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Hardin
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 13/06/2008 14:09:36
I am not usually a General Discussion whiner but does CCP really expect EVE roleplayers to swallow the Jamyl Sarum storyline?
Here we have an NPC character who 'apparently' died 4 years ago as part of the Imperial Succession story arc suddenly rising from the dead...
For those who don't know the heads of Amarrian Houses otherwise known as 'heirs' have to compete (in some form or another) to see who gets to be the new Emperor.
Those heirs who do not survive have to commit suicide - this is all well documented in the prime fiction.
Anyway four years ago Emperor Heideran died and we got a special 'Imperial Succession' tournament where each of the Heirs had teams representing them (sort of an early alliance tournament). Many among the RP community felt the whole idea of a letting pod pilots compete to decide the succession of the Amarrian Empire was 'heretical' but all the various Heirs signed up including Jamyl Sarum.
Now this is where is gets quite murky - according to what I have been told over the years CCP had a 'nominated' team participating in the tournament - a team that they thought would sweep all aside. Unfortunately for their storyline that team failed!
As a result the relatively peace loving Dorian won the tournament and CCP's storyline was left in tatters. Anyway - as was set down in prime fiction all the unsuccessful heirs - including warlike Jamyl Sarum committed ritual suicide at an event at which important figures in Amarrian pod pilot society were invited - including me.
So I was there and I saw Jamyl commit 'suicide' in accordance with scripture.
Anyway, fast forward to the present day. Last week we get presented with the reappearance of 'zombie' Jamyl risen from the dead and leading a 'miraculous' Amarrian fleet...
When I and other Amarrian roleplayers get over this shock we wonder how on earth Jamyl could have returned from her death. How can this be justified in RP terms?
Of course the people behind the storyline have a feckload of explaining to do. Was it all some kind of mystical dream sequence similar to JR rising from the dead in Dallas, had all the attendees at the Imperial Succession been brainwashed (including Pod pilots like myself) or was there some kind of mystical happenings going on here?
Countless questions imposed themselves. We sat an waited for some kind of justification of how this Heir could have risen from the dead - and then also some clarification on her status - after all if she hadn't committed suicide for participating in the Imperial Succession tournament then she is basically a heretic and shouldn't be commanding an Executioner let alone an Amarrian battle fleet...
So we waited for answers and then we get today's news.
The other heirs (relations of the other heirs who had killed themselves competing for the Imperial Succession) who have spent the last four years since the execution of Doriam arguing about the succession have apparently annointed this 'apparent' HERETIC as the new Empress of Amarr.
Weren't they ****ed off that this woman who apparently cheated death when their own relatives topped themselves suddenly reappeared?
No - instead they decided to deny themselves the opportunity of becoming Emperor and have apparently awarded it with no explanation to someone who they basically shouldn't even deign to **** on.
Now maybe CCP have some great explanation in the sidelines but from the way the stories are coming out we appear to be being RAILROADED into accepting Jamyl the Empress with no real commonsensical reason/eplanation for wtf is going on!
As someone who has spent five years now RPing as a 'loyal' Amarrian this story line is aggravating me and my colleagues gigantically at present.
Personally I have nothing against Jamyl leading the Amarr Empire but please CCP respect RP and give us good reasons rather than presenting us with a 'fait accompli' that really makes no RP sense whatsoever...
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Hardin
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 13/06/2008 14:07:10
Some comments:
It's nice that the space opera has turned into a farce.
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WTF!! The heirs are saving her skin? Were are the religiously fanatic and zealous empire???!!!!
Have the heirs gone mad!
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there is a new zombie faction you can find on the map . Zombie jamyl is eating our brains and wants to become the queen of the undead *shivers* tbh: they will have to come up with a VERY good story to make me ride along. or i will form the 'order of the rightful emperor'
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okay this sucks ass big time!
First they cannot agree who should be emperor or even do a succession trial and now they all suddenly agree! Its **** like this that makes me want to quit being a roleplayer!!! How i am supported to work with this!?
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Oh, thats nothing. In the next official communique from the Amarr Empress, she will demand CVA be branded outlaw for the heretical views of our Leader regarding his strict viewpoint that Jamyl should not be empress and should commit suicide.
