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Fi Khan phantom08	Posted - 2008.06.15 15:41:00 - [1] Are they in cahoots? Getting kickbacks perhaps? Nothing is ever done. You would think after the years EVE has been up, there would be SOME SORT of protection or ANYTHING to combat them. So far the only thing that can be done is file a petition and wait for CCP to delete it. Fly safe.
Lithalnas Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.06.15 15:47:00 - [2] actually CCP waits to get a list together and then ban entire operations, 200+ accounts in one downtime. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Sikozu Prioris Suns Of Korhal deadspace society	Posted - 2008.06.15 15:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Fi Khan Are they in cahoots? Getting kickbacks perhaps? Nothing is ever done. You would think after the years EVE has been up, there would be SOME SORT of protection or ANYTHING to combat them. So far the only thing that can be done is file a petition and wait for CCP to delete it. Just because you arnt seeing anything been done doesnt mean they arnt doing anything. Its far better for ccp to slowly investigate isk selling rings so that only isk sellers get banned and not legitimate players. Banning an entire operation of 10's or 100's of accounts is far better then slowly banning connections off one by one. Once the account is suspected to be a isk seller, better to let it continue for a while so it can lead ccp to their other accounts. Lol
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.15 15:51:00 - [4] hey this reminds me, it's been a few weeks since the last forum flurry of butt-hurt tearfully tragic complaints from ISK buyers. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Emily Spankratchet Pragmatics	Posted - 2008.06.15 18:16:00 - [5] Originally by: Fi Khan Are they in cahoots? Getting kickbacks perhaps? Nothing is ever done. In a similar vein, I'd just like to claim that bears don't exist. I've never seen one. Ergo, they cannot exist. Why does nobody do anything about the bears?
Empire marketslave Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.06.15 18:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Sikozu Prioris Originally by: Fi Khan Are they in cahoots? Getting kickbacks perhaps? Nothing is ever done. You would think after the years EVE has been up, there would be SOME SORT of protection or ANYTHING to combat them. So far the only thing that can be done is file a petition and wait for CCP to delete it. Just because you arnt seeing anything been done doesnt mean they arnt doing anything. Its far better for ccp to slowly investigate isk selling rings so that only isk sellers get banned and not legitimate players. Banning an entire operation of 10's or 100's of accounts is far better then slowly banning connections off one by one. Once the account is suspected to be a isk seller, better to let it continue for a while so it can lead ccp to their other accounts. QFT Think about it, if you ban one at a time the others will still have isk to get timecards, have developed charaters to keep thier operation running and it would be a minor inconvience. where if you ban 100 people it shuts them down for a month. Also if they said what they were doing to stop it it would make it harder to do
Kobushi OCForums	Posted - 2008.06.15 18:37:00 - [7] To the OP what have YOU done to assist in the hunt for macro??? it's not easy to monitor the hundreds of thousands of accounts to catch a specific type of transaction. CCP can't solo the push and hope for 100% and immidiate results, CCP can do it only if the playerbase assist in the venture. reporting marco might not get them off your favorite mining/missioning spot by next DT but in a month time ccp might have prevented thousands of billions from being farmed/sold. To the health of the game and the economic it makes way more sense to catch the entire farmer ring then to ban a few macro and make you feel fuzzy inside.
My Julutschka Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.15 19:20:00 - [8] on a publishers side of view...every macro farmer/miner/whatever still has to pay the monthly fee right?
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2008.06.15 19:25:00 - [9] The same reason they drop you in Stacmon when you petition stuck in Jita as Caldari Militia... to screw real players.
kworld modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.06.15 19:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Fi Khan Are they in cahoots? Getting kickbacks perhaps? Nothing is ever done. You would think after the years EVE has been up, there would be SOME SORT of protection or ANYTHING to combat them. So far the only thing that can be done is file a petition and wait for CCP to delete it. CCP will never do anything about it because the macro farmers are what keeps the eve market going believe it or not.
Kaar Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.15 20:09:00 - [11] Originally by: My Julutschka on a publishers side of view...every macro farmer/miner/whatever still has to pay the monthly fee right? And those 5000 or so farmers are a significant income for small company like CCP. --- ---

CCP RyanD C C P	Posted - 2008.06.15 20:19:00 - [12] Crossposted for reference.

Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.06.15 20:25:00 - [13] OP just got OWNED! Bolt italic underline at the very LEAST! Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming
flashfreaking LFC Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.06.15 21:00:00 - [14] This is Forum Win of the day :lol: Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.15 21:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Malcanis hey this reminds me, it's been a few weeks since the last forum flurry of butt-hurt tearfully tragic complaints from ISK buyers. Conveniently enough, shortly after you posted, we got this
Cpt Jagermeister Aliastra	Posted - 2008.06.15 22:36:00 - [16] Edited by: Cpt Jagermeister on 15/06/2008 22:36:58 Someone go buy some isk and send it to this guy. Maybe when he gets banned he'll understand why they take their time with these things. :P I'm joking of course. Personally i think they're doing a good job.
Chzandri	Posted - 2008.06.15 22:51:00 - [17] CCP is constantly ruining ISK sellers' business. They take ISK away from buyers who will then think twice about buying ISK again, especially from the same website. I have also added some ISK farmers I petitioned to my addressbook and guess what, some of them never come online any more. You think they just stopped playing their accounts? How can you say that "Nothing is ever done"? Except if you want to troll of course.
Lithalnas Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.06.16 06:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Chzandri CCP is constantly ruining ISK sellers' business. They take ISK away from buyers who will then think twice about buying ISK again, especially from the same website. I have also added some ISK farmers I petitioned to my addressbook and guess what, some of them never come online any more. You think they just stopped playing their accounts? How can you say that "Nothing is ever done"? Except if you want to troll of course. i too like to laugh at people who actually have the nerve to complain when their bought isk gets taken. But i would like to see CCP put up a running tally of isk removed/farmers banned. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
bingxhiao	Posted - 2008.06.16 08:48:00 - [19] CCP don't like people who can sell ISK for cheaper than CCP do, that's all. They're happy to take money off them, and money off players, but they will not be happy if the players, and the sellers, do business without CCP taking a cut. Anything else they say on the subject is just bull ****.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.16 08:49:00 - [20] Originally by: bingxhiao CCP don't like people who can sell ISK for cheaper than CCP do, that's all. They're happy to take money off them, and money off players, but they will not be happy if the players, and the sellers, do business without CCP taking a cut. Anything else they say on the subject is just bull ****. Yeah totally I mean injecting isk into the economy, scaming players, stealing credit card numbers. No no that's all BS, I mean CCP must be saying these things because they are evil.
Major Death Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.16 08:54:00 - [21] Edited by: Major Death on 16/06/2008 08:56:27 Quote: CCP don't like people who can sell ISK for cheaper than CCP do, that's all. They're happy to take money off them, and money off players, but they will not be happy if the players, and the sellers, do business without CCP taking a cut. Anything else they say on the subject is just bull ****. Sounds like the words of a pharmer/macro'er/isk buyer who's starting to feel the pinch. Not to suggest that you are any of those things.
Gojyu Ever Flow	Posted - 2008.06.16 08:56:00 - [22] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: bingxhiao CCP don't like people who can sell ISK for cheaper than CCP do, that's all. They're happy to take money off them, and money off players, but they will not be happy if the players, and the sellers, do business without CCP taking a cut. Anything else they say on the subject is just bull ****. Yeah totally I mean injecting isk into the economy, scaming players, stealing credit card numbers. No no that's all BS, I mean CCP must be saying these things because they are evil. Or possibly because isk sellers are ccp's primary competitor when it comes to rmt. Every sale of isk to a player is another few bucks out of ccp's pocket, but sure they have your well being as their primary concern . I dunno, I just have a hard time believing that there's a buisness out there that steals your credit card info through paypal, hacks accounts and obviously has enough repeat business to remain in a job . Yes isk selling is bad, but the way to stop it isn't by making bs claims about how every isk seller is after your soul
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.16 09:01:00 - [23] Edited by: MotherMoon on 16/06/2008 09:02:57 Originally by: Gojyu Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: bingxhiao CCP don't like people who can sell ISK for cheaper than CCP do, that's all. They're happy to take money off them, and money off players, but they will not be happy if the players, and the sellers, do business without CCP taking a cut. Anything else they say on the subject is just bull **. Yeah totally I mean injecting isk into the economy, scaming players, stealing credit card numbers. No no that's all BS, I mean CCP must be saying these things because they are evil. Or possibly because isk sellers are ccp's primary competitor when it comes to rmt. Every sale of isk to a player is another few bucks out of ccp's pocket, but sure they have your well being as their primary concern . I dunno, I just have a hard time believing that there's a buisness out there that steals your credit card info through paypal, hacks accounts and obviously has enough repeat business to remain in a job . Yes isk selling is bad, but the way to stop it isn't by making bs claims about how every isk seller is after your soul no they aren't after your soul :P just YOUR MONEY! but really, most isk selling companies go under fast, there are about 400 of them all selling stuff and a lot close in a months time, you haver to be careful. sure some sites don't scam people.. well they kind of do since they tell you it's ok with CCP, but other than that most isk selling sites and gold and stuff are pure scams. some are well known and trusted though but like any inflated market it's easy to make a quick company, mke it look legit, steal some money and run. but mostly they inject isk and lower the prices of minerals which sucks :/ and yes duh if I painted something and someone else tried selling prints of it without giving me profit I'd be **ed.
