Originally by: Danton Marcellus

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What are these alliances doing there to begin with, is there nothing better to do in 0.0?

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Originally by: Qaedel

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Originally by: Havohej

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When they add cosmos complexes and agents in space and new regions in 0.0, they don't have to have some ISD guy pop up in our space and type in blue text "O hai gais thar sum neu spaces over in dat reejunz etc u gais wan 2 come over thar an do - idk - stuffz? kthx!". We do it ourselves. We don't need the hand-holding.

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Most of the militia members are only involved for the PvP. Anyone who thinks it's about mission running or whatever is an idiot, so your dramatization fails.

Oh, and all that content you listed that CCP added specifically for 0.0 actually is hand holding. Got it?

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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You can still steal their stuff.

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Originally by: Danton Marcellus

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If CCP don't want alliances meddling in the FW they can just impose drastic security drops to -10 for even looking at an FW guy wrong.

What are these alliances doing there to begin with, is there nothing better to do in 0.0?

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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You can still steal their stuff.

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Originally by: Havohej

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humiliating all of the chest-beating sheeple who think they're uber because they finally learned how to form a blob (now that CCP has taken them by the hand to motivate them).

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Originally by: Havohej

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In Federate Gallente, hand holds you?

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Originally by: Commander Law

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Its good for them to do such attacks, and from the km, it dont look like Gal nor cald got any big losses.

ExE came out as the loser, and they will pay for there MIndless attack on the Gal Fed. Lucky Ra was able to save the day.

And its very good for big alliance to attack the fw fleets, since those in Fw will learn alot fighting vs someone whom is alot better.

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Originally by: Shgoratchx

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Who cares if some 0.0 "hardass" thinks its for carebear noobs who "need to be led by the hand"?

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Originally by: Shgoratchx

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So grow up you 0.0 "hardasses" and go play your little empire building game out in 0.0, go enjoy your enthralling POS warfare sieges, and continue to get stressed out over your make-believe 0.0 politics. Leave the rest of us to play shoot-em-ups in our T1 frigs, and have a blast doing it

ITS A GAME!

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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You can still steal their stuff.

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Originally by: Commander Law

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ExE came out as the loser, and they will pay for there MIndless attack on the Gal Fed. Lucky Ra was able to save the day.

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Originally by: Havohej

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endless angry comments at FW so called noobs

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Originally by: Havohej

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I've posted that you're all sheep and needed CCP to hold your hand and lead you by the nose to the game that was there the whole time. Co-operative PvP. I also said earlier (idk if it was a couple pages back in this thread, or in a similar thread here in GD) that as a roleplayer-type myself (V:tM ftw!!!) if I wasn't busy helping to build an alliance I'd have my corp in the Minmatar FW in a heartbeat... but I haven't the time - while you're blobbing each other in lowsec to protect or capture some contrived CCP objective, I'll be fighting for billions of my own ISK and hundreds of my own in-game hours spent over the last few months (and on-going). The FW does look fun, but the thought of one day being as big and e-important as goons or RA or BoB... well, okay, maybe not THAT big, but at least as big as smashkill in their prime!, that thought is too exciting to me as a gamer.

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Originally by: Havohej

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Your T1 frigs, and cruisers, and BCs, and BSs, and T2 frigs and T2 cruisers and T2 BCs and even capital ships now from what I've seen on the killboards.

Yes, IT'S A GAME! We'll build our own little empires while you pretend to defend 'your own'... I say pretend because it's not 'your own', it's the one CCP created and which you've adopted because you don't have the wherewithal to forge your own.

Mind you, there are alliances even in 0.0 that don't have the wherewithal, alliances that exist only to feed the coffers of their betters, who aren't even bothering to build toward anything of their own and they're just as laughable - only it's not CCP holding their hands, it's the stronger players... but the end result is the same.

All of you muppets keep making it out as if I'm talking about the pros and cons of FW vs. 0.0 Alliance life. I haven't posted a pro of con about either of those things once yet in this thread - I've posted that you're all sheep and needed CCP to hold your hand and lead you by the nose to the game that was there the whole time. Co-operative PvP. I also said earlier (idk if it was a couple pages back in this thread, or in a similar thread here in GD) that as a roleplayer-type myself (V:tM ftw!!!) if I wasn't busy helping to build an alliance I'd have my corp in the Minmatar FW in a heartbeat... but I haven't the time - while you're blobbing each other in lowsec to protect or capture some contrived CCP objective, I'll be fighting for billions of my own ISK and hundreds of my own in-game hours spent over the last few months (and on-going). The FW does look fun, but the thought of one day being as big and e-important as goons or RA or BoB... well, okay, maybe not THAT big, but at least as big as smashkill in their prime!, that thought is too exciting to me as a gamer.

You guys keep saying that none of you care about the "lolmissions" or any of that crap - you joined FW just for PvP. Well, if that's the case then you argue my point FOR me. You wanted PvP to begin with, but you didn't go do it. You didn't make friends, you didn't go to lowsec, you didn't do any of it. But CCP grabs your hands and there's suddenly a 200-ship blob. I don't care about your choice of playstyles, I just enjoy pointing out your sheep-ness.

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Originally by: IHearULiek Mudkipz

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I thought the militias were leet though and could pwn the big alliances?

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Originally by: Radix Salvilines

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setting up poses in warzones is risky... ban poses from militia warzones and big alliances will have no buisness here :)

Or make random npc spawns on the moons that can put the pos into reinforced :)

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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You can still steal their stuff.