After downtime tomorrow all of our POS will have been vaporized by a 1000 dread fleet, all outposts will be taken over by the Amarr Navy, we will be locked out and any assets in those outposts now property of the empire, sentry guns installed at every gate and outpost in Providence, every current and former member of CVA branded with a permanent -10 that can not be improved resulting in us getting wtf pwned if we even think about setting foot in any Amarr space, and lastly a keylogger uploaded to our computers resulting in all of our bank accounts irl being drained to support the new CCP vampire game.
I think that about sums it up.
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Whinage over 
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Kaylana Syi
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:06:00 -
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Boo Hoo.
Team Minmatar
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Hardin
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Boo Hoo.
Exactly
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/06/2008 14:15:49
I'm afraid that I have to disagree with Hardin. It was definitely Bobby Ewing who rose from the dead in Dallas.
I can agree with other stuff he said though!
As I've said elsewhere...
I think that what annoys me here is that:
* Last year Ginger went on the record stating that the delay in FW would not delay a new Emperor showing up. We now see that that was wrong.
* After the Tetrimon arc was leaked CCP said that their policy was to abandon story arcs that were leaked. Fair enough. But longer term players may remember the rumours going around in 2004 that there would be a crisis in the Empire and that Jamyl would return to save the day and then be crowned. Rumours of Jamyl's survival have persisted since then. Now my memory's not totally clear on this, but wasn't one of the main people spreading that rumour also involved in the Tetrimon leak?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:13:00 -
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It was also pointed somewhere else the the Minmatar Elders also died during the backstory some time ago with no clone backup. Yet they suddenly appeared again.
However I do not follow the RP side of things, I just picked that up on the forums.
Seems Jamyl Sarum is not the only zombie in the game ...
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Mortimer Duke
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:16:00 -
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/popcorn
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:18:00 -
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I can tell somebody read John Varley's "The Phantom of Kansas"
(not that that's a bad thing!)
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:18:00 -
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Clones
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Nicholas Barker
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Nicholas Barker on 13/06/2008 14:21:14
why arn't khanid back in the amarr empire then? HMMMMM?
EDIT - on second thought, maybe they just don't want to risk having to commit suicide if they lose, and have chose some puppet to take over.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Clones
Heirs aren't allowed to use clones.
The flesh of the Emperor must be pure.
It's in the chronicles.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Clones
Amarr nobility is not allowed to use clone technology. God's Flesh may not be copied. It's heresy.
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Arenis Xemdal
Imperativa
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:24:00 -
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Considering the Tetrimon arc was a big part of the Reclaiming and any subsequent House Sarum plot progression, you shouldn't be all that surprised. In less than 24 hours, with some simple news posts, CCP 'caught up' the dangling and unfinished stories from where they were, to where they needed them to be.
Except for the Federation elections. Aaaaaaaaand the Jovian Body Parts. Oh yeah and..
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Clones
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:29:00 -
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I'm going to venture a guess that there might be more details to this in the Empyrean Age book. I'll be reserving final judgment on this until I've had a chance to read it.
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Yann Ephemere
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Yann Ephemere on 13/06/2008 14:36:34
I agree with you that the Imperial Succession story arc -- and indeed, most of the other story arcs -- should not have been held in stasis for so long. Hopefully, however, now that things are moving they will continue to roll at a good pace.
However, I disagree that Sarum's return is miraculous. It's not. Even if there is unequivocal proof that she died (anyone have her corpse?), she could easily be a clone.
"But it's against Amarr scripture!"
Um, yes. So that makes it impossible? You think the power-hungry Sarum, who've been trying to get the throne for over 150 years (see "Theodicy"), are going to let a little thing like religion get in their way? She'll come up with some fast-talking, to be sure, but at the end of the day she's clearly the one holding the reins (see the Heirs' announcement today).
So maybe some of the Amarr get disgruntled about all this. Maybe they start thinking about a coup. Maybe the high priests start talking about replacing the Emperor's throne entirely, putting up an Archbishop in his place...
Any way you look at it, we've got some interesting places to go from here. |
fuze
InfoMorph Services Ltd
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:34:00 -
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50M on this is a CCP fowl.
Bet is on mr Winterblink?
(And its a pretty good reason to buy that book. If it would be up for sale at my fav bookshop that is.) |
Kaylana Syi
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Clones
Heirs aren't allowed to use clones.