Esmenet	Posted - 2008.06.16 09:30:00 - [24] Originally by: bingxhiao CCP don't like people who can sell ISK for cheaper than CCP do, that's all. They're happy to take money off them, and money off players, but they will not be happy if the players, and the sellers, do business without CCP taking a cut. Anything else they say on the subject is just bull ****. Ni hao!
Major Death Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.16 09:40:00 - [25] Edited by: Major Death on 16/06/2008 09:42:08 Given that quite a bit of RMT ISK is stolen from legitimate accounts using trojans or phising there are a million reasons that RMT traders are bad for the game. One might speculate that angry ISK sellers/pharmers might start flooding the EVE-O forums with posts accusing CCP of double standards e.t.c... My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!'
fuze InfoMorph Services Ltd	Posted - 2008.06.16 09:53:00 - [26] RMT is impossible to fight since the demand always is there. Estimates are talking about 5% to 10%. If CCP didn't fight it, it would have been much higher. Its slowly choking Eve and will make it affecting the game so much it will destroy the original Eve in the end. In fact any MMO with in game economies are suffering from this. So it will just take time before all MMO will switch over to legal RMT and the rich spoiled brats bullying the trailer trash. Nobody can stop this ever.
Hellspawn666 Master Miners Intruders.	Posted - 2008.06.16 10:01:00 - [27] Tbh i think the isk sellers are just CCP trying to make more money, i hear the GM's create officer modules to ebay for Christmas bonus too :) Any other bad topics people want to bring up that just arnt true?
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.16 10:15:00 - [28] Edited by: Shintai on 16/06/2008 10:16:28 Originally by: Atomos Darksun OP just got OWNED! Bolt italic underline at the very LEAST! Why? Because CCP removed a tiny drop in the ocean? Or because CCP actually first do something when the damage is done. All the minerals/ice products is still sold at the market at the expense of the actual players supplying it. When you wait 2 months to hit just a 6 man ice mining gank you also release 350000 icecubes to the market. Or something along 100billion isotopes. The main benefit of waiting is you can remove alot of ISK from the game. Aka a moneysink. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Esmenet	Posted - 2008.06.16 10:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Shintai The main benefit of waiting is you can remove alot of ISK from the game. Aka a moneysink. The main benefit of waiting is probably that they can, by following the stream of isk, find a bunch of accounts belonging to isk traders and remove all the isk + ban accounts. As has been shown when certain rmt sites got cleaned out.
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.16 11:23:00 - [30] Edited by: Shintai on 16/06/2008 11:25:32 Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Shintai The main benefit of waiting is you can remove alot of ISK from the game. Aka a moneysink. The main benefit of waiting is probably that they can, by following the stream of isk, find a bunch of accounts belonging to isk traders and remove all the isk + ban accounts. As has been shown when certain rmt sites got cleaned out. I dont think you understand it. Its like cleaning up after a huge accident with alot of cars instead of avoiding the accidents in the first place. I dont know how you earn your isk. But imagine something along you ratting and earning 95-105K isk per kill. Next week you will earn 70K per kill because someone is farming the same kills 23/7. Thats a direct implication on you, even tho you are "innocent" in the ISK farming. So when CCP waits so long, they dont just ban the farmers and sellers late. They also hurt your business in the meantime. It wouldnt be rocket science to have a GM jump around to icebelts and mission hubs to pick out macroers. And even in 0.0. Or simply start looking at players that are online and active say 20hours+ at a day/time. I¦m quite sure CCP got just as good or better datawarehousing than my corp does. So they can draw any stat they want. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Notarri	Posted - 2008.06.17 06:15:00 - [31] I like the idea of a running post of accounts banned, or at least a response to petitions reported on macro farmers once they are removed to know your reporting had any effect what so ever. Though some people seem to be in the know about the results (from what is in this post), the common player would like some feedack that their efforts mean a dang thing.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.06.17 06:18:00 - [32] Edited by: Jinx Barker on 17/06/2008 06:19:03 Originally by: CCP RyanD Crossposted for reference. He he he - a 6 billion ISK birthday present... that is marvelous. Edit: And it looks like that was the LAST time the recipient of the 6 Billion ISK B-Day present ever posted. Wonder why?!
