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Vexed
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Posted - 2004.05.13 17:37:00 -
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I don't care either way, just like to make some comments on the current situation.
Wars in empire space take place, amazingly, in space controlled by empires which in turn are policed by Concord. I'm sure Concord who are supposed to uphold law and order would look on with a certain amount of distress, a large aggressive corporation suddenly and for no apparent reason declare war on another that is small in comparison and is in no way inclined to engage in a war that will most likely mean their demise, and would likely intervene.
I'm pretty certain when CCP implemented the ability to declare war on another corp it was intended that it would not be used in this manner. I could well be wrong but it just seems odd.
To the guy who said to leave for a game that has consentual PVP, I'm pretty sure with the advent of Shiva he will be playing a game that requires consent to PVP, in empire at least.
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Posted - 2004.05.13 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Vexed on 13/05/2004 17:46:57
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I think you got a little mixed up there, sugarpie! We're the small corporation and they're the large one.
It is irrelevant the size, I was using that for argument's sake. I will simplify my answer next time I guess.
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Posted - 2004.05.13 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Shevaun Ashnirelim
Vexed: It wasn't "for no reason" - they had battleships, and we wanted them for free. I know you carebears like to scream "but it's for no reason!", whereas that simply isn't the case.
Well you're obviously right because you played the 'carebear' card of which I obviously am, even though the first thing I said was:
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I don't care either way but....
Oooh, ooh, griefer! There I win 
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Posted - 2004.05.13 18:11:00 -
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Just to finish up because as always no one can give an impartial view.
Originally by: Shevaun Ashnirelim
Vexed: It wasn't "for no reason" - they had battleships, and we wanted them for free.
Just proves the point that people are using wars in a way that was originally unintended. Not because you have any disagreement with the corp you are at war with, you're just trying to ransom them, read pirate them, in empire space using the war function to enable such a practise.
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Posted - 2004.05.13 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shevaun Ashnirelim
Please point out the section of the EULA which states that wars are expressly for the resolution of disagreement between corporations, or the dev blog where the inventor of the war function stated that it is only meant to be used to resolve disputes. Until you produce such evidence, your assertion regarding the true purpose of wars is speculation and thus meaningless.
As above they are planning implementation of making both sides agree to the conflict, do you read what I'm posting or just reply automatically?
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I'm afraid from a bystander's point of view, the Monkeys are winning here, as far as rational discourse is concerned.
Vexed, um, pirates don't pirate because they have a grievance. They pirate because they want something the other party has. It's pretty simple, really ...
Now, please continue. I wish to see if these Monkeys might be fun to war with ... but I don't think our members are ready yet. Most of'em are still on their first frigate ...
Is this about pirating or wars? I think the declaration of wars is the subject of this topic. Pirating isn't supposed to be allowed in >.4 systems is it? Concord are supposed to protect people aren't they? Oh right just declare war and carry on as normal........
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Posted - 2004.05.13 18:39:00 -
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In the larger scheme of things, things will invariably change.
Unfortunately the 'carebears' have an overwhelming majority, and the more of 'them' that put their reason for cancelling their accounts as 'Player Killing' the more protected empire will become.
Missiles are being reworked so frigates cannot fire devastating salvos that 'griefers' used to wreak havoc in empire space with alts. Is that the cause of the change? Who knows....
Wars are being reworked so that both sides must agree to the conflict before fighting begins. Is it people like you causing the change? Who knows....
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Posted - 2004.05.13 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shevaun Ashnirelim
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As above they are planning implementation of making both sides agree to the conflict, do you read what I'm posting or just reply automatically?
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Tell you what, when that happens we'll adapt. Until it does, you really have remarkably little say in the matter. Lie back, relax. Think of England.
You asked me to tell you who had indicated it was not being used in the way it was intended, Shiva is not far off and you come back with a response like that?
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Posted - 2004.05.13 19:19:00 -
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Well thanks for the 'I know more because I've being playing EVE since 1975' post. You may well be right, Shiva may be way off. You may well be right, they may never make wars consentual. Only time will tell.
Anyways I got involved in this argument to put their point across and it's gone on way too long. Carry on destroying small corps, he already said some of his members have left, wonder what they put on their reason for leaving form if anything.
I had the most fun ever when my main character from my other account was at war in empire with several large corps due to affiliations with undesirable which eventually made me decide to leave said corp. We had good fun and we lost loads and killed loads. In the end I came out better off with loot etc but the reason for the war was genuine, not piracy in disguise.
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Posted - 2004.05.13 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Drahcir Nasom
Originally by: Raem Civrie
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Also, who said we were alts? The victims. I don't know of any statement from us about that.
Originally by: Shevaun Ashnirelim
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We came at your Moas and your Thoraxes and your Caracals with our Incursus frigates to give you a fighting chance, rather than bringing the battleships and interceptors from our main accounts.
Perhaps you ought to learn to read properly as well.
Drahcir Nasom
Rofl
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Posted - 2004.05.13 21:02:00 -
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Don't call us carebears for disagreeing with your uber ganking of a mining corp. Griefer! 
Oh and josh, ebil techell, ebil ebil techell!
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Posted - 2004.05.13 21:18:00 -
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I totally agree with the above poster. No one wants consentual wars but as the devs put it 'people with less self control' ruin certain aspects of the game.
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Posted - 2004.05.14 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Stavros
rooflies the whining of nubs is like music to my ears. Black Monkies remind me of me when I was younger, in a little system called Mara/Passari...
Anyway yeah Black Monkies > You, GET IT?
In conclusion you should all consume some sort of poisonous substances, for example bleech or maybe paint thinner...
This will help the eve community in general as well as lowering the fhagatory level of the aforementioned community.
Thanks for taking the time to read my valuable and intersting post and remember me or people I like are always right.
Stavros (THE THREE LEGGED ONE)
Oh look a pirate sticking up for a pirate corp, well whatever next. Touchy subject this, let's bump it up and **** everyone off
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Posted - 2004.05.14 01:39:00 -
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Woah, a sensible, intellectual post. I totally agree by the way.
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Posted - 2004.05.14 03:40:00 -
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lol this thread has to get locked down sooner or later, let's all keep trying! bringing politics in will speed it up!
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Posted - 2004.05.14 03:49:00 -
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People obviously (and I don't blame them) can't be bothered to read the whole thread, it's NOT about pirating, it's about declaring wars. I'm not gonna start arguing, I may well start spouting off random abuse just to get this locked though
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Posted - 2004.05.14 04:19:00 -
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7 pages now :) This argument is not that common and there have been some exceptional posts. All in all let them run new players out of the game. Nothing will stop people picking soft targets and this is the result. It's just an extension of piracy in empire space. I'm not anti pvp at all, am very for pvp, just not in this fashion.
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