marshall Hammer Of Light	Posted - 2008.06.13 10:56:00 - [7] I wish we could cast a vote of no confidence. Jade really crossed the line.
baalaagaa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Illaria he's a damn good communicator WALL OF TEXT
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:20:00 - [9] I voted for Hardin, and he's one of very few doing what he actually should be. So yeah... I'm not regretful in the slightest. \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Tekeran The Hull Miners Union The Red Skull	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:16:00 - [10] Voted Hardin. I'm still happy with my vote. We are now recruiting!

Wednesday Sheffield GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 20:09:00 - [11] Voted Bane. I haven't seen enough to call him great but he's one of the best on the council. I am not unhappy with my choice.
Yuki Santara Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2008.06.14 00:33:00 - [12] I voted for Ankh and Jade, not regretting it so far. I always thought that the vote should have been more about who appears mature and reasonable enough to sort through the mess that are the EVE forums and present the important issues to CCP, but then I gave one half of the vote to Jade anyway because I liked his agenda. :) Maybe people will vote differently next time, when it's more clear what the CSM actually does (too many still seem to think that the CSM is supposed to make decisions about the development of the game). That said, I do think that Jade is probably not the right person as chairman at this time, not because he is unable, but because too many CSM members seem to have issues with respecting his authority due to his controversial character. A more neutral person might have better luck, but what I am most disappointed with so far is, that it's not just the goons who make this a lot harder than it should be by being excessively argumentative. There is still enough time for everyone to get their act together and the actual results aren't _that_ bad for a start, so I am not worried (yet). And all of this will give us a good idea who and who not to re-elect next time around.
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.14 00:41:00 - [13] Originally by: Yuki Santara That said, I do think that Jade is probably not the right person as chairman at this time, not because he is unable, but because too many CSM members seem to have issues with respecting his authority due to his controversial character. The chair has no inherent authority. There is nothing to respect. Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.06.14 02:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON The chair has no inherent authority. There is nothing to respect. :edit: Before some goose takes this out of context I'm explicitly referring to "respecting authority". Respecting opinions or anything else is a different story. Ding! Wrong again, oh great one. The chair does have authority. Authority to moderate meetings. I know this vexes you fiercely, but it's the way things are. Suck it up, accept reality and respect the authority for what it is. Mere administrative duty. Moderating the CSM meeting in no way means that Jade is your superior. As you are fond, very fond, of saying, "you're all equal on the council". Don't worry. Nobody contests this. Windjammer
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.06.14 02:25:00 - [15] Oh.....and I do not regret who I voted for and, no, it was not Jade. I'm very pleased with the choice I made and in light of events to date would not hesitate to make the same choice again. Windjammer
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.14 02:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Windjammer Ding! Wrong again, oh great one. The chair does have authority. Authority to moderate meetings. I know this vexes you fiercely, but it's the way things are. Suck it up, accept reality and respect the authority for what it is. Mere administrative duty. Moderating the CSM meeting in no way means that Jade is your superior. As you are fond, very fond, of saying, "you're all equal on the council". Don't worry. Nobody contests this. Windjammer You're still speaking about things you don't know about. See this very forum for an example of that change re: rotating moderators. Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.14 03:39:00 - [17] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 14/06/2008 03:41:58 Originally by: Darius JOHNSON You're still speaking about things you don't know about. See this very forum for an example of that change re: rotating moderators. Yeah Darius is right on this one. I think we all agree now that that rotating moderation responsibilities and letting people introduce their own issues and get a turn running the debate is a good thing. It has been a bit experimental and random so far but I'm going say right now that I'm happy for Darius to handle moderation responsibilities on his own issues and if we can come to some kind of agreement to make it work I'd be happy see a fully rotating chair with us all sharing the moderation burden. Either that or completely outsource the chair role to a ccp appointed non voting moderator. I'm really not interested in stupid admin power struggles - I just want to see our issues get promoted correctly and the CSM to be a success. And as the actual CSM reps have all calmed down and come to agreement on this point this week I'm pretty confident it'll happen. The Chair position never really had any actual "power" - every argument we've had this week has been a storm-in-a-teacup blown up to ridiculous proportions by the jerry-springer factor of doing this all in public for an audience of bored internet spaceship geeks :) *in which category I suspect a lot of CSM fall as well. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Yorda Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 04:20:00 - [18] Voted for Darius, expected the CSM to do nothing, got a bunch of drama, am happy with my vote.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.14 05:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Jade Constantine Yeah Darius is right on this one. I think we all agree now that that rotating moderation responsibilities and letting people introduce their own issues and get a turn running the debate is a good thing. It has been a bit experimental and random so far but I'm going say right now that I'm happy for Darius to handle moderation responsibilities on his own issues and if we can come to some kind of agreement to make it work I'd be happy see a fully rotating chair with us all sharing the moderation burden. I think Jade needs to be reported for EULA violations - specifically, sharing his password. There's no way our friendly neighbourhood Andrew Cruse would say that Darius is right Seriously though, if this can be worked out, I'm entirely in favour. Anything that makes this committee function is a good thing. ------------------ Fix the forums!
