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Edge Hill	Posted - 2008.06.14 19:04:00 - [1] Hi all, I'm looking into mission running ships. What (faction) battleship would you use for solo running lvl 3's and 4's (and finishing them in the fastest possible time). I already have the skills to fly all faction bs's and isk is not an issue (bhaalgorn for instance is affordable) Any input would be greatly appreciated!
Lyta Reimalken No Fear Buccaneers	Posted - 2008.06.14 19:09:00 - [2] Nightmare. With Tachs its kciking out nearly 1k dps, its shield tank with a LG crystal set would walk through any lvl 4 id imagine. Of course its more efficient versus Sansha/Blood, but the sheer firepower out the massive distance means no lvl 4 should take long, whatever the enemy :)
Crawler Solar Wind	Posted - 2008.06.14 20:55:00 - [3] a hyperion with speed setup will end a mission very fast. 8 neutron blasters can do alot of damage very fast. and its pretty easy to get the sucker up to 529 m/s _____________________________________________ yawnnnnn
Kuzya Morozov L8L8L8	Posted - 2008.06.14 20:57:00 - [4] Machariel.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.14 20:58:00 - [5] Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Machariel. For lvl 3's, a Domi is your best bet IMO. For lvl 4's, a Nightmare. -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Lego Maniac	Posted - 2008.06.14 21:03:00 - [6] CNR for everything /me ducks
AstroPhobic	Posted - 2008.06.14 21:28:00 - [7] Level 4s will be a nightmare. Level 3s... Domi? Maybe a geddon with some uber tracking gear and a set or two of mediums. Typhoon may not be bad either, with an AB, sensor booster, autos cruise and drones. I'm not sure. I'd say the harbinger (Heavy Beams) would do any of them faster than a BS.
KingOzar Brute Strength THORN Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.14 21:30:00 - [8] If you want to AFK any lvl 4, get a Domi.
AstroPhobic	Posted - 2008.06.14 21:33:00 - [9] Edited by: AstroPhobic on 14/06/2008 21:32:54 Originally by: OP running lvl 3's and 4's (and finishing them in the fastest possible time). Originally by: KingOzar If you want to AFK any lvl 4, get a Domi.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.06.14 22:11:00 - [10] Originally by: AstroPhobic Edited by: AstroPhobic on 14/06/2008 21:32:54 Originally by: OP running lvl 3's and 4's (and finishing them in the fastest possible time). Originally by: KingOzar If you want to AFK any lvl 4, get a Domi. Well, for level 3s a Domi may possibly be the fastest ship in the game, AFK or not. As for 4s... um, no. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Clueless Alt	Posted - 2008.06.14 22:36:00 - [11] Paladin running sansha mission.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.14 22:43:00 - [12] Originally by: Lego Maniac CNR for everything /me ducks Easy but dull. I view missioning as the high-sec equivalent of mining Arkanor. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Zaran Darkstar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.14 23:56:00 - [13] Edited by: Zaran Darkstar on 15/06/2008 00:05:03 It really depends on what race agent you chose. There is actually not a best BS for every mission. There just are some better than others and some who do ok in a variety of mission types. The Nightmare Although the Nightmare looks very good on paper it suffers from certain issues for example it's tank is more suitable for angels/guristas but it's weapons more suitable for Sansha/Blood. Meaning is that if you go to do Guristas/Angels missions with it you ll have trouble in attack while if you prefer the Sansha/Blood you will have trouble in defence in some missions. Therefore for Sansha/Blood the Apocalypse Navy issue is a better option since it armor tanks and it's dps although less are very valid and the extra range helps to actually do much more dps compaired to what EFT might show you. The Machariel Since the Machariel uses Artilleries and is actually a Tempest with an extra low slot and a tracking bonus is more suited to tank Sansha/Blood but its weak in offence against them. If you go to do missions against Angel/guristas it will do much better in offence but may have some trouble with tanking as it will have problem with PG or Cpu to fit right. There is a recipy to make it right but still you may have to use both Arties and missiles a "feature" which personaly i dislike. Perhaps you could fit it with autocannons since its reasonably fast but i ve never tried a mission with ACs so far so i don't know if it would be a valid alternative. Well all in all the Maelstorm is better in defence against Angels/gurista and valid in offence but i think the tracking bonus and the speed features and cool looks of the Machariel make it a slightly better option if you are after Angels Vindicator/Megathron Navy Issue Vindicator is a