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FMAR The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.24 04:37:00 - [31] Originally by: Viper **zIe Originally by: Marcus Malos You're next. Time for a change, new blood, will get posting. Lets go get coffee ***** cat, on me. The Tranny Hunter
DHB FooFighter Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.06.24 04:37:00 - [32] Originally by: Viper **zIe Originally by: Marcus Malos You're next. I thought i was next :( -------------------------------------------------
Elrick Coldsmith The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.06.24 04:43:00 - [33] "1. We ran 3 Pos's for the alliance," Interesting, this is in somewhat direct contradiction to the number of POS's you claimed to run when I requested explanation on why you were selling so many pos modules that matched those that went missing. But I suppose all those other pos's are just sitting right next to the fuel that "has already been contracted" right?
mazzilliu Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.24 09:10:00 - [34] Hey BRUCE corp theives(and people with trapped assets in general): I have been/will still be buying any and all items for 50% jita value in those fountain stations with your trapped assets. I don't ask questions as to wwhere you got your items, and your business with me will be kept quiet. I notice there are some corp hangars in the PNQY and G95 stations with some stuff remaining in it. If someone could fish that out for me I will buy everything for 50% jita =)
General StarScream Empyrean Gallente	Posted - 2008.06.24 10:27:00 - [35] Dam that sucks, people whom rip there won corp/alliance are really low. Please resize signature to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Drama Llama DramaLlamaDingDong	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:40:00 - [36] New postby AnarchistUK on Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:57 pm Bruce is folding up, but I hope that we all set each other blue and use a common channel to keep in contact! Some very nice guys in BRUCE and I hope we don't lose contact... :cry: Some of the best times I've had in BRUCE!!! Remember what we put up with... No friendlies. We fought against BOB, PL, CI, TRI, BE, GOONS, RA, ATRUM + many more top PVP alliances! We lost leadership and members when FOOM left us. Forum hacks. Vent comprimised. Numerous thieves (low life scum). We lasted a long time against all that! Why we breaking up? Purely lack of inactivty and our leadership was unfortuently busy in real life (not pointing fingers, but it's a factor). We moved about 20% of BRUCE to Syndicate, which wasn't enough and helped the alliance fail. So back to high sec! Get your corps back up to scratch with recruitment, stay in contact! I hope a new channel will be setup or an exsisting one is chosen. YARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR to my fellow BRUCEs! HA!
Marcus Malos Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:56:00 - [37] Edited by: Marcus Malos on 24/06/2008 12:04:17 Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith "1. We ran 3 Pos's for the alliance," Interesting, this is in somewhat direct contradiction to the number of POS's you claimed to run when I requested explanation on why you were selling so many pos modules that matched those that went missing. But I suppose all those other pos's are just sitting right next to the fuel that "has already been contracted" right? We ran 3 for alliance, and had 34 which were owned by members in corp who were running moon mining networks of which a big chunk were taxed, including 4 drug production pos's, not counting the pos down in Cloud Ring. What happened when we took down our corp towers, oh 30% of the cynosural gen systems went down in a 24hr period, which incidently we all corp purchases and werent fueled with alliance fuel. Unlike the majority of BRUCE corps who were using AllSec pos's as corp manufacturing bases. Look at my thread on the command forums and see how many corps bothered to respond with pos information they were running for alliance, it was 2-3. I know there was a hell of a lot more, what was it 50-100bn in alliance towers individual corps were running? If you want to know what happened its obvious, those corps saw the writing on the wall and decided to keep the assets for themselves, which is why only 2 corps bothered to request pos' fuel, and what about the 15 or so other people with access to the hangars? Could always have checked the secure cans audit features, but again people with those roles never responded on the origional thread, just made vague accusations. In between the time of the theft and when my alt was kicked from the holding corp which was only within the last week how many Da Bruce alts were Biomassed? I counted atleast 5 from automated corp mails.
