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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 13/06/2008 14:09:36
I am not usually a General Discussion whiner but does CCP really expect EVE roleplayers to swallow the Jamyl Sarum storyline?
Here we have an NPC character who 'apparently' died 4 years ago as part of the Imperial Succession story arc suddenly rising from the dead...
For those who don't know the heads of Amarrian Houses otherwise known as 'heirs' have to compete (in some form or another) to see who gets to be the new Emperor.
Those heirs who do not survive have to commit suicide - this is all well documented in the prime fiction.
Anyway four years ago Emperor Heideran died and we got a special 'Imperial Succession' tournament where each of the Heirs had teams representing them (sort of an early alliance tournament). Many among the RP community felt the whole idea of a letting pod pilots compete to decide the succession of the Amarrian Empire was 'heretical' but all the various Heirs signed up including Jamyl Sarum.
Now this is where is gets quite murky - according to what I have been told over the years CCP had a 'nominated' team participating in the tournament - a team that they thought would sweep all aside. Unfortunately for their storyline that team failed!
As a result the relatively peace loving Dorian won the tournament and CCP's storyline was left in tatters. Anyway - as was set down in prime fiction all the unsuccessful heirs - including warlike Jamyl Sarum committed ritual suicide at an event at which important figures in Amarrian pod pilot society were invited - including me.
So I was there and I saw Jamyl commit 'suicide' in accordance with scripture.
Anyway, fast forward to the present day. Last week we get presented with the reappearance of 'zombie' Jamyl risen from the dead and leading a 'miraculous' Amarrian fleet...
When I and other Amarrian roleplayers get over this shock we wonder how on earth Jamyl could have returned from her death. How can this be justified in RP terms?
Of course the people behind the storyline have a feckload of explaining to do. Was it all some kind of mystical dream sequence similar to JR rising from the dead in Dallas, had all the attendees at the Imperial Succession been brainwashed (including Pod pilots like myself) or was there some kind of mystical happenings going on here?
Countless questions imposed themselves. We sat an waited for some kind of justification of how this Heir could have risen from the dead - and then also some clarification on her status - after all if she hadn't committed suicide for participating in the Imperial Succession tournament then she is basically a heretic and shouldn't be commanding an Executioner let alone an Amarrian battle fleet...
So we waited for answers and then we get today's news.
The other heirs (relations of the other heirs who had killed themselves competing for the Imperial Succession) who have spent the last four years since the execution of Doriam arguing about the succession have apparently annointed this 'apparent' HERETIC as the new Empress of Amarr.
Weren't they ****ed off that this woman who apparently cheated death when their own relatives topped themselves suddenly reappeared?
No - instead they decided to deny themselves the opportunity of becoming Emperor and have apparently awarded it with no explanation to someone who they basically shouldn't even deign to **** on.
Now maybe CCP have some great explanation in the sidelines but from the way the stories are coming out we appear to be being RAILROADED into accepting Jamyl the Empress with no real commonsensical reason/eplanation for wtf is going on!
As someone who has spent five years now RPing as a 'loyal' Amarrian this story line is aggravating me and my colleagues gigantically at present.
Personally I have nothing against Jamyl leading the Amarr Empire but please CCP respect RP and give us good reasons rather than presenting us with a 'fait accompli' that really makes no RP sense whatsoever...
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 13/06/2008 14:07:10
Some comments:
It's nice that the space opera has turned into a farce.
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WTF!! The heirs are saving her skin? Were are the religiously fanatic and zealous empire???!!!!
Have the heirs gone mad!
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there is a new zombie faction you can find on the map . Zombie jamyl is eating our brains and wants to become the queen of the undead *shivers* tbh: they will have to come up with a VERY good story to make me ride along. or i will form the 'order of the rightful emperor'
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okay this sucks ass big time!
First they cannot agree who should be emperor or even do a succession trial and now they all suddenly agree! Its **** like this that makes me want to quit being a roleplayer!!! How i am supported to work with this!?
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Oh, thats nothing. In the next official communique from the Amarr Empress, she will demand CVA be branded outlaw for the heretical views of our Leader regarding his strict viewpoint that Jamyl should not be empress and should commit suicide.
After downtime tomorrow all of our POS will have been vaporized by a 1000 dread fleet, all outposts will be taken over by the Amarr Navy, we will be locked out and any assets in those outposts now property of the empire, sentry guns installed at every gate and outpost in Providence, every current and former member of CVA branded with a permanent -10 that can not be improved resulting in us getting wtf pwned if we even think about setting foot in any Amarr space, and lastly a keylogger uploaded to our computers resulting in all of our bank accounts irl being drained to support the new CCP vampire game.
I think that about sums it up.
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Whinage over 
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Boo Hoo.
Exactly
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
I'm going to venture a guess that there might be more details to this in the Empyrean Age book. I'll be reserving final judgment on this until I've had a chance to read it.