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Originally by: Havohej

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lol trying to explain anything to you sheep is like watching the single conservative guest on the panel show with 3 liberal guests and a liberal moderator try to help the liberals understand even the simplest of points (Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect, anyone?). hi5 EXE for going to gank those muppets and for sticking around for the fight with RA after. An alliance mate was in the area with a neutral alt and saw a good deal of the action, I wish he would've fraps'd it

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Originally by: Qaedel

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Originally by: Havohej

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lol trying to explain anything to you sheep is like watching the single conservative guest on the panel show with 3 liberal guests and a liberal moderator try to help the liberals understand even the simplest of points (Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect, anyone?). hi5 EXE for going to gank those muppets and for sticking around for the fight with RA after. An alliance mate was in the area with a neutral alt and saw a good deal of the action, I wish he would've fraps'd it

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Great. Can you go back to irrelevant anonymity now.

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Originally by: Bomberos

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Originally by: Qaedel

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Originally by: Havohej

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lol trying to explain anything to you sheep is like watching the single conservative guest on the panel show with 3 liberal guests and a liberal moderator try to help the liberals understand even the simplest of points (Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect, anyone?). hi5 EXE for going to gank those muppets and for sticking around for the fight with RA after. An alliance mate was in the area with a neutral alt and saw a good deal of the action, I wish he would've fraps'd it

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Great. Can you go back to irrelevant anonymity now.

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ouch

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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You can still steal their stuff.

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Originally by: Havohej

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Edited by: Havohej on 22/06/2008 07:58:54

Originally by: Ofcourse Imanalt

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CCP said that they didn't allow alliances to join FW to stop them from just taking it over - but isn't that just what we are seeing here?

Yes, people will say sandbox etc etc and they are right, but while in theory militias could combat any alliance doing this û alliances, by game design, are simply better structurally to fight a war than a militia can ever be. Militia realistically can not get its entire force organized for operations, they can not control who joins, they can not prevent spying etc while alliances can.

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I stopped reading at this point. You really have no idea wtf is going on in this game at all. I'll explain it.

FW was born because a small percentage of the playerbase, needing no help or hand-holding from CCP, went out to 0.0 and forged their internet spaceship destinies. Most of the playerbase stayed in highsec crying about how they'd get blown up if they did anything other than farm ISK to buy PvP ships that they'd never use 'cause they're afraid to go to lowsec or 0.0 and actually do something. Those players smacked endlessly about empire wardec corps, lowsec gate campers and just about anything and everything else in the game that could blow up their pixels. There was a great disturbance in the bandwidth, as if 200,000 voices cried out in whine threads and then were silenced by "lol go back 2 wow" posts. (look at my corp name for maximum effect at this point)

So CCP devs said "How do we make these chumps pvp?" and the answer was right there in front of them: lol go back 2 wow..... back 2 wow.... 2 wow.... wow. In World of Warcraft, there are battlegrounds and arenas. If you participate in these things, you earned points, with which you could buy special stuff to use in pvp - so-called "epic" weapons and such. You would also get ranks. Once upon a time, it was stuff like Grunt, Lieutenant, General, Chuck Norris. Now it's stuff like "Gladiator" and such. It all sounds very impressive, I assure you. Many of the WoW players who play battlegrounds and arena don't do any other PvP at all. they don't raid enemy faction cities or anything like that very often... when they do, they do it in huge groups, anything over 50 is considered acceptable (caldari 80 caracal blob strikes into the heart of gallente highsec?).

They're only PvPing at all because blizzard is holding their hands saying, "We want you to do this, we will give you stuff".

Same for the carebears and noobs in FW right now. They're only doing it so they can get ranks like anksunawhatsherface, the CSM carebear who suddenly likes PvP since she can get ranks and stuff. Only because CCP decided to hold your hands. Oh, and let's not forget these new lolfaction cruisers. Faction Osprey with no remote shield repping bonus ftw? Heh...

Now some gallente idiot posts about how all the 0.0 alliances had better get their POSes off of the moons in black rise or else all the FW noobs are going to destroy them? Really?

Originally by: General StarScream - Gallente - Empyrean Gallente

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From 20/6. Every singel (Alliance)/Corp-(not in any of the factions)

That has a pos in Blackrise region, will be infiltrated,Destroyed. Tanted <---. and made fun of on the fourmz for lolz.

You are taking our birth right to fight over thees systems vs the Evil Caldri, and the overpowerd Amarrs.

si habla del rio el loco torro, you are to take down your posses, and withdraw for the region.

if action is not taken, we will not only destory they pos, but allso your hole allaiance/corp.

so let it be known, If you are to own a pos in Blackrise, you have to be in a faction, or you will die.

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And now you want CCP to hold your hand and stop the big, bad 0.0 PvPers from interfering in your noobwars?

gb2wow.

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Originally by: Shintai

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OMG!111111

Carriers and battleships killing frigs and cruisers. OMG!

This must prove alliances are uber PvP l33t gurus.

Sorry... I give it 0/10

Empire people could if they wanted blow EXE etc away. But they fight FW to have fun, not to be uberleet epeen strokers. The main point with FW is not to lose so much so you can keep on fighting again and again. I¦m sure both EXE and RA lost more ISK wise than the milita(s).

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Originally by: Havohej

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Yeah, vicious burn amirite? Better than being another noob in an irrelevant blob, tbh.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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