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baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:30:00 - [1] Originally by: Nemesis Kai The Caldari have not lost yet but they are on a back heal all the time I have ever encountered them. It seems fairly normal practice these days to sit in high sec and try and form as big a fleet as possible and to then try and gank a small Gallente force. I have never so far met a Caldari force that will engage any force if they dont have at least twice too three times the number, even then its fairly hard to actually get them to engage and you often have to take the fight to them. This pretty much results in the Caldari looking like nothing but cowards or mission runners still as they seek to try and capture plexes. Its still early days though at the moment the Caldari may well be able to adapt beyond their mentality of needing a huge number advantage to be able to dare to actually fight, because if the Gallente keeps growing in numbers the Caldari's only advantage is gone and the war will be over with Gallente being the winners. If things carry on as they are now the Caldari will lose anyway it will just be a longer amount of time ( Of course as I fight for the Gallente I am bound to say this) This can be blamed upon the nano gangs who infest tama. With most caldari flying missile boats they are at an extream disadvantage and thus dont like taking them on. Its all fine saying fly hugginns. rapiers and use turrets but alot of these guys dont have those skills or only have the basic ones trained. As a result alot of the militia are terrified of engaging them since there is little they can do. This will end once the CM start being able to field nanos like the gallente can at the moment but its going to be a while before that happens.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:34:00 - [2] Originally by: Jones Bones Nanos are not your problem. I have yet to see a nano gang engage Caldari, or Caldari engage a nano gang. Your problem is FCing. We had a 40v60 fight against Caldari yesterday and they called primary alphabetically. But at least you fight. Us Minmatar have to leave our battlezone with the Amarr to find fights these days. Spend some time in tama and you will see differently. Every day I log on there is a nano gang of at least 10 sitting 200km off the nour gate sweeping in and picking off targets. I not seen a single one die at all, even when boro's 120 man fleets are on the gate. As I said we have an ungodly amount of missile ships and little of anything else and its going to take time for these people to train up in something else. However having said that I admire pirate dave and his gang for staying and taking on larger forces. I wouldnt be suprised if his gang were responsible for alot of the gallente militia's kills.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.20 13:07:00 - [3] Edited by: baltec1 on 20/06/2008 13:14:31 Originally by: Antigonos Originally by: baltec1 This can be blamed upon the nano gangs who infest tama.... Just because you see ships flying around with mwd activated does not mean they have nanofitting. Strange, the most gangs i am in are t1 fitted ships with normal pvp setups and maybe mwd fitted. But i guess it feels better to invent a reason why caldari lose so many ships than to just accept the truce. It is just the same like when people say that they had heavy lag when they losed ships. With Brackets of there is barely any lag in the fleetfights against caldari. When they can fly from 150km out to on top of you in a matter of seconds then they are nano. The number one reason why caldari will not go into tama even when they outnumber the camp 3-1 is because they are nano and its a waste of time trying to chase them. I cant start to describe just how annoying that is. Not too long ago there was a single geddon on the gate but nobody would go through to engage it because a nano gang was in the area. That was their exact words... I want to pvp but I cant take tama alone
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.20 13:34:00 - [4] Originally by: Andrew shi'tra Originally by: baltec1 When they can fly from 150km out to on top of you in a matter of seconds then they are nano. Actually, That would be what's known as "warping", you DO know that when you're outside of 150km from something you can warp to it, right? Even if it's on the same grid. So they sit 160 km out, And warp to the gate when a target gets in, No need for nanos to do it. And what nanoship do you think could ever go 150km in seconds? even with 10km/s (VERY rarely seen outside of a tiny minority of ships (a few inties, Machariels, Vagabonds) it'd still take 15 seconds, Plenty of time to get out, even in most battleships. Or did you think all nano ships do 30 km/s? if so, you're completely clueless. why is it that these people ALWAYS show up when someone even mentions a slight dislike of nano They fly in, grab a target and then bug out. Its a good tactic and works very well at the moment. The caldari militia is terrified to engage them and most don't have the toys to do anything about it at the moment. I personaly have a snipoc with a range of over 200km and the ability to hit these things, but I need a fleet to protect me from close combat and that just is not happening. I do belive that some of these nano ships out there are going too fast but if I can get the chance I will make them pay dearly for having paper thin armour. I have also said several time in this thread that this problem will in time fix itsel as more and more CM get nano ships of their own. Next time try not to fly into a thread with your arms flailing and spouting "OMG STFU NEWB" and read.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.20 13:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Tenuo Because the whines are: Unjust Useless Clogging up the forums. This has been going on for a year, we've been through 2 (or is it 3) expansions, several patches. What has been done? Nothing, I think this is a clear indication that CCP does not find it out of line. and that applies to what I said how?
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.20 14:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Tenuo Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Tenuo Because the whines are: Unjust Useless Clogging up the forums. This has been going on for a year, we've been through 2 (or is it 3) expansions, several patches. What has been done? Nothing, I think this is a clear indication that CCP does not find it out of line. and that applies to what I said how? I'll just quote you. Originally by: baltec1 why is it that these people ALWAYS show up when someone even mentions a slight dislike of nano so you just going to ignore everything else I said about this being a temporary problem, giving prase to a nano gang and showing that I have ways of dealing with them...
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.20 22:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Tojo Chigurh I have a corollary question then. Bottom line, the gallente militia is more experienced than the caldari. Why? Is it because experienced pvp corps are only joining the gallente or are the ships better? I'm inclined to believe the former. Which means the key to turning the war is to somehow get pvp corps to join caldari, which I assume they won't because of the obvious n00bish connotation of fighting for caldari. The CM are learning rather quickly. The problem is that its going to take time for them to train the skills they need and get used to a new way of playing. Having FC's such as Boromor and Violant Scorn is going to be a massive help with the training.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.21 08:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Originally by: baltec1 ... I want to pvp but I cant take tama alone[:cry: You're correct. lol I loved that fight. I lost an apoc after getting primaried by the 3 carriers and came right back in an inbis since the station only had industrials and no guns. Gotta thank the gal's for bringing this one
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.21 12:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Originally by: baltec1 ... I want to pvp but I cant take tama alone[:cry: You're correct. lol I loved that fight. I lost an apoc after getting primaried by the 3 carriers and came right back in an inbis since the station only had industrials and no guns. Gotta thank the gal's for bringing this one Hats off to you then. Only the above mail is on www.gallente.net for you. But I guess you were fighting FOOM who have their own KB. I'm pleased to see that after they abandoned BRUCE "damn spies!" their carriers are still getting minced and the lessons are still not learnt. Good work Caldari Militia! :) Just a shame that the gallente showed up when they did, if they had held off for another 10 min then we could have walked away with all 3 carrier kills Im a bit annoyed with the KB's at the moment. The CM one is not showing all the losses and kills for some reason even though they are posted and the gallente one has no losses at all for their faction
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.21 16:31:00 - [10] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Originally by: Rapture001 Are Moa's usable? Looks great to create a wing with 10 to 20 Moa's and sniping those nano's at long range. The thing about fighting in Caldari FW, is that the enemy will go after the soft targets first. They're after padding their kill scores with easy kills, for the most part, not fighting anything that poses a challenge - and a nano HAC has more than enough DPS to drop a piddly sniper Moa. Just give them targets they really don't want to fight. Plated tech 1 sniper battleships with excellent tracking and t2 guns is all you really need. Like I recommended previously, try a pulse snipoc. I have I would have never thought of using pulses to snipe with but looking at EFT now It should prove to be a real problem for nano's. Gonna put it though its paces over the weekend and if its any good I might just roll with it as my standard BS.

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