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Fi Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.15 15:41:00 -
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Are they in cahoots? Getting kickbacks perhaps? Nothing is ever done. You would think after the years EVE has been up, there would be SOME SORT of protection or ANYTHING to combat them. So far the only thing that can be done is file a petition and wait for CCP to delete it.
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Lithalnas
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.06.15 15:47:00 -
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actually CCP waits to get a list together and then ban entire operations, 200+ accounts in one downtime.
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Sikozu Prioris
Suns Of Korhal
deadspace society
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Posted - 2008.06.15 15:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Fi Khan
Are they in cahoots? Getting kickbacks perhaps? Nothing is ever done. You would think after the years EVE has been up, there would be SOME SORT of protection or ANYTHING to combat them. So far the only thing that can be done is file a petition and wait for CCP to delete it.
Just because you arnt seeing anything been done doesnt mean they arnt doing anything.
Its far better for ccp to slowly investigate isk selling rings so that only isk sellers get banned and not legitimate players. Banning an entire operation of 10's or 100's of accounts is far better then slowly banning connections off one by one. Once the account is suspected to be a isk seller, better to let it continue for a while so it can lead ccp to their other accounts.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.15 15:51:00 -
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hey this reminds me, it's been a few weeks since the last forum flurry of butt-hurt tearfully tragic complaints from ISK buyers.
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Emily Spankratchet
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.06.15 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Fi Khan
Are they in cahoots? Getting kickbacks perhaps? Nothing is ever done.
In a similar vein, I'd just like to claim that bears don't exist. I've never seen one. Ergo, they cannot exist. Why does nobody do anything about the bears?
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Empire marketslave
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.15 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sikozu Prioris
Originally by: Fi Khan
Are they in cahoots? Getting kickbacks perhaps? Nothing is ever done. You would think after the years EVE has been up, there would be SOME SORT of protection or ANYTHING to combat them. So far the only thing that can be done is file a petition and wait for CCP to delete it.
Just because you arnt seeing anything been done doesnt mean they arnt doing anything.
Its far better for ccp to slowly investigate isk selling rings so that only isk sellers get banned and not legitimate players. Banning an entire operation of 10's or 100's of accounts is far better then slowly banning connections off one by one. Once the account is suspected to be a isk seller, better to let it continue for a while so it can lead ccp to their other accounts.
QFT
Think about it, if you ban one at a time the others will still have isk to get timecards, have developed charaters to keep thier operation running and it would be a minor inconvience. where if you ban 100 people it shuts them down for a month. Also if they said what they were doing to stop it it would make it harder to do
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Kobushi
OCForums
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Posted - 2008.06.15 18:37:00 -
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To the OP what have YOU done to assist in the hunt for macro???
it's not easy to monitor the hundreds of thousands of accounts to catch a specific type of transaction. CCP can't solo the push and hope for 100% and immidiate results, CCP can do it only if the playerbase assist in the venture.
reporting marco might not get them off your favorite mining/missioning spot by next DT but in a month time ccp might have prevented thousands of billions from being farmed/sold. To the health of the game and the economic it makes way more sense to catch the entire farmer ring then to ban a few macro and make you feel fuzzy inside.
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My Julutschka
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.15 19:20:00 -
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on a publishers side of view...every macro farmer/miner/whatever still has to pay the monthly fee right?
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.06.15 19:25:00 -
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The same reason they drop you in Stacmon when you petition stuck in Jita as Caldari Militia... to screw real players.
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kworld
modro
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.06.15 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Fi Khan
Are they in cahoots? Getting kickbacks perhaps? Nothing is ever done. You would think after the years EVE has been up, there would be SOME SORT of protection or ANYTHING to combat them. So far the only thing that can be done is file a petition and wait for CCP to delete it.
CCP will never do anything about it because the macro farmers are what keeps the eve market going believe it or not.
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Kaar
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.15 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: My Julutschka
on a publishers side of view...every macro farmer/miner/whatever still has to pay the monthly fee right?
And those 5000 or so farmers are a significant income for small company like CCP.
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CCP RyanD
C C P
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Posted - 2008.06.15 20:19:00 -
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Crossposted for reference.
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.06.15 20:25:00 -
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OP just got OWNED!
Bolt italic underline at the very LEAST!
