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Uzume Ame
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.22 11:15:00 -
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If you get angry at people for doing whatever they want in this game you seriouslly need to get a life. Yeah I don't udnerstand for what do you want to grind iskies for life and never use them blowing stuff up, that's after all what this game is about (all is based around blowing ships & stuff), but I don't make a personal issue out of that.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.22 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Havohej on 22/06/2008 11:17:13 EDIT: nvm, I get it now
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Sparc Ambertin
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Posted - 2008.06.22 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Faulkner Edited by: Nick Faulkner on 22/06/2008 01:11:01 I witnessed the battle from my pod and it seems that without proper leadership even 100 militia ships cannot do much damage to alliance fleets. I wonder how the Caldari milita managed to take out the RA carriers recently.
Nah, leadership was fine at least with our fleet. Afair we did get the warning what was about to happen. But soon afterwards we got hit by massive lag. FC kept calling targets half of us didn't even see on overview. It me about 5(!) minutes to board my pod... another 5 minutes to actually reload the clone... shock:] -- "Don't laugh at the frigate, for he will laugh at you when his friends show up."
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gpfwestie
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.22 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej stuff
You seem very upset that people are enjoying FW
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.22 11:47:00 -
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OMG!111111
Carriers and battleships killing frigs and cruisers. OMG!
This must prove alliances are uber PvP l33t gurus.
Sorry... I give it 0/10
Empire people could if they wanted blow EXE etc away. But they fight FW to have fun, not to be uberleet epeen strokers. The main point with FW is not to lose so much so you can keep on fighting again and again. I¦m sure both EXE and RA lost more ISK wise than the milita(s). Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Augeas
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Posted - 2008.06.22 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej stupid, whiny stuff
Dear Lord, these 0.0-bears are clueless. Here's an idea - leave your laughably inflated ego out in 0.0, along with your terrible politics, mind-numbing POS-warfare, soul-destroying logistics and pointless empty space. The last thing we need is lowsec being as terrible as 0.0.
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malcotch
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.22 12:29:00 -
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I was there for both skirmishes, and what a fun evening it was. This is the whole point of FW is to enjoy yourself. No one is in ships that they cannot afford to loose.
We spent far too long on the Nouv. gate in Tama, which gave time for the Caldari to come up with an effective counter to us. We were getting very limited intelligence, we had a scout but we only got information about the WTs in Nouv and did not get informed about the Neuts and their ship types on the otherside of the gate.
When the battleships jumped in, there were no WT's which delayed the response from the Gallente militia. I helped destroy a battleship before following the order to warp out. Which was a tactical withdrawal under the circumstances.
After regrouping in Villore I joined another fleet. There were reports of Boromors Kessie fleet on the Villore gate in OMS. We took a back route to OMS to suprise them. There were reports that a smart bombing dominix jumped to them first. We soon followed and warped to their position. We destroyed the Caldari fleet with only a few losses!
Also the FW militias are organised, there are some very competent FC's around. You soon notice the difference when you are in one of their fleets. We are here to have fun and totally expect to loose our ships at some point so this encourages more reckless tactics at times which is quite enjoyable!!
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.06.22 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shintai I¦m sure both EXE and RA lost more ISK wise than the milita(s).
RA lost one cyno recon i think, so i seriously doubt it. Isk wise the battle was a massive defeat for EXE, but only because of the carrier we lost to RA, who also killed quite a few of our battleships. The FW guys mainly flying t1 frigs so of course they couldn't lose much, but they couldn't kill much either. Some of them were flying t2 ships or battleships so their isk loss wasn't as small as you would think.
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.22 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej Now some gallente idiot posts about how all the 0.0 alliances had better get their POSes off of the moons in black rise or else all the FW noobs are going to destroy them? Really?
Originally by: General StarScream - Gallente - Empyrean Gallente From 20/6. Every singel (Alliance)/Corp-(not in any of the factions)
That has a pos in Blackrise region, will be infiltrated,Destroyed. Tanted <---. and made fun of on the fourmz for lolz.
You are taking our birth right to fight over thees systems vs the Evil Caldri, and the overpowerd Amarrs.
si habla del rio el loco torro, you are to take down your posses, and withdraw for the region.
if action is not taken, we will not only destory they pos, but allso your hole allaiance/corp.
so let it be known, If you are to own a pos in Blackrise, you have to be in a faction, or you will die.
If you knew who that guy is/was, you'd know people in FW saw that post and gave a collective
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.22 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Roguehalo Edited by: Roguehalo on 22/06/2008 09:41:19 Quote from Havohej :-
"Same for the carebears and noobs in FW right now. They're only doing it so they can get ranks like anksunawhatsherface,"
If somedody in Nourvukaiken says 'x up for plexing fleet' he struggles to get 20 replies.
