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Lucious Desire
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Posted - 2008.06.14 22:21:00 -
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Is there any way to prevent a director or CEO from looking in my hanger, and what's the purpose of this? Talk about a major drawback of a reason for joining a corporation.
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Dosgar
Rude Boys
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.14 22:30:00 -
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To see if people are stealing things?
Anything you don't want visible, contract to an alt and have them place it in their hangar. If they're not in the corp, it can't be seen in their hangar. However, people can check your contracts to check what you're contracting to people (though I think 'private' contracts prevent this).
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Lucious Desire
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Posted - 2008.06.14 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Lucious Desire on 14/06/2008 23:00:11
To see if your stealing??? Can they pull stuff out of my hanger then?
Also, CCP should put this in big bold red when people sign up for a corp.
Like I said earlier, I definitely don't want to be part of a corp now.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.06.14 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 14/06/2008 23:02:25
The corresponding role is "security officer", everybody having it can look around in everybody else's hangar.
You can do this only at stations your corp has an office in.
And you can only LOOK at contents, or add something, but you can not take anything away from it.
Whatever you want "invisible", just shove it in a can.
Nobody but you can view its contents while it's in your hangar, and only you can move it away from your hangar to the corp hangar.
The 1,000,000 m^3 station cans are ideal for this, since you could place just about anything inside.
And they're nice for organizing stuff, since there's a hard limit of 1000 item instances in a hangar, so if you have more, you will NEED cans.
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Lucious Desire
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Posted - 2008.06.14 23:02:00 -
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Akita, OMG thank you for answering this question. What a major drawback to joining a corporation, but as long as there's a method to prevent people from looking at what I have...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.06.14 23:04:00 -
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I still have trouble understanding what the problem is... what if your CEO, directors and security officers see what you have in your hangar ?
Not like you'd need to hide something from them in there.
And if you wanted to, you could, so, even less of a problem.
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2008.06.14 23:08:00 -
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You probably want to be a little practical here - if they don't have any suspicions, they're not going to look.
Failing that, your other options are:
- Use an Audit/Secure container with a password and put your stuff in there. If they don't have the password, they can't look.
- (or) Store your stuff in a station that doesn't have a corporation office, then they can't see into your hangar.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:31:00 -
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and the drawback of that is?
I find it to be more of an advantage as I can open up someones hanger and just drop something into it rather than use a contract, or trade.
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Lucious Desire
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:32:00 -
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One problem I have with my CEO's looking into my hanger, is that I trade for income. I don't want them to know what I'm trading. There is no record of them going through my stuff. It's the same as if you Mom or Wife or Girlfriend started going through you room and things. Why shouldn't they be allowed to root through your stuff? It isn't like you've got something to hide is it?
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Lucious Desire
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:35:00 -
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and chainsaw, I don't have a problem with my CEO dropping things in my hanger, but if I have zero rights in my corporation, no rights at all, I don' think the CEO's AND Directors should have rights to my hanger.
Like I said in my original post. To some people this is a huge drawback to joining a corporation.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2008.06.15 13:04:00 -
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When I'm not in my own corporation, I usually base myself out of a station where the corp I'm in has no office. That's only useful to prevent people from looking in your hangar, it's also quite handy when you're in a war and the corps HQ/offices get camped or watched.
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Athar Mu
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.15 14:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Lucious Desire
It isn't like you've got something to hide, is it?
And on the other hand, if you don't want them to see then you must have something to hide? You are worrying over nothing, they can't take anything from your hanger and as long as you are not stealing from corp then it won't make a difference whether they can see what you have. And to be perfectly honest I have never heard of a director taking advantage of this (how they could I really don't know!?)
Like everyone said there are ways round this, the best one is anything you really don't want your directors to be able to see (still not sure what your worried about) store in another station in the system that your corp doesn't have an office it and you are set.
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MarleWH
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Posted - 2008.06.15 23:02:00 -
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If this is your attitude, I don't know why anyone would want you in their corp at all.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.06.15 23:19:00 -
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They can't take anything, they can only look. And it only applies to stations where you have a corporate office.
Furthermore, they can't look into containers. Use containers.
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kingme
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Posted - 2008.06.16 10:00:00 -
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Most corps have over 20 members and the directors are: a. Too busy
or b. Not sad enough to look into members hangers. Your causing negative attention on yourself bother by even worrying about it. Stop complaining already.
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Matalino
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.16 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lucious Desire
One problem I have with my CEO's looking into my hanger, is that I trade for income. I don't want them to know what I'm trading.
Are you trading at the same station where your corp has an office?
If they don't have an office there, then they don't have access to view the contents of your hanger.
Besides, you have already trusted these people with your life. If they wanted to screw you over, they wouldn't start out bidding you, they would wait for you to undock then rob you completely. 
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Bleeshtar
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Posted - 2008.06.16 15:57:00 -
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Me thinks thou protests to much!