Originally by: Amoxin
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flashfreaking
LFC
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:00:00 -
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This is Forum Win of the day :lol:
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
hey this reminds me, it's been a few weeks since the last forum flurry of butt-hurt tearfully tragic complaints from ISK buyers.
Conveniently enough, shortly after you posted, we got this 
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Cpt Jagermeister
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.15 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Jagermeister on 15/06/2008 22:36:58
Someone go buy some isk and send it to this guy. Maybe when he gets banned he'll understand why they take their time with these things. :P
I'm joking of course.
Personally i think they're doing a good job.
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Chzandri
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Posted - 2008.06.15 22:51:00 -
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CCP is constantly ruining ISK sellers' business. They take ISK away from buyers who will then think twice about buying ISK again, especially from the same website. I have also added some ISK farmers I petitioned to my addressbook and guess what, some of them never come online any more. You think they just stopped playing their accounts?
How can you say that "Nothing is ever done"? Except if you want to troll of course.
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Lithalnas
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.06.16 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Chzandri
CCP is constantly ruining ISK sellers' business. They take ISK away from buyers who will then think twice about buying ISK again, especially from the same website. I have also added some ISK farmers I petitioned to my addressbook and guess what, some of them never come online any more. You think they just stopped playing their accounts?
How can you say that "Nothing is ever done"? Except if you want to troll of course.
i too like to laugh at people who actually have the nerve to complain when their bought isk gets taken.
But i would like to see CCP put up a running tally of isk removed/farmers banned.
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bingxhiao
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Posted - 2008.06.16 08:48:00 -
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CCP don't like people who can sell ISK for cheaper than CCP do, that's all.
They're happy to take money off them, and money off players, but they will not be happy if the players, and the sellers, do business without CCP taking a cut.
Anything else they say on the subject is just bull ****. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.16 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: bingxhiao
CCP don't like people who can sell ISK for cheaper than CCP do, that's all.
They're happy to take money off them, and money off players, but they will not be happy if the players, and the sellers, do business without CCP taking a cut.
Anything else they say on the subject is just bull ****.
Yeah totally I mean injecting isk into the economy, scaming players, stealing credit card numbers. No no that's all BS, I mean CCP must be saying these things because they are evil. |
Major Death
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.16 08:54:00 -
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Edited by: Major Death on 16/06/2008 08:56:27
Quote:
CCP don't like people who can sell ISK for cheaper than CCP do, that's all.
They're happy to take money off them, and money off players, but they will not be happy if the players, and the sellers, do business without CCP taking a cut.
Anything else they say on the subject is just bull ****.
Sounds like the words of a pharmer/macro'er/isk buyer who's starting to feel the pinch. Not to suggest that you are any of those things. |
Gojyu
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.06.16 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: bingxhiao
CCP don't like people who can sell ISK for cheaper than CCP do, that's all.
They're happy to take money off them, and money off players, but they will not be happy if the players, and the sellers, do business without CCP taking a cut.
Anything else they say on the subject is just bull ****.
Yeah totally I mean injecting isk into the economy, scaming players, stealing credit card numbers. No no that's all BS, I mean CCP must be saying these things because they are evil.
Or possibly because isk sellers are ccp's primary competitor when it comes to rmt. Every sale of isk to a player is another few bucks out of ccp's pocket, but sure they have your well being as their primary concern  . I dunno, I just have a hard time believing that there's a buisness out there that steals your credit card info through paypal, hacks accounts and obviously has enough repeat business to remain in a job  . Yes isk selling is bad, but the way to stop it isn't by making bs claims about how every isk seller is after your soul |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.16 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 16/06/2008 09:02:57
Originally by: Gojyu
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: bingxhiao
CCP don't like people who can sell ISK for cheaper than CCP do, that's all.
They're happy to take money off them, and money off players, but they will not be happy if the players, and the sellers, do business without CCP taking a cut.
Anything else they say on the subject is just bull ****.
Yeah totally I mean injecting isk into the economy, scaming players, stealing credit card numbers. No no that's all BS, I mean CCP must be saying these things because they are evil.