If somebody in Nourvukaiken says 'x up for combat mission deep into enemy territory'.......well you already seen the results of that.
We could care less about ranks and victory points.
Then why did it take NPC Faction Warfare (CCP hand-holding) to get you to PvP, you social butterflies, you?
It gives alot of those players a reason to fight. Not many carebears think 'hey look a corp, lets dec it!' is something worth doing.
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FluterEx
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Posted - 2008.06.22 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII After the spanking that BOB gave RA and Goons they have obviously realised theyre not suited for 0.0 life so have returned to empire to fight easy targets.
But that ppl wont be easy targets forever when they get mor organised and learn to fit their ships right for fleet battles. --------------------------------------- Only the dead have seen the end of war. |
Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.06.22 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Augeas
Originally by: Havohej stupid, whiny stuff
Dear Lord, these 0.0-bears are clueless. Here's an idea - leave your laughably inflated ego out in 0.0, along with your terrible politics, mind-numbing POS-warfare, soul-destroying logistics and pointless empty space. The last thing we need is lowsec being as terrible as 0.0.
Pointless? I thought that was the point of this game... Now I'm just a lifeless husk
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SpaceSavage
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.06.22 16:27:00 -
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0.0 > Low sec.
Tbh, FW will never work as it was once intended, the thing is, Black Rise now does one thing, it provides people that can actually PVP a huge target rich environment. _______________
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.22 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Originally by: Augeas
Originally by: Havohej stupid, whiny stuff
Dear Lord, these 0.0-bears are clueless. Here's an idea - leave your laughably inflated ego out in 0.0, along with your terrible politics, mind-numbing POS-warfare, soul-destroying logistics and pointless empty space. The last thing we need is lowsec being as terrible as 0.0.
Pointless? I thought that was the point of this game... Now I'm just a lifeless husk
Nah, it's not pointless. The noobs in this thread spewing that crap are the same social butterflies who needed CCP to take them by the hand and give them a reason to do anything other than farm ISK and spin their officer-fitted CNRs and faction-fitted Hulks in the station hangars. They haven't got the ability to think outside the "quest-chain" system of 'progression' employed by more common MMOs and make their own way in this fictitious internet space galaxy. They go through their L1, L2, L3 and finally L4 missions and when they realize that no new missions are forthcoming - there's no PvE "end game" - they just continue repeating the L4 missions over and over and over again, or they mine. Very, very rarely is one bold enough to risk their pixels on L5 missions in lowsec, but those who do have reached the absolute end of their capacity for voluntary risk. Anything more requires grand overtures on CCPs part in the form of hand-holding.
Now, a lot of them will deny this. I hold as proof the recent Aadi Grox incident, where one player used blue emotes to portray some fictional NPC character. This, naturally, led a large group of sheeple to think that he must be some manner of GM or ISD or other official CCP-sanctioned entity. Thinking that Papa CCP had arrived to take them gently by the hand, assuring them that everything was okay, they followed him deep into 0.0. Not just lowsec, no! Zero point Zero! And held by the likes of Pandemic Legion, one of today's "It" alliances at that!
As long as they have "the man" to hold their hand they'll do anything. As long as they need "the man" to hold their hand, they'll never really do anything.
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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Qaedel
Federal Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2008.06.22 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Qaedel on 22/06/2008 16:34:02
Originally by: SpaceSavage
0.0 > Low sec.
Tbh, FW will never work as it was once intended, the thing is, Black Rise now does one thing, it provides people that can actually PVP a huge target rich environment.
You mean RA?
Anyway, the militia's will grow and mature. Let's see how many 0.0 alliances decide to drop caps in Black Rise in a month or so.
Edit: And how many caps actually get out.
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Radix Salvilines
ShockTroopers
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Posted - 2008.06.22 16:35:00 -
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setting up poses in warzones is risky... ban poses from militia warzones and big alliances will have no buisness here :)
Or make random npc spawns on the moons that can put the pos into reinforced :) ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥-☻BPINC☺-♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ |
Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.22 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Radix Salvilines setting up poses in warzones is risky... ban poses from militia warzones and big alliances will have no buisness here :)
Or make random npc spawns on the moons that can put the pos into reinforced :)
Hold your hand even more?
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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Astria Tiphareth
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Posted - 2008.06.22 16:51:00 -
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Amazing really how stupid some people can be.
You'd think reading this mostly pointless bunch of posts that both FW and 0.0 are the best thing since sliced bread - neither side in this argument seems to have worked out that they're both wrong.
If you get into EVE, spend a few hours there, and come away having had fun, then mission accomplished. Why should anyone else give a rat's ass how you do that, or you care about their opinion?