Something to hide?
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lucious Desire
Is there any way to prevent a director or CEO from looking in my hanger, and what's the purpose of this? Talk about a major drawback of a reason for joining a corporation.
Even given that there have been very legitimate and informative replies to this thread, I feel as a philosopher that inevitable desire to explore the ethical dilemma you are arguing.
So I had a whole scenario laid out, but I decided to forgo all of that for two simple questions:
- Question 1 - Exactly how would a CEO exploit you through his access to view the contents of your private hangar in corporate offices?
- Question 2 - If you cannot trust the CEO to only view your private hangar when given permission to do so, why should you be granted access to corporate hangars and resources?
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Jojo Redana
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Posted - 2008.06.17 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mendolus
- Question 1 - Exactly how would a CEO exploit you through his access to view the contents of your private hangar in corporate offices?
- Question 2 - If you cannot trust the CEO to only view your private hangar when given permission to do so, why should you be granted access to corporate hangars and resources?
Same questions. What CEO or directors are hiding from me, i can't view their hangar? It's same thing no matter how you look into it. There's plenty of situations where corp might be trying to abuse a newbie players or corp is playing a scam agaist players.
Corp is protected but single player is not.
To the second question. CEO/directors can grant access to corp hangar. A player can't control who's watching his/her hangar. Think about some 100bil worth of stuff in your hangar and your "not so trusted" director is wathing your stuffs and drooling. There's several ways to exploit that info.
Yes i do trust my CEO but the OP's question is valid.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.17 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Mendolus on 17/06/2008 13:23:22
Originally by: Jojo Redana
Same questions. What CEO or directors are hiding from me, i can't view their hangar? It's same thing no matter how you look into it. There's plenty of situations where corp might be trying to abuse a newbie players or corp is playing a scam agaist players.
Corp is protected but single player is not.
To the second question. CEO/directors can grant access to corp hangar. A player can't control who's watching his/her hangar. Think about some 100bil worth of stuff in your hangar and your "not so trusted" director is wathing your stuffs and drooling. There's several ways to exploit that info.
Yes i do trust my CEO but the OP's question is valid.
And yet still, if the member cannot trust the CEO, little reason exists for the CEO to trust the member. Moot point. You see this right? As a member of a corporation, you sign on to participate in and have responsibilities within a public sphere. In doing so, you wave certain rights, such as the rights to have a totally opaque private hangar within a corps office. Buy a secure can, or an audit log station container, they cost all of 50-150k. Who keeps 100bil worth of junk just laying around on the top level of a private hangar in a corps office anyways knowing that the CEO would be able to view them if he were sneaky? Buy some security, it's really not that hard. It's no different than the CEO or ranked officers in corps placing audit log containers in public corps hangars to protect valuable resources from individual members that have access to that hangar, but should not necessarily have access to all the goods contained therein.
It's quite simple really. All this whining about a game mechanic that can be resolved with some spare change and a little extra work. CEOs do it all the time, why should the members not? Protect your investments, when given the ability to do so. It's no one else's fault but your own if you put 100bil worth of materials at the top level of your hangar in a corps office and are too lazy to blow 150k to buy an audit log container to store it in and your CEO actually tries to exploit you for it. The same way it's the CEO's fault if he puts 100bil of resources in a public hangar without putting them in an audit log container and a member exploits the knowledge such as setting up a mercenary hit when the materials are hauled. Works both ways.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.06.17 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Mendolus
It's no different than the CEO or ranked officers in corps placing audit log containers in public corps hangars to protect valuable resources from individual members that have access to that hangar, but should not necessarily have access to all the goods contained therein
Note that this does not work. At all.
CEOs would be fools to try this.
Individual players have much better protection than corporations.
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Lucious Desire
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Posted - 2008.06.17 19:05:00 -
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One of the first lesson's in Eve to learn is, don't trust anyone with things that are important to you. "Friends" have a way of back stabbing you along with corpmates.
I have zero rights to look into my corp's hanger as I previously stated.
Several good posts to this topic have been made. The rest all assume I'm up to no good because I don't want someone to root through my stuff. All those people that have no cares about people looking at their stuff are the first ones to complain that "big brother" is listening in on their phone conversations. A question to you... Wouldn't you mind if your boss started going through your desk at work? It isn't like they're going to take something, is it? If "a friend" comes over to your house and starts going through your stuff, are you cool with that? Geewiz, it's not like he's going to take something, is it?
I have started using the can method. It's a pain in the neck, but whatever.
By the way, what kicked this all off was a security officer was drunk and going through everyone's stuff laughing about it on TS. It kind-of made me mad. Others didn't really care. I'm looking for a different corp.
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Lucious Desire
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Posted - 2008.06.17 19:11:00 -
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Also, to all those that have asked, Yes, I do have things to hide. ALL MY STUFF. I don't want anyone to see any of it except me.