Or possibly because isk sellers are ccp's primary competitor when it comes to rmt. Every sale of isk to a player is another few bucks out of ccp's pocket, but sure they have your well being as their primary concern . I dunno, I just have a hard time believing that there's a buisness out there that steals your credit card info through paypal, hacks accounts and obviously has enough repeat business to remain in a job . Yes isk selling is bad, but the way to stop it isn't by making bs claims about how every isk seller is after your soul
no they aren't after your soul :P just YOUR MONEY! but really, most isk selling companies go under fast, there are about 400 of them all selling stuff and a lot close in a months time, you haver to be careful. sure some sites don't scam people.. well they kind of do since they tell you it's ok with CCP, but other than that most isk selling sites and gold and stuff are pure scams. some are well known and trusted though but like any inflated market it's easy to make a quick company, mke it look legit, steal some money and run.
but mostly they inject isk and lower the prices of minerals which sucks :/
and yes duh if I painted something and someone else tried selling prints of it without giving me profit I'd be ****ed.
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.06.16 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: bingxhiao
CCP don't like people who can sell ISK for cheaper than CCP do, that's all.
They're happy to take money off them, and money off players, but they will not be happy if the players, and the sellers, do business without CCP taking a cut.
Anything else they say on the subject is just bull ****.
Ni hao!
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Major Death
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.16 09:40:00 -
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Edited by: Major Death on 16/06/2008 09:42:08
Given that quite a bit of RMT ISK is stolen from legitimate accounts using trojans or phising there are a million reasons that RMT traders are bad for the game.
One might speculate that angry ISK sellers/pharmers might start flooding the EVE-O forums with posts accusing CCP of double standards e.t.c...
My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;)
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fuze
InfoMorph Services Ltd
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Posted - 2008.06.16 09:53:00 -
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RMT is impossible to fight since the demand always is there.
Estimates are talking about 5% to 10%. If CCP didn't fight it, it would have been much higher.
Its slowly choking Eve and will make it affecting the game so much it will destroy the original Eve in the end.
In fact any MMO with in game economies are suffering from this.
So it will just take time before all MMO will switch over to legal RMT and the rich spoiled brats bullying the trailer trash.
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Hellspawn666
Master Miners
Intruders.
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Posted - 2008.06.16 10:01:00 -
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Tbh i think the isk sellers are just CCP trying to make more money, i hear the GM's create officer modules to ebay for Christmas bonus too :) Any other bad topics people want to bring up that just arnt true?
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.16 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: Shintai on 16/06/2008 10:16:28
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
OP just got OWNED!
Bolt italic underline at the very LEAST!
Why? Because CCP removed a tiny drop in the ocean? Or because CCP actually first do something when the damage is done. All the minerals/ice products is still sold at the market at the expense of the actual players supplying it.
When you wait 2 months to hit just a 6 man ice mining gank you also release 350000 icecubes to the market. Or something along 100billion isotopes.
The main benefit of waiting is you can remove alot of ISK from the game. Aka a moneysink.
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.06.16 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shintai
The main benefit of waiting is you can remove alot of ISK from the game. Aka a moneysink.
The main benefit of waiting is probably that they can, by following the stream of isk, find a bunch of accounts belonging to isk traders and remove all the isk + ban accounts. As has been shown when certain rmt sites got cleaned out.
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.16 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Shintai on 16/06/2008 11:25:32
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Shintai
The main benefit of waiting is you can remove alot of ISK from the game. Aka a moneysink.
The main benefit of waiting is probably that they can, by following the stream of isk, find a bunch of accounts belonging to isk traders and remove all the isk + ban accounts. As has been shown when certain rmt sites got cleaned out.
I dont think you understand it. Its like cleaning up after a huge accident with alot of cars instead of avoiding the accidents in the first place. I dont know how you earn your isk. But imagine something along you ratting and earning 95-105K isk per kill. Next week you will earn 70K per kill because someone is farming the same kills 23/7. Thats a direct implication on you, even tho you are "innocent" in the ISK farming. So when CCP waits so long, they dont just ban the farmers and sellers late. They also hurt your business in the meantime.
It wouldnt be rocket science to have a GM jump around to icebelts and mission hubs to pick out macroers. And even in 0.0. Or simply start looking at players that are online and active say 20hours+ at a day/time.
I¦m quite sure CCP got just as good or better datawarehousing than my corp does. So they can draw any stat they want.
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