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Bish Ounen Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:52:00 - [1] Ok, So with the recent T2 cov-ops model fix we are left with one T1 frig per race that has no T2 version. Gallente: Navitas Caldari: Bantam Minmatar: Burst Amarr: Tormentor The primary skill set for these ships is that they are either Cargo or Mining frigs, skillsets which do not lend them to direct combat. However, there are other T1 ships which have T2 combat equivalents, but are not combat oriented in their T1 version. I'm speaking of course, of the Logistics ships. Logistics ships are fleet support oriented T2 ships which use the hulls of more civilian-oriented T1 ships. Why not do the same thing with the remaining T1 "Civvie" frigates? We already have small shield and armor reppers, why not dedicated small ships to put them on? I have read some suggestions that these ships be made "T2 mini miners", but with the severe cargo restrictions of a frigate and the invariably higher price of a T2 frigate, a budding miner would be better served getting a cruiser or entry-level mining barge. Simply put, there just isn't any point in making a T2 mining frig. However, with the advent of FW, and large fleets of smaller ships, having a dedicated logistics frig to back up the other frigs in the fleet (such as keeping EW frigs alive) would be a HUGE and important addition to the Frig lineup, and would also serve to diversify normal 0.0 fleet warfare as well. This would round-out the full T2 lineup of all 4 races, and allow newer players who want to play a support-oriented role be able to get into the logistics game sooner. Thoughts? Suggestions? Flames?
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:54:00 - [2] Flak Frigates. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Arvald Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:54:00 - [3] wow....this is actually one of the better ship suggestions ive heard 0_o Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Bish Ounen Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:13:00 - [4] Originally by: Arvald wow....this is actually one of the better ship suggestions ive heard 0_o Thanks! It just made sense to me. I mean, what else are you going to do with them? Every other role is covered, and inventing a new role would require all sorts of complicated balance calculations. Just make them frig logistics ships, give them paint jobs to match the cruiser logistics ships (A crimson and silver Navitas would look pretty darn sexy IMHO), and done.
Larg Kellein Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:17:00 - [5] I'd add the requested flames, but I find myself liking the idea... Dammit. Your character looks constipated, though!
RigelKentaurus Flying Tartiflette Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Bish Ounen I mean, what else are you going to do with them? Tugboats! _________ Someday, EVE may look like this.
Solcypher Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:20:00 - [7] that's actually a pretty good idea
EvilSpork Invicta.	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Bish Ounen Thoughts? Suggestions? Flames? in the logistics spirit: super long range, fast, logistics frigs. limit them to only using small armor/energy/shield reps, but let them hit at very long range(who 9km/s interceptor will be able to stay within 20km of a logistics ship for repping while its trying to tackle?) give these frigs a HUGE increase to range and a decent cap and fitting bonus. 2-3 small shield reps that can hit 75kms would be absurdly awesome for healing cepters. the bonus would have to be like 500% range bonus per level of .... logistics ships? just an idea.. someone would have to work out the details though.
Bish Ounen Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Larg Kellein I'd add the requested flames, but I find myself liking the idea... Dammit. Your character looks constipated, though! Well I'll try to make my next suggestion suitably crappy so you can get your flame quotient in for the day. Constipated? Really? I was going for more "lip twisted into a wry grin, as though he knows something you don't" look.
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:32:00 - [10] This might work. T2 mining frig wont work since mining is all about volume, for the cost/skills someone would just get a barge or exhumer. The other option would be some sort of exploration/miniprofession ship, but I'd rather that be a cruiser class ship for a bit more versatility. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?

Arthalion Thoidon Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:41:00 - [11] Forum ate my post, GRRRRR. So I'll keep it short: Great idea!
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:07:00 - [12] Edited by: Tarminic on 16/06/2008 18:07:05 I would love a T2 logistic frigate. T2 Navitas: 2 Med, 3 Low, 3 High Stats: 35% Better Capacity 30% Less Mass (Mining frigs are actually quite bulky) T2 Resists T1 Bonus: 15% Reduction to Remote Armor Repair Capacitor Need per level 150% Bonus to Remote Armor Repair and Tracking Link Range per level T2 Bonus: 5% Bonus to Remote Armor Repair and Tracking Link Effectiveness per level 5% Reduction in signature radius per level ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
William Alex Viscosity space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:15:00 - [13] I've always wanted a t2 logistics frig.
DiaBlo UK Precision Engineering	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:21:00 - [14] Edited by: DiaBlo UK on 16/06/2008 18:24:02 i think a dedicated salvage ship could be a good idea for these forgotten ships. with just salvaging, you don't need a massive cargo. frigs are great for salvage cause they are quick. maybe give bonus to salvage range+speed, and maybe tractor beam range/cap use. i also like your idea too, but the scimatar is good at repping inties and vagas etc, and with small shield reps, you just don't get the rep needed to fend off much.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:26:00 - [15] T2 logistics ship would be pretty cool, in these days of restricted-ship-size PvP. Other favourite suggestions include the T2 Salvager and the T2 Gas Harvester. Would love to see something made out of them though- the Navitas is particularly sexy. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
ZinderX500 RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Winterblink Flak Frigates. Frak Frigates. _____________________ Shelley Godfrey: Have you lost your mind!? Baltar: That's an interesting question, and one I pose to myself on a regular basis.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:54:00 - [17] Originally by: DiaBlo UK Edited by: DiaBlo UK on 16/06/2008 18:24:02 i think a dedicated salvage ship could be a good idea for these forgotten ships. with just salvaging, you don't need a massive cargo. frigs are great for salvage cause they are quick. maybe give bonus to salvage range+speed, and maybe tractor beam range/cap use. i also like your idea too, but the scimatar is good at repping inties and vagas etc, and with small shield reps, you just don't get the rep needed to fend off much. A tier 2 destroyer would be better suited for a salvager. The miniLogistics ship is a fantastic idea. I love it. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2008.06.16 19:08:00 - [18] Dedicated salvager really ought to be based on an indy or a barge hull (I like the barge hull idea best). This T2 logistics frigate idea is pure win. ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Captain Falcord The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.06.16 19:13:00 - [19] I fully endorse this product or service. "Healing" has always been one of my main motivation in online games. If I didn't go straight to logistics training is because T2 cruisers are too far away in the skill plan. Having a middle step like this would help a lot. /signed. Unique Ship Skills!
Ral Ulgur Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.16 20:21:00 - [20] To jump on the Bandwagon, I endorse this idea! There are AFs and HACs, Interdictors and HICs, EAFs and Recons. Why shouldn't be there logistics frigs? I also like the idea that came up quite frequently of the command friagte, a cheap gang link module platfor. Maybe the two roles could be combined. Sarcastic note: The OP is CLEARLY just looking for a way to sell his 573 Gistii A-Type Small Shield Transporters...

Alora Venoda GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.06.16 20:28:00 - [21] mini-blockade runner imo +1 inate warp core stab, T2 resists, 500 m3 base cargohold 3 hi-slots T1 bonus is for more cargo space T2 bonus is for smaller sig radius ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Bish Ounen Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.06.16 20:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Ral Ulgur Sarcastic note: The OP is CLEARLY just looking for a way to sell his 573 Gistii A-Type Small Shield Transporters... I wish! Of course, if anyone wants to donate faction mods of any kind to me, I won't look askance at them. I have to say, I'm really happy with how much positive reaction my little idea has generated. Of course, knowing my luck it will never be implemented, but at least I can say I'm e-popular.
Shinnen Northern Intelligence	Posted - 2008.06.16 20:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Alora Venoda mini-blockade runner imo yes!! but +1 built in warp core stab 500m3 base cargo hold 3 hi-slots 1 med slot 2 high slots (1 hardpoint) T1 bonus is for more agility T2 bonus is for more cargo space -- Banned since 2005, back by popular demand! They said it wouldn't happen!!
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.06.16 20:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Shinnen Originally by: Alora Venoda mini-blockade runner imo yes!! but +1 built in warp core stab 500m3 base cargo hold 3 hi-slots 1 med slot 2 high slots (1 hardpoint) T1 bonus is for more agility T2 bonus is for more cargo space 5 High slots, 1 Med slot, 0 Low slots. Bastard Child of a destroyer and a freighter? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Yarr2K 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.16 21:13:00 - [25] A logistics frig would have oh so useful last night whilst I was running around in a frig fleet. Speed tanks leave no room for reppers.
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2008.06.16 21:42:00 - [26] Something else I thought of that would be cool, let this t2 support frig field one warfare link. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.16 21:45:00 - [27] I like this idea. However I'd strongly suggest that the build cost not be ridiculous like the Electronic Attack frigates currently are (because of invention only and ME -4 etc). When you're flying a ship that gets one volleyed pretty easily, I think it only fair CCP make it affordable and cost effective in the region of 4-8M to build rather than 12-18M for EAF, coupled with the crappy insurance payout of T2 most ppl would rather just fly a T1 insured cruiser.
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.06.16 21:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Bish Ounen I have read some suggestions that these ships be made "T2 mini miners", but with the severe cargo restrictions of a frigate and the invariably higher price of a T2 frigate, a budding miner would be better served getting a cruiser or entry-level mining barge. Simply put, there just isn't any point in making a T2 mining frig. You have heard of jetcan mining right? Cargo space doesn't matter. One would assume a t2 frig would mine better than a cruiser so the cost issue is unimportant there. It would obviously be less skill intensive than a covetor, and better than a procurer. Basically it is just the retreiver that would be competing with it. A t2 mining frig would obviously be better for people who were training frig 5 for another reason anyway. Not that I think that there should be a t2 mining frig, i just think your arguments are flawed. Ideally i would like to see a non pvp ship, preferably one related to either salvaging or the proffessions (hacking/archaeology/anything else ccp throws in).
Burt Gummer Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.16 22:05:00 - [29] Originally by: Winterblink Flak Frigates. To be honest, I like this idea. Frigates that can use a new highslot module that is like an array of many little guns that fire at a fast rate and at like a machinegun and have a huge falloff range (you're putting so much flak out that something is gonna hit since there's little resistance in space). They could tear up drones and do light damage to other frigates. And to go along with it perhaps a revamp of automated targeting systems so you can automatically lock drones quickly since they're hard to catch on your overview (although you could always load overview settings that only show drones and fighters I just thought this would be fancy) Sorry for derailing the thread, but I like flak frigates.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2008.06.16 22:21:00 - [30] I have a great interest in Leadership and gang boosting, as I've noted before. I think there are two good opportunities for new ships in the frigate/destroyer classes: 1. Logistic frigate -- There ought to be a use for small remote armor repairers other than reprocessing... don't you think? 2. BC-like/CS-like destroyer -- A tech 1 destroyer with corresponding tech 2 version that give gang bonuses, perhaps limited only to boosting frigate class ships. The tech 1 version would give newbies a way to get into leadership without having to train up to a battlecruiser, and the tech 2 version would make frigate/dessie gangs a more plausible menace than they currently represent. . Seeking frigateers!



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