The flesh of the Emperor must be pure.
It's in the chronicles.
So the farce that is the Amarrian God and the Royal Court is coming to an end. Deal with it. Let CCP take the story where they want. |
Hardin
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
I'm going to venture a guess that there might be more details to this in the Empyrean Age book. I'll be reserving final judgment on this until I've had a chance to read it.
Indeed there might be...
It better be damn good
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Hardin
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Clones
Heirs aren't allowed to use clones.
The flesh of the Emperor must be pure.
It's in the chronicles.
So the farce that is the Amarrian God and the Royal Court is coming to an end. Deal with it. Let CCP take the story where they want.
Yes I fancy some vampire on vampire action...
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:39:00 -
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This just in: Jamyl (pictured second from left) celebrating with the rest of her friends and advisors.
 Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
When asked about her abrupt return, she replied with a sullen, "braaaaiiins."
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:42:00 -
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so wait, a player won that tournament? who?They should speak up and try to become the new emperor. Join FW and such.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/06/2008 14:45:23
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Clones
Heirs aren't allowed to use clones.
The flesh of the Emperor must be pure.
It's in the chronicles.
So the farce that is the Amarrian God and the Royal Court is coming to an end. Deal with it. Let CCP take the story where they want.
But why bother writing all of the old PF just to throw it out of the window?
And who's to say that they won't just throw out the new PF when they decide that it's also inconvenient?
Why should any of us bother incorporating any of CCP's backstory into our RP when they're going to re-write it when the mood takes them?
The way things are, I may as well have been RPing a hobbit all of these years. It would have made as much sense after all of this ret-conning. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
This just in: Jamyl (pictured second from left) celebrating with the rest of her friends and advisors.
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
When asked about her abrupt return, she replied with a sullen, "braaaaiiins."
Is that Stavros on the right? |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:46:00 -
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also the new filter in the overview for zombies |
Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:48:00 -
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Surely raising from the dead and coming to save the day would be an easy concept thing for Amarrians to accept ... No? |
Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Winterblink on 13/06/2008 14:48:49
Originally by: Rodj Blake
But why bother writing all of the old PF just to throw it out of the window?
And what's to say that they won't just throw out the new PF when they decide that it's also inconvenient?
Why should any of us bother incorporating any of CCP's backstory into our RP when they're going to re-write it when the mood takes them?
The way things are, I may as well have been RPing a hobbit all of these years. It would have made as much sense after all of this ret-conning.
There's a few schools of thought there really. I should preface this with "I'm not a roleplayer". :)
But the way I see it, isn't a dynamic storyline that has twists and turns more interesting than one which always goes along in a direction that's expected? I'm not suggesting it should be completely random, I mean lets hope tomorrow's news doesn't have her head splitting open and small alien man inside tells us he's the one controlling the Empire now. But surely consistent predictability isn't a plus.
Would be like if they started off the first episode of Battlestar Galactica with intro credits showing us exactly who all the cylons are (putting my vote in for Billy being the final one).
Edit: Sheesh, now that you mention it that DOES look a lot like Stav. :D
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Talsha Talamar
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 13/06/2008 14:54:11
I was rather shocked to see this
emperatrix ex machina rise and
vanquish the threat in the most obscure way...
Then I was even more shocked by the fact,
that she was not at once charged with Sacrilege, Heresy and High Treason.
The amarr empire is displayed in lore
as a culture deeply founded in traditions,
that provide it with an unshakable foundation,
but also limit nearly paralyze its development.
Comparisons to the role of the emperor,
that could be drawn from the real world are probably,
the chinese or japanes emperor or the pharaos.
In my eyes the crime of Jamyl,
is from an amarr perspective an incommensurable one,
like seeing someone emptying his bladder
on the kaaba would be for a muslim.
The only explanation I could think of
for the strange reactions of the amarr empire,
would be a total and utter state of shock,
facilitated by both the elder fleet and Jamyls apperance. |
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:54:00 -
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Hell, if you knew that you were going to have to commit ritual suicide in front of people you wouldn't give a toss about the purtity of your flesh, you would have 30 Jump Clones dotted all over 0.0 as there is nothing to lose.
If the other Ritual Suiciders didn't do the same then they deserved to be bio-massed for stupidty. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:59:00 -
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I'm curious how the Theology Council will respond... |
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