nice ship but it's just a Megathron with an extra mid. The mwd bonus goes wasted in PvE. I would prefer Megathron navy issue to this one. Since it offers an extra low. For me Extra low > Extra mid for PvE on an armor tanker. I would prefer the Dominix though since it gives good firepower even from just the guns and of course the powerful drones make it very versatile except some gurista missions where your drones may get agroed. Raven Navy Issue/Rattlesnake Raven Navy Issue/Rattlesnake are not so good despite all these guys claiming they are the best the easiest ships etc. They are missile boats but Some of their missiles get wasted due to defenders. It's the easiest ship to do missions if you have no idea how to track correctly. If that is not your case you are far better with something else. With cruiser missiles the damage is mediorce but you can passive tank it with good results. With torps is very good in offence but you need to approach and in the meantime your tank could break (can't passive tank a torp Rattlesnake). You ll have some problem with the npc /frigatecruiser ships either you go Torps or Cruiser missiles (but torps are worse) if too many of them especialy in missions where your drones get aggroed. I d say that you have 3 choices. 1. Go do missions for Amarrian agents with an Apocalypse Navy issue 2. Do missions fot Caldari or Gallente agents with a Megathron Navy or a Dominix 3. Do missions for Minmatar agents using a Machariel or Maelstorm
Zaran Darkstar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.15 02:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Clueless Alt Paladin running sansha mission. And yeah if we can include Marauders then of course Paladin for Sansha/Blood is superb as is Kronos for all the rest. (Vargur sucks and i don't like the missile boats aka Golem although with the special bonus it has it may worth it especially if one doesn't know how to track well)
Neirti EQE Echelon.	Posted - 2008.06.15 03:59:00 - [15] ive used a dominix for all lvl 4s and i have yet to have any problem with it. just know your agros and such and watch your drones and your fine. Neirti
Segge Bolled Rainy Day Industries	Posted - 2008.06.15 05:46:00 - [16] Nightmare, for L4's in general. It is simply awesome and I burn through Sansha and Blood missions much, much faster than my CNR ever could. Originally by: Zaran Darkstar Although the Nightmare looks very good on paper it suffers from certain issues for example it's tank is more suitable for angels/guristas but it's weapons more suitable for Sansha/Blood. Meaning is that if you go to do Guristas/Angels missions with it you ll have trouble in attack while if you prefer the Sansha/Blood you will have trouble in defence in some missions. Therefore for Sansha/Blood the Apocalypse Navy issue is a better option since it armor tanks it has far better cap and it's dps although less are very valid and the extra range helps to actually do much more dps compaired to what EFT might show you. Yes ... and no? Do you fly this ship (Nightmare) very often? It tanks and burns Angels fairly well, but on Angel Extravaganza I prefer to remove my (TS) Tachyon Beams and replace them with (AN) Mega Pulse, as the Angels seem to like to roll up close, fast and under my effective range for Tachyon Beams. I seem to burn through them fairly quickly all the same. As for Sansha/Blood, a good deal of your tanking ability isn't based in your middle slots, it is how quickly you'll sunder these guys. You'll usually want to keep an eye on it and a low-grade Crystal set will help you of course, but provided you're not in a horridly lagged system which'll delay showing you where your HP really is, the fact you'll be slaughtering these NPC's should make up for any slight deficiencies in tanking them. In fact, last night I helped a friend run Pirate Invasion (v.s. Sansha) when he was having trouble in his (T2) CNR. He warped in again first, but I drew more aggression and he was amazed at how quickly I killed it and then picked off the ships still attacking him. I haven't really done anything which is heavily Guristas/Serpentis yet, but I am looking forward to my next run of WC. Oh, and you'll rip apart Rogue Drones, of course. All around, I'm very, very happy with the Nightmare and have since sold my CNR as I won't be needing it anymore.
Falcon Troy State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.15 07:06:00 - [17] Edited by: Falcon Troy on 15/06/2008 07:08:41 The horse has been beaten so many times. It's been proven that a Dominix CAN out perform a Raven in missions and get it done faster. You just can't beat it's sheer versatility for missions. Not to mention the sheer wonder of AFK missioning is really just amazing. _____________ Hai.
Nuthyn	Posted - 2008.06.15 11:16:00 - [18] So.... What would you build a Domi like to do lvl 4 missions???
