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Inanna Zuni
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Posted - 2008.06.19 23:11:00 -
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Six of the nine CSM members met in person today and walked into the CCP offices for an initial chat. It went well and nobody killed anyone else. There may have been a moment or two where this was in doubt, but it passed. Tomorrow we will be getting down to the first day of discussions on the topics - raised by pilots - which we are bringing to CCP and the Devs for their response.
Inanna Zuni
(The other three members are en route and expected here shortly; their flights were due in only during the last hour)
My principles
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.06.20 00:12:00 -
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I was one of those six in case anybody wondered 
(was good to meet people face and face and have an entertaining discussion)
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Kai Wooglin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.20 00:59:00 -
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Any reason you all are being all mysterious as to whom the others were?
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.20 01:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Kai Wooglin
Any reason you all are being all mysterious as to whom the others were?
The fact that they're probably all at a bar with the devs?
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Windjammer
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Posted - 2008.06.20 03:59:00 -
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Couldn't you do something to Darius when he arrives? You know, spit in his beer when his back is turned? Or how about the ole tie his shoe laces together when he's not looking? I'll give you a nickel. How about it?
Windjammer
P.S. Okay, fine. How about a dollar?
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Martin VanBuren
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Windjammer
Couldn't you do something to Darius when he arrives? You know, spit in his beer when his back is turned? Or how about the ole tie his shoe laces together when he's not looking? I'll give you a nickel. How about it?
Windjammer
P.S. Okay, fine. How about a dollar?
can you at least pretend to have some class 
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Fallorn
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Martin VanBuren
Originally by: Windjammer
Couldn't you do something to Darius when he arrives? You know, spit in his beer when his back is turned? Or how about the ole tie his shoe laces together when he's not looking? I'll give you a nickel. How about it?
Windjammer
P.S. Okay, fine. How about a dollar?
can you at least pretend to have some class
If only these forums had ignore lists.
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Inanna Zuni
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Wooglin
Any reason you all are being all mysterious as to whom the others were?
Not especially; Darius, Bane and Serenity were all on flights which arrived later in the day (as that was what is available on those routes). Maybe there was a little of the "omg! who might they have ambushed?" about it ;-P
IZ
My principles
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Slanty McGarglefist
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.06.20 13:47:00 -
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Someone please bring a camera so that we may observe the drama between Darius and Jade in real time?
Thanks.
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KeratinBoy
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.20 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist
Someone please bring a camera so that we may observe the drama between Darius and Jade in real time?
Thanks.
I wager 400 quatloos on Darius.
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Windjammer
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Posted - 2008.06.21 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Martin VanBuren
Originally by: Windjammer
Couldn't you do something to Darius when he arrives? You know, spit in his beer when his back is turned? Or how about the ole tie his shoe laces together when he's not looking? I'll give you a nickel. How about it?
Windjammer
P.S. Okay, fine. How about a dollar?
can you at least pretend to have some class
Well I was kidding. I thought goonswarm prided itself on humor.....usually at the expense of others, true, but humor all the same. Apparently not when they feel their leader is under attack. Normally you'd be right, but my post was made as a joke on this occasion. Keep your powder dry for the real fights.
Windjammer
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Rastasunniesman
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Posted - 2008.06.22 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Windjammer
Well I was kidding. I thought goonswarm prided itself on humor.....usually at the expense of others, true, but humor all the same. Apparently not when they feel their leader is under attack. Normally you'd be right, but my post was made as a joke on this occasion. Keep your powder dry for the real fights.
Windjammer
There was no humour in either posts, you are a bad poster and particularly unfunny. I suggest that you stop posting and hang yourself in your mothers basement.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.22 10:14:00 -
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it's been a few days how is it going? |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.06.22 11:40:00 -
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Been really good so far, a lot of people are going to be very surprised at just how seriously this CSM process has been taken by CCP, the press, the CSM delegates and everyone else involved in the conference.
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Hermia
Steel Daggers
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.06.22 12:12:00 -
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thats good to hear,
if you omit "Monstertrucks for titans" most of the proposals have been sensible and thought out (beyond what we've seen in previous years). Perhaps ccp really did have to buy this kinda feedback.
its a public relations boon anyway you see it.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Hermia
thats good to hear,
if you omit "Monstertrucks for titans" most of the proposals have been sensible and thought out (beyond what we've seen in previous years). Perhaps ccp really did have to buy this kinda feedback.
its a public relations boon anyway you see it.
well kinda.. did you see the artbook yet? they have titans on wheels more or less :P the rapetrains look like a lot of fun.
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Plumpy McPudding
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.23 14:42:00 -
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This was a triumph
IÆm making a note here
HUGE SUCCESS!
ItÆs hard to overstate
my satisfaction
Aperature science
We do what we must
because we can
for the good of all of us
except the ones who are dead
But theres no sense crying
Over every mistake
You just keep on trying
Till you run out of cake
And the science gets done
And you make a neat gun
For the people who are
Still alive
IÆm not even angry
IÆm being so sincere right now
Even though you broke my heart
And killed me
And tore me to pieces
And threw every piece into a fire
As they burned it hurt because
I was so happy for you!
