Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 06:02:00 -
[1] - Quote
Last night EVE time Trabzz of the Goonswarm Federation had this to say,
Trabzz wrote:Pheusia wrote:How are you being pressured to vote against your will? People are being banned left and right from the forums, some for 90 days or more, for supporting their own candidates. If you can't post your lossmails you can't get reimbursement, so a large amount of money is being denied to anyone that speaks up. They are also keeping tabs on how individual corps are voting through their own exit polling system, and publishing the stats so that those who refuse to toe the line can be mocked publicly.
This if true is quite clearly Extortion.
Extortion From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Extortion (also called shakedown, outwresting, and exaction) is a criminal offence which occurs when a person unlawfully obtains either money, property or services from a person(s), entity, or institution, through coercion. Refraining from doing harm is sometimes euphemistically called protection. Extortion is commonly practiced by organized crime groups. The actual obtainment of money or property is not required to commit the offense. Making a threat of violence which refers to a requirement of a payment of money or property to halt future violence is sufficient to commit the offense. Exaction refers not only to extortion or the unlawful demanding and obtaining of something through force, but additionally, in its formal definition, means the infliction of something such as pain and suffering or making somebody endure something unpleasant."
Now I personally don't know and can't say what CCP's view on this is all I can go by is:
Quote:Candidate Eligibility To be considered for eligibility, a candidate must submit a photocopy of a valid passport to CCP. Once CCP has verified the playerGÇÖs identity and confirmed his or her account status, the candidateGÇÖs real name and character selection of choice will be officially announced to the community. Please note: Icelandic citizens are only required to submit a driverGÇÖs license or other valid photo ID. All candidates have to be able to travel to Iceland; CCP will not arrange any permits to enter the country should visa or similar be required. Warnings for serious EVE-related misconduct might bar the person from running for candidacy.Candidates are expected to be active on the CSM forums and participate in the discussion of topics. They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. In addition, they must be willing and able to travel to Iceland once during their term for a direct meeting with the CCP Council. Should a Representative be unable to attend this meeting, an Alternate will attend in his or her place. Transportation to and from Iceland, plus lodging, lunch, and dinner will be provided by CCP. Candidates are responsible for all other expenses incurred during the trip. Elected Representatives and Alternates are required to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) before commencing their term. If a candidate is unable to fulfill these requirements, the candidate with the next highest vote tally will be given their position. This process will continue until there are a total of nine Representatives and five Alternates. source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM#Candidate_Eligibility
If extortion and the like are fit and proper examples for elections why do we even have a CSM. We have that sort of behavior in EVE its self.
The CSM elections are supposed to be
Quote: Community Elections for Player Representatives
A council of nine player Representatives will be democratically elected by EVE players. Five alternates will also be elected to provide absentee coverage for Representatives. The CSM will be headed by a Chairman and supported by a Vice- Chairman, Secretary, and Vice-Secretary. This group is responsible for managing the operations of the council.
The big word there being democratically as in a democracy.
Democracy From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Democracy is an egalitarian form of government in which all the citizens of a nation together determine public policy, the laws and the actions of their state, requiring that all citizens (meeting certain qualifications) have an equal opportunity to express their opinion. In practice, "democracy" is the extent to which a given system approximates this ideal, and a given political system is referred to as "a democracy" if it allows a certain approximation to ideal democracy. Although no country has ever granted all its citizens (i.e. including minors) the vote, most countries today hold regular elections based on egalitarian principles, at least in theory." it goes on to say "Elements considered essential to democracy include freedom of political expression, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press, so that citizens are adequately informed and able to vote according to their own best interests as they see them."
The essential element of all this being freedom of political expression.
If this kind of behavior is allowed to stand then all the CSM will become is members of the largest alliances. Hardly elected representatives.
Due to this I am asking that The Mittani's candidicy and any others linked to this extortion be postponed until an investigation into this behavior can done.
I am aware of the ridicule the Goons will level at me for what they will call a crackpot theory but I must point out it was a member of Goonswarm Federation who brought this to the public s attention in the first place.
Frying Doom |
Benny Ohu
The Lazy Dragoons True Apathy
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 06:34:00 -
[2] - Quote
I edited the definition of 'extortion' in Wikipedia so it's all ok now.
CCP barred several candidates from running this year, probably know how Mittani operates, yet didn't bar him, so that's ok.
Your own vote is confidential, so that's ok.
The chair is responsible for "managing the operations of the council", and Mittani has done this better than any chairman so far, so that's ok.