As I stated in the original post, HUGE DRAWBACK TO CORP LIFE!!! and nowhere, at least that I can find, does it tell you this anywhere in the player guide.
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Bleeshtar
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Posted - 2008.06.17 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lucious Desire
first ones to complain that "big brother" is listening in on their phone conversations.
Not really besides if they want to listen to me ask my wife whats for dinner who gives a ****.
Originally by: Lucious Desire
A question to you... Wouldn't you mind if your boss started going through your desk at work?
Again... Help yourself the scissors are in the bottom drawer.
Originally by: Lucious Desire
By the way, what kicked this all off was a security officer was drunk and going through everyone's stuff laughing about it on TS. It kind-of made me mad. Others didn't really care. I'm looking for a different corp.
Now thats a completly different matter. Why dident you just say that in the first place.
I dont mind my Boss / Coworkers going through my desk but if they pulled out some pictures of my wife and started saying what an ugly pig she was that would be a different story.
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Lucious Desire
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Lucious Desire on 17/06/2008 20:16:19
Bleeshtar, I think you're not telling the whole truth here. It's truly hard for me to believe you wouldn't find offense in people looking through your desk, listening to your phone calls, or rummaging through your stuff... Even if they didn't take anything. You seem to be full of bravado in this post, but I'd bet 50 isk, if you went into work tomorrow and your boss said that your not suppose to have that bottle of aspirin in your third drawer down in your desk and why do you have so many plastic bags in your bottom drawer, first thing you'd be thinking is "How the heck does he know I have aspirin and bags in my desk? That jerkie's been going through my stuff!"
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Bleeshtar
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Bleeshtar on 17/06/2008 20:24:49
Not worth really debating.
Why? because first of all again I have nothing to hide and secondly as said before my boss has a modicum of respect and wouldent do such a thing.
Which evidently is more than we can say for your security officer.
You have misrepresented the pretense of this thread. If you had made the point that the corp mate was spewing your crap on the street for all to see from the onset it would have been different.
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Mendolus on 17/06/2008 20:45:08
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Mendolus
It's no different than the CEO or ranked officers in corps placing audit log containers in public corps hangars to protect valuable resources from individual members that have access to that hangar, but should not necessarily have access to all the goods contained therein
Note that this does not work. At all.
CEOs would be fools to try this.
Individual players have much better protection than corporations.
I understand individual players do indeed have better protection, but what do you mean it doesn't work at all?
An audit log station container has a volume of like 1,000,000,000m3. I was under the impression that as long as you don't give members take or container access to various hangars but do give them view access, that you can still hide certain contents from them in the hangar the same way an individual member would hide private hangar contents at a corps office from a CEO?
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Mendolus on 17/06/2008 20:51:44
Originally by: Lucious Desire
Edited by: Lucious Desire on 17/06/2008 20:16:19
Bleeshtar, I think you're not telling the whole truth here. It's truly hard for me to believe you wouldn't find offense in people looking through your desk, listening to your phone calls, or rummaging through your stuff... Even if they didn't take anything. You seem to be full of bravado in this post, but I'd bet 50 isk, if you went into work tomorrow and your boss said that your not suppose to have that bottle of aspirin in your third drawer down in your desk and why do you have so many plastic bags in your bottom drawer, first thing you'd be thinking is "How the heck does he know I have aspirin and bags in my desk? That jerkie's been going through my stuff!"
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You do realize of course that your employer is legally liable for any contents you bring to work and they have every right to view, monitor, restrict, confiscate, or ban any materials you possess while in the work environment? So long as the materials are not illegal or against the NDAs and various legal stipulations you signed when you agreed to work for that employer, and you are not facing criminal or civil liabilities, you will be asked to pick the materials up on your way out of the work, and to not bring them back into the building again.
Do you not understand these basic business fundamentals?
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:54:00 -
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So, why did you join this corp again? Seems like a crappy corp. And, I don't know what the ISK value of the stuff you're trading is, but if you have stuff to hide, don't join a corp.
As far as analogies go, it's less like the boss going through your work desk, and more like RL companies forcing you to reveal your address, SSN, driver license number, and your medical history, if you want to work there.
But, anyway, it doesn't matter. Most corporations in EVE are operated at a loss (if that's the right phrase), once you join the corp, you're making less personal wealth than you could have solo. You donate your time or some of your cash, and there are taxes, and for no returns most of the time. The good corps provide stuff that you can't get solo: access to lowsec or 0.0, PVP buddies and targets, or if it's just friends that they provide, then it's good quality people.
Your current corp sounds like crap, and your chosen profession (trading) is best done as a solo activity. So, don't know why you joined.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.06.17 21:29:00 -
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Lucious, just keep all your stuff at a different station from the one your corporation's office is in. For example, keep all your stuff at the Rens Brutor Tribe Treasury. Your corp will probably never be able to afford an office there, even if there were any available.
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