There's nothing wrong with Incursions. The option is there for anyone and everyone to go to an Incursion system and take part. Those who are moaning and bitching about it have some form of bad feeling towards it for no good reason.

Do we moan about all the Tech moons constantly like you guys do? nope...

Incursions is maybe the fastest way to make isk yes indeed but it is deserved because the majority of subs come from empire people. That is a fact.

If you continue to take away every isk making solution to high sec subs will fall drastically.

It may be in CCPs interest to change them around slightly as they do with everything [just look at PI] I cannot see it changing too much.

So the people hoarding in Zydrine in the hopes of a dronepoo change have absolutly nothing to do with this inflation.

Cant figure the issues? It says it RIGHT there. Incursions arent the problem.

What it does show as well as even though low and nullsec incursions have a very high payout and can be done with low cost ships they don't get done. Why is that? They supposedly have higher pay than anoms? right?

Or is it that even with the free Cyno jams and ability to run with far less and make more still. They don't get run because its interfering with the real income source which in my opinion is mass scale botting.

Don't give me that crap about numbers online. VGs require a small amount of people.

Nullsec pays better. ALOT better. Goons know that as they run them.

You can try to defend the actions of other alliances all you want but the sheer amount of nullsecs that pop without intervention speaks for itself in my opinion.

Incursions? The cause of this thing this weekend?

Not so sure about that.

Not saying goons do this but I have heard of people expelled and blacklisted for bot reporting. Of course it would likely involve someone telling another blue or saying in corp or alliance that they had reported or spotted a bot.

Don't have to actually remove that many members. If many think you have the power to spot them reporting. You get the point.


Edit: My main point is encouraging you and others to start getting serious about reporting blue bots before they really do end up lowering bounty payments.

Incursions are (currently) significantly less than bounties in terms of ISK injection.

Knowing how feb's bounty numbers break out will give some idea (albeit inferential) about where the biggest ISK faucet is in EVE.

If people are worried about hyper-inflation caused by ISK faucets, which I think is pretty lolworthy....but it is my opinion, then knowing where the biggest faucet is necessary.


Hint: It is not currently Incursions

The only thing coming out of nullsec of late is 'nerf highsec, nerf wormholes, lowsec is fine, buff nullsec' with little regard to the fact that you need income to support a PvP lifestyle, and if you nerf highsec enough, all you're going to accomplish is that the only way to get out of highsec is in the arms of an entrenched and bloated nullsec coalition.

Where does the idea to nerf highsec (and just highsec) ever come in the minds of people wanting to fix inflation? NPC bounties are much, much more plentiful in nullsec than in highsec, incursions pay out a lot more in dangerous areas than highsec. Even ship deaths you may suffer while generating NPC bounties end up adding even more ISK into the economy.

You had better get started then eh? Considering their next step is to nerf bounties. If nullsec folks can report blue bots and people get serious about reporting hisec bots. Inflation may be able to be stopped. Or atleast slowed to acceptable levels.

Are you serious? Or are you a botter yourself?

Which I assume what you mean by adjustments are changes to VGs to remove blitzing while boosting assault and HQ income right?

Side question when will we see a dev blog about those changes? After fanfest right? And will we have plenty of time to test them on Sisi to make sure there arent any surprises right?


Yet thanks for yet again pointing how wrong many are about Incursion Inflation. They just don't get it. In my opinion all they see is rage from Incursions providing an alternative to broken nullsec.

I wonder how many times they have to say Incursions arent the main thing causing the inflation before you just get the point?

BTW you do realize that HQs and Assaults make a tiny portion of injected Incursion isk right? A 10M boost per site will do minimal increase in the long run.

I am going to just say you know very little about HQs and leave it at that. Again they look good on paper but poor in implementation.

Now about your "across the board" nerf. You don't seem to understand that will just make those with the money even more valuable and powerful. The MAIN thing that has to happen is attacking the bots on every level of the game. You can do a nerf of say a dock tax or some other BS and that will all together equal to maybe ONE bot lord.

Get them out of the game and the game will benefit. If you have to break up alliances that have "Dont report blue" rules so be it. Got to get serious about botting.

People are losing ships in incursions. RIsk free my ass.

You don't have to pay "less" explicitly... just don't pay ISK. Pay in something the market can put a pricetag on instead of trying to tell the market what ISK is worth.

the bounty nerf will harm legit players a hell of alot more than bots.

Because you'd have more people doing assaults & HQ's if their ISK/hour were mre on par with Vanguards... if it were not for the time to set these fleets up they are ALOT more fun then Vanguards and more ships are lost more often because of the higher Alphas. The less ISK/ hour because they are not such a grind makes them worth it but talking people into doing them with the extreme dispaity in profit per hour always makes it a difficult proposition especially for NCN's

Well as more than a few people have pointed out, ISK entering the game right now isn't a problem. What I suggested doesn't need to be applied globally... I'm just saying it could be. I totally agree though, deflation of any kind would actually be a bad thing, and is a lot more dangerous than inflation because if deflation go out of control it would really wreck the game experience.

Has anyone actually considered how much of an ISK sink Dust 514 might be?

Think about it, we pay one group of dust bunnies a bunch of ISK (which they then get blown up) to go and blow up another group of dust bunnies ISK.

Damn. I thought you were getting it.

NO!!!! Bad baltec1! Bad!

Yes the flow of ISK into the game is a problem, but within the context of my proposed fix the lack of ISK flowing into the economy could conceivably be the problem because it would cause deflation. NO inflation and deflation are not equally "bad"... deflation would be worse because the lack of ISK in the economy could mean that it is a lot harder to pull together investment capital for large industrial projects and the economy would stagnate. Inflation is good for the economy and helps it to grow! Hyper-inflation is not here yet but we are getting there uncomfortably fast and that could be a whole other ball of wax/problems.

Gah. I'm over it. I don't even care. I'm rich. I have a hanger full of PLEX. You guys want to hyper inflate the ISK go ahead. I'm hedged to the hilt. The people who suffer most are going to be anyone who makes money from PvE (miners or producers exempt) and new players. I feel bad for the noobs, but the rest of you are doing it to yourselves.

~fin

You do realize speculation on Drone bounties and a war themed expansion are causing people to stock up right?