EVE is a sandbox and single server for a reason; it caters to a vast number of different playstyles all of which get the additional fun of interacting with each other. To quote a line often used over in Ships and Modules 'there is no best'. Stop trying to out-prove each other that your style is better. No-one cares.
If FW gets people into PvP, all the better. If 0.0 gets woken up a bit and recruits more people, all the better. I still find it laughable that CCP provides a goal for high-sec people to go into low-sec, and the self-proclaimed elite (of the forums) still find reasons to complain and get angry, even though that's precisely what half of them have been whining about for months if not years. Methinks there's a hint in there somewhere (like if you get to the point of taking all of this personally and ranting and raving about carebears and CSM members as though you're on a soap-box, you might want some valium and perhaps some real life).
As for the topic, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that a badly-led, disorganised, and above all SP-low fleet gets wiped out by an organised alliance fleet. The 0.0 and low-sec alliances have experience, numbers, cash, and SP all behind them. Yet ironically they spent years complaining about low-SP new players not daring to set foot into low-sec. Can't imagine why... ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... |
Qaedel
Federal Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2008.06.22 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej Hold your hand even more?
Because CCP never added any game content for 0.0, amirite?
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Astria Tiphareth
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Posted - 2008.06.22 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Radix Salvilines setting up poses in warzones is risky... ban poses from militia warzones and big alliances will have no buisness here :)
Or make random npc spawns on the moons that can put the pos into reinforced :)
The word sandbox comes to mind... Arbitrary rules are just that, arbitrary. Unfortunately, some arbitrary rules are now enshrined in EVE design; others get shouted down without noticing the other arbitrary rules lived by every day (sovereignty is the one that comes to mind that 0.0 players seem to ignore when complaining about new restrictions).
You could always go do FW on the Amarr/Minmatar side, where there are no new moons or space to control? ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... |
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Qaedel
Originally by: Havohej Hold your hand even more?
Because CCP never added any game content for 0.0, amirite?
I'm not sure... maybe the expression "hand-holding" as I'm using it here doesn't translate well into your native language. By "holding you idiots' hands" I'm referring to having to create an entire expansion and utilize staffers to actively log into the game and lead you tools by the nose through scripted activities just to get you to use what was already there the whole time (that is, lowsec space, empire wars and PvP in general, not to mention gate camps and potentially - though not likely to be successful - moon mining).
When they add cosmos complexes and agents in space and new regions in 0.0, they don't have to have some ISD guy pop up in our space and type in blue text "O hai gais thar sum neu spaces over in dat reejunz etc u gais wan 2 come over thar an do - idk - stuffz? kthx!". We do it ourselves. We don't need the hand-holding.
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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Qaedel
Federal Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej When they add cosmos complexes and agents in space and new regions in 0.0, they don't have to have some ISD guy pop up in our space and type in blue text "O hai gais thar sum neu spaces over in dat reejunz etc u gais wan 2 come over thar an do - idk - stuffz? kthx!". We do it ourselves. We don't need the hand-holding.
Most of the militia members are only involved for the PvP. Anyone who thinks it's about mission running or whatever is an idiot, so your dramatization fails.
Oh, and all that content you listed that CCP added specifically for 0.0 actually is hand holding. Got it?
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Astria Tiphareth
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej By "holding you idiots' hands" I'm referring to having to create an entire expansion and utilize staffers to actively log into the game and lead you tools by the nose through scripted activities just to get you to use what was already there the whole time (that is, lowsec space, empire wars and PvP in general, not to mention gate camps and potentially - though not likely to be successful - moon mining).
Actually the original intent of the expansion when first discussed in dev blogs ages ago was to provide more roleplaying content for the likes of CVA et al. It seems over time to have mutated a little into a reason to get people into low-sec. If you don't believe that that was needed, I would suggest you spend a little time going through Features & Ideas and seeing all the discussions that occurred about why people weren't going into low-sec, ways to get them in, and learn a little about the game that you claim to be so expert in.
In short, convincing and getting people to go pew-pew and lose ships is a mental shift that some take to more easily than others. You clearly managed it easily. The same cannot be said for everyone. Add to that a security hit that means you're stuck ratting to get back into high-sec over time, and you've pretty much screwed the concept for some. EVE is a sandbox, you can't tell people how to play any more than I can. CCP had the sense to provide something that provided PvP, no sec status hit, and a reason to go lose some ISK. I don't call that hand-holding, I call that providing content to a majority. Some fools can call it WoW-ification if they want, but this isn't WoW, this is EVE and long may it stay that way.
Whilst I have respect for the 0.0 players (the ones that don't come in and pretend they're god's gift anyway), I would point out that the majority of EVE accounts has been shown to live in high-sec. It is only fair and appropriate that CCP cater to them occasionally. Adding carriers and titans etc. didn't do much for them apparently. Funnily enough the entire industry and market sector is still screaming for a decent expansion for them.