dr34dd Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:04:00 - [38] Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith Multiple conversations between myself and Marcus resulted in him attempting to explain this was all a mistake, but he was unwilling to offer any confirm-able proof in his defense, and promised repeatedly to deliver said fuel to our Alliance. This has never occurred. We are fairly certain he is the individual responsible due to timestamps and access logs from holding corp alt characters who had access to these assets. We have some indication that other Omen members were aware of and potentially assisted in this theft but this can not be confirmed with in-game evidence. How is it possible to offer "confirm-able proof" of a theft not committed? I of course can't speak on any of your private meetings with Marcus regarding fuel supplies (as I wasn't there) but I can assure you that any implication of involvement of omen members in this is false, Marcus never mentioned anything like this on either corp mail, vent or chat. I'm a believer of the adagium innocent until proven otherwise, you turn that around. As far as the POSses go, Omen took down their personal POSses after it became apperant that Bruce was not willing to defend our assets we put up for the sake of Bruce - do not blame us for the failings and incompetence of your military command, it was weak military leadership and a memberbase not willing to fight for their territory (Omen did their share of defending, we lost enough until you guys backstabbed us) that made us lose the war, not Marcus Malos or any other Omen member. Originally by: Elrick Coldsmith Alliances or corp-mates of these individuals who desire more detailed evidence of these accusations please contact myself or William Mc*****en, the current bruce diplomat. Our internal investigation was fairly thorough and we are all but certain these individuals are responsible for the thefts we are accusing them of. We would be happy to provide hard evidence to relevent and interested parties. If you can offer more (read 'any' to be honest) detailed and/or hard evidence of your accusations against Omen than why don't you just put it in here? As I summarise your post I come to the conclusion that you sofar have only made: Groundless accusations towards Omen based on flimsy circumstantial evidence against alts you did not name and logs that the reader can not even verify. The above while laying the blame on Marcus for not proving he is innocent (which he shouldn't even have to and is also impossible). This looks to me like you are trying to find a scapegoat to put the blame of Bruce's loss on, considering you are part of the military command that is largely to blame for Bruce's failing in the first place that doesn't make you sound very credible. Drea`D
Sorrowed Shade.	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:08:00 - [39] Edited by: Sorrowed on 24/06/2008 12:13:20 Marcus Malos. You sir are full of "S". As a former rep and CEO of one of the founding corps of Bruce i can confirm you are full of it. You did not give months notice and had 3 seperate incidents where ya let POS's go offline due to lack of fueling. You had access and were tasked out with buying the fuel right as FOOM was leaving. You withdrew the isk from the holding corp and never delivered the items. You sir are a liar and a cheat. Your Corp members, oh, and your 2 alt/feeder corps are also liable for theft by association. Shade will engage and attack any and all assets you have in low sec and or high sec whenever logisticaly relevent to us. We will slaughter any with an omen tag at anytime with malice. I personally could care less what you say and or what type of proof you attempt to post here, those of us in the know have all the proof and documentation needed to justify the outright hunting and systematic butchering of anyone associated with you and or your corp. Goat: i have played with you for years and am haveing trouble believing that what has been posted is true. If true, the same will go for any corp you are a member of, unless you reinburse the members of my corp, all the isk they have paid in taxes to supply the ships you are now selling. I take personal affront to any type of selling considering hippie haters paid billions of isk in taxes to these programs over their tenyear in bruce. Our members work is being squadered by thieves, and the least we can do is extract a small portion of our money back in K/Ms. Take a look at our board anytime as we have become quite proficient in the revenge buisness. Good day
Marcus Malos Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:08:00 - [40] Originally by: Viper **zIe Figured, he tried the same thing with me about a year ago before I extracted the few useful members he had and removed his corp for being complete ****. Don't know how these idiots got access to anything, especially after they let Scius back in. You recruited a director who stole our corp wallet and took his friends over and promptly looted most the ships located at our pos's while we were down in outer ring with an alliance gang. Your perspective is "interesting" to say the least. Oh and how long did those people who you extracted with our corp assets stay? A week or two at most, as soon as stuff got tough they ran off over to other alliances like Pure.
Marcus Malos Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:16:00 - [41] Edited by: Marcus Malos on 24/06/2008 12:16:55 Originally by: Sorrowed You sir are full of "S". As a former rep and CEO of one of the founding corps of Bruce i can confirm you are full of it. You did not give months notice and had 3 seperate incidents where ya let POS's go offline due to lack of fueling. You had access and were tasked out with buying the fuel right as FOOM was leaving. You withdrew the isk from the holding corp and never delivered the items. Given the origional forums were deleted I took this quote off kugutsumen's forums Originally by: Spacy Cadette Long post comming, but wanted to point out, judging by omens moon drops, they are also doing what we are. I was wondering about that when I saw that this morning, as I said in the other thread that got deleted last night, I continue to wonder how far along the failure cascade this alliance is in right now. The Goons and PL are pulling the classic move on us, and we continue to move along that path IMHO. That was from the FOOM internal posts about pulling out of BRUCE.