Guntaro	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:12:00 - [33] Edited by: Guntaro on 17/06/2008 11:13:36 This game is more about making real money for a lot of players, than having fun. Thats why RMT will never stop. Do a search and you will find many isk selling sites selling billions. Eliminate the isk intensiveness of this game and the RMT will finally stop.
Tharukan Desm'ar	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:41:00 - [34] Originally by: Guntaro Edited by: Guntaro on 17/06/2008 11:13:36 This game is more about making real money for a lot of players, than having fun. Thats why RMT will never stop. Do a search and you will find many isk selling sites selling billions. Eliminate the isk intensiveness of this game and the RMT will finally stop. That wont stop people wanting isk. CCP just has to keep up with what they're doing with their two pronged attack of making it hard as hell for sellers and buyers. It wont ever fully disappear unless game controls become changed in a way that makes it hard if not impossible for macros to be implemented. And as long as there are people willing to buy in game currencey there will always be people setting up shop to cater to the opportunity. However illegal it might be.
Lady Aja No Angels Here	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:47:00 - [35] Originally by: Sikozu Prioris Originally by: Fi Khan Are they in cahoots? Getting kickbacks perhaps? Nothing is ever done. You would think after the years EVE has been up, there would be SOME SORT of protection or ANYTHING to combat them. So far the only thing that can be done is file a petition and wait for CCP to delete it. Just because you arnt seeing anything been done doesnt mean they arnt doing anything. Its far better for ccp to slowly investigate isk selling rings so that only isk sellers get banned and not legitimate players. Banning an entire operation of 10's or 100's of accounts is far better then slowly banning connections off one by one. Once the account is suspected to be a isk seller, better to let it continue for a while so it can lead ccp to their other accounts. i once petitioned two accounts that was blantently laundering isk. few hours later they was perma banned. from my understanding. isk sellers no longer sell just isk. they sell implants, t2 ships and mods and even faction goodies.. they have taken to invention like flies to crap.
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:56:00 - [36] it's my birthday in about 1 months.. can i has your stuff please! only legit isk, no farmed ones Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
lpha centurion Confrerie des ombres Roids'Are'Us	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:56:00 - [37] Edited by: lpha centurion on 17/06/2008 11:58:02 Edited by: lpha centurion on 17/06/2008 11:56:42 Drastic ways to ban macroers : -> Image Ingame Control (IIC) After a random moment of connexion, a windows appear asking to copy a number, if no answer after 15 minutes : kick . -> ISK Transfer Amount Control (ITAC) GMs are able to check the accounts of players who have received or given a lot of money to other characters (lets say 2b+ in a week ?). These guys are highlighted in the GM panel -> Computer Configuration Ban (CCB) I think it is possible but a dev answer is needed. A good way to ban people is to ban them and their hardware. A same PC can't create a new account on EvE if it is CCB. -> Yulai Internal Financial Protection Team (YIFPROT) Creation of a new team in ISD of players able to check if players are macroers or not. They are in charge to search them (perma-cloacking, local invisible) and to inform GMs on the possibility of macroing players. Hope some of these ideas are possible and not too stupid, I really hate macroers destroying the mining economy -------------------------- Oneiromancer > What sound does the test server do in your language? Phthonos > crash
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:58:00 - [38] They do, but as with all things people only see what is not being done. Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
Death4free Darkstar Industrial	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:00:00 - [39] remmeber that gtc sales cut down on illegal rmt by a ton since you can get isk legaly Eve information kiosk
WA Dragon 108 Field Squadron RM RE	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:04:00 - [40] OK JUST HOLD ON A SECOND HERE REWIND. Q. how do the isk sellers obtain the isk to sell? A. Macros. Q. WHO did not ban the macros at the start? A. CCP. I am sorry but CCP are the makers of their own down fall. With out macros isk sellers could not exisist. One other small point here. You seem to think macro mining only goes on in empire, whole corps macro mine in 0.0 make billions of isk and sell it on the net. Thats where the real problem is not some nooblet in an osprey in 1.0 space mining Scordite. The macro mining corps in 0.0 have no one to report them in petitions. Thats where the real problem is. Please get real people open your eyes for heven sake. To be or not to be......sorry can you repeat the question?