Indeed there might be...
It better be damn good
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Hardin
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Clones
Heirs aren't allowed to use clones.
The flesh of the Emperor must be pure.
It's in the chronicles.
So the farce that is the Amarrian God and the Royal Court is coming to an end. Deal with it. Let CCP take the story where they want.
Yes I fancy some vampire on vampire action...
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Hardin
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Posted - 2008.06.13 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
This just in: Jamyl (pictured second from left) celebrating with the rest of her friends and advisors.
When asked about her abrupt return, she replied with a sullen, "braaaaiiins."
You made me spit Quafe all over my keyboard...
Back on topic:
I believe CCP are simply 'correcting' their storyline. After all they never expected their nominated team to lose the original succession tournament - and never for a second considered that a pacifist like Doriam would win.
If Jamyl had won would she have been executed 6 months into the job? I sincerely doubt it!
It is quite clear to older 'Amarr' RPers, that there has been a 'cadre' of Jamyl fans within CCP since the start, who have been actively pushing for her return (despite the complications that brings) instead of adapting the storyline (i.e. bothering to name a new Sarum heir and developing their personality) after the Imperial Succession event.
CCP are now back on track with their original 'storyline' and god forbid that we object at the apparently nonsensical way that it has been implemented
Of course the novel may explain all this - maybe that's the purpose I just feel slight used that us RPers will end up having to buy a book to explain WTF is happening in a game which I already pay ú38 a month for!
I shall of course seek out Ginger/Tony Gonzales next week and waterboard them until I get an explanation j/k
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Posted - 2008.06.13 15:27:00 -
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A quote from PIE forums:
Quote:
It seems that everything else in EVE is dynamic except CCPs storylines.
(That were written down in a bar, on a napkin, ten years ago.)
Personally I don't care if Jamyl is named "Most Excellent Galactic Supremo" , 'Wench-in-charge" or even "Victor" - provided CCP explain it properly! 
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Posted - 2008.06.13 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 13/06/2008 16:06:07
Originally by: Eldon Rosen
Use your imagination it's not too difficult
Of course we can come up with a thousand reasons to justify Jamyl's return - it would just be nice to know what they are BEFORE she is appointed Empress
I know that the Empire likes its secrets but at present there has been absolutely zero justification
Even if the Amarr media/public werent questioning this 'miracle' then I would certainly expect the Gallente/Minmatar/Caldari media to be asking some hard questions about why a 'heretic' seems to be a shoe in to the biggest job in the galaxy!
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Posted - 2008.06.13 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Zion
Just because there's no full explanation yet doesn't mean there won't be. I'm pretty confident the novel will offer further insights into all of this.
I am sure you are right. I am not afterall saying there is no explanation that CCP can come up with to justify this.
What I am 'whinging' about is
a) Why should we have to buy a novel to get this explanation?
b) The storyline, as progressed through game news, is at present all we as pod pilots have to go on. The storyline as presented so far does not make any sense in RP terms.
I believe roleplay should be as 'realistic' as possible - it's why I am in the CVA after all. In reality a 'story' such as this would be accompanied by all kinds of speculations and discussion. Yet here we have virtually nothing.
This is drama for drama sake - with no apparent consideration given to how a story like this would play out realistically. Take a sudden change of leadership in some far away country. The media may have no clue what prompted it - but there would be speculation and discussion. People in the know would be contacted and asked for an opinion. In amongst the pure speculation would be the occasional bit of truth (a bit like CAOD actually ) - but here we just seem to have been presented with a fait accompli with none of the accompanying explanation/speculation. And I reiterate if the Amarr media had been gagged then its certain that the Gallente/Caldari/Minmatar media would be voicing their opinions.
As it stands it kinda feels like: "Here is Jamyl Sarum - she is your new Empress - we don't care if it apparently contradicts the prime fiction we have produced up to this point - if you want the proper explanation go read our book."
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Posted - 2008.06.13 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
It is not believable to you because your precious amarr are flopping all over the place with fallibility.
...or it's not believable because after reading so much canon about how stiff and unadaptable Amarrians are as a culture, (reinforced by the story of what happened to the last guy to break the rules of succession,) suddenly the heirs are as flexible as a gallente prostitute when it comes to succession rules.
Mmmmm... Gallente prostitutes...
/emote takes a shower and seeks out his local inquisitor
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Posted - 2008.06.13 19:15:00 -
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Well thank you for replying.
I will try and restrain CVA from bombing Sarum Prime for the moment then
ps. I am still gonna hunt down Ginger next week 
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:41:00 -
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Well I for one am going to give CCP the benefit of the doubt now!
And I will be buying the book |
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Posted - 2008.06.14 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Relax, step away from the forum ;\
I already had :p
And Victor Vision - I am not 100% happy - but will give CCP the benefit of doubt now they have actually communicated and semi-clarified that there is some logic behind this!
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