Oh and I'd like to see some actual evidence of CCP bringing in staff and coordinating FW fleets on a daily basis on Tranquility. Please provide suitable screenshots or links to them, or it didn't happen. Some idiot pretending to be them doesn't make it true, it just makes the fools that followed them look even more stupid. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... |
Qaedel
Federal Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:30:00 -
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High sec players aren't afraid of losing ships. If FW has taught us anything, it's that.
Find a new reason for why players didn't join up with 0.0 alliances in masses. It may have something to do with the players themselves.
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Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:31:00 -
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I was with the Kestrel Fleet that was holding in Nourv during the massacre. Many of us wanted to jump in just to see, but to his credit the FC convinced most of us to safe our one-shot disposable fleet for a more useful purpose (which was win, we ended up blowing up at least four different ships any one of which could have bought our whole fleet).
I know the Alliance guys maintain pretty good forum and diplomatic discipline, so we may never know, but I'm very curious why Executive Outcomes was there? They stomped the Gallente FW blob that we had baited onto the Nour gate in Tama, but was that the reason they came?
I figure the RA hotdrop was part of some ongoing dispute with Executive Outcomes, but I'm really curious whether Executive Outcomes was there to pound FW gangs or whether the Gallente (us, if it had happened sooner or later) were just an annoyance to be brushed aside. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
SpaceSavage
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Marlenus I was with the Kestrel Fleet that was holding in Nourv during the massacre. Many of us wanted to jump in just to see, but to his credit the FC convinced most of us to safe our one-shot disposable fleet for a more useful purpose (which was win, we ended up blowing up at least four different ships any one of which could have bought our whole fleet).
I know the Alliance guys maintain pretty good forum and diplomatic discipline, so we may never know, but I'm very curious why Executive Outcomes was there? They stomped the Gallente FW blob that we had baited onto the Nour gate in Tama, but was that the reason they came?
I figure the RA hotdrop was part of some ongoing dispute with Executive Outcomes, but I'm really curious whether Executive Outcomes was there to pound FW gangs or whether the Gallente (us, if it had happened sooner or later) were just an annoyance to be brushed aside.
We were in the neighbourhood so figured we'd pop into Tama and see whats up.
Doesnt matter if there were Gallente, Caldari or some other Random Corp/Alliance sitting on that gate (Although im pro-caldari...heh), we just figured we'd have some fun, i think the last count was about 82 kills on that Nourv gate hehe.
:)
The thing is, Blackrise is a like a lightbulb in a dark room attracting moths, FW provides plentiful targets and reasonably good fights whether your actually involved in FW or not. _______________
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Bapp
REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Bapp on 22/06/2008 17:42:28 unlucky EXE guys we were waiting for pirate ms in ranser, but.. few guys from gallente force call us for help
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Shgoratchx
Shgoratchx Transorbital
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:45:00 -
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Quote: If you get into EVE, spend a few hours there, and come away having had fun, then mission accomplished. Why should anyone else give a rat's ass how you do that, or you care about their opinion?
Because the ones who do give a rats ass on how other people play Eve (like the 0.0 chest-beating monkey in this thread) take the GAME way too seriously. You can see the ones who have an ego problem a mile off. Its hilarious when you think about it, how someone can take internet spaceships so seriously that they can't comprehend the fact that other people play the game, as a game, for quick easy fun.
FW has brought that quick easy fun to the masses.
Who cares if some 0.0 "hardass" thinks its for carebear noobs who "need to be led by the hand"?
Who cares if it took CCP to implement an artificial gimick to get more people into low-sec?
Those 15,000 players who're currently having a blast under whichever banner they fly under certainly don't... they're too busy having fun.
So grow up you 0.0 "hardasses" and go play your little empire building game out in 0.0, go enjoy your enthralling POS warfare sieges, and continue to get stressed out over your make-believe 0.0 politics. Leave the rest of us to play shoot-em-ups in our T1 frigs, and have a blast doing it
ITS A GAME!
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An Anarchyyt
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:52:00 -
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Every time I hear "the majority of players live in high-sec" and people quote a certain report, it makes me cringe. While it is very well true that the majority of people live there, saying "a snapshot of the location of players right before downtime" is not the same as saying, "this is how many people live there."
Now, on the topic at hand, go RA.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:56:00 -
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Thank you to SpaceSavage and Bapp for satisfying my curiosity! It was awesome (in the literal sense of the word) to hear the scout reports in fleet chat of the carnage on the other side of the gate. And it's the first time I've heard our normally-decisive fleet commander in a dither trying to decide what to do.
I think in hindsight we should have probably waited for the perfect moment and then jumped into Tama as a 150-man ninja-salvage blob. But then, I'm the CEO of Ironfleet Towing And Salvage, I would think that. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
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