Real-life democracies usually function with political parties that expect their members to toe the party line or face internal sanctions. So that's ok.
Quote:If extortion and the like are fit and proper examples for elections why do we even have a CSM. We have that sort of behavior in EVE its self.
Extortion and the like are prominent in EVE as admitted by you. The CSM is supposed to represent the playerbase, as admitted by you. But the representatives are not supposed to practice extortion?
I don't see what the problem is? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
224
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 07:01:00 -
[3] - Quote
Guys, goons don't actually reimbuse remember? The Mittani eats all the tech.
Mind you, some CFC membercorps have their own candidates (like TEST). However, some of their members still decided to vote for The Mittani. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Nephilm
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 07:06:00 -
[4] - Quote
Confirming I'm being forced to vote for mister The Mittani against m
disregard vote the mittani~ |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
224
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 07:07:00 -
[5] - Quote
Oh, oh I see. It's just a trap for silly people to fall into.
Sheesh, I should have been tipped off when apparently it was a goon posting it. Perhaps you'd care to double your isk? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2354
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 07:13:00 -
[6] - Quote
I've been sitting here all day watching all the screen recordings of goons voting. I hear footst "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sentinel Eeex
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 08:34:00 -
[7] - Quote
We are required to fraps the voting process, for each account, and send the fraps to war commissar |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5718
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 08:55:00 -
[8] - Quote
This guy is amazing, almost every post he makes includes a c&p of a Wikipedia definition. The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2356
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 08:58:00 -
[9] - Quote
Sentinel Eeex wrote:We are required to fraps the voting process, for each account, and send the fraps to war commissar
and I, the war commissar, have to watch them all, lest Mittani eject me from this noble space guild "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
159
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 08:58:00 -
[10] - Quote
Sentinel Eeex wrote:We are required to fraps the voting process, for each account, and send the fraps to war commissar Confirming that im one of the red commisars.
Goons use their russian members for extortion and other shady things. Since we have so much experience with rigged elections and have racial bonus perk for shady things. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
|
Sentinel Eeex
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 09:34:00 -
[11] - Quote
And I really wanted to vote for someone else, since I really like the idea of my Nidhoggur wearing a hat and shiny pants
|
Susie Chow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 11:32:00 -
[12] - Quote
Solodrakban told me that I won't get any more Blackbirds reimbursed if I didn't fraps my vote for The Mittani! It was basically Orwellian mind r***. |
Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
428
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 11:45:00 -
[13] - Quote
"lol" |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
145
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 12:20:00 -
[14] - Quote
This thread is amazing. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 12:42:00 -
[15] - Quote
If this is true it isn't surprising.
What surprises me more is that someone like Trabbz whines about it whereas he has the option to leave Goons if he isn't in agreement with them.
But a lot of people like the easy way out. Cry like a little baby but don't do anything actually to change their situation.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2365
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 13:01:00 -
[16] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:If this is true it isn't surprising.
What surprises me more is that someone like Trabbz whines about it whereas he has the option to leave Goons if he isn't in agreement with them.
But a lot of people like the easy way out. Cry like a little baby but don't do anything actually to change their situation.
i love how you totally left out the possibility that it's a troll "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
279
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 13:12:00 -
[17] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:If this is true it isn't surprising.
What surprises me more is that someone like Trabbz whines about it whereas he has the option to leave Goons if he isn't in agreement with them.
But a lot of people like the easy way out. Cry like a little baby but don't do anything actually to change their situation.
If you had also pasted in the Wikipedia entry for "Baby" you would have taken Frying Doom's place as top trollfood, but as it stands this is just your usual badposting.
|
Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
162
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 13:22:00 -
[18] - Quote
Andski wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:If this is true it isn't surprising.
What surprises me more is that someone like Trabbz whines about it whereas he has the option to leave Goons if he isn't in agreement with them.
But a lot of people like the easy way out. Cry like a little baby but don't do anything actually to change their situation.
i love how you totally left out the possibility that it's a troll Impossible.
Everything about goons is true and serious. This is a serious game after all, there is not place for bafoonery. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 13:25:00 -
[19] - Quote
Red Templar wrote:\Impossible.
Everything about goons is true and serious. This is a serious game after all, there is not place for bafoonery.
No, no, no. See, he knows we troll a lot. Whenever we say "that idea is stupid", "WiS is dumb", "that theory is ridiculous", "are you high?", "I think you have mental problems", all of that - we're trolling, obviously.