Leviathan9 Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.15 13:01:00 - [19] Domi can perma tank pretty much all lvl4s accept for ones against Angel rats. ----------------------------
Nuthyn	Posted - 2008.06.15 13:19:00 - [20] When you say perma tank, you mean armor tank right?? Any suggested builds?
Falcon Troy State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.15 17:24:00 - [21] Dual 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun I [Antimatter] Dual 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun I [Antimatter] Dual 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun I [Antimatter] Dual 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun I [Antimatter] Dual 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun I [Antimatter] Drone Link Augmenter I Capacitor Recharger II Capacitor Recharger II Capacitor Recharger II Capacitor Recharger II Capacitor Recharger II Damage Control II Large Armor Repair II Large Armor Repair II Rat-Specific Hardener II Rat-Specific Hardener II Rat-Specific Hardener II Rat-Specific Hardener II [Capacitor Control Circuit I] [Capacitor Control Circuit I] [Capacitor Control Circuit I] 5 x Ogre II 10 x Hammerhead II 5 x Hobgoblin II 5 x Warden II Or Garde II _____________ Hai.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.15 17:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Falcon Troy Dual 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun I [Antimatter] Dual 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun I [Antimatter] Dual 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun I [Antimatter] Dual 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun I [Antimatter] Dual 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun I [Antimatter] Drone Link Augmenter I Capacitor Recharger II Capacitor Recharger II Capacitor Recharger II Capacitor Recharger II Capacitor Recharger II Damage Control II Large Armor Repair II Large Armor Repair II Rat-Specific Hardener II Rat-Specific Hardener II Rat-Specific Hardener II Rat-Specific Hardener II [Capacitor Control Circuit I] [Capacitor Control Circuit I] [Capacitor Control Circuit I] 5 x Ogre II 10 x Hammerhead II 5 x Hobgoblin II 5 x Warden II Or Garde II TBH, I'd fit alot more gank onto my Domi if I were going into L3's... -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Shereza	Posted - 2008.06.15 17:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Zaran Darkstar The Machariel Since the Machariel uses Artilleries and is actually a Tempest with an extra low slot and a tracking bonus is more suited to tank Sansha/Blood but its weak in offence against them. If you go to do missions against Angel/guristas it will do much better in offence but may have some trouble with tanking as it will have problem with PG or Cpu to fit right. There is a recipy to make it right but still you may have to use both Arties and missiles a "feature" which personaly i dislike. Perhaps you could fit it with autocannons since its reasonably fast but i ve never tried a mission with Large ACs so far so i don't know if it would be a valid alternative. Well all in all the Maelstorm is better in defence against Angels/gurista and valid in offence but i think the tracking bonus and the speed features and cool looks of the Machariel make it a slightly better option if you are after Angels Quote: Honestly, the machariel can tank armor or shield quite well. In fact in some instances it can passive shield tank sansha rats better than it can armor tank them, that instance being if you use 4 armor hardeners instead of 3 and a gyro. As for using large ACs in L4s on the machariel, the machariel's fast enough by base speed to make them usable but it's still crawling slow without an afterburner. In my opinion, you have 2.5 routes for the machariel in L4 missions. #1 Passive shield tank: Max out your tank. You'll suffer (quite a bit) on the DPS side but even against EM/thermal damage you'll be quite immune, and if you do a 100% passive tank (no hardeners) you won't get into trouble against blood raiders. I do this, personally, and while it's not as fast as other setups (in terms of doing missions) it gets them done and I've very rarely run the risk of losing the ship. You can drop your tank a bit and fit an AB and use autocannons to boost your DPS but I'd recommend against this if you're doing blood missions (cap warfare) or your ability to manage your cap sucks. #2 3xCCC tank: A) Armor: Standard armor tank, dual rep, hardeners, AB, autocannons. B) Shield: This setup has some truly not-fun CPU issues if you use an XL booster. Using a T2 CPU enhancer I didn't have enough CPU to put a Gyro II in my last low slot. Good thing dread guristas CPUs are cheap. This setup would probably work better with artillery since you, probably, won't have the mid slot for an afterburner, however... With the 3x CCC tank you can basically use armor for EM, shield for EX, and whatever you want for everything else. The best of both worlds in a sense, and one I might very well switch to when I get bored with the novelty of a massive passive shield tank (nearly 1600 DPS max tank against serpentis/guristas, 1300ish normal tank). ____________________ Minmatar in Fantasy or Duct Tape Goes Medieval.
Falcon Troy State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.15 18:06:00 - [24] Edited by: Falcon Troy on 15/06/2008 18:06:47 Originally by: Liang Nuren TBH, I'd fit alot more gank onto my Domi if I were going into L3's... -Liang He asked for a build and the title has L3 AND L4. If he wants more gank for L3s I assumed he's smart enough to adjust my build and drop a few hardners and a repper for magstabs. _____________ Hai.
Zaran Darkstar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.16 15:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Shereza ....... You are right. Good points. _______________________________ Join the biggest Minmatar Corp! www.BrutorTribe.com
Zaran Darkstar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.16 15:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Segge Bolled Yes ... and no? Do you fly this ship (Nightmare) very often? Never found a good bargain for it Quote: It tanks and burns Angels fairly well, but on Angel Extravaganza I prefer to remove my (TS) Tachyon Beams and replace them with (AN) Mega Pulse, as the Angels seem to like to roll up close, fast and under my effective range for Tachyon Beams. I seem to burn through them fairly quickly all the same. I just switch to my Maelstorm for Angels. With Fusion L it works miracles and tank is solid. Quote: As for Sansha/Blood, a good deal of your tanking ability isn't based in your middle slots, it is how quickly you'll sunder these guys. You'll usually want to keep an eye on it and a low-grade Crystal set will help you of course, but provided you're not in a horridly lagged system which'll delay showing you where your HP really is, the fact you'll be slaughtering these NPC's should make up for any slight deficiencies in tanking them. I do Sansha/blood with my Apocalypse. Worse DPs but much more solid tank. Maybe i am just overcautious but i wouldn;t feel comfortable to go after Sanshas into an 1 billion shield tanker that it's cap will last for 3 minutes. In fact, last night I helped a friend run Pirate Invasion (v.s. Sansha) when he was having trouble in his (T2) CNR. He warped in again first, but I drew more aggression and he was amazed at how quickly I killed it and then picked off the ships still attacking him. I haven't really done anything which is heavily Guristas/Serpentis yet, but I am looking forward to my next run of WC. Oh, and you'll rip apart Rogue Drones, of course. All around, I'm very, very happy with the Nightmare and have since sold my CNR as I won't be needing it anymore. I am generally more inclined to the logic "better safe than sorry" especially on an 1 billion ship. I believe you if you say that killing them fast is a good defencive mean. There are just some cases where you can't start melt them immediatly like when you got many TDs on you. But it must be very amusing to deal the huge DPS nightmare does. Probably i would get a Paladin if i had the funds and sps though.Similar DPS more solid tank vs Sanshas. But your points are good. _______________________________ Join the biggest Minmatar Corp! www.BrutorTribe.com
MuffinsRevenger EmpiresMod Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:31:00 - [27] The nightmare is a monster, and while i haven't flown the mach/mega or it's brothers, i can say from flying most of the others that it's about the most efficent missionrunning boat avaible, short of the maraders (tracktorbeamz!)
Calvin Okone LSP Industries	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:55:00 - [28] Edited by: Calvin Okone on 16/06/2008 17:56:38 The Dominix config up above is the one I use to solo L4's with ease. In fact once you have your armor comp skills up it is possible to just aggro everything, turn on you reppers and hardeners and walk away - letting your drones have fun. I think if you are going to do the Domi configuration you have to have armor comp skills mastered its a basic requirement. Sometimes i replace the guns with tractors and salvagers with 2 drone augmenters (so sentries can engage at range) and just stroll around collecting the loot while the sentries wipe out the targets. I think I use the kinetic ones for that. If I am in a hurry I can drop one of the Cap Rechargers for a 10MN AB. But I think I ran into cap problems if I tried to run both reppers at once.
Somerled MacDhommal	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:09:00 - [29] the dom listed above is what i use, except i dont have any guns except for a peashooter to agro. My weaponry is my ogres, and in my high slots i have TB's and salvagers.
Arestane	Posted - 2008.06.16 19:33:00 - [30] I use only Maelstrom with some backup from a Raven if it's a longer mission. Mael tanks like a madman and puts out some nice DPS as well, T2 drones are of course a good asset as Medium ones eat Amarr battleships for lunch all by themselves Most of the Angel missions are too easy: warp in, let it rip with the 800ACs and salvage some tasty trit bars.

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