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:29:00 - [41] Originally by: WA Dragon OK JUST HOLD ON A SECOND HERE REWIND. Q. how do the isk sellers obtain the isk to sell? A. Macros. Q. WHO did not ban the macros at the start? A. CCP. I am sorry but CCP are the makers of their own down fall. With out macros isk sellers could not exisist. One other small point here. You seem to think macro mining only goes on in empire, whole corps macro mine in 0.0 make billions of isk and sell it on the net. Thats where the real problem is not some nooblet in an osprey in 1.0 space mining Scordite. The macro mining corps in 0.0 have no one to report them in petitions. Thats where the real problem is. Please get real people open your eyes for heven sake. Macros are banned. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:49:00 - [42] Originally by: WA Dragon OK JUST HOLD ON A SECOND HERE REWIND. Q. how do the isk sellers obtain the isk to sell? A. Macros. Q. WHO did not ban the macros at the start? A. CCP. I am sorry but CCP are the makers of their own down fall. With out macros isk sellers could not exisist. One other small point here. You seem to think macro mining only goes on in empire, whole corps macro mine in 0.0 make billions of isk and sell it on the net. Thats where the real problem is not some nooblet in an osprey in 1.0 space mining Scordite. The macro mining corps in 0.0 have no one to report them in petitions. Thats where the real problem is. Please get real people open your eyes for heven sake. It's like, why don't they just make crime illegal, that ought to stop it right? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Declan Intaki	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Lithalnas actually CCP waits to get a list together and then ban entire operations, 200+ accounts in one downtime. Do you actually know this for a fact, or are you one of those posters that just make up stuff, and completely confuse and derail the discussion? (Proof please)
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:55:00 - [44] Originally by: Declan Intaki Originally by: Lithalnas actually CCP waits to get a list together and then ban entire operations, 200+ accounts in one downtime. Do you actually know this for a fact, or are you one of those posters that just make up stuff, and completely confuse and derail the discussion? (Proof please) I CBA to look it up, but I remember about a year ago CCP banned a lot of accounts in one fell swoop as part of their investiation process. In the triple digits, I believe. Generally CCP's methodology - from what I can tell - goes something like this: 1. Find suspicious character through activity logs/petitions/etc 2. Note how that player interacts with other players, who they interact with, who picks up items they randomly jettison, who trades with them at stations, etc 3. Build a log of mysterious donation that player is giving out to other players that it has not otherwise interacted with on different accounts paid for with different methods 4. After building up a large log of buyers, sellers, and farmers, the buyers have the ISK deducted and the sellers/farmers are banned Based on what the GM's have said in this form, ISK laundering alts generally have 200-300 BILLION ISK going in and out of their wallets per week. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:12:00 - [45] Ingunn local was at 100 one day , and at 0 the next. Farmers slowly came back and with new accounts. So yes , we have proof that GMs are actively banning them.
Taedrin Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:28:00 - [46] Originally by: Stakhanov Ingunn local was at 100 one day , and at 0 the next. Farmers slowly came back and with new accounts. So yes , we have proof that GMs are actively banning them. That is the best news I've heard all day.
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:33:00 - [47] Very old news too Nowadays farmers are more spread out , so GMs take much longer to ban them. This is why my corp plays an important role by directly harming their income. With enough pressure , they will leave a lowsec area.
Alrione Dark Destiny Inc. Total Eclipse Syndicate	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:37:00 - [48] Quick, CCP, post what you are doing against isk sellers, so they can be ahead of you. 3/10 -------------------------------- :-O Sig got nerfed. Remaking >.<
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 15:41:00 - [49] JihadSwarm has a plan to deal with macrominers. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Midday Toker	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:44:00 - [50] ok, well i definitly know a corp, that are hard-core isk farmers. They actually work in shifts, loggin off enmass, and then logging back on enmass. And i think they share teh accounts aswell, cuz i killed one guy, they did their shift change, and he had no idea who i was I obviously cant prove they sell the iskies, as thats something CCP would have to check, how should i go about reporting this? would a standard petition suffice?