Tress Macneille Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 07:04:00 - [20] Voted for Bane, am very glad

Willford Bremly Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.06.15 08:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Illaria because he's a damn good communicator Silencing people you don't agree with is communism. Thats not communication. »\(¦_o)/»
Illaria	Posted - 2008.06.15 14:17:00 - [22] Edited by: Illaria on 15/06/2008 14:24:31 Originally by: Willford Bremly Silencing people you don't agree with is communism. Thats not communication. You should read up about communism, my friend. It describes a socioeconomic order that implies the public ownership of the means of production, facilitating the dispersion of the interest gained from those to the benefit of the whole population and not a single investor (at least in theory). It has nothing to do with communication even if the words may seem similar. Of course there may be the slim chance that you are a remnant of the cold war era, so you equal communism with everything you else you might consider unfavorable. I don't know which would be more embarassing for you: if your statement originated from your profound lack of education or your McCarthyism. ---- Darius Johnson, not MY CSM.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.15 15:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Illaria Edited by: Illaria on 15/06/2008 14:24:31 Originally by: Willford Bremly Silencing people you don't agree with is communism. Thats not communication. You should read up about communism, my friend. It describes a socioeconomic order that implies the public ownership of the means of production, facilitating the dispersion of the interest gained from those to the benefit of the whole population and not a single investor (at least in theory). It has nothing to do with communication even if the words may seem similar. Of course there may be the slim chance that you are a remnant of the cold war era, so you equal communism with everything you else you might consider unfavorable. I don't know which would be more embarassing for you: if your statement originated from your profound lack of education or your McCarthyism. To be fair, silencing people who disagree with the ruling elites is a fairly fundamental aspect of communism as it's actually practiced in real life. I don't think there's ever been a communist regime that allowed for dissent - most of them would just shoot you out of hand(and a few of the more creative ones would then send your family a bill for the bullet), and the rest would just have you rotting in a jail cell for years or decades. Marx's theorymongering aside, equating communism with repression is a fairly apt statement about how the world actually functions. ------------------ Fix the forums!