Aneu Angellus Revival.	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:19:00 - [42] Lets find a scape goat! Hey i know, lets blame Marcus, YES LETS ALL DO IT! Jesus, its pretty obvious, when an alliance dies its a FFA on all alliance assets, if you dont get any, its your fault, if you do, then your in luck! End of discussion tbh... ________________
Sorrowed Shade.	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:31:00 - [43] Hey marcus, i have all 2300 posts nicely converted to PDF that were on the reps forum. I will not be posting them or copying anything from them. I do not care what you say or how you rationalize your action. I know, in my mind, based of factual evidence you did what i said you did. I dont care how much you try and spinn this on CAOD or how you justify it to the community at large. I need no other entity nor ask for any assistance. We will be comming, may not be this week, may not be next as we are under contract quite a bit, however know this sir. When you are most comfortable, we will come. I certainly hope your noobs squeel well, and i hope you fuel your towers now better than you did in bruce. when we find em, they will be going down one way or another
Eltyron North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:32:00 - [44] Now that BRUCE is officially disbanding, I just wanted to wish BRUCE pilots the best of luck in the future. Pick friends with a true vested interest in you and with concrete proof that they are willing to help you when it matters. Adapt to the ever changing conditions this game throws at you. Do not blindkly trust people, especially your leadership when you suspect something amiss. Don't let pride or ego cloud your judgement, sometimes its best to recognize that you are not as great as you make yourself out to be. There is no shame is realizing your own shortcomings. Numbers aren't always everything. As a parting jibe: PL warned you/gave you better options. You can keep your shining armor all the way to high sec. waves a fond fairwell from PNQY, 7BX and U-S while using Dyprosium/Promethium/Shadow Serp modules as toilet paper (Mazz's offer to buy your stuff at 50% Jita is more than fair, you won't get anything better from anyone else who takes Fountain over)
Aneu Angellus Revival.	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Sorrowed Hey marcus, i have all 2300 posts nicely converted to PDF that were on the reps forum. I will not be posting them or copying anything from them. I do not care what you say or how you rationalize your action. I know, in my mind, based of factual evidence you did what i said you did. I dont care how much you try and spinn this on CAOD or how you justify it to the community at large. I need no other entity nor ask for any assistance. We will be comming, may not be this week, may not be next as we are under contract quite a bit, however know this sir. When you are most comfortable, we will come. I certainly hope your noobs squeel well, and i hope you fuel your towers now better than you did in bruce. when we find em, they will be going down one way or another So, Sarrowed, tell me... what exactly would have happened to those modules had they been left? Are you sore about not having them yourself? :( ________________
Sorrowed Shade.	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:38:00 - [46] No Aneo, im sore cause i paid alot in taxes and hes benefitting from my work. Pluss, everyone likes shooting a known S-Bag eh?
Gizzler Red Star Technologies	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:43:00 - [47] BRUCE is dead, why wont you not just let it go? You are shaming your self by bringing out all this dirty laundry and fail to give out any prof. Take a deep breath and let it go now. Everybody looked out for them self when things went downhill. Nothing special in that, thats how things work. Stop staying behind and start looking forward. We all lost assets. Leadership took the most... thats the fact.
Aneu Angellus Revival.	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:47:00 - [48] Originally by: Sorrowed No Aneo, im sore cause i paid alot in taxes and hes benefitting from my work. Pluss, everyone likes shooting a known S-Bag eh? So where is the proof, its one thing to accuse someone of something, its another to actually prove he did it, bring proof or scuttle back under your rock! ________________
Marcus Malos Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:48:00 - [49] Originally by: Sorrowed When you are most comfortable, we will come. I certainly hope your noobs squeel well My "newbs" were on average killing 3-4bn a week and loosing a few hundred mill, and what did we get for it? Oh you shouldn't fly hacs/recons/hics, fly our MK3's they are the win! So I'm really not that bothered, as for theft, justification or spin, I've only bothered to pick apart statements that are entirely falicious.
Marcus Malos Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:49:00 - [50] Originally by: Sorrowed No Aneo, im sore cause i paid alot in taxes and hes benefitting from my work. Pluss, everyone likes shooting a known S-Bag eh? Didn't you run for the hills when FOOM left ;).
dr34dd Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:58:00 - [51] Edited by: dr34dd on 24/06/2008 13:00:32 Originally by: Sorrowed I personally could care less what you say and or what type of proof you attempt to post here, those of us in the know have all the proof and documentation needed to justify the outright hunting and systematic butchering of anyone associated with you and or your corp. Kind of makes you wonder why none of it is in this thread then, if those of 'you in the know' have all the proof and documentation needed, why make a thread about it without posting a scrap of "confirm-able proof" (a term coined by Elrick). Originally by: Sorrowed Hey marcus, i have all 2300 posts nicely converted to PDF that were on the reps forum. I will not be posting them or copying anything from them. I rest my case :']. The fact that you (in your head ) don't need assistance to take us down doesn't give you a free pass to post a load of BS without any tangible evidence and sound credible at the same time. The fact that your original response was that you are putting on a public vendetta for allegedly having 3 fuel incidents in 4 months time when running over 40 posses kinda made me chuckle, I'm surprised you actually have time to run contracts with that attitude. As an interested reader who is apperantly 'guilty by association' I'm still waiting on an account of the fuel thing from both sides, some 'confirm-able proof' would be nice actually.