Hemp Invader	Posted - 2008.06.17 18:07:00 - [51] I think that CCP needs to create a program that verifies if the mouse is being moved by a person or by another program. That will kill the buggers. Plus...when you ban the macro...ban the mac address of their computer ( or better yet the entire computer >:) )
MilowFV Echo Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.06.18 02:43:00 - [52] Where has the swarm been anyway its been weeks sense I last heard of massive sucide strikes in high sec.
Carrisa Montega	Posted - 2008.06.18 02:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Sikozu Prioris Originally by: Fi Khan Are they in cahoots? Getting kickbacks perhaps? Nothing is ever done. You would think after the years EVE has been up, there would be SOME SORT of protection or ANYTHING to combat them. So far the only thing that can be done is file a petition and wait for CCP to delete it. Just because you arnt seeing anything been done doesnt mean they arnt doing anything. Its far better for ccp to slowly investigate isk selling rings so that only isk sellers get banned and not legitimate players. Banning an entire operation of 10's or 100's of accounts is far better then slowly banning connections off one by one. Once the account is suspected to be a isk seller, better to let it continue for a while so it can lead ccp to their other accounts. Even that doesn't work. In the time it takes CCP to investigate 200 people and then ban them, that ISK selling corp has already made enough IRL money to buy new acounts and still skim a profit. Trust me on this, I come into this game rom Guild Wars, a baby MMO as it is however, it still has it's problem with gold sellers. They practically have a pandemic going on in that game with gold sellers. They tried CP's approach and it failed, then they started going after buyers and banning their accounts. But this causes a whole other set of problems as people were being banned un-fairly from trading isk across alt characters and from friend to friend. In the end, there is nothing you can do about it. It will always happen in an MMO.
syphurous Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.06.18 03:14:00 - [54] Originally by: Hemp Invader I think that CCP needs to create a program that verifies if the mouse is being moved by a person or by another program. That will kill the buggers. Plus...when you ban the macro...ban the mac address of their computer ( or better yet the entire computer >:) ) I lolled. Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
Jurgen Cartis Interstellar Corporation of Exploration Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.06.18 04:51:00 - [55] Originally by: lpha centurion Edited by: lpha centurion on 17/06/2008 11:58:02 Edited by: lpha centurion on 17/06/2008 11:56:42 Drastic ways to ban macroers : -> Image Ingame Control (IIC) After a random moment of connexion, a windows appear asking to copy a number, if no answer after 15 minutes : kick . -> ISK Transfer Amount Control (ITAC) GMs are able to check the accounts of players who have received or given a lot of money to other characters (lets say 2b+ in a week ?). These guys are highlighted in the GM panel -> Computer Configuration Ban (CCB) I think it is possible but a dev answer is needed. A good way to ban people is to ban them and their hardware. A same PC can't create a new account on EvE if it is CCB. -> Yulai Internal Financial Protection Team (YIFPROT) Creation of a new team in ISD of players able to check if players are macroers or not. They are in charge to search them (perma-cloacking, local invisible) and to inform GMs on the possibility of macroing players. Hope some of these ideas are possible and not too stupid, I really hate macroers destroying the mining economy IIC is bad because Eve does not need more modal windows. . . Think about it, random modal window pops up in the middle of you sparring with a buddy. Now you can't turn off your guns or call of your drones until you deal with it. Oops. Now take this situation and apply to small gang PvP and worse, fleet PvP at your leisure. Especially mass fleet PvP with 15+ minute grid loading times. . . In short, far more annoying to us than macros. They just have some flunky make the rounds every 10 minutes and fix as needed. ITAC is useful, but the GMs probably already have access to ISK logging. The thing is, many people have alts who make money for them or are otherwise going to be sloshing around large sums of ISK. Telling the difference requires some thought, and not just an automated tool. Now, if he's sloshing out ISK in large amounts to many unrelated characters, start looking, hard. CCB is very powerful, but has huge backfire potential. Particularly when the macroers sell the now useless hardware to people who aren't involved, and if they use cybercafes in any part of their operation. A large operation may be able to simply switch machines that are CCB'd to Eve to another game, and move other computers to pick up the slack. YIFPROT might be useful. I'm not sure if GMs are cloaked to local, but I'm pretty sure that GM Cloaks are better than Covops Cloaks. There are other tools that can be deployed in concert with this that could be very useful, particularly timing how long certain activities take. Humans will have some random element, simpler macros will be precise to the millisecond. Checking on anyone who's on 23/7 seems useful, though again it takes some care, as people DO log in simply to try to make their enemies station camp them eternally despite them being very much AFK. A bit of GM watching should clear up which is which though. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