Illaria	Posted - 2008.06.15 16:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto To be fair, silencing people who disagree with the ruling elites is a fairly fundamental aspect of communism as it's actually practiced in real life. I don't think there's ever been a communist regime that allowed for dissent - most of them would just shoot you out of hand(and a few of the more creative ones would then send your family a bill for the bullet), and the rest would just have you rotting in a jail cell for years or decades. Marx's theorymongering aside, equating communism with repression is a fairly apt statement about how the world actually functions. Silencing people was also the common practice durung the McCarthy era in the USA, the land of free. Repression was also a trademark of many regimes that enjoyed the support of the western states in their fight against communism, e.g. the the military junta in Chile during the Pinochet years. So repression is something that happens independent of the underlying socioeconomic model of a society. Equating repression with communism is really political oversimplification of the more primitive kind. ---- Darius Johnson, not MY CSM.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.15 16:21:00 - [25] Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 15/06/2008 16:22:38 Originally by: Illaria Silencing people was also the common practice durung the McCarthy era in the USA, the land of free. Repression was also a trademark of many regimes that enjoyed the support of the western states in their fight against communism, e.g. the the military junta in Chile during the Pinochet years. So repression is something that happens independent of the underlying socioeconomic model of a society. Equating repression with communism is really political oversimplification of the more primitive kind. Hey, I hardly claimed that communism was the only repressive system humans have ever used for government. Mind you, it's one of the worst - Stalin and Mao both killed far more people than **** - but a cursory examination of history will tell you just how evil humanity can be, no matter what rhetoric is used to justify it. He was oversimplifying, I'll agree, but he wasn't doing so inaccurately. Edit: Wow, they censor the name of everybody's favourite ** dictator? This board must have had some real fun with Godwin's Law back in the day. ------------------ Fix the forums!
Tress Macneille Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.15 19:03:00 - [26] Originally by: Illaria Edited by: Illaria on 15/06/2008 14:24:31 Originally by: Willford Bremly Silencing people you don't agree with is communism. Thats not communication. You should read up about communism, my friend. It describes a socioeconomic order that implies the public ownership of the means of production, facilitating the dispersion of the interest gained from those to the benefit of the whole population and not a single investor (at least in theory). It has nothing to do with communication even if the words may seem similar. Of course there may be the slim chance that you are a remnant of the cold war era, so you equal communism with everything you else you might consider unfavorable. I don't know which would be more embarassing for you: if your statement originated from your profound lack of education or your McCarthyism. No it's not, you're just trying to show off. Communism is by nature oppressive because there is no other way to enforce its tenants effecively other than through force: communism without the dictatorship of the proleteriat is a 19th century pipe dream that can never exist. But anyway you just keep on copy pastin wikipedia passages in an attempt to look smart, it worked in high school so it should work here as well right!? Also conflating Stalin and McCarthy? Seriously?
Illaria	Posted - 2008.06.15 19:25:00 - [27] Edited by: Illaria on 15/06/2008 19:28:31 Originally by: Tress Macneille Also conflating Stalin and McCarthy? Seriously? Where did I compared Stalin to McCarthy. I even never mentioned Stalin. But perhaps you're conflating Stalin with communism? In this case let me conflate the republican, federal, free market system, with slavery, racism and intolerance. I'm sure this would be fair, wouldn't it? Just because some red necks told you that communism is the definition of institutionalized evil and can be used as general analogy for everything that is undesirable is doesn't have to be true. ---- Darius Johnson, not MY CSM.
Tress Macneille Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.15 20:02:00 - [28] I should have known it would be useless to argue about freedome with an european.
Illaria	Posted - 2008.06.15 20:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Tress Macneille I should have known it would be useless to argue about freedome with an european. I'm quoting this, before you edit it out. Oh, speaking of freedom: We here in Europe have the freedom to travel to Cuba. Perhaps it's because our societies aren't so paranoid about communism, that they feel it necessary to forbid their own citizens traveling or conducting business there. Just a thought. ---- Darius Johnson, not MY CSM.
Willford Bremly Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.06.15 20:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Illaria Edited by: Illaria on 15/06/2008 14:24:31 Originally by: Willford Bremly Silencing people you don't agree with is communism. Thats not communication. You should read up about communism, my friend. It describes a socioeconomic order that implies the public ownership of the means of production, facilitating the dispersion of the interest gained from those to the benefit of the whole population and not a single investor (at least in theory). It has nothing to do with communication even if the words may seem similar. Of course there may be the slim chance that you are a remnant of the cold war era, so you equal communism with everything you else you might consider unfavorable. I don't know which would be more embarassing for you: if your statement originated from your profound lack of education or your McCarthyism. Sorry, my education prohibits me to copy/paste from wiki. Also I put in bold your obvious level of education in the spelling area. That is ironic and funny. Don't worry though, the words do seem similar. Oh, and good luck making communism work without a dictator. »\(¦_o)/»



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