Arkanjuca R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2008.06.24 13:08:00 - [52] Originally by: Sorrowed Goat: i have played with you for years and am haveing trouble believing that what has been posted is true. Me too... -- AF should be like HACs
Kira Pasisson M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.06.24 13:09:00 - [53] Edited by: Kira Pasisson on 24/06/2008 13:09:12 well if this is true, those guys responsible helped destroying an alliance who at least fought unlike many others, which results in me giving bruce much more respect compared to lots of other 00 alliances.... you thieves obviously need to cover ur true impo***** in eve, and maybe somewhere else as well say welcome to the scum of eve, traitors!! finally, all the best to those many brave bruce pilots, it was an honour to fight u guys
dr34dd Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.06.24 13:29:00 - [54] Have you actually read ANYTHING in this thread except for the title and first post Kira? There's another side to this fairytale, while it is very easy and attractive for the military command and others in a key position to blame 2 corps for the downfall of an alliance of thousands (especially if you let go of the need to post any evidence) it doesn't make it correct. Unfortunately with threads like these the first post seems convincing if you skimread it, only when you take a closer look to the original text you actually see how flawed and weak the underlying argumentation really is. ^ <- that's me referring to the posts above made by several people of the eve community that turns this thread into a laughing stock.
xttz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.24 13:53:00 - [55] Originally by: Marcus Malos Originally by: xttz What was his name in PA? origionally Marcus Malos. With the Omen thing I was expecting Killmark...
dr34dd Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.06.24 13:57:00 - [56] Originally by: Anastasia Korenchkin Marcus Malos was a notorious cheat and all-round scumbag in another game I used to play (Planetarion). I guess leopards really don't change their spots. I actually condone that remark btw :P Marcus was probably the biggest cheat in the history of tickbased gaming :'], though that didn't include 'stealing' anything, it involved running multiple accounts which was forbidden in that game (which it's not in eve). That doesn't say much about him in eve though and more specific: it doesn't prove he stole anything from Bruce (or any other corp/alliance for that)
Eltyron North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.24 14:00:00 - [57] Edited by: Eltyron on 24/06/2008 14:00:31 Originally by: dr34dd Nobody likes a hypocrite right I just pointed some out. Here is some more: Originally by: Marcus Malos Oh and how long did those people who you extracted with our corp assets stay? A week or two at most, as soon as stuff got tough they ran off over to other alliances like Pure. Your corp left after the 3rd week that things "got tough" in Fountain. Am I pointing fingers at your corp specifically? Not my intention, I'm just trying to stir the pot. Your corp did a fair amount of killing, which can't be said about other corps represented in this thread. Edit - I fail at quoting properly
dr34dd Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.06.24 14:07:00 - [58] Edited by: dr34dd on 24/06/2008 14:08:53 Originally by: Eltyron Edited by: Eltyron on 24/06/2008 14:00:31 Originally by: dr34dd Nobody likes a hypocrite right I just pointed some out. Marcus hasn't said anything about other corps leaving bruce, he just said that the accusation of being a scumbag was a bit odd coming from someone who left bruce himself therefore not condoning him for leaving bruce but for pointing the finger at someone else when Sorrow is as much at fault as the one he's pointing at, ergo being a hypocrite :-). Originally by: Marcus Malos Oh and how long did those people who you extracted with our corp assets stay? A week or two at most, as soon as stuff got tough they ran off over to other alliances like Pure. Stating that someone wasn't very adept at nicking "the good members" when they left him within weeks doesn't make you a hypocrite either :p - my stance is not that Omen are saints, my stance is that you can not blame us for leaving as we got backstabbed and took losses for the alliance without even getting the courtesy of an attempt at help. This thread and it's unbased accusations of alliance theft is only another confirmation of my idea on Bruce. Drea`D
Eltyron North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.24 14:15:00 - [59] Originally by: dr34dd 'soothing placating misdirecting words' You are more BRUCE than you realize. Marcus making fun of someone for bailing when FOOM left then your corp leaves 1 day after FOOM. Marcus making fun of someone hopping alliances when things got tough, then your corp leaves in roughly the same timeframe as he stated, when things got tough. Am I missing something? I hope so. The teardrop machine is running low.
Marcus Malos Omen Incorporated Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.06.24 14:31:00 - [60] Originally by: Eltyron Originally by: dr34dd 'soothing placating misdirecting words' You are more BRUCE than you realize. Marcus making fun of someone for bailing when FOOM left then your corp leaves 1 day after FOOM. Marcus making fun of someone hopping alliances when things got tough, then your corp leaves in roughly the same timeframe as he stated, when things got tough. Am I missing something? I hope so. The teardrop machine is running low. If you look at the origional quote you'll see a ;) as in a wink, you take this game way to seriously.

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