lpha centurion Confrerie des ombres Roids'Are'Us	Posted - 2008.06.18 12:56:00 - [56] Originally by: Jurgen Cartis Originally by: lpha centurion Edited by: lpha centurion on 17/06/2008 11:58:02 Edited by: lpha centurion on 17/06/2008 11:56:42 Drastic ways to ban macroers : -> Image Ingame Control (IIC) After a random moment of connexion, a windows appear asking to copy a number, if no answer after 15 minutes : kick . IIC is bad because Eve does not need more modal windows. . . Think about it, random modal window pops up in the middle of you sparring with a buddy. Now you can't turn off your guns or call of your drones until you deal with it. Oops. Now take this situation and apply to small gang PvP and worse, fleet PvP at your leisure. Especially mass fleet PvP with 15+ minute grid loading times. . . In short, far more annoying to us than macros. They just have some flunky make the rounds every 10 minutes and fix as needed. Maybe it could be better to limit IIC to people camping in asteroid belts ? -------------------------- Oneiromancer > What sound does the test server do in your language? Phthonos > crash
Loyal Servant Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.18 13:36:00 - [57] Originally by: lpha centurion -> Image Ingame Control (IIC) After a random moment of connexion, a windows appear asking to copy a number, if no answer after 15 minutes : kick . -> ISK Transfer Amount Control (ITAC) GMs are able to check the accounts of players who have received or given a lot of money to other characters (lets say 2b+ in a week ?). These guys are highlighted in the GM panel -> Computer Configuration Ban (CCB) I think it is possible but a dev answer is needed. A good way to ban people is to ban them and their hardware. A same PC can't create a new account on EvE if it is CCB. -> Yulai Internal Financial Protection Team (YIFPROT) Creation of a new team in ISD of players able to check if players are macroers or not. They are in charge to search them (perma-cloacking, local invisible) and to inform GMs on the possibility of macroing players. Hope some of these ideas are possible and not too stupid, I really hate macroers destroying the mining economy The ideas are not stupid, just suggested 1,000 times over. Popups wont work because.... Farmers are in sweatshops. It's a guy using 5+ accounts at once, he will see the popup and respond. May affect a grand total of 1 macro.... and I am being generous there. Watching isk flow? We already know large transfers of isk are checked. Banning hardware? Easy to proxy/change network card MAC addresses, etc etc. Banning hardware is just not possible. Special ISD division to watch them? Suggested and IIRC ultimately shot down by CCP. Voogru or MongWen would have more info on that one. Thing is, there is a lot of talk about macros in this thread and as someone that hunts farmers - macros are used for certain but in controlled situations. There are market macros, and ice farming macros. The alts that sit in jita 4-4 for example are usually market macros and the mackinaws in the belts are ice macros. AFAIK they only use the macro in the ice field during the transfer of the ice to the industrial, if you watch your overview very closely and carefully you will see a jetcan appear and disappear instantly. it will never appear in space, just too fast. On another note, one of the farmers that was talking to me did tell me that they are now using secure cans because they did not have to script creation of the new jetcan with all the mackinaws around it. And, now for flaimbait: The GTC system is how most farmers stay in the game. They do not pay for this game the way most players do... they pay far less. The way they pay less is all of the disposable isk they make and buy time cards. I know a few guys that pay thousands of dollars just in time cards and i have seen the guys they are selling cards to. Part of the problem here is that people paying $1,000 a month in time cards to buy moms or faction kit don't care - and why should they? So, they sell a card or a stack of cards to farmers, with dirty isk and the farmers may not be banned this month, or next month and the player gets this dirty isk that is now made clean. Of all the guys I know that have done the GTC for isk deal, and it's like 4 people - all knew they were selling cards to farmers but did not care because the isk they get from them is blessed. Now, how do players know it's a farmer for sure? they cannot. However, when you see the post in the timecode bazaar, and you see a post by 'fgjkkdsfagkjsdfg' asking for cards for himself and 'toibjrkjn' 'sdfgkhjksg' 'dfjhgdjfhgjdfg' 'ijhvbmnugnf' 'klfblkkjnfbjf' You see where I am going with this... Draw your own conclusions, people.

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