Now these points of data
Make a beautiful line
And weÆre out of beta
WeÆre releasing on time
So IÆm glad I got burned
Think of all the things we learned
For the people who are
Still alive
Go ahead and leave me
I think I prefer to stay inside
Maybe youÆll find someone else
To help you
Maybe Black Mesa
That was a joke, ha ha, fat chance
Anyway, this cake is great
ItÆs so delicious and moist
Look at me still talking
when thereÆs science to do
When I look out there
It makes me glad IÆm not you
IÆve experiments to run
There is research to be done
On the people who are
still alive
And believe me I am
still alive
IÆm doing science and IÆm
still alive
I feel fantastic and IÆm
still alive
While youÆre dying IÆll be
still alive
And when youÆre dead I will be
still alive
Still alive
Still alive
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2008.06.23 15:33:00 -
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Just got back home today.
The meeting a success, the CSM acted professionally overall, CCP were open and gave both well considered answers and together we had good debate/discussion around what's possible/not possible for all the recommendations.
Minutes etc. will take a while to put together, as we covered over 30 issues as well as lessons on how to improve the CSM recommendation process during the 3 days.
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.23 15:59:00 -
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Does that mean we will soon see threads in the Proclamation forum.
I'd love to get an overview of all Minutes ect.
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2008.06.23 16:46:00 -
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Ank and myself will be going over the minutes as soon as we are able to.
Other than that, I cant do anything but echo serenity's comments. It was an amazingly productive trip. I just gotta catch up on some sleep...
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.23 17:58:00 -
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Good to hear that it was productive.
I'm looking forward to the minutes.
I hope you all had a great time there.
How are the yogurt deserts ? :)
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Hamfast
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:19:00 -
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Are the minutes ready yet??? No...
Ok, how about now?
Glad to hear all went well and that CCP was as commited to the CSM as they were.
Looking forward to the minutes/outcome.
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sqalevon
How are the yogurt deserts ? :)
we didnt have those, but the CCP cooks made some amazingly delicious cake :O
Training Director :: EVE University
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
we didnt have those, but the CCP cooks made some amazingly delicious cake :O
Yeah, Solvej is good at that stuff! 
I just arrived at home 5 minutes ago. I'm extremely excited about the outcome of this CSM meeting. I simply can't wait till the minutes are released!
CCP listened to us indeed and they were quite open about how we could influence their planning. So overall good stuff.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/06/2008 21:15:24
Just got back myself.
All in all it was an excellent weekend, extremely productive, very interesting and I think we've actually done a lot of high quality brainstorming on some pretty key issues.
And we managed all this in the full glare of intense press attention and camera crews with a great deal of professionalism and intellectual investment from both CCP and the CSM. Really was a bold experiment and hats off to the ccp guys who talked the company into taking this risky venture - it absolutely paid off!
I can't imagine how it could possible have gone better to be honest.
Was really great meeting everyone and I considered it an honour and a privilege to be a part of this superb inaugural CSM.
(details are gonna have to wait till we've slept I think)
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sqalevon
How are the yogurt deserts ? :)
It's called "Skyr". They get upset when you call it yogurt.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
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Athre
The HIgher Standard
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Posted - 2008.06.24 00:59:00 -
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looking forward to reading the minutes as well as seeing the newspaper articles.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2008.06.24 11:16:00 -
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Just got back also.
CCP clearly treated the whole process pretty seriously. Our meetings were with senior devs from pretty much every department within CCP - many of whom were giving up their own personal time over the weekend to participate in the process.
I wont go into too much detail as minutes will explain more but basically on simple issues we basically got yes/no answers and if it was no we got pretty good/straightforward reasons why it was no!
On more complex issues it was clear that much of what we were proposing was already being looked at by CCP. On some items we were definitely 'in-tune' and on others CCP explained why 'technically' certain things wont work (or may work - but only if gigantic resources in terms of programmer time are thrown at them - but even there we sometimes came to compromise 'solutions' which CCP are looking into.
What was very rewarding for me, and other CSM delegates, was when occasionally there was a a 'lightbulb' 'Eureka' 'Why didn't we think of that?' moment where a CSM idea/suggestion either directly or indirectly prompted some sudden insight and improvement idea. It actually made us feel like we did have something useful to bring to the party! 
It was also interesting to see how the various carebear vs hardcore PvP dynamics play out even within CCP and I particularly loved the reaction of one dev (who shall remain nameless) during the can flipping debate - who loudly exclaimed 'But that's my stuff'
In summary it was a great experience and I think both the players and CCP will benefit from it going forward. My main concern is on timescales - while CCP are taking forward a lot of our suggestions these are by no means guaranteed to enter the game short term (or even by the time the next CSM has to be elected). But at least we know they are on the agenda and in the 'pipeline' now - and we will of course be using our exalted position as 'internet chieftains' to push things along
Anyway completely knackered (had to take a half day off work this morning) but also very pleased that I took part and that everyone worked a lot better face to face than they did in a couple of our online meetings.
Long may that spirit of cooperation last 
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.06.24 13:59:00 -
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Yeah, this is typically the point where an anticlimactic period occurs; you guys are all excited about having done a great job and accomplishing a lot, the rest of us will read the minutes and discuss them and fight over them and maybe come up with even more ideas and [issues], and CCP... will need time to even start implementing some of the stuff y'all discussed, so maybe we'll see it next year or later.
Coding takes a long time, so interest in the whole CSM process will probably disappear long before CCP implements anything, unless you and future CSM Councils keep track of the current [issues] and their status, and CCP implements some sort of status reports for [issues] beyond the initial yes/no/soon response, to keep them on the front page.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.24 15:47:00 -
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So when and where are we going to get the meeting results? I'm getting rather curious.
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