This one Trabzz post, he KNOWS it's the truth, that it's totally not just confirmation bias and delusion getting into a car accident, and there's nothing we can tell him to make him think otherwise. Why not? We'd be trolling, of course! |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
766
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 13:34:00 -
[20] - Quote
Goons can conduct themselves how they wish. If you don't want to be mocked/banned/whatever, then lie about who you voted for. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
|
Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
106
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 13:37:00 -
[21] - Quote
This seem a good thread to remind people to vote for Skippermonkey.
It just makes sense. Would you like a kitten? |
Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
162
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 13:52:00 -
[22] - Quote
Thats a nice picture. Do i guess correctly that the doe in the middle represents goonswarm with all our poor newbies, and the 2 predators on the sides are horrible forces of elite peeveepee?
It makes sense. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 14:19:00 -
[23] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
If you had also pasted in the Wikipedia entry for "Baby" you would have taken Frying Doom's place as top trollfood, but as it stands this is just your usual badposting.
Being the top badposter according to Goon standards should be a medal from anyone with an own spine instead of a collective spine they attempt to draw on.
|
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
279
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 14:27:00 -
[24] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Goons can conduct themselves how they wish. If you don't want to be mocked/banned/whatever, then lie about who you voted for.
God forbid I'm mocked by other goons. That's just the worst. It's so ugly when it happens. I break out in a cold sweat and my hands go all clammy. Oh god my stomach hurts.
|
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
921
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 16:15:00 -
[25] - Quote
Posting in support of bee damage control.
Need more bee alt posts.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
279
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 16:39:00 -
[26] - Quote
itt mystery peen admits he's a goon alt sorry 2 blow ur cover m8 |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
280
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 16:57:00 -
[27] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This guy is amazing, almost every post he makes includes a c&p of a Wikipedia definition.
From Wikipedia:
Amazing:
Quote:A*mazing was an Australian children's television game show that aired between 1993 and 1998 on the Seven Network. It was famous for a relatively large and elaborate maze/obstacle course that was part of the show's studio set. A*mazing was hosted by James Sherry for the entire run of the series. A*mazing was produced at Channel 7 Brisbane from 1993-1996 and then at Channel 7 Perth from 1997-1998.
Definition:
Quote:A definition (Gë¥) is a passage that explains the meaning of a term (a word, phrase or other set of symbols), or a type of thing. The term to be defined is the definiendum. A term may have many different senses or meanings. For each such specific sense, a definiens is a cluster of words that defines that term.
So clearly, the original poster is defined as a fan of an obscure Australian children's television game show -- we have the math to prove it, after all. Clearly superior to Bronies or whatever Furries are calling themselves this week, but still creepy and kinda sad.
Anyway, Figured I'd jump on the bandwagon.
Bandwagon:
Quote:The bandwagon effect is a well documented form of groupthink in behavioral science and has many applications. The general rule is that conduct or beliefs spread among people, as fads and trends clearly do, with "the probability of any individual adopting it increasing with the proportion who have already done so".[1] As more people come to believe in something, others also "hop on the bandwagon" regardless of the underlying evidence. The tendency to follow the actions or beliefs of others can occur because individuals directly prefer to conform, or because individuals derive information from others. Both explanations have been used for evidence of conformity in psychological experiments. For example, social pressure has been used to explain Asch's conformity experiments,[2] and information has been used to explain Sherif's autokinetic experiment.[3]
VOTE MITTANI VOTE MITTANI VOTE MITTANI VOTE MITTANI VOTE MITTANI VOTE MITTANI VOTE MITTANI VOTE MITTANI |
Crasniya
Legio Geminatus Gentlemen's Agreement
128
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 22:08:00 -
[28] - Quote
In to confirm I was threatened with a violent visitation by Goons members to my house if I didn't vote for beloved Space King Mittens! I was told what they did to a guy last year who voted for some highsec candidate instead. They had pictures. It wasn't pretty.
...epic thread is epic. |
Ntrails
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.12 22:23:00 -
[29] - Quote
i chose to vote for selene with one of my 3 accounts and as a consequence was removed from reimbursement eligibility
don't be a fool - vote the mittani. he is watching |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
767
|
Posted - 2012.03.13 01:21:00 -
[30] - Quote
Red Templar wrote:Thats a nice picture. Do i guess correctly that the doe in the middle represents goonswarm with all our poor newbies, and the 2 predators on the sides are horrible forces of elite peeveepee? It makes sense. You can interpret the fine art anyway you wish. That is the nature of art. :)
The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |