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Verasity Darkheart
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Posted - 2008.06.23 03:24:00 -
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An honest noob question.
Who is winning the war between Caldari and Gallente, and Ammar and Minmatar?
I am not on the front lines right now sadly for my Caldari brothers and am In the process of making a war industry to compensate for it, but the real question is what is happening out there?
Some opinions would be great for a noob like me, members from "The Scope" would be great to. 
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Elex Akat
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.23 03:34:00 -
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It depends how you look at it. I can tell you about my experiences fighting the Caldari as a Gallente. They heavily outnumber us yet we've managed to beat the crap out of them in most engagements and I think we have more kills than them. They are extremely predictable, they camp gates in ridiculous numbers, sometimes at the same places one consecutive nights. They also have done some really stupid things like camp a gate with almost all newbie frigs and regular T1 frigs. A suicide smartbomb loaded domi took care of around 30 of them and sent the rest running.
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Kora Bequin
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.06.23 03:44:00 -
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The Gallente and Minmatar have been beating the Caldari fairly regularly mostly due to better coordination.
The Caldari attack in larger numbers but their command structure appears to be almost nonexistant.
Within the Gallente, many of the larger corps of the militia have been taking care of planning and operations. It's really what keeps us afloat while the Caldari have failed to gain ground since that first capture.
The Federation will have difficulty later on, though. The Caldari could easily lock us out of their space completely if they were smart about it. Thankfully for us, they don't appear to be.
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Elex Akat
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.23 04:04:00 -
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I agree. We are ridiculously coordinated. The Caldari prefer to just blob with no strategy at all. The Caldari even fail at spying, just today while I was in a complex capturing fleet, my Fleet Commander pointed out that the Caldari were using their names as the names for their ships making them extremely easy to target. Lo and behold, five minutes later they change their ship names.
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Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.06.23 04:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Verasity Darkheart
Some opinions would be great for a noob like me, members from "The Scope" would be great to.
First off, don't trust the Scope, they support the Federation, are extremely bias in their reporting, and do not report the full story. I would suggest taking a look at NoH's or Echelon Entertainment's news feeds over the Scope.
That being said.
While Federation forces were achieving a high kill to death ratio against large numbers of low grade frigates*; State forces occupied Odamia starting 16 June 110. State forces continue to hold the system a week later. So despite success in destroying large numbers of ships worth less than 5 million isk(#); the Federation Defense Union have failed to actually defend their own systems or take any State systems.
On the Empire-Republic (if it can still be called that) front, the Republic forces have been preforming very well and reports I have received indicate that the Empire have lost occupancy of Roushzar. However, the Empire forces appear to be severely outnumbered in terms of available pod pilots.
*It should be noted at this juncture that these frigates tend to have a crew of 1, the pod pilot, who learns from the experience of death. This is extremely beneficial to them becoming better combat pilots.
#I freely admit that I have lost considerably more in terms of isk lost. But Lai Dai and the State reward those who serve.
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Kora Bequin
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.06.23 04:12:00 -
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Edited by: Kora Bequin on 23/06/2008 04:12:41
State forces are only holding onto Odamia due to numbers. It's only a matter of time before the Federation takes it or another system with a better planned operation.
The Caldari struck quickly and took Odamia (a fairly worthless system but a system nonetheless) but now it appears we are at a stalemate.
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Elex Akat
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.23 04:14:00 -
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You Caldari blab on and on about the ISK loss on our part compared to yours. The thign is, a lot of us are usign are best ships while you are blobbing frigates in large numbers that just get torn apart. These frigates are worth significantly less money than the other ships we fly so obviously your ISK loss if less.
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Verasity Darkheart
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Posted - 2008.06.23 04:19:00 -
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Edited by: Verasity Darkheart on 23/06/2008 04:20:23
Thank you my fellow Caldari brothers and the Gallente that have given opinions. I have been on close watch to all news corps and there feedback and it looks like while the Caldari and losing substantial numbers, we are still conquering systems.
I personally only want our Caldari Prime back under our control, the Gallente can keep the rest, but as long as my brothers fight I will continue to support them no matter what.
As for the Ammar/Minmatar front. It saddens me to see my Ammar friends are losing to the Minmatar dogs, it will take much to help them out.
Further reports on how the fronts look will be very helpful for the the future. Neutral opinions will be valued above all else so plz, let me and others know what the front looks like from time to time. :)
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Kitoba
Legion of Dynamic Discord
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Posted - 2008.06.23 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Verasity Darkheart
As for the Ammar/Minmatar front. It saddens me to see my Ammar friends are losing to the Minmatar dogs, it will take much to help them out.
Yes, it will. Please, please teach them some morale and guts so that they don't run each and every time.
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daqor
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Posted - 2008.06.23 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kora Bequin
Edited by: Kora Bequin on 23/06/2008 04:12:41
State forces are only holding onto Odamia due to numbers. It's only a matter of time before the Federation takes it or another system with a better planned operation.
The Caldari struck quickly and took Odamia (a fairly worthless system but a system nonetheless) but now it appears we are at a stalemate.
As you've already stated, the State Protectorate would be beating you if they were better coordinated.
Let's see if they manage to get coordinated eventually, shall we, before you blabber on about a stalemate?
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Verasity Darkheart
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Posted - 2008.06.23 07:08:00 -
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Yes what the Caldari need is good leaders at the moment. I just hope that one day a few elitist will rise from the rubble and lead the Caldari to victory... one day. :(
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.23 07:31:00 -
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It is way too early to talk about winning and losing - this war will not go anywhere for years. Even if all of the border zone gets overrun by the awesome Gallente FCs or the unstoppable Caldari blob, that won't mean it will be over.
We should be prepared for years of this, and worse.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.06.23 07:47:00 -
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History has shown that wars should not be judged by the first battles alone. Open your eyes, tighten your belts and stay committed to your camp. If you see weakness the proper recourse is to help, rather than despair.
Your nation's core territory must not fall into the hands of despicable gallic hedonists. Think of your people with every struggle you face in defending them. Think of what will happen if you give up hope...your home is next should Black Rise falls, as much as mine is should the Bleaklands fall.
Adversity is a fact of war, and every victory comes with a loss.
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Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kora Bequin
State forces are only holding onto Odamia due to numbers. It's only a matter of time before the Federation takes it or another system with a better planned operation.
For some reason, many of the Protectorate's members are convinced that the key to victory is to destroy as many ships as possible, and that the best way to achieve this is to stay in the Tama system all day every day.
Which is complete fedo gas, of course, because the entire point of this militia warfare is that it's all fought by capsuleers, who just step out of a cloning tube a few seconds after being killed, thereby rendering the body count largely irrelevant.
I think the problem stems from the fact that we have a much greater number of capsuleers than any of the other nations - pod pilots are almost ubiquitous in our space industry by now, thanks to the sensitivity of our screening process - damn near anyone who CAN fly a pod, does. Unfortunately, the State's schools have a high turnover, and are for some reason only interested in producing a pilot who's fit to fly, not necessarily a good one.
Hence why most of the protectorate could be accurately described as "barely-competent cannon fodder" for the moment. It's pot luck for us whether any given academy graduate is going to have the wits to know how to properly apply his expensive education.
I have to hand it to the FDU, if they catch word of an attempt by Caldari forces to take one of their systems, they jump on it very promptly (and often, I note, flying Caldari ships...) Just the other day, a fleet under my command was driven away from a major outpost in the Nennamaila system within seconds of its capitulation. It took me more than three quarters of an hour to muster a retaliatory force, by which point of course the site had been secured.
It's only a matter of time before the idiots in the STPR are battered into shape, and we have our share of highly competent FCs. I just wish that time was a matter of hours away, rather than the months I suspect and fear it will be.
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Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.23 08:55:00 -
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Who's winning? War profiteers, Pirates and Scavengers.
My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;)
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.23 09:21:00 -
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The minmatar have made significant advances towards recapturing systems from the Amarrians in the bleak lands with a total of 6 systems recapture as of last check. We are getting very close to capturing a couple full constellations which will be a first in this war.
After a number of large scale fights where the amarrian faction lost far more than they won, they have taken to roaming largely in smaller groups of 3-5 pilots, largely in T1 frigates attacking in the Metropolis region. After some initial advances in this area it seems that they are being chased out of the region again as they fail to make enough offensive captures to threaten any systems integrity.
The past 48 hours have seen a resurgence in larger amarrian fleets in the bleak lands so it looks like they are far from out of the fight but the losses in the bleaks seem to only be increasing for them. The war will not be settled so swiftly but early advances seem to be hugely in favour of the Minmatar Militia down south.
We go on, for our people!
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 09:32:00 -
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If one were to believe the Minmatar propaganda of the last week or so, one might conclude that the Amarrians are in full scale rout and that the war will be over by the mid-winter solstice.
However, to believe the Minmatar propaganda would be a fallacy. Minmatar terrorists have a long and ignoble history of spinning their reports to show themselves in a more favourable light than is really the case.
For how many years have they promised us that a storm was coming to destroy the Empire?
The war will be a long one, and although the Minmatar's warlike and aggressive stance has meant that they have made some limited gains, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the now overly-confident Minmatars are failing to consider one thing.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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MirrorGod
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.23 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
If one were to believe the Minmatar propaganda of the last week or so, one might conclude that the Amarrians are in full scale rout and that the war will be over by the mid-winter solstice.
However, to believe the Minmatar propaganda would be a fallacy. Minmatar terrorists have a long and ignoble history of spinning their reports to show themselves in a more favourable light than is really the case.
For how many years have they promised us that a storm was coming to destroy the Empire?
The war will be a long one, and although the Minmatar's warlike and aggressive stance has meant that they have made some limited gains, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the now overly-confident Minmatars are failing to consider one thing.
You know Rodjy, I haven't seen you on the field once yet 
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: MirrorGod
You know Rodjy, I haven't seen you on the field once yet
That's a coincidence, I've not seen you in space either.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.23 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Minmatar terrorists have a long and ignoble history of spinning their reports to show themselves in a more favourable light than is really the case.
I'm sorry but you appear to have misplaced your pot. I hear you were looking for a kettle? We've got a black one over here. Been using it to have tea on landfall at each system we recover from you :) Big huge kettle, lots of tea for tired crew men.
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Aria Jenneth
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.06.23 10:03:00 -
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Excuse me-- I know this is none of my business whatever, but, to the Amarr and Minmatar pilots, could you possibly bite back your taunts and just get on with shooting each other? Your static clogs every comms channel it appears in.
Unless, that is, you can start generating posts with some content other than venom?
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.23 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Excuse me-- I know this is none of my business whatever, but, to the Amarr and Minmatar pilots, could you possibly bite back your taunts and just get on with shooting each other? Your static clogs every comms channel it appears in.
Unless, that is, you can start generating posts with some content other than venom?
I think some bias is always likely to appear in any post from ardent supporters on any side of a conflict and I suspect that the current increased hostility on fourms is largely due to the fact that pilots ARE in fact shooting each other a lot in space resulting in some high tensions. We live in tumultuous times, passions run high. Some factual content would be nice in more posts though I agree, I'm sure people can read through the excessive biases :)
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Stitcher
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Unless, that is, you can start generating posts with some content other than venom?
On the day that happens, I will sell my battleship.
I was planning on doing that anyway, so don't take too long over it please, folks...
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
If one were to believe the Minmatar propaganda of the last week or so, one might conclude that the Amarrians are in full scale rout and that the war will be over by the mid-winter solstice.
However, to believe the Minmatar propaganda would be a fallacy. Minmatar terrorists have a long and ignoble history of spinning their reports to show themselves in a more favourable light than is really the case.
For how many years have they promised us that a storm was coming to destroy the Empire?
The war will be a long one, and although the Minmatar's warlike and aggressive stance has meant that they have made some limited gains, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the now overly-confident Minmatars are failing to consider one thing.
And Rodj, you've been saying for years that the Minmatar would stand absolutely no chance against the Amarr - that a war would be an utterly forgone conclusion. I believe that the exact words were "When we want the Republic, we will come for it".
Well... you're coming for it, right? So why isn't the Republic falling?
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Daziel Iaar
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Rodj Blake
If one were to believe the Minmatar propaganda of the last week or so, one might conclude that the Amarrians are in full scale rout and that the war will be over by the mid-winter solstice.
However, to believe the Minmatar propaganda would be a fallacy. Minmatar terrorists have a long and ignoble history of spinning their reports to show themselves in a more favourable light than is really the case.
For how many years have they promised us that a storm was coming to destroy the Empire?
The war will be a long one, and although the Minmatar's warlike and aggressive stance has meant that they have made some limited gains, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the now overly-confident Minmatars are failing to consider one thing.
And Rodj, you've been saying for years that the Minmatar would stand absolutely no chance against the Amarr - that a war would be an utterly forgone conclusion. I believe that the exact words were "When we want the Republic, we will come for it".
Well... you're coming for it, right? So why isn't the Republic falling?
Because you're only facing pod pilots and not the full might of the Imperial Navy, you should really learn to distinguish between the two.
May i add i have heard of mirrorgod being in space but he was chased off by laerise after seeing his friend get destroyed by her.
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MirrorGod
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: MirrorGod on 23/06/2008 11:33:47
Originally by: Daziel Iaar
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Rodj Blake
If one were to believe the Minmatar propaganda of the last week or so, one might conclude that the Amarrians are in full scale rout and that the war will be over by the mid-winter solstice.
However, to believe the Minmatar propaganda would be a fallacy. Minmatar terrorists have a long and ignoble history of spinning their reports to show themselves in a more favourable light than is really the case.
For how many years have they promised us that a storm was coming to destroy the Empire?
The war will be a long one, and although the Minmatar's warlike and aggressive stance has meant that they have made some limited gains, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the now overly-confident Minmatars are failing to consider one thing.
And Rodj, you've been saying for years that the Minmatar would stand absolutely no chance against the Amarr - that a war would be an utterly forgone conclusion. I believe that the exact words were "When we want the Republic, we will come for it".
Well... you're coming for it, right? So why isn't the Republic falling?
Because you're only facing pod pilots and not the full might of the Imperial Navy, you should really learn to distinguish between the two.
May i add i have heard of mirrorgod being in space but he was chased off by laerise after seeing his friend get destroyed by her.
Not sure how me retreating from something relates, but I'll bite.
I've been in over 100 skirmishes in the past week, sorry if I don't remeber what you're talking about...what are you talking about?
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
And Rodj, you've been saying for years that the Minmatar would stand absolutely no chance against the Amarr - that a war would be an utterly forgone conclusion. I believe that the exact words were "When we want the Republic, we will come for it".
Well... you're coming for it, right? So why isn't the Republic falling?
Patience, my little jester, patience...
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Daziel Iaar
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:42:00 -
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I'm talking about hearing you've been in space, but the only time i have heard is when you ran away from a confrontation when you outnumbered someone but still fled, that is all.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:45:00 -
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i take it back aria, people really will just argue for the hell of it!
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Overlord Agnew
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.06.23 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Daziel Iaar
I'm talking about hearing you've been in space, but the only time i have heard is when you ran away from a confrontation when you outnumbered someone but still fled, that is all.
Coming from you that is almost meeningless.
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